--- Day changed Fri Dec 12 2008 00:15 < fenn> kanzure: why dont you just model reprap? 00:15 < fenn> there are even 3d cad files. but i dont know what you're doing really 00:16 < kanzure> No, I was going to make some 3D files of mechmate. 00:17 < fenn> why mechmate? 00:17 < kanzure> I'm used to having 3-views on my schematics, and seeing isometric views 00:17 < kanzure> well because I have their schematics 00:17 < kanzure> supposedly. they don't seem to be too good. It's "complete" but I'm having trouble reading mechmate's PDFed schematics. 00:17 < fenn> do they use linear ball bearing rails? 00:18 < kanzure> what's the alternative? 00:18 < kanzure> they did have rails, don't know if it was ball bearing 00:18 < fenn> some other soort of bearing 00:18 < kanzure> there were slots every 300 mm in the rails 00:18 < kanzure> don't know what that was about. probably just for mounting to the table. 00:18 < fenn> bolt holes? 00:18 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip 00:18 < kanzure> maybe. 00:19 < kanzure> when I was searching for the email that was talking about mechmate, I came across some old logs of me chating with Dalrymple 00:19 < fenn> eta 30 min 00:19 < kanzure> I had done a superlinkdump on him, and apparently I had already known about mechmate 00:20 < kanzure> you can try mechmate.com I guess, they posted it on the front page with an annoying registration link to their forums 00:21 < fenn> if it's just some kind of angle iron, then it might be worth looking into 00:21 < fenn> but if you have to buy some $400 rail kit then why even bother with mechmate 00:21 < fenn> it's too bad the pics are so low res 00:22 < fenn> ouch 00:22 < fenn> 00:23 < fenn> Current projected cost's are $6818.32 US plus labor, plus tax. 00:28 < fenn> aha "The MechMate drawings will call for a machine shop with a milling machine to form the inverted V on the top edge of lengths of standard angle iron for the x and y rails." 00:29 < fenn> and then he shows some hack using a table saw o_0 00:30 < kanzure> fenn, did my reviewing of the logs help at all? I think I can come up with a todo list with actual, practical steps now for what needs to be done next 00:33 < fenn> ok i am kind of busy with my house situation right now 00:33 < fenn> but maybe in a week or so i will have lots of time 00:33 < kanzure> like can't talk right now or just in general? I'm not talking about giving you a todo list 00:34 < kanzure> miscommunication .. I know you're busy, but didn't realize you're doing something at this moment 00:34 < fenn> not at this moment 00:34 < fenn> i'm sort of winding down for bed right now (why did i just eat a whole bar of chocolate?) 00:34 < kanzure> let me rephrase one more time just to get it right .. it's not a todo list that anybody is being expected to complete. 00:34 < kanzure> there. 00:34 < kanzure> because you're addicted? :) 00:35 < kanzure> Can somebody, anybody call my cell phone please? 512 203 0507. I can't seem to find it. I'd also need to be told when it's ringing. 00:35 < fenn> heh ok 00:36 < fenn> in twenty seconds 00:36 < kanzure> heh busy finding your own.. 00:36 < kanzure> k 00:36 < kanzure> thanks 00:37 < kanzure> trapped in the recliner. 00:37 < kanzure> I wonder how long it's been there. 00:40 < fenn> today's tech tip: if you ever need to mop up some decayed racoon entrails, hit it with some "scrubbing bubbles" aerosol bathroom cleaner first 00:40 < kanzure> say, what's your new housing arrangement anyway? 00:40 < kanzure> vegan housecleaner or something? 00:40 < fenn> takes the odor down to zero like magic 00:41 < fenn> no, roomate's aunt bought a house and abandoned it like four years ago 00:41 < kanzure> payments? 00:41 < fenn> and people in this house are scattering to the winds, so i sure arent staying here 00:41 < kanzure> that's odd 00:41 < fenn> no payments, at least til spring? i dont see what i would be paying for though 00:42 < kanzure> rent, mortgage, on that abandoned house 00:42 < fenn> pff 00:42 < fenn> no she owns it 00:42 < kanzure> peculiar. okay. 00:42 < fenn> i came across some city council meeting saying it was on the "title VI abatement" list, whatever that means 00:44 < fenn> you know, rent is really stupid 00:44 < fenn> $60k over the last five years and the landlord is still an asshole 00:44 < fenn> in exchange for what? 00:44 < kanzure> that's quite a lot. 00:46 < kanzure> although at this rate I'm going in a similar direction.. 00:46 < fenn> did you know that landlords can sell the house while you are still living in it, and then you are bound to the same least with the new owners? 