--- Day changed Thu Aug 14 2008
01:07 < bkero> kanzure: Have you ever watched Regenesis?
01:07 < kanzure> No. Link?
01:07 < kanzure> The TV show?
01:07 < bkero> Yes
01:08 < bkero> I ahve some up, not the first episode though
01:08 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReGenesis
01:08 < bkero> https://65.111.186.55/data
01:08 < bkero> That
01:08 < bkero> yes
01:18 < kanzure> It would be neat if I could take away my thinking license when I know I'm incapable of generally doing it ... I think I spent the last hour trying to reconstruct a thought that would otherwise only take me a minute. And as soon as I touch the keys to record it, it escapes me again. Bah.
01:57 < bkero> Haha
02:01 < procto> bkero: last season of regenesis was so horrible
02:01 < bkero> procto: Yea. :(  I really hope they bring it back for another season though.
02:02 < bkero> Because bad regenesis > no regenesis
02:13 < biopunk> Cute that the guys name is David Sandstrom with dots over the o
02:16 < bkero> indeed
02:16 < bkero> Episodes 3-12 are available forom https://65.111.186.55/data
02:19 < fenn> well this is starting to get old.. second person living at my house to have a schizophrenic episode in two months
02:19 < bkero> Damn sir, you need to find some new roommates
02:20 < biopunk> have you seen Army of 12 monkeys... maybe it's you
02:21 < bkero> procto: It wasn't so horrible.  I mean the cloning bob thing is kind of meh, but the seasno started out OK.  It was just the ending that was completely wtfwtfwtf
02:21 < fenn> bkero: those _were_ the new roomates
02:22 < bkero> ew
02:22 < bkero> fenn: Stop living with college students
02:22 < fenn> they werent students
02:22 < fenn> i dont think it's me, actually i think its a side effect of the mind control beams the CIA is beaming at my skull from cell phone towers around the house
02:23 < bkero> You need to stop living with crazies heh
02:23 < biopunk> fenn: hehe
02:24 < fenn> kanzure: true names is kinda dated, we're basically living it right now: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Vernor Vinge - True Names.pdf
02:24 < fenn> (i havent read it btw)
02:25 < bkero> Fucking <3 Vernor Vinge
02:27 < kanzure> I have a Vinge number of 2 now \o/
02:27 < kanzure> I seem to have a lot of so-and-so numbers of 2, actually.
02:27 < kanzure> Kind of defeats the purpose if you never get a number-of-1.
02:28 < kanzure> bkero: You wouldn't happen to know how to profit off of laziness, would you?
02:29 < fenn> erdos is dead; long live erdos!
02:30 < bkero> kanzure: capital
02:31 < kanzure> bkero: what the hell does that mean
02:31 < fenn> some famous CS guru (wall?) claims the programmer's primary virtue is laziness
02:31 < bkero> kanzure: If you have enough money you can live on interest
02:31 < bkero> fenn: That would make sense, he did make python
02:31 < bkero> er
02:31 < bkero> perl
02:31 < bkero> perl
02:31 < bkero> perl
02:31 < fenn> and look where it got him..
02:31 < kanzure> You sir, fail at the internet.
02:32 < fenn> kanzure: you could make an air-hockey floor covering, for fatasses to glide along silently in the night
02:32 < bkero> trying to play portal on my macbook...
02:32 < bkero> fenn: I believe that's called a datacenter
02:33 < kanzure> I doubt ideas are the problem in here
02:33 < bkero> kanzure: You can be a spammer, that's pretty lazy
02:33 < bkero> And assuming the russian mafia doesn't come after you, relative painless
02:34 < fenn> seems like it would be easier to just set up a real business
02:34 < kanzure> I don't like the idea of having to prove to other people that I should get food (aka whatever the result of running a business is supposed to be)
02:34 < kanzure> seems like a silly idea
02:35 < bkero> Just form a whuffie economy, that should cover it
02:35 < biopunk> A lot of people who make fortunes do it cause it's to painful for them to work
02:35 < kanzure> masochists?
