--- Day changed Mon Oct 13 2008
00:26 < ybit> never thought of this until just recently, but why is it SKDB and not SEKDB or SEKD?
00:28 < ybit> wait, hold on answering for atleast a few minutes...
00:29 < ybit> off*
00:32 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Talk:Societal_engineering_knowledge_database
00:33 < ybit> now answer there, please :)
00:34 < ybit> was waiting on the emailed passwd to arrive, but alas, i have no patience
00:48 < kanzure> there will be no email
00:48 < kanzure> that's why the hplusroadmap mailing list isn't active
00:48 < kanzure> as for the name. you're welcome to come up with an excuse for the poor naming.
00:49 < kanzure> personally I was figuring I'd go pay for openmanu.org eventually, but I haven't gotten around to that
00:59 < ybit> haha :P
01:19 < kanzure> Hrm. I've been had.
01:19 < kanzure> https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/Building%20Brain/
01:19 < kanzure> Those look much like http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/ ...
01:30 < bkero> http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sys/876792534.html
01:50 < pppk> you've been had how?
01:51 < kanzure> Not really had. Just that they're copied. The guy sent out an email saying 'this is where all of the notes will be for now on'. Which is an odd thing to say considering I write the notes. Heh.
01:51 < bkero> ht276?
01:51 < bkero> You write the notes for a class?
01:52 < kanzure> Real-time note taking.
01:52 < kanzure> See the HTML conversions on my server.
01:52 < bkero> For this asshole? https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/CIMG3232.JPG
01:53 < kanzure> Holy shit he's not a freshman. https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/courses%20taken.jpg
01:53 < pppk> hot chick
01:53 < pppk> she's kind of trying to get away though
01:53 < bkero> She looks like a limp plaything
01:53 < pppk> I bet he's korean
01:54 < pppk> a lot lot of koreans go the predental route
01:54 < bkero> ?
01:54 < pppk> 'sides, he looks it
01:54 < bkero> Heh
01:55 < pppk> anyway, why should he be a freshman?  Building brains is a 300-level class
01:55 < kanzure> The course description said first-year first-semester students only.
01:55 < kanzure> Besides, all of my classes are at least 300-level.
01:56 < pppk> hmm, somebody must have waived that requirement for him
02:06 < kanzure> I'm so glad I have /school on the server to remind me how wasted those four years of my life were.
02:06 < fenn> gosh brian you're so selfish! hoarding the notes all to yourself on your private webserver
02:07 < kanzure> geeze, it's as if I don't share anything
02:09 < fenn> why are all the buildings made of styrofoam?
02:09 < kanzure> ?
02:09 < fenn> is that disneyland or something? (CIMG3232.JPG)
02:10 < kanzure> easy way to check .. what's the likelihood of those two businesses being next to each other anywhere else but where-ever the hell that is?
02:11 < fenn> hmm pretty high i'd bet
02:12 < pppk> looks like an outdoor mall to me
02:12 < kanzure> really
02:12 < pppk> I don't think disneyland has many outside businesses in it like that, if any
02:13 < kanzure> San Marcos.
02:13 < kanzure> "Prime Outlets". 
02:13 < kanzure> Anyway.
02:14 < kanzure> fenn fails
02:16 < pppk> yeap, I should have said it looked like an outlet mall
02:16 < fenn> ok everyone please ignore my snide remarks
02:16 < kanzure> I don't understand.
02:17 < kanzure> Do I win or not?
02:17 < fenn> this is not a zero sum game
02:17 < bkero> Ooh sexy http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/12/new_macbook_case_leaks_question_firewires_future.html
02:18 < fenn> stamped sheet metal?
02:36 < ybit> hey fenn, do you recall the link which you pasted in here or in #emc a few days ago..
02:36 < ybit> you had said that it covered all the steps in machining
02:36 < ybit> and it repeated half-way through
02:37 < kanzure> youtube link
02:37 < ybit> yeah it was
02:37 < kanzure> hrm, I had that open until 2 this afternoon when my machine spontaneously turned off
02:37 < ybit> keyword "repeat" if you want to grep for it :)
02:38 < bkero> You mean your browser doesn't resume your session if your machine crashes?
