--- Day changed Sun Dec 14 2008
00:23 < kanzure_> "In 1984, a Hungarian physicist, Gabor Bajor, smuggled two Macs into his country. At the time, ownership of personal computers was illegal under Communist rule. Using Pascal, he and a teenager, Tamas Hajas worked to write a 3D CAD program for the Mac which will be the beginning of Graphsoft Company."
00:23 < kanzure_> Heh.
00:23 < kanzure_> personal computers being illegal under communist rule
00:23 < kanzure_> hrm
00:24 < kanzure_> yeah, so about that..
00:56 < kanzure_> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=UVf&q=moPWMaterialProperties_c&btnG=Search   odd results :)
01:36 < kanzure_> http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/screenshots/  heh I like hoow they have ronja screenshots, and then an openmoko screenshot
01:46 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I can confirm that even typewriters were all numbered and accounted, copying machines were few and between and access to them was regulated
01:47 < Phreedom> although these regulations were later removed
01:48 < Phreedom> it almost coincided with USSR breakup
01:49 < kanzure> interesting
01:49 < kanzure> Phreedom: How goes your Stuff?
01:49 < Phreedom> and now it's funny that ex-USSR territory is one of the freest places in the world when it comes to owning and using tech
01:49 < Phreedom> kanzure_: slowly but surely
01:49 < Phreedom> Xesam/Nepomuk eats some time too
01:49  * kanzure is compiling brlcad.
01:51 < Phreedom> kanzure_: trying to make a piezo motor prototype atm
01:51 < Phreedom> it's harder than it sounds though
01:52 < Phreedom> especially since I'm trying to make it last
01:52 < kanzure> this is done by wrapping some piezo material in a tube, and sticking a metal rod down it, right?
01:52 < kanzure> wait, that sounds wrong
01:52 < Phreedom> cheap motors(like the ones used in photocams) don't last enough... 500+ hours...
01:52 < Phreedom> yeah, it theory it's just a piezo pressed against a hard surface
01:53 < Phreedom> in practice both piezo and contact surface need a special coating
01:53 < kanzure> why's that?
01:53 < Phreedom> also the mode of excitation and operation influence power and wear
01:53 < Phreedom> because piezos produce a good deal of friction
01:54 < Phreedom> some produce incredible amounts
01:54 < Phreedom> some produce moderate
01:54 < Phreedom> mediocre designs can have <20% efficiency
01:55 < Phreedom> with the 80%+ of energy split between heating due to elastic deformations and friction
01:55 < Phreedom> needless to say these things don't work for too long
01:55 < kanzure> I wonder what the openservo guys are doing
01:55 < Phreedom> I'm trying to get a motor that'll waste most of its power into elastic deformations and not friction
01:56 < Phreedom> probably they're doing a nice thing
01:56 < Phreedom> but piezos have too many advantages to be ignored
01:57 < Phreedom> what I'm trying to accopmlish is a piezo which works no less than 3-5k hours and has an easy rejuvenation procedure, like recoating of friction surfaces
01:57 < Phreedom> which makes it last almost forever with reasonably simple servicing from time to time
01:57 < kanzure> What contact surface stuff have you tried? oils?
01:58 < Phreedom> nothing yet. the first attempt will be chrome
02:00 < Phreedom> basically there are piezos which last seveal K hours, piezos which are powerful etc etc so it's not very new stuff but there may be some tricks getting this working
02:04 < Phreedom> really hope to get the prototype working soon
02:04 < Phreedom> because interferometers are pretty easy to get right and I'm totally confident in this part of the project
02:04 < Phreedom> while piezos are somewhat speculative
02:04 < Phreedom> although there's still a very good chance
02:06 < Phreedom> if it works, I'll have a motor with exceptional power/weight and power/volume ratio, absolutely no backlash, high holding force, and ability to microstep in micometer range(yes, for real, unlike regular steppers with microstep)
02:08 < Phreedom> micometer->picometer(not a typo)
02:08 < Phreedom> of course such resolution is not needed in precision machining, but having rotary axis or actuator with such a precision will be useful for other purposes
03:00 < kanzure> hm, I don't know how to edit makefiles apparently
03:07 < kanzure> I need to tack on a -lXi to the library line.
03:08 < kanzure> the configure script says libxi isn't installed, but I can manually add-on -lXi to the line that fails (the one generated by make)
03:08 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html 
03:08 < kanzure> Hi samrose.