02:35 < biopunk> trading time for money is masochism
02:35 < fenn> i feel like this whole 'profit off laziness' is part of a conversation i missed
02:36 < kanzure> fenn: continuation of bootstrapping issues
02:36 < biopunk> 'get more money by doing less'
02:36 < kanzure> biopunk: stfu about money
02:36 < biopunk> leverage
02:36 < bkero> biopunk: that's referred to as management
02:36 < fenn> "maximize the energy ratio"
02:37  * bkero is getting a bachelors in CS, bioinformatics, and a masters in business administration
02:37 < fenn> at the same time?
02:37 < fenn> say.. is MBA really a masters degree?
02:37 < kanzure> fenn: I'm going for manufacturing engineering + comp neurosci at the same time. So why not?
02:37 < kanzure> hm
02:38 < kanzure> they definitely claim MBA = MS
02:38 < biopunk> ..the science of finance
02:38 < bkero> When it's from the university of chicago, it is.
02:38 < kanzure> science?
02:38  * kanzure laughs
02:39 < bkero> MBA is a masters in arts, becaues bullshitting == art
02:39 < biopunk> CS had the same problem btw
02:39 < fenn> so.. is there anything out there that isn't bullshit?
02:39 < kanzure> what problem?
02:39 < bkero> Computer Science is part of the engineering college at my school.
02:39 < biopunk> the MS thing
02:40 < fenn> i'm having trouble figuring out what to do
02:40 < biopunk> MSc
02:40 < kanzure> fenn: do you mean "do for money" or just "do do"? 
02:40 < fenn> well, both
02:40 < kanzure> I'm trying to figure out how to make "do do" work without the "do for money" 
02:40 < fenn> i'm running out of my stockpiled bars of gold.. so
02:40 < kanzure> I just want a fablab
02:40 < kanzure> and some food in it
02:41 < fenn> what would you do with a fablab? (assuming this means laser cutter, water cutter, milling machine, etc)
02:41 < kanzure> stuff
02:41 < kanzure> see, that's where laziness comes in
02:41 < kanzure> I don't want to do a business since I won't want to actually do the 'work' or whatever it is that is considered 'work'
02:41 < kanzure> I'd rather be doing my own other projects
02:41 < biopunk> (I would make guns I think)
02:42 < kanzure> sure, weapons would be worth exploring
02:42 < fenn> i think the point of 'running a business' is that other people do the work
02:42 < kanzure> but but 
02:42 < kanzure> so with a fablab, I'd get to be lazy in some productive manner
02:42 < kanzure> but that would only be apparent really only to me it seems
02:42 < kanzure> I mean, anybody who tinkers and such only sees the value of their tinkerings as first
02:42 < kanzure> that's why it's called, uh, tinkering
02:43 < kanzure> I guess I just need funding until I can get my hydrogen harvestors online :p
02:43 < fenn> hmm your windchimes?
02:43 < kanzure> (also until I hit a hydrogen cloud)
02:43 < fenn> i dont think it's gonna happen
02:44 < kanzure> the funding?
02:44 < fenn> producing useful quantities of energy with parasitic generators
02:44 < kanzure> wait, are we on the same wavelength here?
02:44 < fenn> probably not
02:44 < kanzure> suppose we have our 5 cubic ly hydrogen molecular cloud
02:44 < kanzure> insert giant bulldozer
02:44 < kanzure> pacman action
02:45 < fenn> wah? why not just get it from a star?
02:45 < kanzure> those things are hot
02:45 < fenn> or a jupiter planet
02:45 < kanzure> what do you have in mind?
02:45 < fenn> well, the core of many giant exoplanets is metallic hydrogen, seems easier than flying around in circles for eons
02:45 < fenn> but anyway, whats the point of gathering interstellar hydrogen
02:45 < fenn> or any hydrogen for that matter
02:46 < kanzure> silly dreams of transmutation of the elemnets
02:46 < kanzure> *elements
02:46 < biopunk> this is the 'build societies on Mars' dream?
02:46 < kanzure> into the ingredients necessary for life or whatever other materials would be necessary
02:46 < kanzure> what?
