--- Day changed Wed Oct 22 2008
00:40 < kanzure> launch in 15 minutes http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/videos/introduction.htm
01:17 < fenn> i didnt even know india had a space program
01:18 < kanzure> "where else are they going to go"
01:20 < willPow3r_> "chandrayaan" sounds a lot like "challenger"
01:29 < willPow3r_> not that i'm wishing anything bad upon them. i love india
03:13 < percent_> Okay, fuckers
03:13 < percent_> Since I almost just fucking died
03:14 < percent_> Tell me why the fuck an unpowered DC power supply would, upon connecting it (via alligator clips) to a very hot vacuum furnace's high voltage feedthrough would fucking through a gigantic spark and kill the power to the whole row of rockets on the wall
03:14 < willPow3r_> jihading not going so well?
03:14 < percent_> Seriously
03:15 < percent_> If I hadn't taped that alligator clip
03:15 < percent_> My black ass would have been fucking fried
03:15 < percent_> FRIED
03:15 < percent_> LIKE CHICKEN
03:15 < bkero> Mmm
03:15 < bkero> fried chicken
03:15 < willPow3r_> mmm... fried chicken
03:15 < percent_> Also
03:15 < percent_> Fuck complicated labs
03:15 < percent_> can't find the circuit breaker
03:16 < percent_> *turns on one switch*
03:16 < percent_> *turbopump spins down*
03:16 < percent_> OH SHI- *frantically turns switch back*
03:16 < willPow3r_> maybe u need to replace the vacuum tube?
03:16 < willPow3r_> or a fuse
03:17 < willPow3r_> what kind of lab are you working in?
03:18 < percent_> MEMS
03:18 < percent_> it's THE NANOSCIENCE, YO
03:18 < percent_> This is just basic electronics
03:19 < willPow3r_> did u watch the safety video prior to engaging in lab activity?
03:19 < percent_> no fuck you
03:20 < percent_> tell me how to make my goddamn reactor work again you cocksucking faggot
03:20 < willPow3r_> 2nd switch on the left
03:21 < willPow3r_> turn right full
03:21 < percent_> fuck
03:21 < percent_> is anyone in here a nanoscientist or somethin
03:22 < percent_> any nanoscientists...?
03:23 < willPow3r_> there are, but they're too small to use a keyboard
03:23  * willPow3r_ shuts up now.
03:23 -!- percent_ is now known as jihaaaad
03:24 < jihaaaad> ...
03:24 < jihaaaad> *raises AK into air*
03:24 < jihaaaad> ALLU AKBAR
03:26 < willPow3r_> i've read somewhere that the people who live in tennessee shoot more rounds into the air than all of the people in the middle east combined
03:27 < jihaaaad> I'd wager that's incorrect
03:27 < jihaaaad> Islamic governments pretty routinely issue fatwas against it
03:27 < jihaaaad> which, of course, nobody listens to
03:27 < jihaaaad> Celebratory gunfire is a pretty well-established tradition
03:28 < fenn> hmm so you connected alligator clips to HV and it sparked and you are surprised?
03:35 < jonathan_> what?
03:35 < jonathan_> dc supplies are grounded.  
03:35 < jonathan_> even tho it is unpowered.
03:35 < jonathan_> circuit still exists.
03:35 < bkero> DC supplies are a voltage potential to a ground(sometimes earth)
03:36 < jonathan_> not lab supplies
03:36 < jonathan_> ground is ground
03:36 < jonathan_> not "a ground".  it is THE ground.
03:36 < bkero> DC supplies positive terminal is a positive voltage potential above a negative.
03:37 < bkero> You can have a positive terminal of +5v, and a negative of +2v, and you would have a nominal +3v
03:37 < bkero> (your output would be a nominal +3v).  That's what's referred to as a floating ground IIRC
03:39 < jonathan_> usually not on a lab supply....
03:39 < jonathan_> lab supply black plug is usually connected to earth internally
03:39 < kanzure> Heh. So last minute studiers are emailing the vocab class. "But it would be GREAT if anyone could tell me if we are supposed to only know the words of the musculoskeltal system and the other systems, or are we supposed to know where they go on a body? " 
03:39 < jonathan_> to float it, you need to use TWO supplies ganged together
03:40 < kanzure> That particular student needs to go back to studying der musculoskel-tal system.
03:47 < jihaaaad> bkero: this particular one was not plugged in
03:48 < fenn> vocab class? arent you an engineering student?
03:48 < jihaaaad> BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING YOU FUCKING FAG
03:49 < kanzure> required social/humanities credit, so I opted for "medical and scientific terminology" instead of "classics of civilization" and so on
03:49 < fenn> good morning to you too
03:49 < jihaaaad> NO LONGER IS SCIENCE RELEGATED TO EXAMINING YOUR MOM'S COLD, UNFEELING VAGINA
03:49 < jihaaaad> Morning, fenn :D
05:02 -!- jihaaaad is now known as Star_and_Sun
05:04 -!- Star_and_Sun is now known as jihaaaaaaad
06:46 < jonathan_> does anyone here study dna in detail
07:10 < jihaaaaaaad> jonathan_: Pretty much everyone in here does
07:10 < jihaaaaaaad> kanzure is our resident geneticist, though
07:11 < jihaaaaaaad> you're apparently our resident FAGGOT
07:11 < jonathan_> why is dna sequencing so difficult?
07:11 < jihaaaaaaad> Because you're building molecule by molecule.
07:11 < jihaaaaaaad> Genetic sequencing machines are the first real nanotechnology.
07:11 < jonathan_> nono i mean measuring dna, not creating dna
07:11 < jihaaaaaaad> because it's more or less picking them apart base pair by base pair
07:12 < jihaaaaaaad> It's serial, not parallel
07:12 < jihaaaaaaad> which means it's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW
07:14 -!- chizu_ is now known as chizu
07:14 < jihaaaaaaad> so
07:14 < jihaaaaaaad> that's why
07:14 < jihaaaaaaad> ...
07:14 < jihaaaaaaad> fag
07:16 < jonathan_> not sure I get it
07:16 < jihaaaaaaad> Basically
07:17 < jihaaaaaaad> You need to pick apart each molecule, right?