03:08 < kanzure> Ever compile brlcad?
03:10 < samrose> hey, yes, it was a 2 day process, and it sucked :)
03:10 < samrose> on Ubuntu hardy 8.04
03:10 < samrose> the people on the irc channel here suck too
03:10 < samrose> :)
03:10 < kanzure> in here?
03:10 < kanzure> there's a #brlcad, btw
03:10 < samrose> for brlcad that is
03:10 < kanzure> but anyway, 
03:10 < samrose> haha not you guys
03:10 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html
03:10 < kanzure> basically I need to edit a makefile to add-on -lXi
03:10 < kanzure> however apparently I've never edited a makefile before
03:11 < kanzure> which is strange, I would think that I've done this by now :p
03:11 < samrose> huh, I did not have to do that (would have recalled it)
03:11 < kanzure> well, apparently the configure script doesn't recognize my libxi installation (which is nothing special)
03:11 < kanzure> anyway, /me gets back to work
03:13 < samrose> adding -lXi to compile line does not work, eh?
03:13 < kanzure> there's a compile line in the makefile?
03:13 < kanzure> I can add it on manually, but then when I run the overall make script for brlcad, it stops at that point (because it's not automatic)
03:14 < samrose> what kind of help did you need editing the make file?
03:15 < kanzure> where should I add the -lXi line that will be passed to gcc?
03:15 < ybit> [19:49] * kanzure is compiling brlcad.  :: i thought you used debian?
03:15 < kanzure> I do.
03:15 < kanzure> there's no brlcad in the repositories.
03:15 < bkero> kanzure: Let me know if it's not a giant piece of government shit
03:15 < ybit> huh
03:15 < bkero> emerge brlcad :)
03:16 < kanzure> also, the .tar.gz didn't have mgetd or whatever. 
03:16 < kanzure> which is kind of an important part of the whole system..
03:16 < kanzure> the .tar.gz pre-compiled, I mean.
03:16 < kanzure> actually it was because it was compiled for 64 bit systems, that too
03:16 < kanzure> even though I'm on a 64 bit quadcore .. but anyway :p
03:16 < samrose> gosh, I know I got that mgetd in there, but I can't recall how. I would have to go through the whole process again to remember
03:16 < kanzure> it's okay
03:17 < kanzure> I need to go read my documentation on makefiles anyway
03:17 < kanzure> this is embarrasing, I should know this :)
03:17 < samrose> but -lXi that one should be easy to add when running amke
03:17 < samrose> make
03:17 < kanzure> hm?
03:17 < kanzure> do I just do ./make -lXi ? or do I edit the Makefile file somehow?
03:18 < samrose> I may be crazy, but I thought that you would add flags like this at configure
03:19 < kanzure> ./configure -lXi ?
03:19 < kanzure> hrm
03:20 < kanzure> oh, nevermind. ./configure --help. 
03:20 < samrose> what happens when you do what you have here http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html when you try to make with that flag?
03:21 < samrose> (assume you get an error, but what is error?)
03:21 < kanzure> what are you asking? 
03:21 < kanzure> if I cd into the src dir and into bwish, I can call gcc myself and compile it fine
03:21 < kanzure> with -lXi on it.
03:22 < samrose> the part where you write:
03:22 < samrose> but actually you'll need to edit the makefile. 
03:22 < kanzure> I was making that up
03:22 < kanzure> I don't know how to edit the makefile
03:22 < samrose> ah, ok
03:23 < samrose> gotta run, but if you still don't figure out, feel free to email me. I can redo on my pc sometime soon.
03:35 < kanzure> woah wtf
03:35 < kanzure> the MIT guys working on a repository
03:35 < kanzure> say that the designs that they are working with are 100GB+ of data
03:36 < kanzure> and that this is why they use svn instead of git (local histories ..)
03:36 < kanzure> (client load issues)
03:36  * kanzure needs to ask them wtf they are doing
04:30 < kanzure> huh
04:30 < kanzure> besides being terrible, brlcad isn't too terrible I guess
04:31 < kanzure> I kind of hate that it requires a 3-button mouse (it means I have to lean over and delicately remove the current mouse .. which might mean a mobo hitting some metal (it's resting on a feather))
04:31 < kanzure> and that the default mged viewing mode doesn't allow object selection and modification with the mouse, which is awkward.