00:47 < fenn> lease* 00:48 < fenn> i think that's pretty screwy, especially considering you can't (legally) sublet the house without the landlord's approval 01:32 < kanzure_> fenn: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/skdb_todo.txt 01:33 < kanzure_> I might post that to om, what do you think? 01:37 < fenn> ok 02:22 < kanzure_> "Offit had recently sold his rota vaccine patent for $104 million dollars." 02:23 < kanzure_> wtf. 03:35 < kanzure_> http://bp1.blogger.com/_2EAAGwTKO40/R8L9wKI574I/AAAAAAAABBo/55dQzP637VA/s1600-h/IMG_3029.jpg <- the guys responsible for xmms2 (sort of) 03:48 < fenn> is "responsible" a good thing? :) 03:48 < fenn> i used to think that all linux/FOSS developers were young people, then I met the EMC crowd :) 03:51 < kanzure_> http://jriddell.org/photos/2007-06-20-debconf-group.jpg <-- debconf 03:52 < kanzure_> I thought all FOSS developers were oldies actually, because of how astonished I'd be to find anybody in my age group doing anything open source most of the time. 03:52 < kanzure_> although these guys could be any age I guess, you can't really tell from a distance 03:57 < fenn> i wonder if they put the females up front on purpose 03:57 < kanzure_> the scotts? 03:58 < fenn> gwah nevermind it's just my poor excuse for a brain acting up again 03:58 < kanzure_> there does seem to be at least four women in the front row 03:58 < kanzure_> erm, not front row, but "near the front row conditional upon the fuzziness of it all" 04:00 < kanzure_> the man on the front low, third from the left, with the beard, looks like somebody I know 04:00 < fenn> four in the front center and five on the right front 04:00 < kanzure_> okay 04:00 < fenn> kanzure_: that's not a real person, it's a mythical icon 04:00 < fenn> the bearded unix hacker 04:00 < kanzure_> right. 04:01 < kanzure_> I met a bearded unix hacker once, he looks exactly like that 04:01 < kanzure_> for some reason he was either working at Apple or previously did, 04:01 < kanzure_> and when I first met this particular individual, back in 2007 in the Austin Transhumanism Meetup, he was doing something about rTMS, and living on a bus or something 04:01 < kanzure_> recently I think I saw him again at an algae conference, but I dismissed it :/ 04:01 < kanzure_> *I thought I saw 04:03 < fenn> the bearded guy in the far right corner looks sorta like my old boss 04:04 < fenn> probably not him though, he's a redhat guy 04:07 < kanzure> you have a hundred thousand obsessive compulsive, fixating geeks and you still can't find that original red hat 04:07 < kanzure> that must be sad. 04:08 < fenn> was there a hat? i never did hear the story 04:09 < kanzure_> ""Red Hat" is a reference to a red Cornell University lacrosse cap given to company founder Marc Ewing by his grandfather." 04:09 < kanzure_> http://www.cac.cornell.edu/technologies/operating.aspx 04:09 < kanzure_> "CAC runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux on several HPC clusters. The Chairman and CEO of Red Hat spoke at Cornell on the impact of open source technologies. Red Hat's other affinity with Cornell is its name. Company founder, Marc Ewing, was given a Cornell lacrosse team cap (with red and white stripes) while at college by his grandfather. It was his favorite hat. He lost it somewhere in Philadelphia in his last year of school and named the company "Red 04:10 < kanzure_> "somewhere in Philadelphia" 04:12 < fenn> well it's no wonder nobody's found it, there isn't a single picture on the internet 04:13 < kanzure> 1) make up mythical symbol representing some sort of movement 04:13 < kanzure> 2) lose it 04:13 < kanzure> 3) profit 04:13 < fenn> http://www.badonka-donk.com/images/hat.jpg 04:14 < fenn> maybe that was it 04:14 < kanzure_> how could you possibly lose *that* 04:15 < fenn> if i lost that hat, i would probably name a company after it 04:16 < fenn> wow you learn something new every day: badonka-donk, "An 'ebonic' expression for an extremely curvaceous female behind." 