02:38 < ybit> bkero: haha
02:38 < kanzure> it was open in konqueror
02:38 < bkero> That's a showstopper for me :/
02:39 < ybit> haha
02:39 < ybit> konqueror for kde 4.+ supposely has a restore process
02:40 < ybit> how many tabs are you up to now bkero?
02:41 < bkero> 223(i opened some more)
02:41 < bkero> 197+26
02:41 < kanzure> yeah, we can tell, we can do math
02:42 < kanzure> I call foulplay because of your super setup
02:42 < kanzure> fowl
02:42 < bkero> My super Pentium 4?
02:43 < bkero> It's not even a Pentium D
02:43 < kanzure> But *I'm* on a p4 too ..
02:43 < bkero> k
02:43 < kanzure> ...
02:44 < bkero> p4 1.5gb ram, 80gb hd
02:45 < kanzure> 500 MB of RAM shouldn't make this much of a difference.
02:45 < bkero> Not sounding very super.  I'm using a lightweight window manager if that counts.
02:45 < kanzure> I'm pretty sure it shouldn't count.
02:45 < bkero> On hardy
02:47 < ybit> random did you know: after adjusting the config file in xmonad, you can simply restart the wm and the changes are applied, whearas in other tiling WMs, X needs to be restarted
02:48 < kanzure> fvm95 even?
02:49 < ybit> fvm95 is a tiling wm?
02:49 < kanzure> no
02:50 < ybit> never used the fvm95 shell
02:50 < ybit> having to use xgterm for the astro project
02:50 < bkero> fvwm95 isn't tiling
02:51 < ybit> afk
02:52 < fenn> ybit: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MCL7S4eGELM
03:07 < fenn> how can it be that i have to download a 21MB warez file just to uncompress some old mac format
03:08 < bkero> What format?
03:08 < kanzure> since when do warez files ever come in less than 100 MB packages
03:08 < bkero> Since usenet doesn't use 100mb files
03:08 < kanzure> usenet still does the file trading thing?
03:08 < bkero> Yea
03:09 < kanzure> Know a free nntp gateway?
03:10 < fenn> bkero: .sit
03:10 < bkero> lol stuffit
03:20 < willPow3r> no more free nntp
03:23 < bkero> Nope
03:24 < fenn> the throbbing heart has stilled
03:25 < bkero> orly
03:27 < fenn> i wonder if some programmers think adding steps to the install process makes their software more complete
03:27 < bkero> Heh
03:27 < bkero> Programmers are not UI people
03:32 < fenn> hmm.. how do i know if a wine program is stuck in a loop?
03:34 < fenn> sigh.. i guess expecting a windows program to work without crashing is too much to ask
03:48 < fenn> for the curious: i managed to recover some of the files, and also by peeking at the binary format i can see that it's just some DNA sequences and sequence alignments
03:51 < fenn> kanzure: please dont feed the troll (patrick on om)
03:52 < fenn> i can see nothing good come from that thread
03:53 < bkero> trolltrolltroll
03:54 < fenn> and why hasnt my mail showed up yet
03:56 < gene> huh?
03:57 < bkero> My battery is 11 months old, has 358 cycles, and has 5018 out of 5020mAh capacity.
03:57 < fenn> bkero: what's that from?
03:57 < bkero> fenn: macbook :)
03:57 < bkero> That I'm selling
03:58 < fenn> is that some special mac battery monitor software?
03:58 < bkero> coconutBattery
03:58 < bkero> But you can get that info from the System Profiler
03:58  * fenn wonders why linux doesnt have anything so geeky
04:00 < fenn> ok it's officially bedtime
04:00 < kanzure> officially?
04:00 < kanzure> also, patrkcom sufficiently deflected
04:00 < kanzure> his email didn't make much sense
04:01 < gene> Hey could someone find me the paper for this articlehttp://www.nature.com/news/2008/081010/full/news.2008.1164.html#B1
04:01 < gene> it's in nature
04:01 < kanzure> I just-so-happen to have a full archive of nature ...
04:01 < kanzure> Mostly full.
04:01 < gene> wait we have a troll?
04:01 < gene> do you have phyics review?
04:02 < gene> Peng, H. et al. Phys. Rev. Lett. 101, 145501 (2008).