04:32 < kanzure> I think this is how old cad programs used to be though
04:46 < kanzure> yeah, so unplugging the mouse + reinstall => dead box. fix was "move around the motherboard a bit and hope."
04:55 < kanzure> well this sucks. now the kernel is segfaulting all the time. what do I do..
04:55 < kanzure> I guess I had a reboot to do at some point
05:46 < kanzure> "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt". :(
06:08 < kanzure> So the only bootstrapping method I have available at this hour is to figure out how to get a boot sector on the external hdd, bring the /book/ dir on the server down, and try to boot up some recovery linux iso from the external to the panic box (leibniz), and then hope I can figure out how to download an older kernel image without breaking debian
06:09 < kanzure> huh, Hugh Laurie was doing Saturday Night Live earlier tonight. wasn't bad.
06:17 < gene> kanzure are you there
06:18 < kanzure> sort of
06:18 < kanzure> one of my boxes has died and went to heaven
06:18 < gene> ah sit
06:18 < gene> can we talk tomorrow about algae at about 12
06:19 < kanzure> noon?
06:20 < kanzure> yes, if I'm awake.
06:20 < kanzure> have you tried out brlcad?
06:20 < gene> yeah
06:20 < kanzure> I was using it for a few minutes earlier tonight, before the box died
06:20 < gene> no
06:20 < kanzure> seemed ok to me.
06:20 < kanzure> blah
06:24 < gene> So I am watching transformers, and they seem semifeasible
06:24 < kanzure> The cartoons?
06:25 < gene> no michael bay one
06:27 < gene> if you have a bunch of parts that can assemble themselve
06:27 < kanzure> Did you ever see the animecon folks who would dress up as transformers?
06:28 < kanzure> they would kneel down and their costume would fold up / "transform"
06:28 < gene> they could potentially reassemble themselve
06:29 < gene> into different configurations
06:33 < gene> now if you have the right part geometries you might be able to interface them with a large set of other parts
06:35 < kanzure> Does anybody think that using an ubuntu live cd or knoppix live cd to apt-get install me a new kernel with a proper chroot would be ok? I seem to recall apt behaving differently in knoppix, ubuntu, and debian.
06:35 < kanzure> I guess apt might read from config files if chroot is in effect.
06:35 < gene> if your set of other parts is quantitized this becomes easier
06:36 < kanzure> yeah it's just flexible manufacturing systems except on a portable platform
06:36 < kanzure> except not 'manufacturing'.
06:37 < gene> and the dissipating power of a transformer is really really high
06:37 < kanzure> don't know if you know about 'fms' (flexible manufac..), but the concept is to reconfigure machinery to do some new task
06:37 < kanzure> a Transformer or transformer?
06:37 < gene> and can only be accounted for with nuclear power
06:37 < gene> Transformer
06:38 < gene> yeah
06:40 < gene> but if you have the right build system, you could make things like transformers
06:42 < kanzure> gene, where can I buy a thumbdrive at this hour of night, within walking distance?
06:42 < gene> try seven eleven
06:43 < kanzure> really?
06:43 < gene> they probably have 64 mb ones
06:43 < kanzure> I've never seen thumbdrives at seven-eleven's.
06:43 < gene> damn if this was my old school you could look for a vending machine
06:45 < gene> they had vending machine that sold flashdrives and other handy things
06:46 < gene> wait do you need a flashdrive?
06:46 < gene> I have a couple spares
06:46 < kanzure> I need a flash drive that I can install linux on
06:46 < gene> how much storage would that use?
06:47 < gene> less than a gig?
06:47 < kanzure> give me a few moments
06:47 < kanzure> well it will probably require a full reformatting
06:48 < gene> well how badly do you need a flash drive
06:48 < kanzure> more than half a gig.
06:48 < kanzure> well
06:48 < kanzure> I'll probably just buy one tomorrow
06:48 < kanzure> I need to get myself one anyway.
06:50 < kanzure> where else might I go to buy one though?
06:50 < gene> wellI have a sd card flash drive that has a few pictures on it
06:51 < gene> I can take the pictures off and it will be fine
06:53 < kanzure> that'd be nice. I'll see if I can't get one by noon tomorrow.
06:53 < gene> as long as you can get it back to me by2
06:54 < gene> before 2
06:54 < kanzure> what type of a place has vending machines that spit out flash drives anyway?