02:47 < kanzure> no
02:47 < fenn> biopunk: this is "build giant moonbrains in orbit around each other after eating the entire solar system"
02:47 < biopunk> I've missed to much of the discussion I think
02:47 < kanzure> fenn: is it?
02:47 < fenn> sounds like it
02:47 < kanzure> this is "find a way to make lazy work"
02:47 < fenn> you need.. a business plan
02:47 < kanzure> I guess calling it lazy is the wrong way to say it
02:48 < fenn> waiting until someone gives you 99 exadollars is not a business plan
02:48 < kanzure> correct
02:48 < kanzure> theoretically this can be done for zero
02:48 < kanzure> since money is just a societal layer app
02:48 < fenn> you have to start with some credit to use zero dollars (money is credit anyway)
02:48 < kanzure> what?
02:48 < fenn> credit can be whuffie or the more traditional banking kind
02:49 < fenn> like getting a loan
02:50 < kanzure> Steve has it pretty good
02:50 < kanzure> he doesn't have to concern himself with this
02:50 < fenn> why not?
02:50 < kanzure> somebody pledged herself to taking care of him
02:50 < kanzure> caretaker
02:50 < kanzure> he says she has "humanity points"
02:50 < fenn> i doubt she can fund his stellaforming projects
02:50 < kanzure> she can barely fund herself
02:51 < fenn> ok, so its just redundancy
02:51 < kanzure> ?
02:52 < kanzure> you know, it actually shouldn't be this hard
02:52 < kanzure> suppose you take a quick dive into the traditional agricultural lifestyle
02:53 < kanzure> making the machines (openfarmtech, our buddies) to automate that isn't terribly hard, as long as you have those materials laying around or something
02:53 < kanzure> but to begin with you can herd your own cattle and such
02:53 < kanzure> so that problem is solved
02:53 < kanzure> so until you do in vitro meat you'll have a bit more on your plate of course
02:54 < kanzure> don't know what to do about metals though. .. cargo ship taking part of a junkyard or something?
02:54 < fenn> you're demonstrating a systematic error in common sense
02:55 < fenn> if it were so easy, why dont we have any automated agriculture yet?
02:55 < fenn> and robotics research is expensive, so why start with a low yield research area like agriculture?
02:56 < biopunk> I love the way you guys jump from 'no money' to terra forming
02:56 < kanzure> well, I was thinking of the problem of how to get food
02:56 < kanzure> biopunk: "no money" wasn't the problem though ...
02:57 < fenn> kanzure: food is easy in america, there's dumpsters full of it behind every grocery store
02:57 < kanzure> it's obtaining enough resources to get the cascading snowball effect
02:57 < biopunk> trust me... spend to much time thinking about this and money will be
02:57 < kanzure> fenn: yeah, but then you have to have a local fablab or something
02:57 < kanzure> which means land cost thingy
02:57 < fenn> land is negotiable for whuffie
02:57 < fenn> it's not like they were using it anyway
02:58 < kanzure> in a city?
02:58 < fenn> if not in the city, then definitely in the country around the city
02:58 < kanzure> presumably where those dumpsters are 
02:59 < fenn> i dont really see the need to be in a city though, except for publicity/community exposure
02:59 < fenn> its not like you have massive shipments and need to be near docks or trains
03:00 < fenn> eric hunting is always talking about how figuring out alternative lifestyles in inner cities is the future of hippie movements
03:00 < fenn> but honestly it's harder than it sounds
03:01 < fenn> there are so many stupid people in cities, at least in the country you can build a little island of sanity
03:02 < fenn> at least until the cia starts shooting mind control beams at you
03:05 < biopunk> With cults the problem is more often FBI I think
03:06 < fenn> i wasn't talking about cults, just lack of stupid people
03:07 < biopunk> I'm sure your cult is special
03:07 < kanzure> wtf?
03:07 < kanzure> what cult?
03:07 < biopunk> It's sounds a bit cultish dont you think?
03:08 < kanzure> money worship?
03:08 < biopunk> common
03:08 < kanzure> ?
