--- Day changed Fri Oct 03 2008
00:05 < kanzure> "Buffon opened his treatise by considering a simple question: why will a human being purchase a lottery ticket when the chances of them dying in the next 24 hours are greater than the chances that they will win?"
00:49 < fenn> hope springs eternal
00:49 < fenn> 17:09 < anonimasu_> you know what I hate?
00:49 < fenn> 17:09 < anonimasu_> not having a engineering degree.
00:49 < fenn> 17:09 < anonimasu_> there are all theese nice papers on everything on IEEEE..
00:49 < fenn> 17:10 < anonimasu_> like if you google for how to mount lasers to sharks there's a paper about it..
00:50 < fenn> 17:10 < anonimasu_> and you cant be member of IEEEE, unless you are a engineer or at a institution..
00:53 < kanzure> where is anonimasu? ##electronics ?
00:53 < fenn> #emc
00:53 < kanzure> I've talked with him before I think
00:53 < kanzure> ah
00:53 < fenn> prolly asleep now
00:53 < kanzure> fuck
00:54 < fenn> just thought it was funny - he was searching for air bearing info
00:54 < fenn> and the papers are all on ieee
00:56  * fenn goes to bedsky
00:58 < kanzure> my grandfather, the one with the massive brain, was named belsky
01:20 < kanzure_> great grandfather
01:56 < kanzure> *cough*
01:56 < kanzure>  Victor Deeb is appearing at nubtalks in boston
01:56 < kanzure> who are our boston people in here?
02:02 < kanzure> http://crossintotheabyss.org/about4.htm hm
03:04 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/Chemistry/2008-10-02.png <- What the hell syntax is this? Commas?
04:26 < kanzure> mysql db is up
04:58 < ybit> "Auction of Over 50 Major Semiconductor Fabrication Tools & Support Equipment"
04:58 < ybit> http://www.go-dove.com/auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?auctionID=11912
04:58 < kanzure> hrm
04:58  * ybit gets some sleep
04:58 < kanzure> sleep is for the weak! etc
04:59 < kanzure>  (8) Applied Materials P5000 CVD's (2) Novellus Concept II CVD's (7) Kokusai Vertron III LPCVD furnaces Kokusai CX9620 Diffusion Furnace Mattson 4100 Rapid Thermal Processor LAM 4728 Dry Etcher (2) Thermawave 2600 Film Thickness Measurement Systems KLA/Tencor 2132 Wafer Defect Inspection Tool KLA/Tencor AIT Patterned Surface Wafer Defect Inspection Tool KLA/Tencor CRS1010S Ultrapoint Confocal Wafer Review Ststion KLA/Tencor Quantox 6400 Metrology In
04:59 < kanzure> yay now I know which companies to stalk
05:43 < ybit> sleep is for the drugless
05:43 < ybit> btw, i'm not sleeptyping, just working on prying myself away from information
07:45 < faceface> people can control robot arms using stomach muscles - anyone know of a 'passive' typing device?
07:45 < faceface> i.e. high res brain monitor for typing?
07:48 < faceface> you mean he really had a big brain? or a metaphor for intelligence?
07:50 < Utopiah> faceface: hi, check http://seedea.free.fr/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Content.Concepttreefmri I started a comparisom matrix in the end
07:51 < faceface> ty
07:51 < faceface> I figure if I ever lost a hand, I'd try to build a new one on a computer
07:51 < Utopiah> Tech Talk: Machine Learning under Changing Environment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQ4ec7z3XM at minute 15min or so gives example so you could check their Japanese lab, I didn't take the time to do so but it seem very similar
07:52 < Utopiah> build or grow?
07:52 < Utopiah> or let it build itself , kinda similar
07:53 < Utopiah> but... you know speech recognition make progresses, you can check that *today*
07:53 < Utopiah> good point about SR : it's super cheap.
07:53 < Utopiah> and there is nearly no learning curve
12:15 -!- biopunk is now known as splicer
12:26 < kanzure> apparently the thing that you see people tugging behind their bikes is a 'y-frame' http://www.carryfreedom.com/Y-Frame.html according to openmanufacturing
12:42 < fenn> no it's a y-frame trailer because the goofy way the hitch attaches
12:55 < splicer> you guys are up at this hour?