06:54 < gene> my old school did, japan
06:54 < kanzure> it sounded like a japan thing, yes
06:55 < kanzure> why were you in japan?
06:56 < gene> heh, transformers apparently use either dna computers or quantum computers
06:56 < gene> I wasn't
06:56 < gene> I was in texas
07:00 < gene> or transformers use chemical based actuators that don't work at cryogenic temperatures
07:02 < gene> heh, you can't heat something up to roomtemp from cryogenic temperature in a couple of seconds and expect it to work
07:06 < gene> so if you come to carothers, I can give you the flash drive
07:07 < gene> if you have any working computer could you backup the data on it?
07:11 < gene> real men don't use backups
07:13 < gene> and you might even be interested in the data I have on there
07:23 < kanzure> yes, I'm capable of doing backups
07:23 < kanzure> I have a few extra terabytes not filled up laying around here
07:36 < gene> ok do you want the drive right now?
07:39 < gene> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MovieCybertron.jpg
07:39 < gene> so what's right with this picture?
07:42 < gene> it appears to have a large area
07:42 < gene> larger area= better heat dissipation
07:46 < kanzure> where is carothers?
08:20 < gene> are you still there?
08:20 < kanzure> yes]
08:22 < gene> ok I told you where it is
08:22 < kanzure> I'm not goung out right now, or later
08:22 < gene> ok
08:23 < gene> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10547987
08:23 < gene> whoa
08:23 < kanzure> what is it?
08:23 < kanzure> I don't have a browser right now.
08:23 < gene> hmmm... btw it's lunar perigee
08:23 < gene> oh
08:23 < gene> the article, a meteor hit a warehouse
08:23 < gene> and destroyed it
08:25 < gene> a meteor destroyed a building
08:25 < kanzure> size?
08:30 < gene> it started a fire
08:30 < gene> size uncharacterized
08:37 < gene> so if you were being pursued by a robot how would you attack it?
08:38 < fenn> the sensors
08:38 < fenn> there's actually a google tech talk on this exact subject
08:38 < kanzure> do we have emp?
08:38 < gene> you can't use an emp
08:38 < kanzure> why not?
08:38 < fenn> "how to survive a robot uprising"
08:38 < gene> it might be faraday caged
08:38 < gene> yup have the book
08:39 < gene> on my shelf
08:39 < fenn> then wtf are you asking us for
08:39 < kanzure> it's required reading for the Austin Robot Group
08:39 < gene> within almost arms reach
08:39 < gene> well because
08:39 < gene> I think they left out some important methods of attacking robots, like throwing paint at the sensors
08:40 < fenn> or covering your body in cool mud to fool the IR cameras?
08:40 < fenn> or making traps out of suspended logs and boulders
08:40 < kanzure> the other day I was looking for a prayer/verse to our savior robot overlords, but I couldn't find anything. I was thinking of writing a few prayers to the new robot overlords, but I didn't get around to it
08:40 < gene> camera covered in paint > body covered in mud
08:40 < fenn> or lowering them into a vat of molten steel, after a long heart to processor conversation
08:40 < kanzure> unless you're Arnold
08:40 < kanzure> then mud is manly and sufficient
08:41 < gene> hmm... I wonder if you could make a gun that shoots black epoxy that hardens in minutes, so you could take out sensors and actuators
08:42 < fenn> minutes?
08:42 < gene> epoxy has to harden
08:42 < gene> realisitically this might take minutes
08:43 < gene> especially if your target is moving
08:43 < fenn> have you seen "desert punk"?
08:44 < gene> no what's that
08:45 < fenn> it's about a guy with lots of dirty tricks
08:45 < gene> heh
08:46 < gene> how else would you defeat a robot army
08:46 < fenn> with a robot army, duh.
08:46 < kanzure> what type of robot army though?
08:46 < fenn> a better one
08:47 < kanzure> I mean, an army of Big Dogs might be interesting, but an army of "big blue" is going to be embarrasing
08:47 < fenn> yeah, whales arent really my style
08:47 < kanzure> "big blue" is the small robot made out of two metal plates and two servos
08:47 < kanzure> wait, maybe I have my name wrong
08:47 < kanzure> "Big Dog" isn't a whale either.