07:17 < jihaaaaaaad> And then determine what it is
07:17 < jihaaaaaaad> i imagine they do that with some sort of mass spec
07:17 < jonathan_> I am thinking of the gels
07:18 < jonathan_> they work on different principles
07:18 < jihaaaaaaad> oh
07:18 < jihaaaaaaad> well
07:18 < jihaaaaaaad> fuck you
07:20 < fenn> gels isnt exactly "in detail"
07:21 < jihaaaaaaad> yeah, FAG
07:21 < jihaaaaaaad> listen to fenn
07:22 < fenn> sequencing isn't difficult, but most new methods are proprietary (patented) and so people dont have access to them
07:22 < fenn> or something like that
07:22 < jihaaaaaaad> YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SHIT
07:22 < jihaaaaaaad> SO
07:22 < UtopiahGHML> fuck patents.
07:22 < jihaaaaaaad> FUCKIN THERE
07:23 < fenn> i also dont have a chip fab or lasers etc etc
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> UtopiahGHML: I've always thought that I'd build patented machines and just not sell them
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> Use them for my own work.
07:23 < fenn> technically you arent allowed to do even that
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> Wait
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> Who cares about allowed?
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> Remember, I'm an adamant black hat?
07:23 < fenn> only for "purposes of education"
07:23 < fenn> why not sell them too?
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> I really don't much care about intellectual property law
07:23 < jihaaaaaaad> because
07:24 < jihaaaaaaad> that's a great way to go to prison forever
07:24 < UtopiahGHML> jihaaaaaaad: corporations are already doing that but don't even take the time to build and use, they do creativity meeting just to patent potential useful things , it's like pre-emptive strike...
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> UtopiahGHML: Then they file their patents, then you download the patents and build the machine on your own
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> if you dare
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> and
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> since you're such a nigger
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> you mightn't 
07:25 < jihaaaaaaad> God, I hate black people
07:25 < jonathan_> wait
07:26 < jonathan_> if these new methods are patented
07:26 < jonathan_> then they are public
07:26 < jihaaaaaaad> Yes.
07:26 < jonathan_> so what is an example
07:26 < fenn> something along those lines. having a patent doesnt necessarily mean they explain how to build the machine in the patent
07:26 < jihaaaaaaad> One thing that bugs me about this channel is our completely pussy stance on blatantly illegal activities
07:26 < jihaaaaaaad> May I remind you all that you're bioHACKERS?
07:26 < UtopiahGHML> they have to explain the innovation though but basicallt they use methods like Triz I think
07:27 < fenn> jihaaaaaaad: where did you get the idea we condemn illegal activities?
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> I don't give a fuck what the White Hat Cocksucking Machine says, hackers do bad, illegal things and I'm goddamn proud of it
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> fenn: you guys didn't even curse till kanzure invited me
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> I just made it feel so good to be so bad
07:27 < fenn> so?
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> anyway
07:27 < UtopiahGHML> Joel's friend the 22/08/08
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> as bioHACKERS, you should do bad, illegal things
07:27 < UtopiahGHML> * InnovationLabs * by Nathan Myrvochld (from Microsoft) writer of the NewYoekerMag * idea of patents fiesta where people are gathered to patent the result of their brainstorming 
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> but
07:27 < jihaaaaaaad> uh
07:28 < wrldpc2> uh
07:28 < jihaaaaaaad> try to not kill us all
07:28 < UtopiahGHML> (didn't explore that but a friend explained me that few months ago)
07:28 < jihaaaaaaad> Write a benign virus that inserts shout-outs into people's DNA!
07:28 < jihaaaaaaad> Tint animals pink!
07:28 < UtopiahGHML> "hackers do bad, illegal things" ...
07:28 < jonathan_> - they use methods like Triz I think
07:28 < wrldpc2> ...
07:28 < jonathan_> what's that
07:28 < jihaaaaaaad> UtopiahGHML: Don't listen to the whitewashed bullshit.
07:29 < jihaaaaaaad> people say oh we're just little security elves tee hee
07:29 < jihaaaaaaad> no
07:29 < jihaaaaaaad> fuck those guys
07:29 < jihaaaaaaad> never even seen x86 ISA
07:29 < wrldpc2> Jihad can you hijack satellite transmissions?
07:29 < UtopiahGHML> jonathan_: innovation method, basically you have a matrice of processes and of technical solution and you see what could work, you end up generation solutions you never thought about before thus potentially innoavting
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> Hijack, no. Intercept, read, and MAYBE POSSIBLY send packets to LOCALLY, yeah
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> I'd need fairly expensive equipment though.
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> why?
07:30 < wrldpc2> does anyone have the link to the young mice aging after the brain injections from old mice that bryan posted earlier?
07:30 < fenn> bleah this website sucks. anyway jonathan_ watch the demo: http://www.pacificbiosciences.com/
07:30 < wrldpc2> <--- aging is a disease
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> who's bryan 
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> i only know a kanzure
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> THIS IS THE INTERNET
07:30 < jihaaaaaaad> YOU HAVE NO NAME
07:31 < wrldpc2> he runs the chan.
07:31 < wrldpc2> ...
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> I know.
07:31 < wrldpc2> no i don't think you do.
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> yes
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> i do
07:31 < wrldpc2> no actually.
07:31 < wrldpc2> you don't.
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> yeah, I do
07:31 < fenn> no really!
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> i'm percent
07:31 < jihaaaaaaad> remember?
07:31 < wrldpc2> no, REALLY.
07:31 < fenn> 100%
07:31 -!- jihaaaaaaad is now known as percent_
07:31 < wrldpc2> oh
07:31 < percent_> remember that douche?
07:31 < percent_> i'm that guy
07:31 < wrldpc2> fuck you
07:31 < percent_> fuck you, FAG
07:31 < wrldpc2> heh
07:32  * fenn starts whistling "battle of the trolls"
07:32 < wrldpc2> you're wylin
07:32 < wrldpc2> are you on meth right now?
07:32 < wrldpc2> amphetamines?
07:32 < percent_> are you asking me to SHIT all over your CHEST, wrldpc2
07:32 < wrldpc2> caffeine?
07:32 < percent_> Hell, when am I not on meth?
07:32 -!- percent_ is now known as jihaaad
07:32 < wrldpc2> ...
07:32 < jihaaad> The scary part is, I'm entirely sober.
07:32 < wrldpc2> What's your concentration?
07:32 < jonathan_> phospholinked nucleotides
07:33 < jihaaad> My density is about the same as that of water
07:33 < wrldpc2> ...
07:33 < jihaaad> oh
07:33 < jihaaad> you want to know what i do
07:33 < jihaaad> I am made of nanoscience, I eat, sleep, and breathe CVD, specifically, PE-CVD
07:33 < fenn> what's PE?
