--- Day changed Wed Dec 24 2008 00:22 < kanzure_> http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3792 using heart-lung machines to oxygenate the blood to allow for humans in space without space-suits 00:23 < kanzure_> blah, I really should start publishing to arxiv 00:23 < kanzure_> it's easy to get stuff up on there 02:32 < kanzure_> well this is depressing 02:32 < kanzure_> as part of VOICED, there's a subproject called functionCAD with a download that I've used a few times before 02:33 < kanzure_> if you search for that you get http://cba.mit.edu/~neilg/fab/dist/function.cad 02:33 < kanzure_> http://function.device.mst.edu:16080/FunctionCAD/ <- is the real one. 02:56 < kanzure_> hm, glad that Wikipedia has a good article on the long tail. Now it needs a proper synthesis page about long tails and the long now foundation 02:56 < kanzure_> and the conspiracy connections with Stu Brand :-) and 1968 03:28 < kanzure_> http://www.singinst.org/blog/2008/12/07/call-for-papers-technological-singularity-and-acceleration-studies/ 03:56 < gene> what's function cad 03:56 < gene> blood oxygenator for space without the suit is cool 03:56 < gene> did you see that guy's other papers? 03:57 < gene> oil pipelines in the sky? 04:08 < kanzure_> link? 04:09 < kanzure_> functioncad is just a way of playing with the VOICED ontology in a GUI environment for linking up nodes together 04:09 < ybit> agreed, liking the heart-lung machines paper :) 04:53 < kanzure_> silly me, I always thought it was the vacuum that posed the most problem 04:53 < kanzure_> besides the lung dysfunctionalism 05:04 < kanzure_> http://grimm.blackmage.org/lockdown/music/Mind.In.A.Box%20-%20Dreamweb/ 05:33 < gene> http://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Bolonkin_A/0/1/0/all/0/1 05:33 < gene> some of these papers might be useful for sea steading 05:34 < gene> http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.0588 05:34 < gene> here's the pipeline 05:59 < kanzure_> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#dfn-URI-reference 05:59 < kanzure_> I suspect I'm missing something about RDF URI references that I should know more about 06:00 < kanzure_> does RFC2396 mean that I can have URI refs in XMLized PSL to other local files in the dot skdb package? assume recipe.psl file local to the package contents. 06:01 < kanzure_> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#example16 06:01 < kanzure_> "Example 16 shows abbreviating the node RDF URI reference of http://example.org/here/#snack using an xml:base of http://example.org/here/ and an rdf:ID on the rdf:Description node element. The object node of the ex:prop predicate is an absolute RDF URI reference resolved from the rdf:resource XML attribute value using the in-scope base URI to give the RDF URI reference http://example.org/here/fruit/apple." 06:02 < kanzure_> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiprdfai.html 06:02 < kanzure_> 06:03 < kanzure_> "RDF/XML does not mandate any base URI determination process for parsed RDF documents." hrm, I guess that's a good thing for us 06:05 < kanzure_> fenn: check my work? 06:31 < kanzure_> http://iandavis.com/blog/2007/11/its-ok-to-use-uris-with-fragments-in-rdf 06:32 < kanzure_> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:r6ayQFWnuZcJ:dylan.beadle.name/blog/2004/11/are-rdf-uri-references-ugly.html+RDF+URI&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=us&client=opera <- more informative 06:34 < kanzure_> http://simonster.com/mt/archives/000039.html "Where RDF falls short: URIs, local files, and the structure of everything" 06:35 < kanzure_> "Where URIs don't cut it, however, is when resources don't reside on the World Wide Web, but in a private data store." 