04:02 < gene> or whatever the above is
04:03 < kanzure> Doesn't look like it.
04:03 < gene> damn
04:03 < fenn> can nature be compressed? 40GB is big even for torrents
04:03 < kanzure> I know it is :/
04:03 < gene> Kanzure has 4tbs of disk space
04:03 < kanzure> it's mostly PDF-images
04:04 < kanzure> 2
04:04 < gene> oh 2
04:04 < fenn> kanzure is a single point of failure
04:04 < kanzure> Wait. Let me count. 
04:04 < kanzure> 2 TB ... plus another few .. ok, 3.7 TB. So 4.
04:04 < gene> indeed
04:04 < kanzure> yes, I am a giant SPOF.
04:04 < gene> but you got a john doe internet account
04:04 < gene> btw
04:04 < fenn> i mean, uh, "our most valuable asset"
04:05 < kanzure> I have _two_ John Doe accounts.
04:05 < gene> are you running the server out of your dorm?
04:05 < kanzure> yes
04:05 < gene> damn
04:05 < gene> I wish I had a free internet account
04:05 < gene> I have to worry about being throttled down
04:06 < gene> and make all my big downloads on the weekend
04:06 < kanzure> Have you considered paying?
04:06 < gene> because that's when they reset the bandwidth
04:06 < gene> I have
04:06 < gene> max bandwidth I can buy 15 gigs per week
04:07 < gene> is 10 gigs per week enough to run a torr node?
04:07 < willPow3r> depends on which traffic you let tunnel through
04:08 < kanzure> 15 GB/week is hardly enough.
04:08 < kanzure> For anything.
04:09 < gene> like?
04:10 < gene> external conciousness backup?
04:11 < ybit> gracias captian fenn
04:11 < ybit> ..for the link
04:11 < kanzure> ybit: then what does that make me
04:11 < kanzure> captain fenn. humph.
04:11 < kanzure> gene: What the hell is consciousness?
04:11 < gene> I knew you were going to say that
04:12 < gene> lol dunno
04:12 < gene> what is kanzure?
04:12 < willPow3r> omg   here we go
04:13 < gene> terminating conversation in:
04:13 < gene> 3
04:13 < gene> 2
04:13 < gene> 1
04:13 < gene> So how about we design an electron beam mill
04:13 < gene> no cutting part = higher replicability?
04:14 < willPow3r> hasn't that been done?
04:14 < gene> maybe
04:14 < gene> electron beam milling has one problem
04:14 < willPow3r> http://gizmodo.com/357420/hercules-laser-is-most-intense-laser-in-the-universe-almost-as-powerful-as-the-death-star
04:15 < gene> it produces x-rays
04:15 < gene> WRONG
04:15 < gene> UT has the most power laser
04:16 < gene> by a different definition of what makes the most powerful laser
04:16 < kanzure> Where'd my designs for the Death Star go?
04:16 < kanzure> Seriously though. 
04:16 < gene> damn
04:16 < willPow3r> damn rebels probably stole them
04:16 < gene> you need to watch this one anime
04:16 < gene> where there are like 2 death stars
04:16 < kanzure> willPow3r: I want those plans!
04:16 < gene> have like liquid armor
04:16 < kanzure> And bring me the rebels, I want them alive!
04:17 < gene> Heh
04:17 < gene> I have them
04:17 < gene> on my micro sd card
04:17 < willPow3r> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzoeEdW-EDQ
04:20 < gene> no really I made a folder yesterday called deathstar plans
04:22 < gene> So how do we make an electron beam finishing tool
04:22 < gene> or electron beam litho unit
04:22 < kanzure> So random.
04:23 < drazak> So, I think I'm gonig to write up a research proposal, and try to get into a real lab
04:23 < gene> so why make an electron beam mill?
04:23 < gene> there is a 3d printing process called electron beam melting
04:23 < kanzure_> drazak: Be careful, you can easily be suckered into doing something completely other than what you're thinking you want to do.
04:23 < drazak> kanzure_: not if I actually write a proposal
04:23 < drazak> :D
04:24 < kanzure_> drazak: Hah.
04:24 < gene> where you scan an electron beam across metal powder to fuse it
04:24 < kanzure_> Go ahead, proposals are good, but again, just watch out.