12:55 < fenn> is there something special about 9 am?
12:57 < splicer> my bad
12:59 < splicer> (somehow i held the belief that your morning started in about 6hrs)
13:03 < fenn> my schedule rotates
13:04 < fenn> so the city inspector and landlord's stooge barge into my house one day
13:05 < fenn> then a couple days later i receive a notice that the city planning department "received a complaint" imagine that
13:05 < fenn> they want me to remove all construction materials and equipment
13:06 < fenn> with $100 fine the first day, $200 the next, up to $7500 at which point presumably they "initiate legal proceedings"
13:07 < fenn> this is all for having some boards laying in my driveway mind you, and i dont have any neighbors
13:15 < nsh> tell them to fuck off
13:15 < nsh> i can't believe people are allowed to arbitrarily levy fines on you at a whim
13:15 < nsh> there's gotta be something wrong with that
14:31 < faceface> fenn, just fine them back
14:32 < faceface> 'we have rules sir' - yeah, I got a bunch of 'rules' too
16:14 < kanzure___> https://www.fbo.gov/download/9bc/9bce380aafb19f9ad3bda188bfc1ab20/DARPA-BAA-08-65.doc <--- DARPA Mathematical Challenges
16:16 < kanzure___> 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, and 23 look interesting.
16:16 < fenn> fine numbers, all of them
16:26 < kanzure___> on the document
16:26  * kanzure___ hasn't actually looked at the document, just got an email from the extropy mailing list
16:40 < kanzure___> anybody have ideas for interesting queries to run on the database?
16:41 < kanzure___> I've been running a few multitable select queries but they don't really have any meaning
16:41 < kanzure___> "select all flows in an entire system" is a doable one, showing the chain of material or whatever.
16:52 < fenn> nope no ideas
20:43 < kanzure> fenn: re: social contracts,
20:43 < kanzure> debian's came *after* they had something, I do believe.
20:44 < kanzure> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1997/threads.html#00017
20:44 < fenn> yes of course
20:44 < kanzure> http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1997/msg00005.html
20:44 < kanzure> hah
20:44 < fenn> but with all this yammering about "open" it started to seem like nobody had the same idea of what "open" meant
20:44 < kanzure> "debian rides space shuttle" :)
20:45 < kanzure> that's true
20:45 < kanzure> it's interesting though, it seems like the people are on the same note more or less
20:45 < kanzure> except a few oddballs
20:45 < kanzure> despite having no terminological common ground other than referencing other projects
20:48 < kanzure> Hm.
20:49 < kanzure> http://www.spi-inc.org/ "Software for the Public Interest"  SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organizations develop and distribute open hardware and software.
20:49 < kanzure> oh, in the device drivers sillyness sense
20:51 < fenn> device drivers?
20:51 < fenn> i'm just talking about open manufacturing
20:52 < kanzure> I linked to a site that had 'device drivers' 
20:52 < kanzure> it said 'open hardware'
20:52 < kanzure> but meant it in the sense of documentation for software projects
20:52 < kanzure> sorry
20:53 < fenn> huh. i know seb kuzminsky
20:53 < kanzure> eh?
20:53 < kanzure> /join ##distros
20:53 < kanzure> crap
20:53 < kanzure> I fail
20:54 < fenn> (he wrote the software for that space shuttle experiment)
20:54 < fenn> and some device drivers for emc
21:07 < kanzure> somebody remind me to figure out how to be smarter than ieee xplore, it's more important than nature
21:07 < kanzure> also
21:07 < kanzure> matweb has finished
21:07 < fenn> yay
21:07 < fenn> now what
21:07 < kanzure> you want?
21:08 < kanzure> well
21:08 < kanzure> conversion into usable format
21:08 < kanzure> right now it's mostly html
21:08 < kanzure> but it's in tables
21:09 < kanzure> (apparently their brilliant Excel format was also just HTML)
21:11 < kanzure> 2.4 GB of HTML.
21:12  * kanzure doesn't know what this is http://fabuntu.org/downloads/reprap-fablab.zip
21:14 < kanzure> ybit: find me the better way to download neurocommons' db please :)
21:15 < kanzure> you mentioned it before
21:15 < kanzure> I have completely forgotten it
21:16 < fenn> so i havent really looked at matweb, is there basic materials stuff like metal alloys, ceramics, plastics?