07:33 < jihaaad> plasma ENHANCED
07:34 < jihaaad> for natural enhancement of your nanotubes
07:34 < wrldpc2> I went to this Jim Collins lecture today
07:34 < jonathan_> read through a 70nm tube
07:34 < UtopiahGHML> hey what do you think of Susan's Blackmore idea about Temes (after Genes and Memes), she presented it during TED (video here http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_blackmore_on_memes_and_temes.html )
07:34 < jihaaad> 70nm wide...?
07:34 < jihaaad> That's wider than an SNOM probe
07:34 < jihaaad> not ace
07:34 < jihaaad> gayce
07:34 < wrldpc2> So you do meth.
07:35 < jihaaad> or  70nm long? then it'd be only a few nm wide
07:35 < jihaaad> to maintain a 40:1 aspect ratio typical of most tubes
07:36 < jihaaad> wrldpc2: at least i'm not gay
07:36 < jihaaad> like you
07:36 < jihaaad> what are you good at
07:36 < jihaaad> huh?
07:36 < jihaaad> are you published?
07:36 < jihaaad> DO YOU FUCKIN DO CANCER RESEARCH I THINK NOT
07:36 < wrldpc2> I'm heterosexual.
07:36 < fenn> cancer research.. 
07:36 < jihaaad> wrldpc2: No, you're gay.
07:37 < wrldpc2> No I'm not.
07:37 < jihaaad> Tomorrow, you can be straight if I declare someone else gay.
07:37 < wrldpc2> LOLwtf
07:37 < jihaaad> Sorry, that's how it is here.
07:37 < wrldpc2> I don't live in your head, man!  I actually exist!
07:37 < jihaaad> I dare you to prove that.
07:37 < UtopiahGHML> so, anobody? maybe you've read Richard Dawkins The Selfish Gene, it's on the same line of thoughts
07:37 < wrldpc2> LOL call me 617 335 6457
07:37 < jihaaad> A lofty statement from someone I'm making up!
07:37 < wrldpc2> HAH!
07:37 < wrldpc2> I'm not a Dawkins fan.
07:37 < jihaaad> How do I know I won't just convince myself I'm talking to someone on the phone?
07:38 < wrldpc2> He's cool ...
07:38 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: watching it
07:38 < wrldpc2> enough.
07:38 < jihaaad> plus
07:38 < jihaaad> you just dropped your docs up in hurr
07:38 < jihaaad> not smart
07:38 < wrldpc2> ..
07:38 < jonathan_> 70nm waveguide made of glass.   measurement uses 20E-21 L volumes
07:38 < wrldpc2> wtf r u going to do?
07:38 < jonathan_> that's small
07:38 < wrldpc2> I'll send you a vial of blood.
07:38 < jihaaad> Uh, potentially?
07:38 < UtopiahGHML> wrldpc2: well Im taking about the idea of self-rep, genes, etc... not he's anti-religion nearly fanatic side (even if I kind of agree with him)
07:38 < wrldpc2> UH POTENTIALLY
07:38 < jihaaad> Completely fuck your life up. 
07:39 < jihaaad> Either way
07:39 < wrldpc2> MY name is Benjamin Peterson
07:39 < jihaaad> There's no way you can prove you exist.
07:39 < wrldpc2> I live at 49 Thomas St. Belmont MA 02478
07:39 < wrldpc2> My SSN is 018 70 2725
07:39 < wrldpc2> I was born 3/22/1981
07:39 < wrldpc2> You fucking pussy.
07:39 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: ok :)
07:39 < jihaaad> Pussy?
07:39 < jihaaad> Oh no
07:39 < wrldpc2> Call me coward.
07:39 < jihaaad> you did NOT just go internet tough guy on me
07:39 < wrldpc2> oh yes
07:39 < wrldpc2> oh i went there
07:39 < wrldpc2> i'm there
07:39 < jonathan_> what kind of photo detector can detect a single phosporic event like that?
07:40 < wrldpc2> heh
07:40 < wrldpc2> STOP
07:40 < jihaaad> No :D
07:40 < UtopiahGHML> jonathan_: could you hijack a plant? I mean is the technology small enough to shortcircuit plants natural functions like... their detectors let's imagine? (candid question but Im curious)
07:40 < wrldpc2> >:(
07:41 < wrldpc2> biotch
07:41 < jihaaad> or what
07:41 < jihaaad> you do realize i'm a huge black guy, right?
07:41 < wrldpc2> i don't give a fuck
07:41 < jihaaad> SO WHAT, WHITEY
07:41 < jonathan_> and obama will win the white house. whatever
07:42 < UtopiahGHML> you guys should do sports, really it helps to clear the mind unlike online faked violence aka trolling.
07:42 < jihaaad> Is your cell phone STILL working?
07:42 < wrldpc2> Congratulations, percent.
07:42 < jihaaad> UtopiahGHML: I meditate.
07:42 < wrldpc2> now send a message to everyone.
07:42 < jihaaad> And do sports, but I recently started meditating. 
07:42 < wrldpc2> in the world.
07:43 < wrldpc2> with a cell phone.
07:43 < jihaaad> wrldpc2: I fail to see the relevance
07:43 < wrldpc2> the relevance!?  You just message bombed my cell phone!
07:43 < jihaaad> Clearly, such a message would only reach those with methods of modern information conveyance 
07:43 < wrldpc2> He's doing it again.
07:43 < jihaaad> I did no such thing
07:43 < jihaaad> I am not
07:43 < jihaaad> what are you talking about
07:44 < wrldpc2> I'm turning you in to the authorities if you do that to me again.
07:44 < jihaaad> oh god
07:44 < jihaaad> please
07:44 < jihaaad> don't
07:44 < wrldpc2> They'll cancel your AIM.
07:44 < jihaaad> CANCEL MY AIM!?!!?!?
07:44 < jihaaad> OH
07:44 < jihaaad> GOD NO
07:44 < jihaaad> NO
07:44 < jonathan_> i'm not sure I get the detection part.
07:44 < jihaaad> NOT MY AIM
07:44 < jihaaad> MY AIM?!?!?!?!
07:44 < jihaaad> GUYS
07:45 < wrldpc2> You don't care about your AIM?
07:45 < jihaaad> HE'S GONNA GET THE AUTHORITIES TO CANCEL MY AIM
07:45 < jihaaad> fuck no, douchebag
07:45 < jihaaad> AIM accounts take three seconds to create and i never use them for more than a week or so
07:45 < wrldpc2> So you wouldn't care if you never had it again?