04:24 < gene> one problem though
04:24 < drazak> kanzure_: seriously, I dont' mind doing all the bench work, and such, I want to study Gap Junction Proteins
04:24 < gene> the parts require additional machine
04:24 < gene> *machining
04:24 < kanzure_> drazak: I'm not saying you do mind the bench work. That's not what I was talking about.
04:24 < drazak> gene: you could just 3d print on a CNC machine
04:24 < drazak> :D
04:24 < gene> so machine them with an electron beam
04:25 < gene> not for complex parts
04:25 < kanzure_> drazak: Don't get him started.
04:25 < gene> CNC head requires cutting part and moving parts
04:25 < gene> electron beam doesn't
04:25 < gene> it isn't totally replicable
04:26 < gene> but it might be expandable
04:30 < gene> can x-rays damage electronics?
04:31 < gene> nevermind
04:32 < gene> kanzure has is the validator going?
04:33 < kanzure_> Just need to formalize the file format.
04:33 < kanzure_> *finalize
04:34 < gene> you got everything in the database right?
04:34 < gene> needed to do validation?
04:34 < kanzure_> Yes.
04:34 < kanzure_> Uhm.
04:34 < kanzure_> Maybe. 
04:34 < gene> not every process but enough to figure out replication right?
04:34 < kanzure_> As it turns out there might not be enough data to come up with the "function structures" in the database because of the information the Other Guys store.
04:35 < kanzure_> No, there's probably not enough information in the database for that .. most of the information in the database at the moment is from the reverse engineering of consumer products.
04:35 < gene> damn
04:35 < gene> we might end up with replicating blenders
04:36 < gene> btw
04:36 < kanzure_> One of the "Frankenstein designs" that the Automated Design Lab randomly came up with a few years ago was a bread cutter turned into a meat cutter crossed wtih a toothbrush.
04:37 < gene> I have to see that
04:37 < kanzure_> Did you see the CFGs?
04:37 < gene> no
04:37 < gene> haven't even heard of CFGs
04:38 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs/
04:38 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs_2/
04:38 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/functionstructures/
04:38 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/functionstructures_2/
04:38 < kanzure_> Look at the PNG files.
04:39 < gene> what the heck are those things
04:39 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/cdd/ has a link to the CFG that I generated, and then also a file that shows the "function structure" that the MST guys came up with (but this is just drawn/hand-written in .. and it's not a computational format)
04:39 < kanzure_> They're graphs showing the interconnectivity of the parts.
04:39 < gene> damn
04:39 < gene> that is cool
04:40 < gene> I sorta of get what a CFG is
04:40 < gene> computed function graph
04:41 < kanzure_> s/computed/component/
04:41 < gene> ok
04:41 < gene> cool
04:42 < gene> so how did the program make the franken brush-bread-meat-cutter
04:42 < gene> breed those CFGs together?
04:42 < kanzure_> A program didn't do it.
04:42 < kanzure_> Or, if it did, then I've not seen it.
04:42 < gene> dang it
04:42 < gene> that isn't automated design
04:43 < kanzure_> Yes it was. It was rule-oriented.
04:43 < kanzure_> Anyway, just because I haven't seen the program doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
04:43 < gene> a human did it by manipulating a program?
04:43 < kanzure_> What are you asking?
04:44 < gene> what degree of human involvement was required?
04:45 < kanzure_> Hell if I know? They were doing one example for a powerpoint, give it a rest. :p
04:45 < gene> ok
04:46 < gene> so have you ever considered using tanks as replicator feedstock?
04:46 < gene> military tanks
04:47 < gene> there are large stockpiles of tanks out there
04:48 < gene> in other words
04:48 < gene> large piles of parts a replicator might use
04:48 < gene> instead of making parts
04:48 < gene> grab them from something that does
04:48 < kanzure_> Adding in dependencies on nonreplicating parts doesn't help.
04:49 < gene> but
04:49 < kanzure_> If you grab it from something that doesn't make its own parts, then it's not a replicator.
04:49 < gene> what about predators
04:49 < kanzure_> ?
04:50 < gene> mice don't have to make proteins and stuff from dirt
04:50 < gene> they eat plants
04:50 < kanzure_> Plants replicate.