03:08 < biopunk> moving out on a piece of land and forming an own society to get away from the stupid people?
03:08 < kanzure> sigh
03:09 < kanzure> that's not really the point
03:09 < biopunk> what is the point?
03:10 < kanzure> bootstrapping/groundedness -- i.e., need to obtain/find resources within our lifetimes so that we can actually get the projects we're interested in, done/going/rolling
03:10 < kanzure> by 'piece of land' that could just as easily mean 'fablab'
03:11 < kanzure> even your 'business', Mr. Capitalist, would require some 'land' or address space or something
03:11 < fenn> fablab is sorta undefined (unless you mean the specific project started at MIT)
03:11 < kanzure> oh
03:11 < kanzure> fablab = building + fabrication tech + lab stuff
03:11 < fenn> yeah but what if you want a nuclear submarine, can you make that in a fablab?
03:11 < kanzure> what other possible definitions could be used?
03:11 < fenn> or a space shuttle
03:11 < kanzure> why not?
03:12 < kanzure> go make the equipment / go get the materials
03:12 < fenn> um, space pier? is that fablab territory still?
03:12 < kanzure> hm?
03:12 < fenn> i'm just wondering at what point it stops being a fablab
03:12 < kanzure> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-space-pier.htm
03:12 < fenn> because in my mind fablab is like something you stick in a basement
03:13 < fenn> not something used to make megascale engineering projects
03:13 < kanzure> hm
03:13 < kanzure> I think you should certainly be able to make some of the engines required for the machines that you'd need to build it or something
03:13 < kanzure> but obviously you don't have the whole planet inside your basement
04:05 < ybit> anyone know where to find "Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments" for free?
04:05 < ybit> *on the net
04:10 < kanzure> yawn
04:10 < kanzure> that's easy
04:11 < kanzure> woah
04:11 < kanzure> apparently not
04:11 < kanzure> I thought I had it
04:32  * ybit cross-posts
04:32 < kanzure> heh
05:16 < kanzure> it occurs to me that just whispering 'bootstrapping' over and over again doesn't actually mean anything
05:16 < kanzure> it's not a bootstrapping problem. that's only for the design compiler really. Everything else is a "please think of us when you have some material that we'd find useful" problem.
05:50 < kanzure> wtf, AutoDesk is responsible for Maya ?
05:53 < bkero> kanzure: Do you think the bootstrap will begin with debian?
05:53 < bkero> debootstrap?
05:53 < kanzure> Hm?
05:53 < kanzure> apt-get needs to expand to more than just software
05:53 < kanzure> apt-get me a coke
05:53 < kanzure> (seriously)
05:53 < kanzure> (though maybe not a coke)
05:55 < bkero> I think that that functionaality won't get into apt-get, but is probably already implemented in aptitude
05:57 < kanzure> bkero: we have our own version in here with 'agx-get'
05:57 < kanzure> re: http://heybryan.org/exp.html sort of
05:57 < kanzure> I should rename that file to suck.html because of how poorly I write.
05:57 < bkero> lolmspaint
05:58 < kanzure> dia, actually
06:30 < fenn> dia svg export is busted
06:30 < fenn> otherwise it would look better
16:32 < fenn> every project should have one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan
18:24 < kanzure> aren't those the OStans?
18:24 < bkero> Yea
18:24 < bkero> But Wikipe isn't an OS
18:24 < kanzure> Bah!
18:24 < kanzure> Tell that to the web 2.0 people
18:24 < bkero> I will
18:24 < kanzure> (please)
18:24 < bkero> I fucking hate those idiots.
18:25  * bkero is a jaded internet 1.0 veteran.
18:26 < kanzure> back in my day, we flipped bits by extinguishing the bonfire
18:32 < bkero> xkcd butterflies
18:34 < kanzure> bah, my version doesn't require an hdd
19:18 < kanzure> hm, somebody @ieee.org emailed me to offer a ride to the robotgroup meets
19:57 < kanzure> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/homestead/2004-August/thread.html
20:19 < bkero> Robots
20:23 < kanzure> Hm?