08:48 < fenn> http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/e400658d-6005-4ed8-874e-0516f7ff2564.jpg
08:48 < fenn> all aboard!
08:48 < kanzure> I'm dead at the moment, box dead
08:48 < fenn> no loss
08:48 < fenn> aside from your box that is
08:48 < kanzure> I was having fun playing around with brlcad
08:49 < kanzure> until I decided to try to install a three-button mouse.
08:49 < kanzure> apparently i had a new kernel waiting to boot up into
08:49 < fenn> er, you can just click the scroll wheel you know
08:49 < kanzure> by three-button I mean scroll-wheel mouse.
08:49 < kanzure> I had a two-button mouse.
08:49 < fenn> or click left and right at the same time
08:49 < kanzure> for some reason. why did I even have that type?
08:49 < kanzure> double clicking wasn't sufficient.
08:49 < kanzure> erm, clicking-both-at-once.
08:50 < gene> hmmm... it would be interesting to spray a big dog with epoxy to see it it is a viable method for achiving actuator kills
08:50 < kanzure> is there more than one big dog yet?
08:50 < fenn> i think gorilla glue would work better
08:50 < fenn> or "Great Stuff" - same thing really
08:51 < kanzure> I know they have a mini dog or something
08:51 < gene> fenn you might be right
08:51 < gene> wonder if epoxy could take down a CIWS phalanx
08:51 < fenn> i saw some non-lethal weapons show about this glue gun
08:52 < gene> NON LETHAL TO HUMANS
08:52 < gene> hahaha
08:52 < fenn> well, unless they get it on your face
08:52 < gene> heh 
08:52 < fenn> they half-buried this guy in glue in like ten seconds
08:54 < kanzure> what's this .g format thingy for 'mged' ?
08:54 < fenn> the brlcad format
08:54 < kanzure> it's not gcode, is it?
08:54 < fenn> no
08:54 < kanzure> good good
08:54 < kanzure> it seems to call itself a 'database'
08:54 < kanzure> so is it anything more than geometry?
08:55 < fenn> there are a couple trees showing relationships between the objects
08:55  * kanzure got his filter cross section to show up in brlcad before his crash
08:55 < fenn> and materials n stuff
08:56 < gene> never figured out BRL cad
08:57 < gene> dowloaded it, turned it on, text interface, ???
08:57 < kanzure> it wasn't too hard for me.
08:57 < kanzure> no, there's more than text
08:57 < kanzure> try the mged interface for the graphics
08:57 < fenn> you have to actually read the tutorial
08:57 < kanzure> the command line stuff is just like ancient cad I think
08:57 < fenn> the interface is pretty weird
08:57 < kanzure> I've never used ancient CAD stuff where you typed in commands, but I don't seem to mind it so far
08:57 < gene> that's why I don't use BRL CAD
08:58 < kanzure> the raytracer is *weird* though
08:58 < gene> oh
08:58 < kanzure> they have it routed into the framebuffer
08:58 < gene> ok
08:58 < kanzure> behind the 2D display
08:58 < gene> this was years ago
08:58 < fenn> i could never tell if that was on purpose or not
08:58 < fenn> they were talking about openGL being a new feature
08:58 < kanzure> a checkbox for "open in new window" would have been appropriate and not hard ..
08:58 < kanzure> seriously, just spawn a visualization program
08:59 < kanzure> it's not like there's any interactive 3D modification going on
08:59 < kanzure> or rotation for that matter ..
08:59 < fenn> you can change the mouse bindings to do rotation
08:59 < kanzure> ah, I'll have to look into that
08:59 < kanzure> overall it seems ok so far
08:59 < fenn> btw the new interface "archer" doesnt seem to be all that different
09:00 < kanzure> ah, didn't know
09:00 < fenn> at least the last time i checked (a year ago)
09:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/brlcad.html <- my notes on what to pass to the configure script to get the source to compile
09:00 < kanzure> for some reason the linux binaries are 64 bit only.
09:01 < fenn> that's new
09:01 < kanzure> well it was the link from the download page, I didn't explore the other sourceforge packages, maybe I was secretly routed to a 64-bit only category.
09:02 < fenn> welp bedtime for me
09:03 < kanzure> oh
09:03 < fenn> i hope i get excited about grad school some time between now and tomorrow, so i have something to write about
09:03 < kanzure> still waiting to hear back from the MIT people from the open design groups or whatever
09:03 < kanzure> they claim they have 100 GB designs (individually) that they are working wiht
09:03 < fenn> yeah that sounds like BS
09:04 < kanzure> I've asked what the hell they're doing with 100 GB for a single design project, will see.