04:50 < gene> so do mice
04:50 < kanzure_> Tanks don't.
04:50 < gene> there are large quantities of tanks in the world
04:51 < kanzure_> That doesn't matter.
04:51 < gene> miles of junked tanks
04:51 < gene> at least use it as a feedstock for seed
04:52 < gene> a seed I mean
04:52 < gene> actually airplanes might be a better feedstock
04:54 < gene> ah well
04:55 < gene> So what isn't dissolved by hydrofluoric acid?
04:55 < gene> besides plastic
04:56 < gene> nevermind found something
04:56 < gene> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5932505.html
04:56 < gene> now the question is how to make that
04:58 < gene> Kanzure, do have the elemental composition of a typical asteroid
04:59 < gene> say carbonaceous?
04:59 < kanzure_> No, but I do have the elemental composition of the moon somewhere.
05:00 < gene> how much carbon is in moon dust?
05:00 < gene> looks like not much
05:01 < gene> http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/mooncomp.htm
05:05 < gene> no carbon= bad if you want to use bacteria to replicate
05:05 < kanzure_> No, that's not how you do it.
05:05 < gene> how do you do it?
05:05 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Moontank
05:05 < kanzure_> You make a selection experiment with bacteria and the rocks and materials that you would have in the target environment.
05:05 < gene> fuck
05:06 < kanzure_> This way you continue to care less about carbon.
05:06 < gene> you got me there
05:07 < gene> you need carbon for plastics
05:07 < gene> for storing corrosives
05:07 < gene> and maybe lubricants for machinery
05:07 < kanzure_> What are you on about now? You were talking about bacteria, but now you want to store corrosives?
05:07 < kanzure_> I'm going to sleep.
05:08 < gene> yeah
05:08 < gene> can a replicator live off little to no carbon
05:19 < gene> *note replicators designed for space must have radiation hardened electronics
12:03 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/music2/I%20Leave%20The%20World%20T.%20(rmx).mp3
12:03 < kanzure> Sent some emails to openmanufacturing. Don't remember what about.
12:03 < kanzure> Oh, one in reply to Jon cc'd to openmanufacturing.
12:15 < kanzure> Huh. Jef's on openmanufacturing.
12:20  * kanzure leaves.
13:35 < procto> I'm back!
15:57 < kanzure_1_> So am I.
15:57 < kanzure_1_> Ah, procto, back from SF?
15:57 < procto> indeed
16:01 < kanzure_1_> Jon got back to me again
16:01 < kanzure_1_> http://avocado-cad.sourceforge.net/ CAD XML format
16:02 < kanzure_1_> #avoCADo
16:03 < kanzure_1_> Crap.
16:03 < kanzure_1_> Anyway, it looks like yet-another-open-source-CAD initiative
16:03 < kanzure_1_> I should probably at least try the software this time.
16:05 < kanzure_1_> http://www.blendernation.com/2006/04/27/cad-modeling-in-blender/
17:00 < ybit> now this is interesting
17:00 < ybit> ybit2 is still online even after the screen won't come on
17:01 < ybit> so it essentially confirms what i thought the problem may be
17:01 < ybit> a shortage
17:01 < ybit> maaybe the graphics card
17:01 < ybit> anywho
17:02  * ybit is thankful for cg:irc
17:02 < ybit> cgi:irc
17:20 < xp_prg> hi all!
17:22 < nsh> hey
17:31 < ybit> so much for testing Virtual Forbidden City ( http://www.physorg.com/news142874414.html ) it doesn't want to run on this comp.
17:39 < bkero> I'll forbidden your virtual city.
17:40 < ybit> :P
17:40 < ybit> i have no clue what that is supposed to mean :)
17:40 < bkero> I'll mom your virtual forbidden.
17:40 < bkero> If you put me in the right mood I'll even forbidden your virtual mom.
17:40 < ybit> sounds kind of gay
17:41 < ybit> with a little incest
17:41 < bkero> How is me giving it to your mom considered incest?
17:43 < ybit> "I'll mom your virtual forbidden." = incest ... perhaps you are sticking my forbidden in my virtual mom.  "I'll forbidden your virtual city." = gay
17:44 < bkero> You're reading way too much into this.
