--- Day changed Sat Jul 19 2008 00:08 < ybit> i've been chowing, yep, and it seems to prefer the uninstalled life 00:08 < ybit> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo/HCLS/Banff2007Demo/HowToMakeOneForYourself 00:09 < kanzure> gahh 00:11 < ybit> didn't see this either? :P 00:12 < ybit> krispy kreme is so evil 00:12 < ybit> why do they have to flash the 'fresh' sign! 00:13 < ybit> it's not fair they are situated three blocks from me 00:14 < ybit> damn them! 01:01 < ybit> ooh, now that's a nice link: http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/kb-sources/ 01:02 < ybit> don't start a flame-war with me kanzure ;) 01:03 < ybit> the files on the page "HowToMakeOneForYourself" should be in the diybio repository 01:03 < ybit> s/on/mentioned 01:04 < ybit> for anyone following the guide, if you get sidetracked here: http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/wiki/main/Main/VOSMake#Package%20Dependencies make sure to hit the back button! your app isn't complete 01:06 < kanzure> your app isn't complete? 01:06 < kanzure> ybit: don't know why that's a flame war 01:06 < kanzure> I agree this should be in the repo 01:06 < kanzure> let me go add it :) 01:07 < ybit> that was just in case you decided to argue, since that's what you do ;P 01:07 < kanzure> :( 01:07 < kanzure> really? 01:07 < ybit> lol 01:07 < ybit> srsly, you've got to stop man 01:08 < ybit> now i'm just messing with you 01:08 < kanzure> stop what ? 01:08 < ybit> i'll quit 01:08 * kanzure is confused 01:08 < kanzure> hm 01:08 < ybit> grrr, if we were talking through SIP or mumble, then you'd understand i'm joking 01:08 < kanzure> I wonder where I put the git repo on the server 01:09 < kanzure> I know where the dot git file is 01:09 < kanzure> but not the folder 01:09 < kanzure> this is .. awkward :) 01:09 < kanzure> I thought it might be http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/biotech/ 01:09 < kanzure> but not so 01:09 < kanzure> maybe it's local 01:09 < kanzure> ooh 01:10 < ybit> heh :) 01:12 < kanzure> "fatal: not a git repository" 01:12 < kanzure> then where the hell is it? 01:12 < kanzure> it's not local, it's not on the server, 01:12 < kanzure> am I missing something? 01:13 < ybit> did you perform an "updatedb","locate "? 01:14 < kanzure> found it :) 01:15 < ybit> sweet 01:15 < kanzure> I ran a git push, it asked me for the information to the latest heybryan.org IP (a good sign), and it says everything is up to date, but http://heybryan.org/gitweb.cgi says the last change was five weeks ago 01:15 < kanzure> that doesn't sound right :) 01:15 < kanzure> (I ran a "git add neuromaps/" first) 01:16 < kanzure> oops 01:16 < kanzure> it was 'git commit' that I wanted 01:17 < kanzure> awesome, it worked 01:17 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/gitweb.cgi?p=biotech.git;a=summary 01:17 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/gitweb.cgi?p=biotech.git;a=tree;f=neuromaps;h=745b72a21840066e233407be49047545c6fc91d3;hb=55593693bc9b06731b2560f8252ec3849858202b 01:18 * kanzure does an awesomedance 01:19 < kanzure> I should throw in some perl while I'm at it 01:20 < kanzure> but I'm embarrased that it doesn't work quite yet 01:20 < kanzure> need to implement VBO 01:23 < ybit> if you see query on your servery for port 8890 that's me 01:25 * ybit was trying to get back to my own server 01:32 -!- Splicer [n=p@h47n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 01:55 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 01:57 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:10 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:25 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:33 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:44 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:45 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:52 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:53 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:56 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:20 < ybit> http://www.utdallas.edu/~kilgard/lectures.htm 05:00 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:05 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:07 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:45 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:46 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:50 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:12 < ybit> kanzure, have you tried 'making one for yourself' 06:13 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9CD8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:13 < ybit> hey jim 06:14 < ybit> as i was saying, it's meant for a mac installation, some of the links are broken, and the directions aren't accurate 06:16 < ybit> so what i might do (when i wake up) is skip most of the details and work with the data 06:27 < ybit> ah, i have it running on me comp now 06:27 < ybit> didn't even have to sleep on this one :) 06:31 < ybit> http://bayimg.com/baJadaABp notice the location bar 06:34 < ybit> it looks nice, but it's still broken 06:51 < ybit> skdb, skos... 06:51 < ybit> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/ 06:51 < ybit> not quite the same 07:26 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:24 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- You're now known as fenn 10:02 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 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quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:07 < jm> is the mailing list still working? 14:08 < jm> i didn't receive anything for a week 14:14 < kanzure> uh 14:14 < kanzure> I just sent out an email yesterday 14:14 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-July/thread.html 14:14 < kanzure> have you received any of those at the bottom? 