07:45 < jihaaad> No, dipshit. I don't cling to an identity. 
07:46 < wrldpc2> I don't think you're understanding me.
07:46 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: i love the wardenclyffe brain towers :)
07:46 < jihaaad> Oh, I do. 
07:46 < jihaaad> I think you think I care about an AIM account
07:46 < wrldpc2> You wouldn't care if you could never use AIM again forever?
07:46 < jihaaad> hahaha
07:46 < jihaaad> guys
07:46 < jihaaad> did you hear that one
07:46 < jihaaad> wrldpc2: When I want on AIM, I'll get on AIM.
07:46 < wrldpc2> It's an honest question.
07:46 < jihaaad> That's what god invented proxies for.
07:47 < wrldpc2> I don't think you should be so brash.
07:47 < wrldpc2> You're acting irrationally. 
07:47 < UtopiahGHML> jonathan_: well a plant is bunch of functions that in the end make it sustain for a certain time. What if you could connect to the information paths (whatever the resulting form would be, probably fluids) of the plant to use them?
07:47 < jihaaad> Well, at least you're not making dumb threats anyore
07:47 < jihaaad> wrldpc2: No, I'm acting arrogantly. 
07:47 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: yep it's a great visual
07:47 < jihaaad> Everyone else in here can tolerate the fact that I'm an asshat. 
07:47 < jonathan_> i dont think so.....  this is very small
07:47 < wrldpc2> Arrogantly too, yes.
07:47 < jihaaad> I pull my ow weight and I know my shit. 
07:47 < jihaaad> *Own.
07:48 < jihaaad> Beyond that, what else matters?
07:48 < UtopiahGHML> jonathan_: ok so as I said before the bottleneck is miniaturization?
07:49 < jihaaad> UtopiahGHML: Welcome to 1967
07:49 < jihaaad> Feynman more or less said that
07:49 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: cats have language but not big brains, so uh.. yeah
07:49 < jihaaad> may he rest in peace 
07:49 < jonathan_> this article explains it a little bit  http://www.in-sequence.com/issues/2_7/webreprints/145257-1.html
07:50 < UtopiahGHML> jihaaad: well I know nothing about biology so arriving in 1967 is already a great achievement for me :D
07:50 < jonathan_> - However, some attenuated light forms an evanescent field just inside the well near its bottom, creating a tiny illuminated detection volume of 20 zeptoliters, small enough to observe a single molecule of DNA polymerase holding on to a nucleotide, but no surrounding fluorescent molecules.
07:50 < jihaaad> Ha, I was talking about "There's Plenty Of Room At the Bottom"
07:50 < jonathan_> So that's what zL is
07:50 < jihaaad> Feynman's paper. THE paper.
07:50 < jonathan_> I read some article that said 10 uL - zL
07:50 < jihaaad> you just say
07:50 < jihaaad> feynman's paper
07:50 < jihaaad> and
07:50 < jonathan_> I never heard of zL before
07:50 < jihaaad> you fuckin know whats u
07:50 < jihaaad> p
07:51 < jihaaad> you know
07:51 < jihaaad> that cat be talkin about that other car
07:51 < jihaaad> *cat
07:51 < jihaaad> feynman
07:52 < jihaaad> you see feynman's name
07:52 < jihaaad> and your like
07:52 < jihaaad> nano-SCIEEEENCEEEEE
07:52 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: so what do you think about the video?
07:52 < fenn> um. british accent
07:52 < fenn> blue hair
07:53 < fenn> i havent really digested it yet
07:53 < UtopiahGHML> I do enjoy the british accent, it makes it so... classy/passe :P
07:53 < fenn> other species imitate but dont have this "meme infestation"
07:53 < fenn> or so she says
07:54 < jihaaad> I hate the idea of a "British Accent"
07:54 < jihaaad> I get mistaken for having one of these phantom things all the time because of my speaking cadence and choice of words
07:54 < jihaaad> A lot of people think well-spoken = British
07:54 < fenn> "temes" == another lame word
07:55 < jihaaad> And they don't differentiate between South London, Cockney, and the most beautiful form of English, Received Pronunciation 
07:55 < jihaaad> so
07:55 < jihaaad> fuckin douchebags
07:56 < jonathan_> a single-photon-sensitive CCD array, a monochrome detector. 
07:56 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: yep but the concept, self-rep and the battle over resources whatever the living substrate of the "organism", what do you think of it?
07:56 < jonathan_> ah
07:56 < jonathan_> I dont think they have single-photon CCDs at frys
07:58 < jihaaad> jonathan_: I've seen them done before
07:58 < jihaaad> You just need a hardcore attenuated laser
07:58 < jonathan_> damn
07:58 < jihaaad> and any old CCD should work
07:58 < jonathan_> i keep hitting the "clear window" button in this client
07:58 < jihaaad> asshole
07:59 < jonathan_> why on earth wouold the developers put that button there
07:59 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: bleh more pop science ready for being misconstrued by ignorant fucks
08:00 < jihaaad> What client?
08:00 < jonathan_> colloquy
08:00 < jonathan_> os/x
08:00 < jonathan_> ok i fixed it
08:00 < jonathan_> anyway
08:00 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: ok, what's the incoherence in this theory?
08:01 < jonathan_> I wonder if this fluorescent label method could be used in water-oil emulsion dna membranes
08:01 < jihaaad> colloquy sucks
08:01 < jihaaad> I use it
08:01 < fenn> "will corporations kill us all?"
08:01 < jonathan_> all this nano zL stuff is hard to do
08:01 < jihaaad> but i may just migrate 
08:02 < jonathan_> if each water-oil emulsion droplet contained ONE dna
08:03 < jonathan_> similar to their nanopore guides
08:03 < jonathan_> - The price of the instrument will likely be in the range of that of 454's Genome Sequencer, Illumina's Genome Analyzer, or ABI's SOLiD system, which currently sell for between $400,000 and $600,000. 
08:03 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: 1 problem is she totally ignores human biases such as tribalism, self-preservation, self-aggrandizement, etc
08:03 < jonathan_> that's pricey
08:04 < jonathan_> I want one for like $250 US
08:04 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: and then she just sort of skips to temes embodied in robots or something.. (no squishy warm bodies)
08:05 < UtopiahGHML> well if they have a competitive advantage, despite all the human biased strategy, what difference does it make?