06:36 < kanzure_> "While some RDF parsers will automatically assume any URI missing a scheme references a relative path, the RDF specification does not require this behavior. " 14:49 < kanzure_> "They also feel that 'trans' is misleading, as they believe that their species was fixed in their brains, and has never changed. Thus that nothing about their steps in correcting themselves is actually "trans" at all, but rather they are simply taking steps to assert what they feel that they are already." 15:32 < kanzure_> " 15:32 < kanzure_> I love it. But I was curious to see Ian Jackson, dpkg developer, say in this interview [debianplanet.org] that he didn't think apt was so hot. Clearly Ian has a better perspective than I do. Can someone explain Ian's perspective? I don't really understand his objections very well." 15:33 < kanzure_> http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=735 15:35 < kanzure_> http://web.archive.org/web/20061017190133/http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=735 15:36 < kanzure_> "When I first joined the project, dpkg was a very evil shell script that was little moroe than a placeholder. I wrote dpkg v2, a Perl script, because it was the thing that needed writing next. " 15:36 < kanzure_> "Around the introduction of the C version, the format was changed from the old `two lines of text and two gzipped tarfiles'." 15:40 < kanzure_> " 15:40 < kanzure_> Also, Debian has too many developers and not enough really good developers. Many of Debian's current decision processes work on a kind of inertia basis: it's really hard to get anything to happen (become a maintainer, fix a process problem, get a recalcitrant maintainer to fix a bug, ...) and the way we prevent bad things happening is by just making it too much hard work to do anything serious at all." 15:43 < kanzure_> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=35937&cid=3879354 16:11 < kanzure_> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html "Covers the history of submarine cables from Lord Kelvin to present." 16:12 < kanzure_> huh, written by Neal Stephenson. 16:20 < kanzure_> oh, it's ancient 17:02 < kanzure_> http://pastebin.com/m4cbc7124 line 69: c 17:02 < kanzure_> onflicts with previous declaration 'abs' 17:02 < kanzure_> Also, "error: abs was not declared in this scope" 17:02 < kanzure_> but, clearly, the cmath header is specified. 17:04 < kanzure_> This doesn't even look like a proper distance function. absolute value of (x1-x2 + absolute value of (y1-y2)) 17:05 < kanzure_> ah, the next function is proper distance. Manhattan distance must be something cooky. 17:06 < gene> yeah that stephenson one is real famous 17:06 < kanzure_> "Because of CVS being the most idiotic VCS on the planet, we are doing several merges to add all my summer stuff. All these intermediate merges probably will not compile." <--- gee. 17:06 < kanzure_> go figure. 17:07 * kanzure_ finds somebody to yell at 17:07 < gene> what's a VCS 17:07 < gene> that sounds a bit like trolling to me 17:07 < kanzure_> VCS = version control system 17:07 < kanzure_> the quote is from the pastebin link 17:07 < kanzure_> which is from the functionCAD sources. 17:08 < kanzure_> well, presumably the versions compiled for Windows and Mac are using the more complete version that, uh, compiles 17:08 < kanzure_> so why would they give out defective code 17:08 < kanzure_> but anyway, I don't see why abs() isn't defined in a namespace- given that the header is included. 17:09 < kanzure_> oh, I wonder if abs is in std:: 17:10 < kanzure_> yay 17:12 < gene> why? 17:12 < gene> do you know what qcad is? 17:13 < gene> It's 2d drafting software that is free for linux, but not for windows 17:13 < kanzure_> are you sure about that? 17:13 < kanzure_> maybe they don't compile it for you, is that what you mean? 17:22 < gene> yup that is the case 17:23 < gene> it's open source and they sell it 17:31 < gene> http://www.physorg.com/news149276015.html 17:31 < gene> might be useful 17:32 * kanzure_ wonders where to send his functioncad patches 17:33 < kanzure_> whats with the physorg news IDs anyway? 