--- Day changed Tue Dec 23 2008
03:36 < willPow3r> you guys ever use solidworks?
04:05 < gene> I use solidworks
04:20 < willPow3r> how good is it in relation to pro/e?
04:20 < willPow3r> i just downloaded it to use for some MIT OCW ME courses
04:22 < willPow3r> MIT opencourseware mechanical engineering*
05:38 < gene> I don't use pro e
05:39 < gene> I learned cad on solidworks so I might be biased
09:20 < ppk> hey, anybody around?
09:21 < willPow3r> what up ppk 
09:21 < ppk> I want to read those papers Drew Endy sent an email about
09:21 < ppk> but I don't have access
09:21 < ppk> I bet Bryan has them
09:28 < willPow3r> is he awake?
09:33 < ppk> probably not
09:33 < ppk> I'll try to check back in tomorrow
09:33 < ppk> night guys
12:06 < willPow3r> san diego fab lab: http://headsonfire.org/hof_v3/fablabwelcome.html
12:07 < willPow3r> didn't know we had one
12:12 < willPow3r> i with their pages had fucking dates on them. i get the feeling this site is severely outdated
12:37 < willPow3r> they opened on 22 NOV 08. perfect
14:35 < willPow3r> http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-researchers-push-nature-beyond-76969.aspx
14:49 < willPow3r> does anybody have full PNAS access (univeristy network, perhaps)?
14:49 < willPow3r> i need the full text of http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/12/08/0807157106 but im too lazy to walk to campus
15:02 < willPow3r> http://www.opticsinfobase.org/oe/Issue.cfm
15:56 < kanzure_> The ubuntu help forums have users that post a list of commands like, "1. cd ~/blah/ \n 2. vim file.txt \n ..". I think they miss the point of scripting.
15:59 < willPow3r> its easy to not see the power of linux if you have no need of a powerful command line
16:26 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/shell.html <- I've finally got around to typing out notes for 'typed shelling' or 'semantic shells' or whatever.
16:32 < kanzure_> http://www.pidgin.im/survey/index.php?sid=84494 pidgin user survey. "3 million users" and counting, but not a lot of feedback.
17:26 < kanzure_> Hi fenn.
18:09 < fenn> hello
18:09 < fenn> i think God is playing tricks on me
18:11 < kanzure_> oh?
18:18 < kanzure_> mega super huge post to om re: recipe representation, plus some PSL examples.
18:18 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/t/a8d8ee245aaae97d
19:26 < kanzure_> http://books.google.com/books?id=wfxKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=illustrated+engineering&as_brr=1&ei=ATtRSZiHApGeyATP3dVX   nice illustrated engineering book (sort of)
19:50 < kanzure_> http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=21&m=308220   basic stamp supercomputer. the worst thing known in existence.
21:17 < ybit> morning/afternoon everyone
21:36 < gene> mornoo as it is called
21:37 < gene> Fenn I think you mean Haruhi
21:37 < gene> Kanzure do you know what a microfilm machine is?
21:40 < gene> It's a machine for taking tiny photographs
21:46 < kanzure_> right, libraries have microfilm archives
21:49 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p4/demo/camile.idef3   ooh. What's this now?
21:50 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p4/demo/gt350.cpp
21:56 < kanzure_> hm, IDEF3 is a precursor to PSL
21:56 < kanzure_> "The IDEF3 Process Description Capture Method provides a mechanism for collecting and documenting processes."
22:06 < gene> why no use one for making microchips
22:06 < gene> *not
22:09 < kanzure_> specialty chemicals.
22:10 < kanzure_> I guess people acquire chemicals to do photography development in their dark rooms, so.
22:13 < kanzure_> "The inability to freely exchange manufacturing information within the U.S. automotive industry supply chain costs at least $1 billion annually.   Read the report "Interoperability Cost Analysis of the U.S. Automotive Supply Chain.""
22:13 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/div826/msid/sima/sima.htm
22:15 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p2/reqtable.htm
22:15 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p2/reps-lis.htm  nice list of representation methods for processes
22:18 < kanzure_> http://elib.cme.nist.gov/psl/
22:27 < kanzure_> ahuh. Nothing like getting access to the private majordomo for NIST :-)
22:28 < gene> my old highschool has the specialty chemicals
22:28 < gene> and a whole damn fab
22:29 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/psl-secure/ 
22:29 < gene> what's a majordomo?
22:29 < kanzure_> username: review-team
22:29 < kanzure_> password: consensus
22:29 < kanzure_> majordomo is an ancient mailing list manager
22:29 < gene> http://www.bytelove.com/images/uploads/Bytelove/Generic/major%20domo%20-%20photo.jpg
22:29 < gene> not this?
22:29 < gene> oh ok
22:31 < kanzure_> http://www.nist.gov/cgi-bin/psl-matrix/outputtable.pl?reqtype=app&begin=98&end=110
22:36 < kanzure_>  http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p3/semantics/issues-log/primitives-full.html
22:36 < kanzure_> blah?
22:43 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/p3/semantics/issues-log/index.html
22:46 < gene> I don't get it
23:14 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/ims/about.htm  <-- "Intellectual Property Rights". guess open access has a ways to go
23:16 < kanzure_> http://www.mel.nist.gov/psl/20questions.html "The following forms are intended to help map process characteristics into PSL Ontology concepts. Each form contains a questionnaire. When filling out a form, please make sure you enter a class name for your process's activities and that you check at least one box for each question. Click the "Submit" button at the bottom of the form to obtain PSL semantics corresponding to your an
23:17 < kanzure_> http://stepmod.sourceforge.net/ STEP Module Repository Project