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12:58 < ybit> so what'd i miss from the past two days?
12:59  * nsh invented flavoured sound
12:59 < nsh> they repeated the 12th and 14th centuries in bratislava
12:59 < nsh> and the new SI standard measurement of weight is THE MOON
13:00  * nsh weights 4.325 * 10e-54 moons
13:00 < nsh> *weighs
13:00 < nsh> AND NOW YOU'RE UP TO DATE
13:46 < ybit> nsh: :P
13:51 < kanzure> hm
13:52 < kanzure> So the cafeteria has the olympics on the television, particularly the weight lifting division
13:52 < kanzure> and there's this 17 year old Chinese kid lifting world records etc.
13:53 < kanzure> heh, here's something funny
13:54 < kanzure> when I'm not "in the mode" and feeling myself, there's this big, glaring hole in the majority of my projects that I wish I could solve
13:54 < kanzure> when I *am* "in the mode", it totally escapes me and all of the thoughts appear complete
13:54 < nsh> s/mode/zone/
13:55 < nsh> on that front, how go the projects, kanz?
13:55 < kanzure> in generla?
13:55 < kanzure> *general?
13:57 < nsh> whichever
13:57 < kanzure> hm
13:57 < kanzure> nothing's really changed actually
13:58 < kanzure> which is probably worrisome :-)
13:59  * nsh smiles
13:59 < kanzure> I hate it when a month evaporates away from me
13:59 < kanzure> if you check the site you'll see I didn't throw anything up in the past month
13:59 < kanzure> although I guess I could throw up a few of the scripts I was working on for http://scattershotfuture.com/ and http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Q1.1 and http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Q1.2
14:00 < kanzure> although it's rather pathetic the way that the project was being gone about :-/
14:00 < nsh> one should judge oneself lightly and compassionately
14:03 < kanzure> nah, the issue is that I'm deeply confused in some way
14:03 < kanzure> but again, I seem to forget it when I'm most able to solve it
14:04 < nsh> ok, well
14:04 < nsh> he's a strategy:
14:04 < nsh> *here
14:05 < nsh> video yourself for a month, annotating whenever you feel the periods of clarity
14:05 < nsh> from this data, determine a facial or bodily micro-gesture ("tell", in poker terms), that indicates the onset of the phase
14:06 < nsh> build a device to monitor for this tell and alert you to pending tasks 
14:06 < nsh> 4. PROFIT?!
14:21 < kanzure> eh
14:21 < kanzure> pending tasks
14:22 < kanzure> in the last two days of my stay with my gracious hosts I revealed to a few of them my previous involvement in a cult of goals and how I came to realize that goals aren't teh bestest
14:22 < kanzure> this, of course, comes to a shock to them, as they work on 'friendly ai' and 'supergoal theorems of intelligence and selfhood' and such.
14:22 < kanzure> but yet I keep reminding them that the majority of their talk about goals is anthrophomorphization and never does your code 'have a goal to solve chess' -- it's a *solution* to the problem of chess, crystalized in code,
14:23 < kanzure> and still no one can point to me a phenomena in the brain that represents a goal itself, indeed because 'goals' is a folk psychology concept
14:23 < kanzure> despite my http://heybryan.org/todo.html that I maintained for many years :-(
14:24 < kanzure> we used to be based in #calxism on freenode until the others stopped caring
14:24 < kanzure> http://google.com/search?q=calxism
14:24 < kanzure> http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/495578/496594
14:25 < kanzure> it was mostly to answer the question "what should I do?" 
14:25 < kanzure> and it boiled down to some Pascalean arguments without religious connotations and such
14:32  * nsh nonspecifically agrees with 92.5% of the above
14:32 < kanzure> heh
14:32 < kanzure> nonspecifically mostly because I haven't explained the specifics :-)
14:32 < nsh> also, points for "Pascalean arguments"
14:32 < nsh> indeed
14:32 < nsh> specificity is over-rated
14:32 < kanzure> I even have my conversionlog
14:32 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/chats/chats/agaboogamonger_Mar5th02005.html
14:32 < kanzure> remember, back when I was 15 I wasn't all too bright
14:33 < kanzure> we had many different projects going - we were going to bootstrap a civilization off in a Chilean desert for about $10 million
14:33 < kanzure> anyway, that should be a topic for another time - I should focus on getting something else done at the moment :-)
14:33  * nsh smiles
14:34 < nsh> the discreteness of temporal moments is also overrated
14:35 < kanzure> gah, I can't help it
14:35 < kanzure> okay, so the basic idea was that you could ask the question 'wtf should I do?' and then you have a few possible answers like (1) do nothing (nihilism, sort of), (2) do something. And then of all of the possible things to do in #2, why do anything in particular ?
14:36 < kanzure> the 'calxist answer' was simply to do everything, especially those things that expanded the set of available goals
14:36 < kanzure> so it was entropy maximization through proactive awesomeness or something
14:36 < kanzure> except terribly argued ...
14:41 < kanzure> hm, 330 meeting w/ the mores
14:44  * nsh chuckles
14:44 < kanzure> http://store.doverpublications.com/0486417670.html "Bergson argues for free will by showing that the arguments against it come from a confusion of different conceptions of time. As opposed to physicists' idea of measurable time, life is perceived in human experience as a continuous and immeasurable flow rather than as a succession of marked-off states of consciousness."
14:44 < kanzure> (from Natasha's ear)
14:44 < kanzure> erm, mouth I guess
14:44 < kanzure> and then to my ear
14:44 < kanzure> but anyway
14:45 < nsh> interesting line of argumentation
14:46 < kanzure> I always like the line for free will where we point out that the only way to predict the future is by inventing it, the universe already has the maximum information for making up the next state (and we can only come up with a portion of that if we wanted to), 
14:47 < kanzure> and therefore your physical process still has a role to play in the unfolding of the story/universe 
14:47 < kanzure> anyway, I really dislike the descrepancy between 'recursive publics'  (skdb) and 'personal augmentation projects' (autoscholar, autogoogler, artifiical attention augmentation systems)
14:48 < kanzure> originally I was using http://heybryan.org/recursion.html to use 'personal recursion' and one's functionality as an excuse to get self-replication, but this framework isn't all that thorough of an argument
14:50  * nsh distracted but will read in a bit
14:50 < nsh> (brain can't work atm)
14:51 < kanzure> heh