20:24 < kanzure> ooh
20:24 < kanzure> they call it 'procurement'
20:24 < kanzure> http://www.purchasing.com/index.asp?
20:25 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procurement
20:25 < kanzure> 'codestiny' heh
20:27 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_sourcing
20:28 < kanzure> what are these 'supplier databases' that they mention?
20:28 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNSPSC
20:28 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAICS
20:28 < kanzure> Hm.
20:31 < kanzure> I wonder if this is RDFed ?
20:53 < bkero> Procurement is just a lot of companies term for buying shit.
20:55 < kanzure> of course
20:56 < kanzure> but it has led me to some interesting sources
20:56 < kanzure> http://sap.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/sap-log-pp/sap-repetitive-manufacturing-procurement-type-x-2255678
20:56 < kanzure> http://www.globalsources.com/
20:56 < kanzure> http://www.alibaba.com/
20:56 < bkero> http://www.unitednuclear.com
20:56 < kanzure> http://www.sourcejuice.com/
20:56 < kanzure> Heh.
20:56 < bkero> I order stuff from alibaba a lot.
20:56 < kanzure> oh?
20:57 < bkero> Yea
20:57 < bkero> It's where people get the cheap shit they sell on ebay
20:57 < bkero> only it's CHEAPER!
20:59 < kanzure> I'm pretty clueless as to how these people run across these materials themselves in the first place.
20:59 < kanzure> I'm /fairly/ certain it's mostly brownian.
21:05 < kanzure> bkero: Where else do you order from?
21:06 < kanzure> Have you ever seen the ridiculously high prices of Sigma Aldrich ?
21:09  * kanzure had to fix his logger
21:09 < kanzure> ps --no-heading -C xmms | awk '{print $1}' | [[ $? -eq 0 ]] && ctrlxmms info >> /home/bryan/xmms_playlist_2008-08-13.txt
21:09 < kanzure> although if I was more manly I'd go edit the xmms codebase
21:10 < kanzure> Don't know why it doesn't log my playlist automatically :-)
21:14 < willPow3r> xmms2
21:14 < willPow3r> sucks
21:15 < kanzure> hm?
21:15 < kanzure> why's that?
21:15 < willPow3r> they took away the frontend
21:16 < kanzure> wtf?
21:16  * kanzure thought he had xmms2 installed and it looks fairly normal
21:16 < kanzure> maybe I don't.
21:16 < willPow3r> which front end are you using?
21:16 < kanzure> default installation
21:17 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/May26th02005_2.png
21:18 < willPow3r> http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_use_XMMS2.3F
21:18 < willPow3r> thats not xmms2
21:19 < kanzure> maybe I'm behind because of the debian repos
21:19 < willPow3r> perhaps. ubuntu doesn't offer regular xmms anymore
21:20 < kanzure> how are they doing media players then?
21:20 < kanzure> ubuntu is ridiculously popular
21:20 < kanzure> so they must have something
21:22 < willPow3r> they're all 3rd party clients
21:22 < willPow3r> xmms dev are now only supporting the backend
21:22 < willPow3r> i used to use slackware a few years ago
21:23 < willPow3r> but decided i didn't have time for all the word required to keep it up to date
21:23 < willPow3r> and ubuntu is impressive
21:23 < willPow3r> word == work
21:23 < kanzure> slackware was my first as well
21:23 < willPow3r> its the best to learn on
21:24 < kanzure> I kind of assumed all of that 'work' was normal (and it was, of course)
21:25 < kanzure> hm, how does one go about convincing wine that the service packs are installed?
21:26 < willPow3r> regedit
21:29 < willPow3r> ubuntu uses amarok
21:29 < willPow3r> which i find far superior
21:30 < willPow3r> to anything else
21:31 < elias`> amarok dies when you have >10,000 songs or so
21:31 < kanzure> bwahah
21:31  * kanzure looks at his 130 GB collection
21:31 < willPow3r> i have 18556 songs
21:31 < willPow3r> and amarok runs fine
21:31 < kanzure> (labmusic)
21:31 < elias`> well, it has died for me several times in the past.