08:05 < jonathan_> anyway dna sequencing seems like, the problems are, 1) separating one single molecule to measure it;  2) getting it to do something to measure it;  3) measuring it
08:06 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: a huge difference, this is why we have political debates about morality and fairness
08:08 < UtopiahGHML> as in political debates having an impact on anything?!
08:08 < fenn> ok so we're losing that battle..
08:08 < jihaaad> night
08:09 < UtopiahGHML> well I don't know how accurate/realistic her idea/theory is, I just find it interesting as it sounds coherent to me
08:14 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.metaefficient.com/transportation/300mpg-aptera-car.html it looks like spermatozoide, mimetic everything :-#
08:16 < fenn> aptera is sweet
08:17 < fenn> it's anti-memetic, form actually derived from function for once
08:17 < jonathan_> looks liek the wheels will fall off
08:18 < jonathan_> each front wheel is a motor right?
08:18 < fenn> i'd rather the wheel fall off than crack my skull open
08:18 < fenn> crash energy is absorbed when "the wheel falls off"
08:19 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: I said mimetic as in bio mimicry as in inspiring yourself from thousands of years of natural evolution regarding optimization (thus yes form following the function as the sperm like the car should be efficient to travel in a certain space)
08:21 < fenn> it doesnt look anything like a sperm
08:21 < fenn> jonathan_: rear wheel has electric motor, also a gasoline generator
08:22 < fenn> series plug-in-hybrid
08:22 < fenn> (i think they should have done diesel, but meh)
08:22 < jonathan_> i'd rather have electric speedbike
08:22 < fenn> i'd rather have a fusion powered rocket
08:22 < jonathan_> how much does it weigh
08:23 < jonathan_> all that extra body weight
08:23 < UtopiahGHML> jonathan_: http://ampedbikes.com/
08:23 < fenn> 1480lb
08:23 < jonathan_> like a big battery case with wheels attached and seats on top is all
08:23 < fenn> are you trying to say 1480lb is heavy?
08:24 < jonathan_> yes
08:24 < fenn> ok
08:24 < jonathan_> without batteries right?
08:24 < fenn> uh, i think that's with batts
08:24 < jonathan_> heat pump for a/c?  wonder how well that works in florida
08:26 < jonathan_> faq - Since the Aptera is classified as a motorcycle, do you have to wear a helmet or get an endorsement on my license?
08:26 < jonathan_> so technically its a motorcycle eh
08:26 < fenn> varies by state
08:26 < fenn> because it has three wheels
08:26 < fenn> apparently Pi is 3 and tomatoes are vegetables too
08:27 < fenn> so, technically it's not a motorcycle, but legally it is
08:28 < jonathan_> which is more dangerous to the environment.  burning gasoline or dumping dead batteries into landfills
08:30 < fenn> depends what kind of batteries and what kind of landfills
08:31 < fenn> carbon manganese batts are basically dirt
08:32 < jonathan_> need some diy bacteria to eat the lithium ones i guess
08:32 < fenn> also, cars are generally not put into landfills since it's profitable to recycle them
08:32 < fenn> lithium = sea salt
08:33 < fenn> supposedly nickel batteries are environmentally friendly but i dont really see why
08:33 < fenn> cadmium is horrible awful stuff, worse than lead
08:36 < jonathan_> lithium = explosive. from what i remember of chem class
08:37 < fenn> yep
08:38 < fenn> Nickel has been demonstrated to be an essential nutrient for some mammalian species, and it has been suggested that it may also be essential for human nutrition.
08:38 < fenn> huh.
08:40 < jonathan_> nickels only cost 0.05 so cheaper than a big mac
08:40 < jonathan_> marinate first for better flavor
08:42 < fenn> what's surprising is that aptera seems to be committed to the < $30k price tag
08:44 < fenn> oops, i guess it was originally $20k
09:08 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: you talked about form following the function, do you have any idea of lib/API that would do that for software, as in using GraphViz on data that would automatically choose the representation based on meta-data
09:18 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: yes i am building it (supposedly)
09:19 < fenn> SKDB + GA
09:19 < UtopiahGHML> can I query it online?
09:23 < UtopiahGHML> sending a data to display + meta-data and have a graph without enterting directly any visual information (like a shape or a color)
09:23 < fenn> no you may not!
09:24 < fenn> oh wait, you mean designing software UI?
09:24 < fenn> that's lame
09:25 < UtopiahGHML> was thinking content and later UI
09:25 < fenn> i guess you could play around with libglade, shuffle the xml around
09:25 < UtopiahGHML> (since it could be derived form the content)
09:26 < fenn> but most UI problems derive from bad code
09:26 < fenn> i dont know what you mean by content
09:28 < UtopiahGHML> let's imagine a graph with meta-data saying each node is a person
09:29 < UtopiahGHML> so it would use Graphviz to build the visual but thanks to meta-data either draw a little guy or fetch a person picture let's imagine
09:29 < fenn> ok i'm sure such things exist
09:30 < UtopiahGHML> cool
09:30 < fenn> if my name memory were up to par i could point you to one
09:30 < fenn> or you could dig around in here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=social%20network%20visualization&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
09:32 < fenn> i guess i have no idea what you're getting at
09:32 < UtopiahGHML> or http://www.cs.unm.edu/~vail/ or http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/
09:32 < UtopiahGHML> ok you have GraphViz right?
09:32 < fenn> sure
09:33 < UtopiahGHML> so when you want to build a visual representation you send data to GraphViz right?
09:33 < fenn> yes, in the form of a dot file
09:34 < UtopiahGHML> now you usually add other information to say that value under X should be red or that node should be circle, right?
09:34 < fenn> yes and i think you can even do pictures *wow*
09:34 < UtopiahGHML> incredible
09:34 < fenn> mind blowing
09:34 < fenn> somebody call the internet police
09:35 < UtopiahGHML> now, what about NOT adding GraphViz that it sould be red but instead "bad"?
09:35 < UtopiahGHML> s/adding/telling/
09:35 < fenn> "bad"?
09:35 < fenn> (one of the most ambiguous words in english)
09:36 < fenn> subjective i should say
09:36 < UtopiahGHML> any word that would have a meaning instead of only a visual represention from which you derive a meaning
09:36 < fenn> ok, some semantic content
09:36 < UtopiahGHML> yes, thus meta-data
09:37 < UtopiahGHML> thus you provide data (network) + meta-data (semantic description)
09:37 < fenn> metadata just means data about data
09:37 < UtopiahGHML> and GraphViz give you the graph
09:37 < fenn> if the semantic content _is_ the data, it's not metadata
09:37 < UtopiahGHML> well what's a semantic description of content if not data about data?