17:44 < ybit> hehe
17:46 < ybit> keeping this conversation alive... http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/downloads.html  -- looks like a city is becoming forbidden in the top-left icon
17:47 < bkero> By submerging?
17:47 < ybit> heh, correct
17:47 < kanzure_1_> Almost done extracting files from the .repo data set. There's some extra stuff in there that I've been neglecting.
17:48 < kanzure_1_> (At the moment I've forgotten how to use XML::Simple to return either the name of the root XML element or let me search for an XML element in the document ($data->{$var} is surprisingly not it)
17:48  * kanzure_1_ leaves.
17:53 < ybit> oh yeah, who saw the links from thomas on diybio?
17:54 < ybit> http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/downloads.html
17:54 < ybit> http://synbioss.sourceforge.net/
17:54 < ybit> http://openjacob.org/
17:54 < splicer> the idea of being able to describe and simulate wetware is incredibly fucking cool
17:57 < fenn> oo nice turtle @ deepakc
18:06 < ybit> damn this turtle talk
18:06 < ybit> what does it mean?
18:07 < ybit> anywho, too bad the deepakc programs are all closed source
18:08 < ybit> turtles are programs with good ideas but which are closed source? 
18:09 < ybit> they are good ideas, but they aren't speeding along progress as fast as it could
18:09 < ybit> it/they*
18:12 < ybit> it was explained briefly once before, but i forget
18:18 < fenn> i meant the turtle picture: http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/images/title.jpg
18:32 < ybit> ah :)
18:39 < splicer> It came to me one day; It's fractals all the way down
18:40 < ybit> were you smoking the mary?
18:41 < splicer> i was bitchslapping someone with one hand
18:41 < ybit> :P
18:41 < ybit> figured it was the weed since it unclutters the mind
18:42 < ybit> perhaps it would make sense that you were on acid to see fractals though
18:43 < ybit> but whatever you were on to realize that everything is fractals while bitchslapping someone, that's the stuff i want
18:44 < splicer> Try bitchslapping with boredom
18:44 < ybit> heh
18:44 < ybit> ow, that hurts
18:45  * ybit notes not to bitchslap a windows machine
18:46 < bkero> Throw it out a window.
18:48 < splicer> Fuck.. I really like the way biobricks is going... that people are using them and building software around them, activity
18:49 < splicer> waiting for the biohacker wave to come
18:51 < splicer> Jag har svårt att avgöra om du är allvarlig. 
18:52 < splicer> Ingen vill ha ett angiversisamhälle. Det man vill ha är en befolkning 
18:52 < splicer> som drar åt samma håll. Ett angiverisamhälle har rakt motsatt effekt.
18:52 < splicer> hehe.. sorry
19:02 < kanzure> SynBioSS claims to be GenoCAD / what we were talking about since forever
19:02 < kanzure> Splicer: It's also fractals all the way up.
19:02 < kanzure> So, let's check the synbioss file formats and methodology there
19:03 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php
19:03 < kanzure> yikes
19:03 < kanzure> flat form
19:03 < splicer> Kanz: does that make us fractals then?
19:03 < kanzure> oh well, not too terrible
19:03 < kanzure> There's iteration, recursion and some fractality to it all, but I would _not_ claim that "an identity is a fractal".
19:04 < kanzure> There's no formalized definition of identity in the first place, you see, so that makes it hard to answer your question.
19:06 < splicer> who knows.. maybe there is a small city in some fardown mandelbrot twirl
19:06 < kanzure> You mean, like, on a planet? 
19:07 < kanzure> Splicer: http://heybryan.org/wildness.html is exactly what you just said.
19:07 < splicer> hehe.. except the universe has limits I think
19:08 < kanzure> Splicer: see also heybryan.org/docs/2007-10-23_trip.html
19:08 < kanzure> wildness.html does assume the universe infinite.
19:09 < kanzure> Hrm. I realize now that 2007-10-23_trip.html sounds like a schizophrenic wrote it. Neat. I can emulate schizophrenia. (This is probably Not Good.)
19:10 < kanzure> Anyway, ybit2 - I don't quite have time at the moment to go through synbioss.sf.net and see what file formats they're using, but it would be nice to find the union between their file formats and the http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/ .repo file formats.
