--- Day changed Thu Sep 18 2008
00:13 < kanzure> hm .. some people getting smart, just saw a paper on bioreactor design via CFD tools
00:14 < ybit> link?
00:14 < ybit> -wikipapers ;)
00:14 < kanzure> hit me with a brick in about 10 minutes, I'm saving a few papers at the moment
00:14 < ybit> actually, that's not a bad idea
00:14 < kanzure> and then I'll rsync with the server
00:14 < kanzure> ybit: what's not a bad idea?
00:14 < ybit> wikipapers
00:15 < ybit> i'm sure some people already collaborate through a wiki on papers
00:15 < ybit> or atleast something similar
00:15 < kanzure> WikiCFP is for Calls for Papers
00:15 < kanzure> last time I checked it wasn't extensively used .. I don't have time to dump all of the CFPs that I get into the wiki
00:15 < ybit> gracias se?or
00:15 < kanzure> I mean, theoretically it would be great if people actually used it
00:15 < kanzure> but alas
00:16 < kanzure> one solution might be to suggest to them to have an 'incoming' page
00:16 < kanzure> where people just autodump stuff
00:16 < kanzure> and let it come through in any medium - forwarded emails to cfp@wikicfp.org or whatever, or through IM, or however, and then let volunteers formalize the information
00:16 < kanzure> and properly tag it and whatever
00:19 < ybit> hmm
00:20  * ybit searches for instruction on what to do with the ngc6940 images...
00:20 < kanzure> sounds like a weird format
00:20 < kanzure> astronomy?
00:20 < ybit> yeah
00:23 < ybit> i had instructions written down somewhere...
00:23 < kanzure> nuclear galaxy cluster = ngc ?
00:23 < kanzure> Just trying to guess.
00:23 < ybit> find them better not take as long as it took you to find your quad core :P
00:23 < kanzure> oh crap
00:23 < kanzure> I just realized I did something very stupid
00:23 < ybit> ?
00:23 < kanzure> in the building brains class today, the professor went over the 'perceptron' model
00:24 < kanzure> which is this simple adjustable weight summation technique
00:24 < kanzure> with basically a single loop or something
00:24 < kanzure> anyway, in the last few minutes of class I wrote some code on my paper
00:24 < kanzure> and then typed it up on to the class discussion board
00:24 < kanzure> well, one of the projects for the class is to make a software project
00:24 < kanzure> I think I just undermined that whole idea
00:24 < kanzure> crap :p
00:25 < ybit> haha
00:26 < kanzure> join #diybio
00:26 < ybit> oh yeah, so ngc stands for "new galactic catalog"
00:28 < kanzure> bah, I should have known that
00:28 < kanzure> I remember looking up star charts at one point or something
00:28 < kanzure> since they make no sense to me
00:28  * kanzure points out that the planet is moving through the galaxy too .. not just around the sun.
00:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_Information_Management_System
00:30 < kanzure> 'In fact, with the advent of SOA and other Web 2.0 technologies, today's (2007) LIMS is being defined as a complete ERP for the laboratory, no longer restricted to sample monitoring and results entry. Although it can be client-server or PC-based, it is increasingly web browser-based and provides a large assortment of functionality.'
00:31 < kanzure> hrm, why did they have to call it LIMS though
00:31 < kanzure> it's not information management, it's instrumentation and engineering
00:36 < kanzure> Pidgin crash.
00:41 < kanzure> Large-scale bioreactor design - there's something called a stir-tank where you do about 4000 rpm and stir the hell out of the algae/bacteria
00:41 < kanzure> there's a type of bioreactor that's the open-kind, the obvious sort
00:41 < kanzure> so what about the hydroelectricityy generators below dams?
00:41 < kanzure> *hydroelectricity
00:54 < ybit> i guess you read the "EROI below five critical" email as well :)
00:55 < ybit> the article i asked about the other day should be in my email box any day now
01:00 < kanzure> ybit: EROI below five critical email?
01:00 < kanzure> huh?
01:00 < kanzure> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/71003145/abstract 'Inverse metabolic engineering: A strategy for directed genetic engineering of useful phenotypes'
01:00 < kanzure> wtf, do these guys understand what they claim to have?
01:02 < ybit> EROI is from the [tt] mailing
01:02 < ybit> list
01:06 < kanzure> crap
01:42 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/bioreactor/ <-- New papers uploaded. I had some more stuff on my terabyte array that I neglected to upload.