21:32 < willPow3r> just use the mysql database instead of the sqlite
21:32 < elias`> I did
21:32 < elias`> and postgresql
21:32 < willPow3r> i have a very powerful machine too
21:32 < willPow3r> i suppose that helps
21:32 < willPow3r> when was the last time you used it?
21:32 < willPow3r> 2.0 is out now
21:32 < elias`> probably 1-2 years ago
21:33 < elias`> sucks though that it requires X
21:33 < willPow3r> it uses the xine engine
21:33 < elias`> i.e. should have a backend that would run when X goes down
21:33 < willPow3r> so its really just a music organizer mostly
21:39 < kanzure> whether or not you have a powerful machine shouldn't matter
21:40 < willPow3r> it does when searching the collection database
22:03 < bkero> kanzure: I get stuff from alibaba, ebay, japanese ebay, craigslist, and samart
22:04 < kanzure> samart?
22:07 < bkero> somethingawful mart
22:07 < kanzure> heh
22:07 < bkero> indeed
22:07 < bkero> oh and newegg and batteryspace
22:13 < kanzure> a few months ago I was just about to write a spider to search for geospatially local 'junk' that may be of interest
22:13 < kanzure> and then I moved into a dorm and most of my junkspace is now only virtual
22:22 < kanzure> hrm
22:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-08-14_AutoDesk_is_a_hog.png
22:23 < kanzure> "The following wll be installed: <list of all software products ever>"
22:33 < bkero> Freecycle is a mailing list of stuff like that
22:33 < bkero> Wow thats stupid
22:34 < kanzure> yeah, I'm on freecycle
22:34 < bkero> Sweet, got my friends to make elctric bicycles. :)
22:34 < kanzure> hm, it seems to freeze while installing all of those silly packages
22:35  * bkero is not surprised.
22:36 < willPow3r> use qemu
22:36 < willPow3r> with kvm
22:36 < bkero> I'd use xen or kqemu
22:36 < bkero> kqemu=kvm :P
22:36 < willPow3r> kqemu == deprecated
22:36 < bkero> Heh
22:37  * bkero uses xen on his colo to run windows xp for the deluge-torrent project.
22:37 < willPow3r> i use vista in qemu/kvm
22:37 < bkero> None of my computers are fast enough to run vista. :(
22:37 < bkero> Especially to virtualize it on top of another operating system.
22:37 < willPow3r> its actually lighter weight than xp
22:37 < willPow3r> and installs a lot faster
22:37 < bkero> Not sure I believe that
22:38 < bkero> It's > 10GB
22:38 < bkero> The minimum requirements are also 10x what XPs are.
22:38 < bkero> (literally)
22:39 < willPow3r> i must be spoiled then
22:40  * bkero has an 8 core harpertown system with 12GB ram running at 4.25GHz.  It still runs vista like shit.
22:41 < willPow3r> why would you install vista on something like that anyway?
22:42 < willPow3r> its designed for home/corporate use
22:42 < bkero> I wanted to try it out
22:42 < kanzure> bkero: How do you afford this?
22:42 < bkero> It's my desktop
22:42 < bkero> kanzure: I'm interning at intel.  The processors were $150
22:42 < kanzure> I just got a quadcore with 4 GB RAM and it wasn't cheap
22:42 < kanzure> ah
22:42 < kanzure> bastard
22:42 < bkero> q6600s are < $200 how
22:42 < kanzure> isn't that cheating?
22:42 < bkero> No, what's cheating is using my landlords intel discount to get 8-core nehalems
22:42 < bkero> Even ater I leave
22:43 < bkero> The nehalems ahve hyperthreading too, so that's 32 logical cores.  That should be enough for what I have in mind.
22:44 < bkero> I'm making an 8gb ramdisk, and copying rootfs onto it from the initrd, then pivot_rooting onto the ramdisk.  So I'll have about 8GB/sec of disk throughput.