19:10 < kanzure> fenn: re: 40 GB being a hefty torrent,
19:10 < kanzure> what are you talking about? I just downloaded 20 GB of pokemon episodes. big deal.
19:15 < fenn> 40GB is a big torrent, not my problem you're a pokemon freak
19:16 < kanzure_> todo: proof of concept on automated ordering of supplies and parts for synbioss constructs
19:16 < kanzure_> since they're already using a repository.
19:16 < kanzure_> besides, what they do apparently is have biobrick teams go yell at each other until they find one that has a certain vector or plasmid in stock for what they want to do
19:16 < kanzure_> but first, compatability and seeing if synbioss isn't cheating some of the data :)
19:18 < kanzure> Jon also linked over to http://www.blendernation.com/2006/04/27/cad-modeling-in-blender/
19:18 < kanzure> http://www2.futureware.at/~philipp/BlendXML/
19:18 < kanzure> he's more interested in 3D model sharing it seems
19:19 < kanzure> besides the numerous problems with just blatantly chucking 3D models into the repositories is that you get the situation that I'm currently in
19:19 < kanzure> i.e., the .repo files have these stupid subfiles at the moment
19:19 < kanzure> so I've been extracting those for the hour that I was sitting in the lab
19:19 < kanzure> and there's no information linkage back to the actual .repo XML stuff, so it's just off in lala land :(
19:19  * kanzure should be telling this to Jon, not #hplusroadmap
19:21 < kanzure> somebody yell at the guys for the limited types on the synbioss site -- those need to be expanded for the 'function structure' capability that I've been wrangling out of the .repo files
19:22 < kanzure> the types in the selectbox on the interface1.php script I mean
20:00 < procto> xp_prg: yes, I'm a developer
20:01 < procto> xp_prg: I have plenty of experience with prototype and jquery, less so with dojo. have also played around with scriptaculous a few other frameworks.
20:01 < procto> xp_prg: didn't want to keep flooding peoples' inboxes
20:05 < xp_prg> procto cool man!
20:05 < xp_prg> hi!
20:05 < xp_prg> what is your preference, have you seen wavemaker?
20:11 < procto> xp_prg: my pref is jquery. I'm Mike K on the list, in case you forgot :>
20:28 < xp_prg> procto that is my preference as well
20:29 < xp_prg> procto are you interested in writing code for biobench?
20:29 < xp_prg> I could sure use the help! :>
20:37 < kanzure> wow this looks so magically terrible
20:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/me302/2008-10-13_Gantt_chart.html
20:37 < kanzure> k, I need to run
20:37 < splicer> GFP doesn't glow under normal lighting conditions right? One needs an UV light or something?
20:37 < kanzure> xp_prg: haha, procto doesn't need to help you ..
20:37 < kanzure> splicer: go ask maradydd
20:37 < xp_prg> how come?
20:37  * kanzure runs off to ME302 class
20:37 < splicer> she died
20:37 < kanzure> xp_prg: heh, it's rather simple now that all of the hard work has been done for you
20:37 < kanzure> oh teh noes
20:38 < kanzure> anyway, I'm really really not here
20:38 < xp_prg> ok bye!
20:38 < splicer> hehe.. bye
20:42 < procto> xp_prg: I'd help, but i'm waaay too busy
20:42 < xp_prg> ok
20:42 < procto> kanzure: is maradydd == meredith patterson?
21:05 < ybit> the best sports match i've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8
21:26 < splicer> procto: yes, her
22:01 < kanzure_1_> procto: yes
22:53 < kanzure_1_> What format is "CDATA" in? All of the data within the XML files is always looking the same even though I know a zip shouldn't be looking like CDD, etc.
23:44 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/wiki/index.php/Special:Model?model=bistable
23:44 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/wiki/index.php/Special:Model?model=and_gate
23:46 < kanzure> what is BioModelWiki? a plugin?
23:46 < kanzure> Yep, uses SBML.
23:48 < kanzure> stupid software is windows-only
23:48 < kanzure> xp_prg: Ok. I lied. SynBioSS is Windows-only. Will have to be converted to run on linux installations.
23:56 < xp_prg> is that opensource?
23:59 < kanzure> yes