--- Day changed Wed Dec 10 2008 00:02 < kanzure_> wtf, 18131: PSL was mentioned by me .. 00:16 < fenn> what do those numbes refer to? 00:16 < fenn> oh line numbers 00:18 < fenn> no not line numbers 00:21 < kanzure> I thought they were. 00:21 < kanzure> just type :number in vim. 00:23 < fenn> yes i just got confused 00:23 < kanzure_> ha! confusion by line numbers! 00:23 < fenn> i was looking for a paraphrase that i thought was a quote 00:24 < fenn> i dont think there should be a separate program for autospec anymore 00:25 < fenn> it should just be part of the code, like _validate() or whatever 00:35 < kanzure_> Have you heard of gcam? 00:35 < kanzure_> http://gcam.js.cx/index.php/Main_Page GNU Computer Aided Manufacturing It currently supports any 3-Axis Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) mill such as the Taig or Sherline in both english and metric units. GCAM consists of a simple interface for making bolt holes, drill holes, sketches, templates, and more. After extruding these entities one can export the corresponding g-code for the selected cutting tool(s 00:40 < fenn> yep 00:40 < fenn> and rs274-D (or maybe -X) 00:40 < fenn> gerber 00:41 < fenn> the dev insists on doing things 1980 style C code 00:41 < fenn> shrug 00:49 < kanzure_> http://www.wbf.org/Content/NavigationMenu/General_Information/Partners_and_Affiliates/WBF/Working_Groups2/XML_Working_Group/BatchML/BatchML.htm "BatchML is an XML implementation of the ANSI/ISA 88 family of standards (ISA-88), known internationally as IEC 61512. BatchML consists of a set of XML schemas written using the World Wide Web Consortium's XML Schema language (XSD) that implement the models and terminology in the ISA-88 standard." 00:55 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/batchml/BatchML-V02.html 02:44 < samrose> I thought it was amusing earlier that people were ranting about "sudo"...does anyone understand *why* people are running as non-root and using sudo all the time? 02:45 < samrose> sorry to dig that back up, it is just weird to actually see people complain about it. 02:51 < kanzure> samrose: Supposedly doing everything as root is a recipe for disaster (or you're just asking to get a rootkit hacked on to your box). 02:52 < samrose> yeah, that is why you see everyone telling you to run commands starting out with "sudo", ebcause they assume that you are not running as root :) 03:15 < kanzure_> http://asdn.sourceforge.net/ "ASDN - "Agile Supply Demand Networks" is software for analyzing and developing logistics networks. This rapid modelling tool should help decision-making in network architecture design and performance management. ASDN software is Open Source and developed by University of Vaasa, Finland and ABB Operations Development Group. 03:15 < kanzure_> " 03:20 < fenn> the idea is that you set things up so that you dont have to use sudo, but it's too much work for most people, and doesnt work for installing software with a package manager (i wonder why not, there's no reason you couldnt give a whitelist of valid GPG keys beforehand) 03:26 < kanzure> god 03:26 < kanzure> now paul's citing "oh, but it's transhuman only! the channel is tainted!" 04:00 < kanzure> Argh. Okay, how would everyone like this to redirect to #openmanufacturing from now on? 04:00 < kanzure> fenn, what do you think? 04:02 < gene> no one's there 04:07 < kanzure> We all have to leave this channel before it can be registered so that it can be redirected anyway. Not going to happen. 04:24 < kanzure> Hm. I wonder how Paul is only now coming across printers. 04:24 < kanzure> The 3D printers. 04:26 < kanzure> ErrantEgo: So you do hamradio stuff? 04:27 < fenn> heh 04:51 < gene> Paul 04:51 < gene> Who's paul? 04:52 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing 04:52 < kanzure> http://kurtz-fernhout.com/ 04:52 < kanzure> http://oscomak.net/ http://openvirgle.net/ 05:00 < kanzure> still waiting on gene to leave.. 05:00 < gene> ok 05:00 < kanzure> Okay. 05:01 < kanzure> Thanks, you can rejoin. 05:01 < gene> import does what? 05:01 < kanzure> it does nothing 05:02 < kanzure> you don't understand, it's just a verb 05:02 < kanzure> it could have been 3904914904914 05:02 < kanzure> but there are some 'solutions to the verb' in the database 05:02 < kanzure> that are listed as valid substitutions for an 'import' mechanism 05:02 < gene> import what 05:03 < kanzure> well if the arc says something like 'mechanical energy' then it imports mechanical energy 05:03 < kanzure> incoming arc. 05:03 < gene> convert mechanical energy to electrical to chemical and such? 05:03 < kanzure> yes 05:04 < gene> so a car converts chemical energy to mechanical energy 05:04 < gene> then what? 05:04 < gene> are there any graph synth files of a car? 05:04 < kanzure> this isn't doing what you think it's doing 05:04 < fenn> what _does_ it do? :P 05:05 < kanzure> I don't think anybody realizes how simple substitution rules are 05:05 < kanzure> gene: have you used graphsynth yet? 05:05 < gene> no 05:05 < gene> not at all 05:05 < kanzure> okay, it's a quick download 05:06 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/graphsynth/ 05:06 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/graphsynth/download.htm 05:06 < fenn> works much better on windows i hope 05:07 < kanzure> it works somewhat on linux. did you compile it for linux for some reason? 