17:33 < kanzure_> they don't have that many articles, do they? 17:38 < gene> they have a lot 17:38 < gene> but not that many 17:39 < kanzure_> hrm, I messed up on my patch I think 17:40 < kanzure_> I had -- point.cpp.original as the first few characters 17:40 < kanzure_> this is supposed to be point.cpp, and the other one should be point.cpp.new or something (or really, I was just keeping the file names separate because I'm not in a version controlled environnment (because I'm being stupid)) 17:50 < kanzure_> http://voiced.device.mst.edu/groups/voiced/weblog/fe113/images/fc0b6.png#1683x1068 17:50 < kanzure_> that's a pretty good idea of what functioncad is about 18:06 < gene> guess what I'm doing right now kanzure? 18:06 < gene> I'm burning a UBUNTU boot disk 18:09 < gene> the disk is burnt 18:11 < gene> pardon me while I reboot 18:13 < kanzure_> about time. 18:18 < drazak> heh 18:54 -!- Charlie is now known as gene 18:54 -!- gene is now known as genehacher 18:55 < genehacher> so kanzure, how do I partition disk 18:57 < genehacher> *partition a disj 18:57 < genehacher> **disk 19:06 < kanzure_> genehacher: Ubuntu has some tools to do it. 19:08 < kanzure_> http://wubi-installer.org/ 19:09 < kanzure_> hrm, wait 19:10 < kanzure_> wait, yes. okay. go ahead with wubi. 19:10 * kanzure_ was unfamiliar with the "let's not create a new partition"-idea. 19:10 < kanzure_> genehacher: wubi is also on the ubuntu live cd. don't know if that helps. 19:45 < kanzure_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdXkJVQUfM 19:45 < kanzure_> ah neat, "Newton" 19:46 < kanzure_> Eric linked to this; I first saw it at the Austin Robot Group 19:46 < kanzure_> brilliant ad. 19:55 < genehacher> are you there kanzure? 19:58 < genehacher> ok I have two partition options guided with suboption SCSI1 and manual 19:58 < genehacher> what do I do? 20:04 < genehacher> ??? 20:07 < genehacher> whoa glcells looks cool I'm hooked on ubuntu 20:35 < kanzure_> you should do guided 20:36 < kanzure_> SCSI is the successor to IDE. 20:36 < kanzure_> and maybe cohort to SATA. 20:51 < genehacher> guided is 100% disk 20:51 -!- genehacher is now known as clonedgene 20:52 < kanzure_> clonedgene: did you stop it? 20:53 < kanzure_> clonedgene: btw, you should be able to access the internet from the live disc .. 20:53 < gene> yeah I stopped 20:54 < gene> I was able to 20:54 < gene> guided uses 100% disk space though 20:54 < gene> I still want to be able to go back to the quad colored flag every now and then 20:56 < gene> are you still there 20:56 < gene> I can access the internet, but I don't have chatzilla in ubuntu 20:57 < kanzure_> git clone 20:57 < kanzure_> git://repository.desktop.umr.edu/Network/Servers/function1.basiceng.umr.edu/Users/klpwdf/repositories/FunctionCAD 20:57 < kanzure_> gene: then get the plugin/extension 20:57 < kanzure_> for firefox. it's like a one-click installation. 20:58 < kanzure_> anyway, try the manual version. 21:24 < gene_> well another thing is that the wireless internet at my house uses a long encryption key that is rather hard to transfer 21:25 < clonedgene> well I'm about to have a go at it 21:33 < clonedgene> checking disk for integrity 21:35 < clonedgene> disk is ok 21:37 < clonedgene> installation is go 21:43 < clonedgene> oh shoot forgot to backup 21:47 < kanzure_> .. 21:48 < kanzure_> so, I totally forgot that the conventional stove is spiraled. 21:48 < clonedgene> ??? 21:49 < clonedgene> the conventional stove? 22:01 < clonedgene> btw kanzure know any good automatic backup applications 22:07 < kanzure_> in linux, you can do rsync on a cron entry 22:07 < kanzure_> apt-cache search backup 23:16 < kanzure_> does anybody know the IP of my lab machine? 23:58 < clonedgene> yeah 127.0.0.1