09:04 < kanzure> right
09:11 < kanzure> ho ho ho
09:11 < kanzure> Text mining position / metadata position at Nature.com available
09:11 < kanzure> "looking for a semantic webhead"
09:15 < gene> heh
09:31 < gene> but not too far
14:22 < ybit> kanzure: you're an early riser
14:23 < kanzure> at about four in the morning I wondered why I was awake, so.
14:24 < ybit> i wondered that too, still wondering
14:24 < ybit> (concerning myself)
14:25 < kanzure> with you I'm sure it was some wacky dance club.
14:25 < ybit> haha
14:26 < ybit> nope, you can ask phreedom. it's been awhile since i've been partying 
14:26 < Phreedom> huh?
14:26 < Phreedom> someone called me? ;)
14:27 < ybit> i'm glued to my pc constantly. phreedom, back me up on this ;)
14:27 < ybit> actually, i'm glued to the bed more than the comp.
14:28 < ybit> except for tonight
14:28 < Phreedom> just get yourself a bicycle ;)
14:28 < ybit> heh
14:28 < Phreedom> it's -5C outside and I'm still riding it comfortably :)
14:30 < ybit> you're russian, it's expected. i would need a car in that kind of weather, or some form of public transporation
14:30 < kanzure> you don't need to be russian to take it like a man
14:30 < kanzure> :p
14:31  * kanzure is still living in warm Austin, Texas, so ;-)
14:31 < ybit> heh
14:31 < ybit> i think it snowed there right?
14:31 < ybit> my jap friend said it snowed in houston
14:31 < Phreedom> temps here don't usually go lower than -20C + wind
14:31 < Phreedom> yeah just a lil bit of snow
14:31 < Phreedom> barely noticeable
14:31 < kanzure> well, it wasn't what you think of as true snow :-) more like "super-advanced hail that flakes as it falls"
14:32 < ybit> btw, has anyone noticed that google maps has expanded their street views? it's so easy to stalk others now, w00t
14:32 < Phreedom> more things you can do out of your bed
14:32 < kanzure> I've been meaning to figure out where some panaromic pictures were taken at some location
14:32 < kanzure> unfortunately there's no businesses to speak of, but there are streets
14:32 < kanzure> can't make out any addresses, so that's also a difficulty
14:32 < ybit> they covered my neighborhood, but skipped my street, as i told Phreedom earlier
14:33 < ybit> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=east+bailey+springs+drive,+florence,+al&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title
14:34 < ybit> yes, this machine is running ubuntu
14:35 < ybit> my reputation just dropped a point, didn't it? :P
14:36 < Phreedom> yeah
14:36 < Phreedom> should have at least ran kubuntu ;)
14:36 < kanzure> not really. I downloaded ubuntu ibex last night, so don't feel bad.
14:36 < kanzure> wouldn't kubuntu be worse?
14:36 < ybit> that's what i'm using
14:36 < ybit> i think kubuntu is better
14:36 < Phreedom> ok let's just admit everyone here is using windows ;)
14:36 < Phreedom> yeah kde is better
14:36 < ybit> 4.x is sweet
14:36 < Phreedom> 3.5 is very nice too
14:36 < kanzure> oh, I thought kubuntu is the education version
14:36 < kanzure> but KDE, sure.
14:36 < kanzure> okay.
14:36 < ybit> screw stability!
14:37 < Phreedom> ybit it's not about stability
14:37 < kanzure> Phreedom: I'm a debian fanatic :-/
14:37 < kanzure> I have three boxen here on debian, and I've been converting the labs I go to.
14:37 < Phreedom> it's more apps and ability to test live kde4 builds on my real home
14:37 < ybit> brlcad is in the ubuntu repos which is why i was wondering why you didn't apt-get it kanzure
14:37 < Phreedom> kanzure: no problem about it
14:37 < kanzure> ybit: could you show me your sources.list?
14:38 < ybit> one sec
14:38 < Phreedom> I have nothing against deb, except that I was silly enough to install kubuntu and it kinda worked and I got stuck because changing a distro is a nightmare
14:38 < kanzure> what's the problem with kubuntu? ubuntu is generally a derivative of debian.