01:58 < kanzure> Hey cis-action.
02:29 < kanzure> todo - somebody remind me to go back through the /~bbishop/docs/bioreactor/ papers that I added earlier tonight and throw up commentary on the bioreactors page on the wiki
02:29  * kanzure has some integrals to conquer.
02:47 < ybit> so it's been about 10 minutes :P, kanzure, have you had time to find the paper on bioreactor design via CFD tools?
02:47 < kanzure> yes
02:47 < kanzure> it's in the directory now
02:48 < ybit> k
02:49 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/bioreactor/General%20hybrid%20multizonal-CFD%20approach%20for%20bioreactor%20modeling.pdf
02:50 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/bioreactor/Using%20computational%20fluid%20dynamics%20software%20(OpenFOAM%20maybe)%20to%20estimate%20circulation%20time%20distributions%20in%20bioreactors.pdf
02:50 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/bioreactor/Dynamic%20simulation%20of%20bioreactor%20systems%20using%20orthogonal%20collocation%20on%20finite%20elements.pdf (FEM)
03:10 < ybit> decent time waster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9oseiCTdk&NR=1 
03:11 < kanzure> description?
03:11 < kanzure> besides decent time waster :)
03:13 < ybit> heh, it's a robot fish
03:13 < ende> don't trust it
03:14 < ybit> think i have seen such a thing before
03:14 < ende> it's just a matter of time before they make landfall and start taking over our cities
03:14 < ybit> i'm really digging the transformer and hexapod robot vids
03:15 < ybit> the hexapod + cnc was was kind of a eureka moment
03:15 < kanzure> Woah, you've been missing out on hexapods?
03:15 < ybit> yeah
03:15 < kanzure> yes, now imagine car + cnc
03:15 < ybit> car + cnc? :P
03:15 < ybit> hmm, you'll have to explain that one fine sir
03:16 < kanzure> drive car
03:16 < kanzure> drill.
03:16 < ybit> hmm... i would say transformer with huge jet pack + cnc would beat the car any day
03:16 < ybit> :)
03:17 < kanzure> uh?
03:17 < kanzure> people don't have hexapods, they have cars
03:17 < ybit> but people could ride a transformer in science fiction
03:17 < ybit> can*
03:17 < ybit> -a
03:17 < ybit> grr, it's late
03:18 < ybit> or even drive them
03:19 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/diyg/
03:19 < kanzure> "do it yourself genomics"
03:19 < ybit> anyway, somewhere, someone mentioned adding an extruder to the cnc hexapod so that it could build objects larger than itself. on that same page was a mention of a swarm of these, and that was interesting idea
03:19 < kanzure> ende: have you heard of the $0 genomics project?
03:19 < ende> nope
03:20 < kanzure> http://personalgenomics.org/
03:20 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/$0_genomics_project
03:20 < kanzure> hm
03:20 < kanzure> bad link
03:20 < kanzure> http://genomics.org/
03:20 < kanzure> there we go
03:21 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=$0+genomics+project&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
03:21 < kanzure> all of those results are relevant
03:21 < ende> ur familiar with 23andme?
03:21 < kanzure> of course
03:21 < ende> SNPedia?
03:21 < kanzure> decodeme gives you the output file :)
03:21 < kanzure> yes
03:21 < ende> friend of mine runs the later
03:21 < kanzure> Dan Bolser works on SNPedia 
03:21 < kanzure> he comes in here as faceface
03:21 < ende> hm
03:22 < kanzure> hangs out in #bioinformatics mostly
03:22 < ende> wonder if my guy knows him
03:22 < ende> I mean, he should
03:22 < kanzure> who's your guy?
03:22 < ende> cariaso
03:22 < kanzure> doesn't ring a bell :)
03:22 < kanzure> my guy has guys that knows your guys? cool
03:22 < kanzure> :-p
03:23 < ende> I know he's at least cofounder
03:23 < kanzure> Small world.
03:28 < kanzure> ende: One of the decodeme SNP data sets on SNPedia is Jong Bhak's. Jong and Dan work together all the time.
03:28 < kanzure> Jong runs Korea's government/top-level bioinformatics program.