05:09 < fenn> yeah because i have no windows computers 05:09 < kanzure> to get it working on linux, if it ever starts to run, you have to send the popup box to another desktop in kde 05:09 < kanzure> why is my server lagging so much on keyboard input. sigh. 05:10 < gene> HOLY FUCK IT'S SNOWING 05:10 < kanzure> Nah, you're lying. 05:11 < gene> I'M GOING OUTSIDE 05:17 < kanzure> I'll be damned. 05:17 < kanzure> Huh. 05:18 < kanzure> I'd be? 06:16 < ybit> http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/05/google-operating-system-tech-enter-cx_ew_1205google.html?feed=rss_news 06:16 < ybit> thoughts, bkero? :) 06:17 < ybit> my guess is that google's OS is app engine 06:17 < ybit> "to heck w/ an operating system, use our cloud!" 07:24 < bkero> Or we just don't want people to know what browser/os we're using ;) 11:47 < samrose> ASDN looks extremely useful 12:37 < kanzure> samrose: Have you seen ebXML? 12:38 < samrose> huh, nope, not till just now kanzure 12:56 < kanzure_> " 12:56 < kanzure_> my bookstore of choice was out of my annual break starter ritual latest installment of the Dune franchise so I finished up going to Borders where I ran into Larry Wall's wife and son and at least said hello, having not at OSDC" 12:57 < kanzure_> Tony. Ack. You don't just causally see Larry Wall's wife and son without kneeling and beggining them for eternal enlightenment! Gah. 12:57 < kanzure_> Amateurs. 13:44 < kanzure_> "Scientists have 13:44 < kanzure_> determined that the human finger is so sensitive it can detect a surface bump 13:44 < kanzure_> just one micron high" 13:44 < kanzure_> That's about the diameter of a bacterial cell. 14:02 < kanzure_> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=parametric+CAD+engine+%22open+source%22&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Yikes. The page I added to p2pfoundation.net is already showing up on Google. 14:20 < gene> Linux the new school contraband: 14:20 < gene> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/10/001236 14:20 < kanzure> I know, I've already talked with the debian guys about this 14:20 < gene> best quote in article: 14:21 < kanzure> btw, there's also ctlug.org and austinlug.org 14:21 < gene> "What is this Gimp? Is it some hacked Photoshop?" 14:21 < gene> then again I really need to convert to linux 14:22 < gene> Classic quote #2...."Theres no way a computer could be that small, unless you're some sort of hacker or spy" 14:35 * bkero hackerspys 14:44 < gene> OH NOES! 14:47 < kanzure_> http://www.thefabricator.com/FabStories/FabStories_Article.cfm?ID=2045 fabrication processes & SpaceX 14:48 < kanzure_> heh, welded tank of rolled alulminum 14:48 < kanzure_> what's the alternative though 14:51 < kanzure_> "As Ringuette explained, "When I need to buy a new machine, I describe it to Elon, he either agrees or disagrees, and that's the end of it. It's very helpful." 14:51 < kanzure_> hehe 17:06 < kanzure_> Hm. I can't seem to find any songs about evil robot overlords taking over the world. 17:06 < kanzure_> lazyweb, would you pick up the slack? Maybe a prayer or two to the evil robot overlords? 17:59 < kanzure_> Just in case anyone in here is missing out on Anima Mundi - 17:59 < kanzure_> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2391673215252131298&ei=aOQ_SdeiJpOwqwLsyaDGAg&q=Anima+Mundi 18:23 < kanzure_> Hm. I think I have a bad idea. Torrenting share ratios applied to philanthropical bootstrapping of material search-and-mine operations. 18:26 < bkero> What does that even mean? 18:36 < kanzure_> 'share ratio' like, 0.4 meaning 40% of the energy and materials - by mass or some other metric that I haven't decided on yet - goes back to acquiring what percentage of that same amount, in excess 18:36 < kanzure_> or something. 18:36 < kanzure_> feedback stuff. 22:21 < kanzure_> uhh 22:21 < kanzure_> http://ckan.net/ "CKAN is the Comprehensive Knowledge Archive Network, a registry of open knowledge packages and projects (and a few closed ones). CKAN is the place to search for open knowledge resources as well as register your own." 22:22 < kanzure_> " 22:22 < kanzure_> Those familiar with freshmeat, CPAN or PyPI can think of CKAN as providing an analogous service for open knowledge." 22:22 < kanzure_> But is it actually made with a repository system? 22:22 < kanzure_> Can I run ckan as I do cpan in the shell? 22:31 < procto> they use a wiki system :> 22:31 * procto can see kanzure_ explode 22:32 < procto> one day you will wake up 22:32 < procto> and everyone you know will have been replaced by a wiki 22:32 < bkero> Wouldn't be so bad 22:32 < bkero> At least it would be transparent. 22:32 < procto> would be for kanzure_ 22:32 < procto> he'd rather wake up and find everyone had become perl scripts 22:32 < kanzure> Defacing a wiki would be so meaningful. 22:33 < kanzure> yes please 22:33 < kanzure> a friend of mine met Larry Wall's wife and son last night 22:33 < kanzure> He didn't bow :-/ 22:33 < bkero> lol 22:34 < kanzure> Does anyone know of some fairytales based around "if you give a man a fish"? 22:34 < bkero> kanzure: robot chicken 22:34 < kanzure> The series? 22:43 < bkero> There's a short in it about that quote