14:38 < ybit> http://dpaste.com/99000/
14:39 < kanzure> ybit: thanks. will check later today when I get back a browser :-).
14:39 < ybit> eh? no links or w3m available?
14:39 < Phreedom> kanzure: I think ubuntu should have just offered deb to maintain another branch... instead of going this "roll our own" way
14:39 < ybit> IRCing from the phone maybe?
14:40 < Phreedom> kanzure: it's Mark Shuttleworth's "vision" kinda like he decided to write bzr because he couldn't understand how to use git :)
14:40 < ybit> hehe
14:40 < Phreedom> and didn't think that somebody might write 10 lines of ruby/python code to make git behave just like bzr :)
14:41 < Phreedom> ubuntu, launchpad and other his stuff is much like this
14:41 < Phreedom> he's got "vision", he's got money to maintain his own product line
14:42 < Phreedom> even if it's mostly hype
14:45 < kanzure> I wonder if we can push packaged open source hardware on him, "think of the developing world!"
14:48 < ybit> sure, after some other community has made a stable working concept :)
14:48 < kanzure> what is your "sure" based off of?
14:48 < ybit> debian/ubuntu 
19:33 < kanzure> } gene, can you burn discs?
19:33 < gene> hell yeah
19:33 < gene> if you can get to me before 3:30
19:34 < gene> I am a bit busy right now
19:34 < kanzure> when would be a good time?
19:35 < gene> you got a disk?
19:36 < gene> as fast as possible
19:37 < kanzure> I have discs, yes. just give me 20 minutes to download another ISO and I can be over.
19:38 < gene> how fast can you burn a disk?
19:38 < kanzure> wait, what?
19:38 < kanzure> I'm asking if you can burn for me.
19:40 < gene> yeah I can burn it for you
19:40 < gene> I don't have any disks
19:41 < gene> oh you wouldn't happen to have any r0ms?
19:41 < kanzure> what platforms?
19:42 < gene> any platform
19:43 < kanzure> actually no, I don't have any roms. 
19:43 < kanzure> hrm, except for maybe a Banjo Kazooie copy
19:43 < kanzure> and Spyro.
19:44 < gene> do you have it on any portable media?
19:44 < kanzure> it's about to be.
19:44 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/sol-deace.bin
19:44 < gene> I don't download things
19:44 < fenn> oh, pardon me
19:44 < gene> I prefer sneakernets
19:45 < fenn> i don't drink milk either
19:45 < gene> I don't download things from my dorm
19:45 < fenn> i can encrypt it if you would like
19:45 < gene> well then 
19:47 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/sol-deace.bin.zip   pw: geneisafucktard
19:48 < gene> hehe
19:48 < bkero> Hehe
19:48 < bkero> Any l33t burr1t0 worth his salt has a complete n64 romset
19:49 < fenn> is that like a b33n burr1t0?
19:49 < gene> I make no claims of l33tn355
19:50 < gene> I just too much of a panzy to download n64 roms on my own computer
19:50 < kanzure> god you guys suck
19:50 < fenn> having a super fast connection at uni is sort of pointless if you can't use it
19:50 < gene> and I don't have any joysticks
19:50  * kanzure looks for a new bunch of h@x0rz
19:50 < kanzure> gene: fenn really does have a point
19:51 < kanzure> you've been missing out.
19:51 < gene> lol I don't know internets
19:52 < gene> plus I ain't a real big video game player
19:53 < gene> and supposedly they offer prizes for ousting pirates
19:54 < kanzure> who's "they"
19:54 < kanzure> if you're really that broke anyway, why not drop out and get a job?
19:54 < gene> I don't know one of the RAS guys was telling me about it
19:55 < fenn> if you put a scroll with a dagger stuck in it on your door, would that give you away?
19:55 < fenn> or other piratey things
19:55 < fenn> like owning a parro
19:55 < fenn> parrot*
19:56 < kanzure> fenn: I've been singing pirate songs since I've got here, and not only do they not suspect me as being a pirate, but the entire floor has spontaneously broken out into pirate song and dance
19:56 < fenn> all pirates
19:56 < kanzure> so it turns out the guy in the room over is big into computer science, and all this time I haven't really known it
19:56 < kanzure> "bryan, how do you think I know about compiler theory"
19:56 < kanzure> "well. uh. just laughing along?"