09:38 < fenn> anyway, words
09:38 < fenn> so, what does this have to do with form following function?
09:40 < UtopiahGHML> you describe the function and the forms get drawn
09:40 < fenn> these guys have some neat stuff (one of the graphs on visualcomplexity): http://graphics.uni-konstanz.de/publikationen/
09:41 < fenn> i especially like the non-photorealistic rendering
09:46 < UtopiahGHML> damn it, why guys in the valley think PDT is the universal time... wtf
09:47 < fenn> mm.. universal time is a tough concept
09:47 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.dipity.com/utopiah/personal/embed_tl?
09:47 < fenn> consider that you may be composed of atoms from different stars, and different histories of time distortion
09:47 < UtopiahGHML> "anyway, words"
09:47 < fenn> er, time dilation
09:48 < fenn> it's not such a problem on earth yet
09:49 < fenn> you know you can probably change your timezone
09:49 < UtopiahGHML> I did but the source file doesn't have an explicit timezone so by default it uses PDT
09:51 < fenn> i'm actually surprised this works with my browser at all: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/utopiah-dipity.png
09:52 < UtopiahGHML> looks... dark but yep, it works, nice
09:53 < UtopiahGHML> (thank you for the screenshot btw)
09:54 < UtopiahGHML> it's based on the RSS feed of my wiki
09:54 < UtopiahGHML> Im looking for visualization so that contributer can see visual timeline of their projects
09:56 < UtopiahGHML> ideally I would call Dipity API to add rendering of the wiki pages and this have a visual evolution over time
09:56 < fenn> this is cool (page rank for images): http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project_details.cfm?id=596&index=596&domain=
09:57 < fenn> the graph edges are totally useless though
09:57 < UtopiahGHML> makes it more trendy networky
09:57 < UtopiahGHML> but VC is overall a very interesting site
09:59 < UtopiahGHML> btw since you like semantic over meta-data, heard any recommandation/paper on having user-friendly semantic-wiki? guidelines to stay end-user oriented but still be able to "harness the mighty power of the semantic web 3.0 buzzword buzzword"?
10:01 < fenn> nope
10:01 < fenn> and i dont think semantic classification will ever be "end user friendly"
10:02 < fenn> first you have to learn the syntax, then you have to learn the ontology
10:02 < UtopiahGHML> yep Im afraid but basically I want a semantic wiki that I could "query" based on data that my friend could simple "click-edit"
10:03 < fenn> it's not like tagging where you just get a big blob of folksonomy
10:03 < fenn> the idea is to be able to run it through (relatively) brittle code
11:48 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/janine_benyus_shares_nature_s_designs.html
11:53 < kanzure> http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2008_10_17/caredit.a0800151
11:53 < kanzure> No mention of us.
11:54 < kanzure> Article on synthetic biology opportunities. Huge list.
11:54 < kanzure> Completely ignores us.
12:02 < kanzure> http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=152531 "yeah, but your mew has to be a super saiyan to get it." good times.
12:15 < faceface> can I change the edge thickness in graphviz?
12:35 < kanzure> ho ho ho .. presentation cancelled ... yay putting off studying for the midterm in place of doing the presentation ..
14:40  * UtopiahGHML is looking for a FOSS equivalent of iThink/Stella (modelling+simu)
14:41 < bkero> shake
14:42 < UtopiahGHML> ?
14:46 < UtopiahGHML> (maybe OpenModellica even if it seems more meca oriented)
15:09 < bkero> http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v362/184/115/739175217/n739175217_1899608_601.jpg manpurse
15:20 < jonathan_> so I just read about the history of the discovery of PCR.
15:20 < jonathan_> it's a bit whacky
15:20 < bkero> This piece of DNA just keeps replicating!!!
15:20 < bkero> What do we do?
15:22 < jonathan_> seemingly, 1) it is thought of as an obvious idea (it is rather obvious)...  2)  no one thought of it before mullis; 3) mullis is seemingly not so reputable of a scientist
15:22 < jonathan_> ?
15:23 < jonathan_> bio is so strange
16:04 < kanzure_1_> What is reputability?
16:05 < UtopiahGHML> popularity/social validation
16:05 < bkero> Ethos
16:05 < UtopiahGHML> same root as reputation sa guess
18:24 < xp_prg> kanzure you here man?
18:33 < xp_prg> is anyone here?
18:36 < procto> does anyone know IRC channels with marine engineers in them?
18:37 < xp_prg> procto hey man!
18:37 < procto> howdy
18:37 < xp_prg> procto quick question, what other cells beside e-coli are used for synthetic biology?
18:38 < procto> I think yeast is used sometimes, too
18:38 < procto> but most it's e.coli
18:38 < procto> it's all about making cells competent
18:39 < procto> http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/Products-and-Services/Applications/Cloning/Transformation/Chemically-Competent.html
18:39 < procto> there's a list of cells that invitrogen cells
18:39 < procto> all of those are ecoli afaict
18:40 < procto> yeah, all e.coli
18:40 < procto> but yeah, I've seen yeast used, too
18:40 < xp_prg> ok thanks!
18:40 < wrldpc2> collins talked a lot about e. coli last night at BU.
18:41 < wrldpc2> procto how was the last diybio boston meeting?  i couldn't go, cold.
18:42 < procto> I couldn't go either
18:42 < procto> it also sounded like more of a lecture meeting than a participatory one
18:42 < procto> so I didn't feel too bad about it :>
19:20 < UtopiahGHML> what do "marine engineers" do?
19:42 < wrldpc2> kanzure do you have hte link to the brain injection mouse study on instantiated aging?
19:58 < kanzure_1_> wrldpc2: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ check the file with the word 'artificial' in the name.
19:59 < procto> UtopiahGHML: build marine structures. a naval architect would also suffice.
19:59 < procto> they're roughly the same thing, except that as with buildings, the latter specializes in designing overall plans, while the latter specializes in figuring out how to implement those plans.
19:59 < kanzure_1_> xp_prg: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ check the file about 'ecoli' (in the file name) - it talks about alternatives to ecoli
20:00 < kanzure_1_> procto: you used "latter" twice.
20:00 < kanzure_1_> ambiguity.
20:00  * procto is working on designs for EphemerIsle (http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/ephemerisle/index.html)
20:00 < procto> the second latter should be "former"
20:05 < xp_prg> kanzure I just sent you biobench .001!
