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04:28 < bkero> Anybody want some shitty science tv show?
04:35 < marainein> what's the show?
04:50 < willPow3r> you aren't calling beakman's word a bad show, are you?
04:50 < willPow3r> word == world
04:52 < willPow3r> omg
04:52 < willPow3r> that show is still on
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05:39 < willPow3r> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/nu-rba090808.php
05:39 < willPow3r> did they really think that online users would be different from the general populace?
05:40 < willPow3r> given how many arguments start on any given forum over any given topic
05:41 < willPow3r> i would have to say that the average internet user is just as primitive as any other form of human
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08:04 < nsh> it's the Zealand effect
08:05 < nsh> actually, the inverse Zealand effect
08:05 < nsh> "Some of the banter between the two countries is typified by the response by the former New Zealand Prime Minister Robert Muldoon when questioned about increased levels of emigration to Australia, that these migrants "raised the average IQ of both countries"."
08:05 < nsh> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-New_Zealand_relations
08:05 < nsh> there are two sets of people: those on the internet and those not on the internet
08:05 < nsh> the more people move from the latter set to the former set, the lower the average IQ of both sets becomes
08:06 < nsh> it's simple, depressing, arithmetic
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08:46 < kanzure> Hm.
08:47 < kanzure> Interesting
09:06 < kanzure> gah
09:06 < kanzure> http://austinbrains.org/
09:06 < kanzure> formatting sucks
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12:12 < bkero> Howdy hplusroadmap
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12:46 < kanzure> Hey bkero.
12:54 < bkero> Apple's whoring it up today.
13:01  * kanzure wonders how to go about reinterpreting general thermodynamics with the conservation of 'search performance'
13:02 < kanzure> "It follows that if an algorithm achieves superior results on some problems, it must pay with inferiority on other problems. In this sense there is no free lunch in search.[1] Alternatively, following Schaffer,[3] search performance is conserved. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_in_search_and_optimization
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14:18 < kanzure> http://www.virsona.com/
14:18 < kanzure> HMM?
14:28 < kanzure> I don't get it.
14:28 < kanzure> How is this not suck?
14:30 < kanzure> supposedly they want to wire it up to the web 2.0 scene via feeding it all of your logins and so on, at some point at least
14:30 < kanzure> and then using the social network stuff and all of your random-ass content. 
14:30 < kanzure> Now, since everybody is writing in precisely the same way these days, it's effectively 'virtual immortality' for these guys, I suppose.
14:31 < kanzure> but if you chat with Abe, it's just a hidden markov model + Alexa for good measures or something
14:31 < kanzure> "You: But what does that matter? I wasn't even talking about Nebraska.
14:31 < kanzure> Abraham Lincoln: I was at the Ford's Theatre watching one of my favorite plays, 'Our American Cousin,' when I was shot by Booth. Yeah its interesting. I dont get out much these days so its nice to have someone to talk with."
14:32  * kanzure cries because somebody on the extropy mailing list is calling it "mind uploading"
14:33 < elias`> they'd probably consider being remembered by e.g. some literary works to be a way to get immortal too :s
14:50 < kanzure> blah
14:50 < kanzure> why are the most interesting talks scheduled during my class time
14:50 < kanzure> 'Evolving Symmetric and Modular Neural Networks for Complex Control Problems'
14:51 < kanzure> 'Thus, this dissertation shows how challenging control and combinatorial optimization  problems can be solved effectively by exploiting their symmetry and modularity.'
14:51 < kanzure> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~vkv/
14:52 < kanzure> Vinod Valsalam, James A. Bednar, Risto Miikkulainen, "Developing Complex Systems using Evolved Pattern Generators," IEEE Transactions on Evolutionary Computation 11(2): 181-198 (2007) pdf http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/downloads/papers/valsalam.ieeetec07.pdf
14:54 < kanzure> 'Legged robots are useful in tasks such as search and rescue because they can effectively navigate on rugged terrain. However, it is difficult to design controllers for them that would be stable and robust. Learning the control behavior is difficult because optimal behavior is not known, and the search space is too large for reinforcement learning and for straightforward evolution. As a solution, this paper proposes a modular approach for evolving n
14:55 < kanzure> "The search space is effectively reduced by exploiting symmetry in the robot morphology, and encoding it into networkmodules." <-- Huh.
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15:06 < kanzure> Hey ybit.
15:07 -!- You're now known as fenn
15:10 < fenn> fwiw i intentionally put as much random crap up online as i can so that one day a benevolent AI might possibly resurrect a reconstruction of my mind
15:12 < fenn> or something like that
15:12 < kanzure> the ai would have the years of 2001 to 2008 of my mind so far 
15:12 < kanzure> of random crap
15:12 < kanzure> online.
15:12 < kanzure> also, September 12 is most definitely not a Wednesday.