03:28 < ende> ah
06:43 < bkero> http://feeds.boingboing.net/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/395499555/diy-biohacking-in-th.html
06:43 < kanzure> bkero: Boston Globe?
06:43 < kanzure> yeah, it was on diybio.org's mailing list today
06:43 < kanzure> also see #diybio
06:44 < kanzure> and go poke  that maradydd person, she's an ex IDT employee doing some bacterial cultures in her home
09:17 < willPow3r_> why in the hell does "peer" insist on resetting my connection
09:18 -!- willPow3r_ is now known as willPow3r
09:21 < bkero> kanzure: fix aging
11:50 < kanzure> bkero: Go talk to Aubrey.
11:50 < kanzure> Oh, btw, Aubrey is looking for new students.
11:50 < kanzure> I completely forgot to send off my resume his way
11:59 < kanzure> up 9 days :)
11:59 < kanzure> Neat.
17:07 < bkero> kanzure_: don't think I have the qualifications
17:21 < bkero> kanzure_: In aubrey's case I'd say he's trolling for new students. :P
19:19 < willPow3r> he's trying to spread his legacy, kanzure_ 
19:21 < willPow3r> fresh minds
19:22 < willPow3r> he feeds off of them
19:33 < bkero> willPow3r: Are you saying Aubrey is a vampire?
19:33 < willPow3r> no, zombie
19:33 < bkero> Haha
19:33 < willPow3r> but a transzombie
19:33 < willPow3r> so like zombie+
19:35 < willPow3r> or z+
21:25 < kanzure> http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/09/17/stanford-frees-cs-robotics-courses/
21:26 < kanzure> "Lets distinguish between the two major goals of AGI. The first is to automate the economy. The second is to become immortal through uploading." 
21:26 < kanzure> god I hate this mailing list
21:26 < kanzure> but it's like a soap opera
21:35 < kanzure> "Anyone who runs around claiming that Disney has "enslaved some poor sentient AGI life forms and is making them lead abysmal lifestyles as glorified circus clowns for the entertainment of children" will be perceived as plain-old-nuts; any attempted lawsuit on such grounds would get instantly thrown out."
21:36 < kanzure> Heh.
22:42 < ybit> oi, what's new?
22:48 < faceface> what should I call my blog
22:48 < faceface> BIoBlog?
22:49 < faceface> Sitting on the Blog?
22:49 < faceface> this is not the title of my blog?
22:50 < willPow3r> how about something not so 'bloggy'
22:50 < faceface> hmm... but I was just thinking 'blogblog'
22:50 < faceface> the long hard blog
22:50 < willPow3r> i mean, even sarah palin has a blog. that kind of ruins it
22:50 < faceface> heheh
22:50 < faceface> willPow3r, what do you suggest?
22:50 < faceface> some kind of ... hyper ... feed?
22:51 < faceface> what are the kids doing?
22:51 < willPow3r> the rage these days seems to be...
22:51 < faceface> OK, I'm gonna call it 'destination space'
22:51 < faceface> destination unknown
22:51 < willPow3r> how about "inner vortex"
22:52 < faceface> hmm... its  a-bit "hey I'm a teanager!"
22:52 < faceface> ;-)
22:52 < willPow3r> how old are you?
22:52 < faceface> 30
22:52 < willPow3r> hmm
22:52 < willPow3r> soo old.
22:52 < faceface> yeah... its weird
22:52 < faceface> I'm like... 1/3 dead!
22:53 < willPow3r> i'm closer to 30 than 17, so i really couldnt say
22:53 < faceface> Basically I want to publicise a bunch of lunatic ideas and see what happens
22:54 < willPow3r> lunatic fringe?
22:55 < faceface> not really... like morawits (sp) and his 'ideas that push the limit of what we can imagine to prompt a discussion' type thing
22:55 < faceface> only I am looking at cloning, gm etc.
22:56 < faceface> http://bioblog5000.blogspot.com/
22:57 < faceface> I am curious if people who know my email address are gonna get 'pinged' through their lurk-sites when I post.
22:57 < faceface> night all
22:57 < willPow3r> night
23:07 < kanzure> Can somebody go fetch the #diybio person?
23:08 < kanzure> faceface needs to stick around longer
23:09 < kanzure> Human powered vehicles: http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2008/resultswednesday.htm
23:09 < kanzure> Not that I care that much. Don't click.