22:44  * kanzure cries
22:44 < elias`> IBM's Quasar project seems pretty interesting, "And then IBM still has the Quasar project lurking in the background, where it's combining Power and Cell chips." (from some article about a month ago)
22:45 < bkero> Power chips begot the Cell. O_o  At the OSL we have an IBM QS20, which is a bladecenter filled with cells.
22:45 < bkero> It's supported under gentoo ppc64.
22:45 < elias`> I wish I could afford a QS2[0-9]
22:46 < bkero> http://powerdev.osuosl.org/
22:46 < elias`> although QS22 was the highest last I checked
22:46 < bkero> They have dual 1200w PSUs, hehe
22:46 < bkero> One "blew", so we got a new one through warranty.  I use the other one at home for welding.
22:46 < kanzure> fixme:msi:MSI_OpenDatabaseW open failed r = 80030050 for L"Z:\\mnt\\maxtor\\all\\autodesk\\inventor\\LibraryContent\\ContentLibrarySetup.exe"
22:46 < elias`> will probably just get a PS3 for cheap processing power
22:47 < kanzure> bkero: What does your lab actually /do/ ?
22:47 < kanzure> or group I mean
22:47 < bkero> I'd ercommend an xbox 360 for that purpose elias` 
22:47 < kanzure> besides have awesome machines
22:47 < bkero> kanzure: I host projects.  
22:47 < kanzure> And that's all the lab does ?
22:47 < kanzure> giving you time to play?
22:47 < bkero> Well, no
22:47 < elias`> bkero: can you actually run arbitrary code in it?
22:47 < bkero> Part of the lab works on prjoects like the OLPC, OpenMoko, and smoe others
22:47 < bkero> elias`: people hacked linux on it
22:47 < kanzure> So sit around coding for OpenMoko and playing on cell phones, then?
22:48 < bkero> It's 3 dual-core G5's at 3GHz.
22:48 < bkero> I don't, the devs do
22:48 < bkero> I host this shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Lab
22:48 < kanzure> then what do /you/ do?
22:48 < elias`> Cell would be sexier :p
22:48 < kanzure> Freenode is hosted?
22:48  * kanzure thinks that SKDB would look good on that list
22:48 < bkero> I administer the powerdev accounts, and handle administration for some Gentoo, MythTV, Freenode, NSLU2-Linux, and the linux kernel.
22:49 < kanzure> especially re: http://fabuntu.org/ re: open source labs
22:49 < kanzure> I see
22:49 < kanzure> anyway, I have to run off to go battle robots and such
22:50 < bkero> Just put in a big order at Newegg.  PS2 to USB converter, 2x 3.5" sata->USB enclosures, a 4-port USB hub, 250gb 2.5" IDE hd, and a killawatt
22:50 < bkero> Going to put a second hard drive in my macbook.  This 16GB SSD just isn't cutting it.
22:50 < willPow3r> how's the ssd on battery life?
22:50 < bkero> I get about 20 extra minuets depending on usage
22:51 < bkero> BUT that's not why I got it
22:51 < willPow3r> hm
22:51 < willPow3r> i was under the impression that standard drives were more efficient
22:51 < kanzure> erm
22:51 < bkero> http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/MacbookHDTune.png
22:51 < bkero> http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/mtron.jpg
22:51 < kanzure> but wine can run \autodesk\\inventor\\LibraryContent\\ContentLibrarySetup.exe
22:51 < kanzure> wtf, what's the deal here
22:52 < willPow3r> could be an msi issue
22:52 < bkero> SSDs are more efficient. :P  Show me any benchmarks to prove otherwise.
22:52 < kanzure> oh
22:52 < kanzure> it's probably a Z:\\ issue
22:53 < kanzure> possibly a chmod issue ?
22:53 < willPow3r> its just what i read somewhere
22:55 < elias`> seems there are some bad SSD's wrt power usage though
22:56 < bkero> Before I got my mtron ssd I had a sata->cf
22:56 < bkero> that got slightly better battery life
23:23 < bkero> Fuck, it's 100 degrees here.
23:23 < bkero> I moved to oregon to leave that shit
23:32 < willPow3r> coastal oregon?
23:44 < bkero> Portland area
23:44 < bkero> West portland