14:16 < jm> no 14:16 < jm> last one was Vol 9 issue 10 14:17 < kanzure> crap 14:17 < kanzure> I'm working on it 14:17 < jm> but it's possibly my mail provider 14:17 < kanzure> no, it's not 14:17 < kanzure> I'm using smtp-server.austin.rr.com for my relay host 14:17 < kanzure> I need to change this to something else 14:18 < jm> ah ok but my provider sucks anyway 14:56 -!- nsh [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:09 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:20 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@66.112.232.74] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:56 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@66.112.232.74] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:23 < kanzure> Hey all. 16:23 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:23 < kanzure> I'm looking for an SMTP relayhost that will accept outgoing email from heybryan.org. 16:23 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:51 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:53 < ybit> kanzure: perhaps ##networking will know 16:54 < kanzure> http://www.aaai.org/AITopics/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AITopics/Quotations 16:54 < kanzure> I need some ai quotes from games 16:54 < kanzure> I want to add it to the source :) 16:54 < kanzure> this would be so hillarious :-( 17:02 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9CD8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["quit"] 17:15 < kanzure> "I learned-if that is the right word for knowledge which comes in a sudden flash of insight-I was given to understand that She manipulated whole sciences and thought systems as I might string words into a sentence. But her "sentences" were as huge and profound as the utterances of the universe itself She had reached truths and ways of knowing far beyond even the meta-philosophies of the alien Fravashi." 18:06 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9CD8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:22 < ybit> hehe, Phreedom sent me a link that is related to ai quotes: http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html 18:47 < kanzure> Epic fail. Thanks. 18:52 < kanzure> http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/svg/ SVG + CML (chemical markup language) to render structural diagrams. 18:53 < kanzure> though I'm not too hapy about the "XML parsing failed" errors on the page ;-) 18:53 < kanzure> *happy 19:08 < kanzure> ybit: One of those links that you've spoutted out recently was about setting up one of the local SPARQL databases of bioinformatics information, right? 19:09 < kanzure> There was something that I saw a while back on an HPLC server that had something very similar to it and it was probably the same thing. But the amount of storage space required to run one of those things locally looked unreasonable the last time I checked. 19:09 < kanzure> What were your thoughts on that? 19:11 < kanzure> and it might be interesting to correlate some of those '325 million triples' with http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo and http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy/ and then the 'Google Moupse' page 19:11 < ybit> "One of those links that you've spoutted out recently was about setting up one of the local SPARQL databases of bioinformatics information, right?" correct, and i've found out there's a more up-to-date program, along with updated information 19:11 * kanzure is still working on http://heybryan.org/graph.svg but figures he'll get back to work on the brainconqueror.pl script earlier 19:11 < ybit> i'll have to find the link for you 19:11 < kanzure> *script later tonight 19:13 < kanzure> Some of the openvirgle guys wanted to implement a simulator with the graph-easy or graph-demo pages (above) and the SKDB-YAML metadata validator, and honestly I don't know what they expect to simulate, *but* 19:14 < ybit> From what I've seen, the amount of data they are using isn't insurmountable 19:14 < kanzure> but I have been spending some of my recent freetime on http://boswars.org/ - an open source RTS that seems to implement lua scripts for most of its functionality ( http://lua.org/ ) -- so it might be interesting to implement that RTS framework with the same content and see what goes from there 19:14 < kanzure> who's they? 19:14 < ybit> neurocommons 19:14 < kanzure> are we talking about Google Moupse or the informatics database? 19:14 < kanzure> I see. 19:14 < ybit> i was referring to " 19:14 < ybit> TheFreeDictionary Google 19:14 < ybit> ? 19:14 < ybit> Word / Article Starts with Ends with Text 19:15 < ybit> grr 19:15 < kanzure> yeah .. 19:15 < ybit> " But the amount of storage space required to run one of those things locally looked unreasonable the last time I checked." 19:15 < kanzure> yes, I know 19:15 < ybit> okay 19:15 < ybit> (klipper never works right) 19:15 < kanzure> neurocommons isn't exactly HLPC 19:16 < ybit> what is hlpc? 19:16 < kanzure> hold on 19:16 < kanzure> http://hcls.deri.ie/hcls_demo.html 19:16 < kanzure> HCLS 19:16 < ybit> ah 19:16 < kanzure> 'The following queries access a SPARQL endpoint hosted at DERI. The underlying triplestore contains over 325 million RDF triples of biomedical information. The information covers a large array of biomedical knowledge: from basic molecular biology over literature annotation up to anatomy and physiology.' 