04:17 < fenn> ah this is where i heard it: Badonkadonk Land Cruiser Tank 05:03 < kanzure_> http://yudkowsky.net/obsolete/bookshelf.html#fs_n <-- Heh. Eli is a Zindell fan too. (ok, so is Anders, but we already know that.) 05:27 < gene> http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/ 05:27 < gene> well guess what kanzure they aren't using EEG 05:27 < gene> they're using fMRI 05:27 < gene> this is old 05:28 < gene> One researcher here has been doing that using a ultrahigh res fMRI he developed 05:29 < kanzure_> how ultra high res are we talking 05:29 < gene> like 0.5 mm cube 05:29 < gene> or something like that 05:29 < gene> fMRI sucks for this kind of thing 05:30 < gene> you're looking at the blood flow not the neuron 05:30 < gene> so response time is low 05:30 < kanzure_> EROS is probably a better idea. 05:30 < gene> huh? 05:31 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Neuroimaging 05:31 < kanzure_> EROS (Event Related Optical Signal) 05:31 < kanzure_> Event Related Optical Signal (EROS) is a brain-scanning technique which uses infrared light through optical fibers to measure changes in optical properties of active areas of the cerebral cortex. 05:31 < gene> I wonder though if the subjects had to keep their eyes perfectly still or not 05:31 < kanzure_> subjects wouldn't have to, there's drugs for that 05:32 < gene> no for the study 05:33 < gene> when you look at something your eyes are seldom looking at the same place 05:33 < gene> you look around 05:33 < kanzure_> that's because of muscles 05:33 < kanzure_> which drugs take care of. 05:35 < gene> ok 05:35 < gene> I wonder if they actually did that though 05:36 < gene> or they figured out which part of the brain combine visual input 05:37 < gene> EROS is still based on blood flow 05:37 < gene> which means it sucks 05:38 < gene> or is it? 05:43 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/open_source_manufacturing_2.png <-- evidence that I should be sleeping .. 05:46 < gene> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_enhancement_by_extravascular_water_protons 05:46 < gene> maybe MRI can image neuron activity 05:47 < gene> wait you have time for sleep? 05:47 < kanzure_> the finals I have tomorrow are engineering graphics and building brains, these are the only two classes that I'm probably going to pass anyway so yeah 05:48 < gene> I have graphics and math 05:48 < kanzure_> btw, did you check out the schematics for mechmate? As far as I can tell they suck, I miss my three-views. 05:48 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip 05:48 < gene> what's that? 05:48 < kanzure_> I was going to model some of the schematics today, but then I realized how terrible they are 05:48 < kanzure_> mechmate is a cnc router 05:48 < gene> email it to me later 05:48 < kanzure_> mechmate.com is handing out free schematics, so. 05:49 < kanzure_> (so I made up a zip with the drawings.) 05:49 < gene> in the mean time check out this tiny korean CNC 05:49 < kanzure_> is it called the microfactory? 05:49 < gene> http://www.robofun.net/forum/redirect.php?fid=63&tid=1584&goto=nextnewset 05:49 < gene> no 05:49 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/minifactory/ 05:49 < gene> http://www.robot01.com/shop01/etc/detail.php?pcode=P0000000002 05:50 < gene> two different minimills 05:50 < gene> second one sells for 1200 dollars 05:50 < kanzure_> who linked you to this? 05:50 < gene> +_ 0.2 mm accurate 05:51 < gene> relatively bad 05:51 < gene> I found it 05:51 < gene> gonna post it in open manufacturing after I am done with finals 05:51 < kanzure_> oh, I was about to post it 05:51 < kanzure_> but if you want to ok 05:51 * kanzure_ goes to sleep 06:27 < kanzure_> http://www.xtuple.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2843 06:27 < kanzure_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/postbooks/ 06:27 < kanzure_> I wonder if openmfg is worth it or not. It looks like it's just a giant accounting database system with a fancy GUI, but on the other hand it mentions a bill-of-materials data field that companies are apparently implementing (above), don't know how useful they're making it. 12:40 -!- Utopiah is now known as UtopiahGHML 13:01 -!- Utopiah is now known as UtopiahGHML 13:15 -!- Utopiah is now known as UtopiahGHML 15:55 -!- Utopiah is now known as UtopiahGHML 18:43 < kanzure_-> http://openmanufacturing.net/ Paul owns this now apparently 22:08 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/gnu-society <-- ugh, Patrick.. 22:31 < kanzure> http://eskar.dk/andreas/blog/thesis/ - "A system that works for me" - an anthropological analysis of the ubuntu community, (some guy's thesis.) 23:33 < ybit> ya know, paul may like to know that openmanufacturing.org is secured for similar purposes, perhaps the two domain names will lead to the same location eventually (it could right now if i would forward to the om google groups portal :P ) 23:35 < ybit> he just purchased the domain name today, glad someone like him got it 23:43 < kanzure> who purchased openmanufacturing.org? 23:44 < kanzure> anyway, bring that up on the mailing list :)