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00:59 < kanzure> how does one fix the internal to external output translation layer 
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02:35 < Endos> so i've got a general question 
02:36 < kanzure> yeah?
02:36 < Endos> if anyone here really wanted to learn something that would take about a month to do, would they work day in and day out for the most part to get it done sooner if time isn't permitting of a month? 
02:36 < kanzure> context?
02:36 < Endos> calculus 3 
02:36 < Endos> a self-study 
02:37 < Endos> i've already done the first two chapters 
02:37 < Endos> there's like 4 more left 
02:37 < kanzure> Is this multivariate calculus?
02:37 < Endos> probably won't even take 20 days 
02:37 < Endos> yup 
02:37 < Endos> multivariable 
02:37 < kanzure> multivariable. Oops.
02:38 < Endos> mainly i need to know a few specific concepts introduced in it, but that's pretty much the extent of it, and the last chapter is helpful too.... 2nd order diff EQs 
02:38 < Endos> although the title sounds implicit for methods of the solution lol 
02:40 < Endos> do you think i should pull an all nighter? 
02:42 < kanzure> I don't know :)
02:43 < Endos> lol 
02:44 < Endos> well i had a pain in my chest earlier... and i would rather not die, so i'll get some sleep, but wake up early and do my work (god if I had a nickle for all the times I've told myself I'll do that... I'd have a dollar) 
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02:44 < Endos> nickel* 
02:45 < Endos> lol 
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03:30 < kanzure> fenn: I have a few spare moments and I was figuring I'd finally get around to improving my autogoogler scripts (which I have technically lost, but am not worrying about that). 
03:30 < kanzure> so what I have is an idea to wire up wordnet with synonyms and then generate a few extra queries or something
03:30 < kanzure> because I always seem to permutate through a few related terms when I search for some stuff
03:31 < fenn> doesn't google do synonyms automatically? (to my chagrin, usually)
03:31 < kanzure> I'm thinking of just doing either an opera/firefox session generator or maybe just kdcop to have it pull the strings of konqueror directly
03:31 < kanzure> doesn't feel like it some times.
03:31 < kanzure> hm
03:31 < kanzure> well the other part of the idea is to keep track of the searches in my current session at the same time as well
03:31 < fenn> can you do queries with logical OR?
03:31 < kanzure> yeah
03:32 < fenn> hmm i guess asking for regex would be too much :)
03:32 < kanzure> on Google?
03:32 < kanzure> heh
03:32 < fenn> supposedly it works with "google code" but i cant find anything with that
03:32 < kanzure> heh
03:33 < fenn> seriously though this OR AND NOT stuff is just a lame-ass regex
03:34 < kanzure> right
03:34 < kanzure> what's your point?
03:34 < kanzure> sorry, my io filters are seriously down
03:34 < fenn> why do you want to have a script to substitute synonyms for you?
03:35 < kanzure> oh, wait
03:35 < kanzure> what about just visualizing the synonym graph 
03:35 < kanzure> and then selecting which to use to use as queries
03:35 < kanzure> would your question still apply?
03:35 < fenn> like googlefight?
03:35 < kanzure> well, not each sent as queried because then google hates us
03:35 < fenn> uh, what would you be graphing then?
03:36 < kanzure> the relation between the words making up your general grammatical search space
03:36 < kanzure> uh, is that a bullshit answer?
03:36 < kanzure> like here's a search: programming extropy emergence magic, okay and there's a number of related words that could be used to construct an alternative query
03:37 < kanzure> and if I have those words flashing up then it could conceivably help to find alternative ways of wording the search or some sort
03:37 < kanzure> a "query mutator" of sorts
03:37 < fenn> there's n^4 possible combo's right?
03:37 < kanzure> n=?
03:37 < fenn> the number of synonyms for each word
03:37 < kanzure> 4 = count(words_in_original_query)
03:38 < kanzure> hm, yes, I suppose so
03:38 < kanzure> but not all of them need to be displayed necessarily
03:38 < fenn> just the closest match
03:38 < fenn> but.. that depends on context, which the computer can't really infer (or can it?)
03:38 < kanzure> me doesn't know if wordnet has that sort of information but at the same time that's ok for first approximation/prototypes
03:39 < fenn> does extropy have any synonyms?
03:39 < kanzure> prognostication
03:39 < kanzure> according to wordnet
03:39 < kanzure> forecasting
03:39 < kanzure> hm.
03:40 < fenn> uh, how does wordnet work exactly?
03:40 < kanzure> it's an external database of words methinks
03:40 < kanzure> don't know
03:40 < kanzure> is there something better for dictionary tools?
03:44 < fenn> hmm.. urbandictionary.com?
03:44 < kanzure> has an api?
03:45 < fenn> no
03:45 < fenn> i just started thinking about the futility of having a "complete" dictionary
03:45 < fenn> and what subset of existant words you might be able to cover
03:46 < kanzure> blargh, I don't have a good idea for my autogoogler interface
03:46 < fenn> another problem is that each word has many meanings
03:46 < kanzure> general searching problem anyway
03:51 < kanzure> right?
03:52 < fenn> sounds more like NLP to me
03:52 < fenn> natural language processing
04:06 < kanzure> I don't want to go too deep into linguistics
04:11 < kanzure> I guess there's little benefit to extract, I don't recursively/iteratively google any more 
04:11 < kanzure> or as much as I should..