19:17 < ybit> yeah, i have that open 19:17 < ybit> google has seems to be losing its edge in finding info lately 19:17 < ybit> seemed* 19:18 < kanzure> I want something more tractable to come out of this stuff though. Whether it's the Google Moupse interface + the graphviz-in-the-browser or the real-time strategy simulator/'game', I want something that can either generate testable hypotheses, or otherwise make something _functional_ and useful out of this. 19:18 < kanzure> erm 19:18 < kanzure> the end of that should be "and useful out of this" 19:18 < kanzure> the SNP data set on top of Google Moupse is iffy -- that might work -- and then we need the Google Maps API to come to the rescue with some cross-user tagging and sharing of tags or some such 19:19 < kanzure> that would be somewhat interesting .. could probably correlate that with SNPedia (especially since Dan comes in here every once in a while) 19:19 < kanzure> but it's not optimal 19:20 < kanzure> maybe the fMRIds website - the one that gives out free MRI data sets -- could be used for real-time 3D reconstruction of the brain -- but then what value do you get out of genetic mutation information or regions of the brain? 19:20 < kanzure> Supposedly you could see what the behavior study was doing, like "making people count to five" and so we could associate that with the genes with the heaviest expression in those areas, *maybe*. 19:20 < kanzure> That's technically not a good way to make those sorts of assumptions. 19:21 < kanzure> The high genetic expression could be due to other factors of course, like maybe that's just the structural basis and not anything to do with real time metabolism-related gene expression and so on, 19:21 < kanzure> but it's certainly a start, and definitely a better start when we know the MRI data sets are from patients with well-established psycho-abnormalities 19:22 < kanzure> so if it's a structural MRI study of somebody with a well-established psycho-abnormality, investigating a structure of the brain known to be related to the disease or whatever, then that might be useful for 3D reconstruction, tagging, and the brainconqueror.pl script 19:22 < kanzure> other than that, I'm drawing blanks. 19:24 < kanzure> coding up the underlying framework to BlueBuilder or whatever ti is that Markram's team has, would be a good start, since it would let others drop in simulation elements from YAML metadata and SKDB packages ;-) 19:24 < kanzure> it won't be as fancy or interesting as seeing visuals 19:24 < kanzure> especially since the algorithms are supposedly computationally intensive 19:24 < kanzure> and also since I'm not too interested in brain simulation at this point. 19:28 < ybit> sounds good to me 19:28 * ybit goes to look for the link mentioned earlier 19:29 < kanzure> from a user-perspective the functionality can be (1) neurotagging their own issues on the site, (2) MRI data sets studies and 3D reconstruction, whatever, (3) real time streaming server software for neurofeedback of the sort that OpenEEG got into (and that open-rtms needs to get into) 19:30 < kanzure> from the long-term perspective, I think I'll assume (1) DNA synthesizer/synthesis, and (2) neural tissue cultures, then exploring the genetic basis of grammatically/taxonomically interesting 'psychological diseases' from the neurotagging database, automatically, in a lab somewhere 19:30 < kanzure> so the DNA synthesizer will make a mutated gene, splice it in, grow a tissue culture, play around with stimulation schedules with the neural tissue and that batch, and see what the differences are 19:31 < kanzure> and that's basically leading up to the brain farm 19:31 -!- Splicer [n=p@h215n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:37 < ybit> Finding the link could take a week, hopefully less 19:43 < ybit> i talked to a couple guys from neurocommons earlier and one said a new installer will be unveiled in a few weeks, and the other told me its already to be installed 19:43 < ybit> so it might take awhile to get a clear answer 19:43 < ybit> i went ahead and checked out the repository found here: http://svn.neurocommons.org/svn/trunk/ 19:47 < kanzure> what is it that it is being installed ? 19:50 < kanzure> http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/kb-sources/ ? 19:58 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:01 < ybit> i think it's the same program from last night, updated 20:01 < ybit> err, the Banff demo updated (to be clearer) 20:04 < ybit> kanzure ^ 20:05 < kanzure> I see. 20:05 < ybit> not sure if writing your name helps, but it does for me since it flashes my sys tray 20:06 < ybit> i remembered that a second screen was helpful on a few occasions, but i'm having difficulties getting this outdated graphics card to work properly in xinerama mode 20:08 < kanzure> it does help 20:09 < kanzure> I saw it, but I kind of phased out and I don't know what I'm doing right now 20:09 -!- nsh [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:25 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36 < ybit> found out the new program is in beta, waiting to get receive access to it now 20:37 < ybit> i'll forward you a copy of the conversation 20:37 < ybit> There you go 20:43 * kanzure will get to it 'eventually' 20:43 < kanzure> Maker Faire or Austin Space Exploration? 20:47 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9CD8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:04 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:17 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:18 < ybit> which one has streaming video? :) 21:29 < ybit> kanzure, if you like rts games, you may like spring 21:39 < kanzure> ybit: linkage? 21:41 < ybit> not yet 21:42 < ybit> still waiting for a response back 21:46 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 21:47 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:56 < ybit> kanzure: 21:56 < ybit> kanzure: 21:56 < ybit> do you 21:56 < ybit> have skype? 21:56 < ybit> will you get on now? 21:57 < ybit> please? 21:57 < ybit> kanzure_ 22:02 < kanzure> I am on. 22:02 < kanzure> in fact, I've been on 22:02 < ybit> aisrev is my screenname 22:02 < ybit> what's yours? 22:03 < kanzure> kanzure