21:16 < kanzure> yes
21:17 < kanzure> hm. good news :) the files are deflating at about 80 to 80% via zip
21:17 < fenn> figures if it's html
21:17 < fenn> can probably chop out a lot of crap
21:18 < kanzure> if I wasn't so lazy right now I'd work on yet another html::parse thingy in perl to extract out the data and throw it into something less like htmlk
21:18 < kanzure> *html
21:19 < kanzure> blah, only 2.1 GB left on the server
21:19 < fenn> for example they have both SI and (random english units)
21:20 < kanzure> while it's zipping
21:20 < kanzure> me being my typical clueless self :)
21:21 < fenn> well you should only need 480MB
21:21 < kanzure> apparently "part mating" is what I should be calling "surface ontology bullshit"
21:21 < kanzure> hm?
21:21 < fenn> if it's zipping 80% compression
21:21 < kanzure> are you calculating it by bytes and the number of digits for each of the numbers?
21:21 < kanzure> ah
21:21 < kanzure> well. yes.
21:52 < kanzure> still deflating
22:03 < kanzure> hah
22:03 < kanzure> impressive
22:04 < kanzure> uploading :)
22:04 < fenn> what was the final size?
22:04 < kanzure> 480
22:04  * fenn struts
22:05 < kanzure> 480 MB in 48 seconds
22:05 < kanzure> god I love this connection
22:05 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/matweb.zip 
22:34 < kanzure> ybit: did you get the link?
22:35 < ybit> my computer sucks
22:35 < ybit> i don't recall pasting a link to download the data any faster
22:35 < ybit> i looked at the logs, and the only link that isn't broken is: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo
22:36 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/matweb.zip 
22:36 < ybit> there's also http://sparql.neurocommons.org/
22:36 < kanzure> ^ is what I meant
22:36 < kanzure> No, I meant my matweb.zip link
22:36 < ybit> oh
22:36 < ybit> neurocommons = matweb, now? o.O
22:36 < ybit> :P
22:36 < kanzure> no no no
22:36 < kanzure> matweb finished
22:36 < ybit> ah
22:36 < kanzure> I sent the link 20 minutes before you logged out
22:37 < ybit> yeah, i saw that in my logs
22:37 < ybit> i didn't log out, that was my computer not liking vibrations
22:37 < ybit> and this link was somewhat interesting: http://neurocommons.org/page/Special:Allpages
22:38 < ybit> they have information for downloading the entire dataset yourself...
22:38 < ybit> hmm, not sure where i saw that..
22:41 < ybit> maybe this is what you are looking for: http://neurocommons.org/page/RDF_distribution#Loading_and_installing
22:41 < kanzure> aha
22:43 < ybit> do you meet the hardware requirements though?
22:44 < ybit> if you want to run the server, it is recommended to have 8gb of memory
22:44 < ybit> and if you just want the data... 
22:44 < ybit> """
22:44 < ybit> The Neurocommons Virtuoso database itself currently occupies about
22:44 < ybit> 50 gigabytes, but will be expanding as some of the feeds grow and as new
22:44 < ybit> feeds are added, so leave yourself plenty of room for growth.  Maybe 300G.
22:44 < ybit> """
22:46 < ybit> but the total needed as mentioned in http://ftp.neurocommons.org/export/NEUROCOMMONS_INSTALL.txt is ~400gb
23:02 < kanzure> http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2008/09/turles-all-way-up.html
23:04 < kanzure> oh wait
23:04 < kanzure> that isn't about turtles at all
23:04 < kanzure> :(
23:23 < ybit> fenn, have you got wildcat-cat to run yet?
23:24 < kanzure> http://www.awareresearch.com/
23:24 < kanzure> wildwhat?
23:26 < ybit> kanzure: http://code.google.com/p/wildcat-cad/
23:26 < fenn> ybit: no
23:26 < kanzure> oh, -cad
23:26 < kanzure> not -cat :)
23:26 < fenn> is it linux-ready yet?
23:27 < ybit> i thought it was, but i didn't see a release for linux in svn
23:31 < kanzure> dear lazyweb
23:31 < kanzure> please hijack fabuntu for me
23:31 < kanzure> kthnxbai