20:05 < xp_prg> check your email
20:07 < kanzure_1_> Give me a moment.
20:07 < xp_prg> k
20:07 < UtopiahGHML> procto: is it a project similar to Patris' Friedman project?
20:09 < kanzure_1_> Why the fuck is it in flash?
20:09 < xp_prg> cuz of how dynamic the application is
20:09 < kanzure_1_> bullshit
20:09 < xp_prg> dude did you see it though?!
20:10 < kanzure_1_> I can't open this.
20:10 < xp_prg> you don't have a flash enabled broswer?
20:10 < procto> UtopiahGHML: that page is written by him
20:10 < kanzure_1_> No. Why would I?
20:10 < xp_prg> to watch youtube and other stuff etc...
20:10 < UtopiahGHML> procto: guess it is then :)
20:10 < procto> UtopiahGHML: it's one of the events that the seasteading institute is trying to get going
20:10 < UtopiahGHML> ok, cool
20:10 < procto> UtopiahGHML: though TSI will not be official "organizing" in any capacity to reduce liability
20:11 < procto> I went to the Seasteading conference a few weeks ago
20:11 < procto> stayed at Patri's house :>
20:12 < xp_prg> kanzure can you get flash so you can look at it? :(
20:12 < procto> xp_prg: link me?
20:13 < xp_prg> I will forward the files to you procto, what is your email?
20:13 < kanzure_1_> Hold on.
20:13 < kanzure_1_> I'm uploading.
20:14 < procto> kk
20:14 < procto> waiting for upload :>
20:14 < procto> xp_prg: my email is on the diybio mailing list, iirc. I'm Mike K
20:15 < xp_prg> well I don't have that handy, just give it to me here real quick and I will forward you the files
20:17 < procto> kanzure_1_: what's the upload status?
20:17 < kanzure_1_> Uhm, figuring out how to use sftp
20:18 < procto> xp_prg: see PM
20:19 < xp_prg> sent procto
20:20 < kanzure_1_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobench/
20:21 < procto> xp_prg: is it supposed to be just the menu bar?
20:21 < xp_prg> it is suppost to show a picture when you do file->new->cell->yeast
20:21 < xp_prg> no
20:21 < procto> ah, local files can't access remote files
20:21 < procto> that's a security model violation
20:22 < procto> you have to specifically allow
20:22 < procto> btw, I highly recommend you use Flex if you want to keep using flash
20:22 < procto> instead of working in .fla files
20:22 < xp_prg> procto I have no problem with that I am new to flash and need help understanding the best way to proceed, did you fix the security problem procto, do you see the picture?
20:23 < procto> I'm using bryan's uploaded
20:23 < procto> right... seems that doesn't work either
20:23 < procto> I believe that the code is simple enough to be done wholly within javascript
20:24 < kanzure_1_> why are you using flash.
20:24 < kanzure_1_> do you hate me?
20:25 < xp_prg> no, you will see the app is too complex for actionscript
20:25 < kanzure_1_> that's reason enough to avoid flash
20:25 < xp_prg> but I will be happy to try to do both
20:25 < kanzure_1_> the javascript is already written
20:25 < xp_prg> I mean too complex for javascript
20:25 < kanzure_1_> for the past two days I've been telling you that
20:25 < procto> uh... actionscript, which is what flash uses
20:25 < procto> relies on the SAME underlying standard: ECMAScript
20:26 < procto> the only addition that actionscript provides is an object system and a large library
20:26 < xp_prg> procto did you ever see the picture?
20:26 < procto> there is such an abundance of javascript libraries, that this is a feature of actionscript that is negligeable
20:26 < procto> xp_prg: nope
20:26 < procto> xp_prg: in ff it just sits there, saying it's transferring data from biologynews
20:27 < kanzure_1_> Also, the flash stuff fails with swf-plugin for firefox.
20:27 < procto> xp_prg: I have a debug version of flash, but only in IE it pops up a details error
20:27 < xp_prg> hmm... I will work on fixing that
20:27 < kanzure_1_> Don't. You don't have to.
20:28 < kanzure_1_> The javascript version already works.
20:28 < kanzure_1_> Do you remember what I was talking about yesterday? About interface1.php, interface2.php, interface3.php and the NetCDM files that they generate?
20:28 < kanzure_1_> http://synbioss.sf.net/
20:28 < xp_prg> ya, the javascript stuff you showed me was not as graphically oriented as you first described the application
20:29 < kanzure_1_> How so?
20:29 < xp_prg> you said you would show a picture of the cell and you would right click on the cell to add bio bricks etc..
20:29 < kanzure_1_> huh
20:29 < kanzure_1_> I did?
20:29 < xp_prg> yup
20:30 < kanzure_1_> why would you click on the cell?
20:30 < xp_prg> it was in the wiki
20:31 < kanzure_1_> What would the point of clicking on a cell be
20:32 < xp_prg> look at the wiki
20:32 < procto> xp_prg: can you link me to the image you were trying to load?
20:34 < xp_prg> procto I am fixing it hold on
20:44 < procto> http://logarchy.org/biobench.html
20:44 < procto> just implemented the demo functionality with jquery :>
20:44 < kanzure_1_> procto: Did you see the graph-easy stuff?
20:44 < kanzure_1_> uh
20:44 < kanzure_1_> what the hell are you doing?
20:44 < procto> kanzure_1_: hmm? no
20:44 < kanzure_1_> procto: That's not what we're doing here. :(
20:44 < procto> kanzure_1_: nothing, I just did exactly what the flash biobench does
20:44 < kanzure_1_> wtf, that's what it does?
20:44 < procto> kanzure_1_: I wasn't trying to create anything useful
20:44 < kanzure_1_> What's going on here?
20:44 < kanzure_1_> Why are we clicking on a picture of a cell??
20:45 < procto> kanzure_1_: I have no time for that, or I would've offered righ away
20:45 < kanzure_1_> This has nothing to do with the functionality.
20:45 < procto> kanzure_1_: do you have a doc describing what you need?
20:45 < procto> that is, a requirements document?
20:45 < kanzure_1_> procto: http://synbioss.sf.net/ Look at the 'designer'. What I need is that to be reverse engineered.
20:45 < kanzure_1_> And then I'll save all of you whining nonbrainers and do the AJAX crap myself.
20:46 < kanzure_1_> http://heybryan.org/graph/ (if you care) is the AJAX implementation.