19:56 < kanzure> *fail*
19:57 < gene> argh
19:58 < fenn> i'm still having a hard time believing they actually teach classes about this stuff
19:59 < kanzure> I haven't seen the classes yet, so they might still just be a lie
19:59 < fenn> that's what all my experience so far points to
19:59 < gene> oh hey kanzure, do you want the unit passwords and tests for that programming class so you can get a head start on it?
19:59 < kanzure> another guy on my floor is doing psych+compsci
19:59 < kanzure> gene: i guess
19:59 < gene> heh thinking machines
20:00 < gene> they might change em though
20:00 < fenn> at IU there's a "cognitive science" department
20:00 < fenn> they stuff all the robotics nerds there
20:00 < kanzure> neat.
20:00 < fenn> (not that there are very many)
20:00 < fenn> it all seemed sort of wishy washy philosophical though
20:00 < gene> robotic nerds as in robots that are nerds?
20:00 < fenn> kind of how i feel about psychology
20:01 < fenn> ^robotics
20:01 < gene> i didn't know those existed yet
20:01 < kanzure> yeah it's mostly bullshit
20:01 < fenn> english doesnt use plural adjectives
20:02 < gene> you know I think that language greatly hinders our math ability
20:02 < gene> if we had a better language we might be able to do math better
20:02 < fenn> hmmm
20:02  * fenn had a depressing experience trying to learn lojban
20:04 < gene> each number would be structured like an address and easy to say universal address
20:05 < fenn> uh.. what would you use for addresses then?
20:05 < gene> sounds and easy to write patterns of course
20:06 < gene> as in patterns that interlock easily and are dissimilar to each other
20:06 < fenn> why the emphasis on numbers anyway? when's the last time you said a number greater than 10?
20:06 < gene> friday
20:07 < gene> yesterday
20:07 < gene> I think probably a couple times this week
20:07 < gene> I don't know this is just a crazy idea I came up with
20:12 < kanzure> yes, we've all done conlangs at one point or another
20:13 < kanzure> I had one going called 'Affe' without objects
20:13 < fenn> i hear Inuit language(?) has no nouns, only processes
20:14 < gene> kanzure are you going to burn a disk or not?
20:14 < gene> er use my computer to burn a disk
20:18 < kanzure> it just finished downloading a few minutes ago
20:18 < kanzure> so hold on a sec.
20:18 < bkero> nerds
20:20 < kanzure> bkero: at least I don't have 20 copies of "barbie princess N64" in my collection
20:21 < kanzure> still copying ..
20:22 < bkero> kanzure: Fuck you.  It's 'complete.' :(
20:25 < gene> hahahaha
20:25 < gene> hey kanzure when are you leaving for break?
20:26 < kanzure> tuesday
20:26 < kanzure> I'm having cleaning service show up on tuesday, so once they leave I'm gone
20:27 < gene> can you receive private messages?
20:28 < kanzure> yes, but I don't know what's so private about the messages you send me
20:51 < bkero> Secret government spy stuff
20:52 < gene> No it's more like Illuminati type things
20:53 < kanzure> most people don't think there's a difference.
20:53 < gene> heh
20:53 < gene> well the best way to keep it secret is not to keep it secret
20:54 < gene> because no one will believe you either way
20:54 < gene> and the ones that do are crazy
21:01 < kanzure> here's one for the lazy files: not doing "apt-get install kdesktop" and instead going through some elaborate scheming in a terrible attempt to manually hex edit the boot sector of a usb thumbdrive.
21:02 < fenn> uh.. grub-install?
21:03 < kanzure> I'm thinking of trying out the gui for ubuntu usb creation thingy
21:11 < kanzure> huh, it installed wmii for me. geeze, thanks kdesktop.
21:33 < kanzure> this is so stupid. /me reboots, hoping he doesn't have yet another kernel to install on *this* box
23:08 < kanzure_> So magically I no longer have kernel panics? /me sits and ponders.
23:44 < percent> kanzure_: What OS? 
23:44 < percent> Gentoo?
23:44 < kanzure> debian
23:44 < percent> loser
23:45 < percent> install a REAL linux
23:46 < kanzure> bah, real men compile everything by counting on their toes.
23:57 < kanzure> aha
23:57 < kanzure> there it goes
23:57 < kanzure> froze.