15:13 < fenn> depends what year it is
15:13 < kanzure> http://www.texasexes.org/events/event_cal.asp
15:13 < kanzure> looks like it's this year
15:14 < kanzure> wonder why they say the 12th
15:15 < kanzure> why is it from 4 to 6 but "please plan to arrive before 5:45"
15:16 < kanzure> I am very confused.
15:30 < kanzure> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp 
15:30 < kanzure> while the story isn't new,
15:30 < kanzure> the comments might be interesting
15:31 < kanzure> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/09/02/0805086105.abstract
15:31 < kanzure> 'In a paper released this month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Mansy and Szostak showed that the special membranes, fat bubbles essentially, were stable under a variety of temperatures and could have manipulated molecules like DNA through simple thermal cycling, just like scientists do in PCR machines.'
15:32 < kanzure> btw, Szostak shows up everywhere in my search results
15:42 < kanzure> hrm, it occurs to me that it would be easy to do a startup based around 'schedule optimization' 
15:42 < kanzure> http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2008-September/045380.html
15:42 < kanzure> easy consulting job ..
15:42 < kanzure> as long as you do a plugin for Microsoft Outlook or something
16:16 < bkero> Don't think I'd take a job that made me use outlook.
16:24 < kanzure> Yeah ..
16:28 < kanzure> "Oh yeah, speaking of the arm, it should avoid having permanent magnets, parts for it should avoid being machined, the arm should be able to lift it's own weight, it should be easy to put together,  it has to work in a vacuum, which means that metal parts tend to get stick due to cold welding,  it can't be made of parts over 1m2 in area,"
16:28 < kanzure> uhm, 
16:28 < kanzure> I know that formal specification languages were tried for software and it failed
16:28 < kanzure> so how the hell could it ever work for the manufacturing of thingies?
16:29 < bkero> k
16:29 < bkero> brushless motor
16:30 < kanzure> hm?
16:30 < kanzure> I was using that quote as an example of some specs
16:31 < bkero> I see
16:44 < ybit> hey kanzure
16:44  * ybit has been distracted
16:45 < kanzure> 'Features are application and viewer-dependent interpretations of geometry. This article demonstrates how the notion of features arising out of geometric data may be formalised as the semantics of a language of shape, using machining operations as an extended example. .. A simplified lathe is defined, and a parametric attributed set grammar is presented which specifies the range of shapes manufacturable on that lathe.' '
16:45 < kanzure> 'A simple feature space is then defined, in which feature models representing those shapes may be constructed. The link between the shapes and the feature models is then formalised as the semantics of the grammar using description functions, and it is shown how the feature models develop as shape generation proceeds. Finally, some implications of this work for feature-based design and manufacturing are discussed.'
16:45 < kanzure> Huh.
16:46 < kanzure> See, I like that. They were clever enough to realize that you had a finite amount of manufacturability given by the presence of a lathe.
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16:56 < kanzure> http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~kb11/paper_list.html
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16:57 < kanzure> ken knows how to write appealing paper titles ..
17:09 < kanzure> Hypothesis: Any time that you find somebody giving you a specification or parameter, like "must be a clickable GUI graphic window thingy" or "must withstand 500 kg of force from the vertical direction", then you're clearly not designing the whole system, and you should be.
17:28 < kanzure> 'Correct-by-Construction Asynchronous Implementation of Modular Synchronous Specifications'
17:43 < ybit> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/08/1647217&from=rss -- did you all see this?
17:46 < kanzure> Facilitating “fuzzy to formal” requirements modelling
17:47 < kanzure> uhm
17:47 < kanzure> Why do the schematics cost $200 ?
17:47 < kanzure> for $25,000 and "smug" drivers building damn cars they should know what a damn torrent is
17:47 < kanzure> it shouldn't be much more than a couple of megabytes, could do better than a torrent, an HTTP server!
17:49 < kanzure> bwahah
17:49 < kanzure> they link to austinev.org :-)
17:49 < kanzure> http://www.austinev.org/evinfo/build/eva-selectingavehicle.html
17:49 < kanzure> http://www.evalbum.com/037
17:50 < kanzure> This guy should die -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=957173&cid=24921767
18:05 < bkero> Doesn't really cost $25,000 to build an electric car.
18:05 < bkero> It might cost $25,000 if you bring your car to a shop and say LEARN HOW TO MAKE ELCTRIC CARS THEN MAKE MINE
19:35 < kanzure> http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
19:49 < fenn> checking.. checking.. still here
19:54 < kanzure> this reminds me of my earth destruction checking system http://web.archive.org/web/20050928005718/http://morph.hey.nu/earth/
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20:36 < kanzure> Odd. 
20:36 < kanzure> So the class that is scheduled for the same time as the lecture with the prof that has given me a job doing what I rant about in here, is going out bowling tomorrow
20:37 < kanzure> so, bowling versus awesome lab stuff
20:37 < kanzure> ho hum
20:37 < kanzure> not a hard decision.
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