20:46 < kanzure_1_> http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy/
20:46 < kanzure_1_> http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo/
20:47 < kanzure_1_> xp_prg: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Biobench
20:47 < kanzure_1_> Tell me what this mockup: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/skdb-mockup/select-icon.png has to do with clicking on a cell?
20:48 -!- kanzure_1_ is now known as kanzure__
20:52 < kanzure__> Anyway, the wiki is back up.
20:52 < kanzure__> For the record, the MySQL database had to be "repaired".
20:55 < kanzure__> Anybody know where biobricks.zip is?
20:57 < kanzure__> ping?
20:57 < xp_prg> I don't know where it is
20:58 < kanzure__> You don't have the logs.
20:58 < procto> I think that the problem is that there isn't a well defined requirements document
20:59 < kanzure__> The AJAX interface is practically done.
20:59 < kanzure__> So now the backend needs to be done. Do you know where the UMN neptune server is?
20:59 < kanzure__> Once those two aspects are done, the basic app is to a "version 1.0 look it actually works" stage.
21:01 < kanzure__> procto: if you want to write a requirements doc for that though, by all means ... it's just that the functionality is clearly already implemented on that server so now it's just a task of figuring out what the backend is.
21:01 < kanzure__> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php
21:02 < procto> are there rules for how the biobricks fit together?
21:02 < procto> i.e. what bricks can go and what can't?
21:02 < procto> and does the neptune server handle that already?
21:02 < kanzure__> The neptune server "handles" it. Yes. In a creative, annoying way. But yes.
21:02 < procto> those interface#.php pages
21:03 < kanzure__> yes
21:03 < procto> looking at the tutorial
21:03 < procto> seem to be mostly collecting data
21:03 < kanzure__> there's also tutorial# pages
21:03 < procto> or rather, only collecting data
21:03 < procto> then some funky process occurs behind the scenes, and voila, output file
21:03 < kanzure__> yes but I've already put all of the biobricks into some of those basic categories
21:03 < procto> so what you want is
21:03 < kanzure__> yeah
21:03 < kanzure__> I want the funky process
21:03 < procto> pretty interface for filling in those forms
21:03 < procto> and then
21:03 < kanzure__> see, I already have the biobrick classifications
21:03 < procto> something that draws the pretty picture
21:03 < kanzure__> apparently they somewhat have rules
21:04 < kanzure__> I already have pretty picture drawing, ignore it
21:04 < kanzure__> just think "SBML" or "nc" (preferably SBML)
21:04 < kanzure__> I did a dump of the biobricks servers .. look here: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobricks/cats/ 
21:04 < kanzure__> each one of those pages has all biobricks within that category
21:05 < kanzure__> I just need to do a regexp on it and I'll be able to say that there's a set that belong in each category, so that a user could select it or whatever
21:05 < kanzure__> since this sucks so much in the end I'll probably add a wiki iframe or somesuch to the ajax interface
21:05 < kanzure__> so that the user can read the machine-unparseable notes on the partsregistry.org wiki
21:06 < procto> ok... the design process that's going on is so alien to anything I've ever done I'd have to start from scratch
21:06 < procto> plus, I don't have all the bio to fully grok it
21:06 < procto> I think I'll leave work now :>
21:06 < kanzure__> show me that you need bio to grok it.
21:07 < kanzure__> I think this is just an annoying reverse engineering task at this point. reading through designer.pdf and such.
21:08 < kanzure__> http://synbioss.sourceforge.net/wp-content/uploads/supplement.pdf
21:10 < kanzure__> for later (me): http://code.google.com/p/dsmts/
21:14 < kanzure__> http://www.pronea.com/th.html transhuman comic?
21:15 < kanzure__> http://www.pronea.com/samples/TH1_preview.pdf
21:15 < xp_prg> sent you both new and improved, try it now!
21:18 < xp_prg> procto you seeing it?
21:18 < kanzure__> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobench/001/
21:19 < xp_prg> awsome!
21:19 < kanzure__> No. Still doesn't show anything.
21:19 < xp_prg> right click on the picture once it comes up
21:19 < xp_prg> file->new->cell->ecoli
21:19 < xp_prg> kanzure_ you don't see it?
21:19 < kanzure__> That's correct. I told you last time as well.
21:20 < xp_prg> it works for me just now at your link
21:20 < kanzure__> You don't have my setup.
21:20 < xp_prg> procto you here?
21:23 < xp_prg> just confirmed with someone else that it works!
21:31 < xp_prg> fenn you here?
21:45 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/Chandrayaan1 
21:45 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/Chandrayaan
21:45 < kanzure> "planets thought dead might be habitable" yawn http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081021-st-planets-tides.html
21:55 < kanzure>  "I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams."
22:19 < kanzure> ' Can fish survive by filter-feeding on microparticles? Energy balance in tilapia grazing on algal  '
22:27 < bkero> Hm, so I guess tea isn't actually a diuretic.
22:28 < willPow3r> its the caffeine thats the diuretic
22:34 < bkero> Right
22:34 < bkero> But the point was that it doesn't affect anybody who has even a slight caffeine tolerence.
22:36 < xp_prg> where is fenn these days?
22:38 < kanzure> Sleeping.
23:13 < kanzure> 'Mechanical behavior in cells consistent with the tensegrity model' http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/14/7765
23:15 < kanzure> Huh.
23:16 < kanzure> Microalgae generally resist up to 20 atmospheres of pressure and that the structures that allow this are as strong as concrete.
23:16 < kanzure> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~ychisti/CellDRev.pdf
23:16 < kanzure> Ah, this is Chisti.
23:29 < kanzure> Argh. Going in circles. http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=inurl%3Abiopoems+cell+lysis&btnG=Search
23:30 < kanzure> One of the results is: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/biotech/biotech-DIY__kanzure_2008-01-27_v1/oww/Biopoems:Research.html
23:30 < kanzure> http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/philipandpaul.pdf Cell Culture Array
23:30 < kanzure> http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/adrian-loc-open_access_patch.pdf Patch-clamp Array
23:30 < bkero> What do you guys think of Monsanto?
23:31 < kanzure> http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/Khine-Electroporation.pdf Single Cell Electroporation Array
23:31 < kanzure> Who?
23:31 < bkero> Monsanto
23:31 < kanzure> http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/DiCarlo-mechanical-LabChip2003.pdf Mechanical Cell Lysis
23:31 < kanzure> Hrm. These guys are fairly awesome.