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09:04 < kanzure_> http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=1304   the Obama-Lessig connection (just showed up in an email, so.)
09:06 < kanzure_>  "“I have not advised the campaign on intellectual property issues. I advised them during the primary on technology issues,” Lessig told Intellectual Property Watch. “I don’t expect there will be a fundamental change in IP policy, unfortunately, but of course I believe there will be a strong press to realise change.”"
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09:57  * fenn wonders what paul's latest email was in response to
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10:03 < kanzure_> fenn: probably my small book.
10:04 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/93a354079b5bfdbb
10:05 < kanzure_> paul's kind of being a jerk
10:05 < kanzure_> "gee bryan, you should have skipped high school"
10:05 < kanzure_> *years and years of psychotherapy involving anger at parents for not letting him skip high school*
10:05 < kanzure_> yeah, good job paul.. bringing that one up.
10:20 < fenn> reading small book now
10:20 < fenn> i skipped it because it was too long :)
10:23 < fenn> so, what, is he saying we should be talking about "more of the same" patents and other "intellectual property" held by large corporations?
10:24 < fenn> Gee I love Monsanto! yay!
10:24 < fenn> of course we should be pushing in the opposite direction, that's the whole point
10:28 < fenn> i suppose the only way to respond constructively is for it to come from another person (me)
10:47 < kanzure_> bkero: Thanks for recommending BT2.
10:47 < bkero> kanzure_: bt2?
10:47 < bkero> o yea
10:47 < kanzure_> Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2
10:48 < kanzure_> Went and picked myself up a boxed set of Super DBZ, BT, BT2.
10:48 < kanzure_> Don't know what's up with the 'super' disc. Doesn't even seem to work.
10:49 < kanzure_> fenn: part of Paul's unmentioned point is an attempt to convince other people to "more constructively use their time in other pursuits"
11:18 < kanzure_> wait, is six sigma == iso 9001 ? 
11:33 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/all.html   <- all transhumantech mailing list posts, a dump of the thread.html pages.
11:33 < kanzure_> (Garret Lisi has requested some "future tech" stuff, so.)
11:34 < fenn> "is six sigma == iso 9001 ?"  no
11:36 < fenn> 404 on the actual posting .html files, is that on purpose?
11:38 < kanzure_> no, I'm fixing
11:38 < kanzure_> right now I have two files open on my screen
11:38 < kanzure_> in one, I have a .sh script with wget <thread.html> about 20 times
11:38 < kanzure_> in the other, I have wget --base=<right url> but then no url to thread.html
11:39 < kanzure_> how do I combine these two with a regexp or something, instead of manually fixing?
11:39 < kanzure_> "paste this buffer where each line is appended to the end of any current present lines"
11:40 < fenn> er, like i = <thread.url>; wget $i$line
11:40 < fenn> or do you need to split a url
11:41 < kanzure_> hold on a sec.
11:41 < fenn> you shouldnt have to use --base at all?
11:42 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/get_threads.sh
11:42 < fenn> why isnt this available from tt directly already?
11:42 < kanzure_> well, the urls on pipermail are relative
11:42 < kanzure_> the threads are, but only for each month individually
11:42 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/second_file_better.txt
11:42 < kanzure_> the second one is the one with --base
11:43 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/get_threads.sh.txt  <- the first one I used
11:43 < fenn> ok i see now
11:43 < kanzure_> now, if I have "wget --base=blah \n <thread.html url>" I can use a "join lines" command
11:43 < kanzure_> but I don't think I know how to combine files like that
11:44 < kanzure_> without writing a script
11:44 < fenn> i think that using --base will redirect to postbiota.org
11:44 < kanzure_> the --base is to set the <BASE HREF=> tag in the HTML doc
11:44 < kanzure_> so that each thread.html page will link to the actual threads.
11:44 < kanzure_> erm, actual emails.
11:44 < kanzure_> instead of to a local heybryan.org file
11:45 < fenn> ah i figured you would just rabidly archive the list as usual :)
11:45 < kanzure_> well, I probably should
11:45 < fenn> yes
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12:06 < kanzure_> oh pooh. it's -k that I want
12:08 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/transhumantech/all.html
12:08 < kanzure_> okay. there we go.
12:08 < kanzure_> archives are in that dir too, though
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14:28 < wrldpc> DIYBIO Visits Fab Lab Deleted Scenes 1:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Hj-PPbnM0
14:29 < kanzure_> s/visits/should live in a/
14:31 < kanzure_> You should definitely post the fablab-diybio video links again to the diybio list
14:32 < kanzure_> hey, I know these people :p
14:33 < kanzure_> alec made an automated book scanner?
14:38 < fenn> wrldpc: could you explain the way "normal" people go about visiting/accessing the fablabs?
14:39 < fenn> do you just walk in, and that's cool?
14:39 < wrldpc> pretty much
14:39 < wrldpc> the fablabs in Boston have websites and schedules
14:39 < wrldpc> sites w/ schedules
14:39 < wrldpc> for operating hours
14:39 < wrldpc> someone needs to be there of course and they're usually regularly staffed
14:41 < wrldpc> Alec is cool, I'll post these to the list.
14:41 < wrldpc> Mac likes Vimeo
14:41 < kanzure_> I met Alec in Austin at the last Maker Faire.
14:41 < wrldpc> so I may re-up them there
14:41 < kanzure_> it was quite random
14:41 < wrldpc> Yeah that's right, didn't they send you a drive or something?
14:41 < kanzure_> "Hi, I'm Bryan, <blathering on about cool stuff>"
14:41 < kanzure_> "yeah, I know you Bryan"
14:41 < kanzure_> "oh shit"
14:41 < wrldpc> hehe
14:41 < kanzure_> yep, he sent a drive
14:41 < wrldpc> I saw Eagle Eye yesterday
14:42 < wrldpc> finished it this morning.
14:42 < fenn> i think you need to strap the camera to your head
14:42 < wrldpc> Yeah, man.
14:42 < wrldpc> that would be ideal.
14:42 < fenn> at MIT it probably wouldnt be too obtrusive
14:43 < wrldpc> the isight cameras in the macbooks should swivel.
14:43 < fenn> or maybe a camera parrot on your shoulder
14:43 < wrldpc> haha that would be awesome
14:43 < wrldpc> get one of those wowee toys flying insects and slap a cam on it.
14:43 < fenn> i've noticed that birds move their head around when you shake them to keep the field of view constant
14:44 < fenn> so you could have a cybird video parrot
14:44 < wrldpc> i saw that vid!
14:44 < fenn> what vid?
14:44 < kanzure_> http://about.eyetap.org/library/graphics/v087.jpg
14:44 < wrldpc> a guy holds a chicken
14:44 < wrldpc> hold on
14:44 < kanzure_> seriously though, that's like "graduating class of MIT '94" ;-)
14:45 < fenn> certainly an eyetap would fit under those gigantic sunglasses :)
14:45 < wrldpc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dPlkFPowCc
14:45 < wrldpc> holy shite that's awesome
14:45 < wrldpc> they look Cannytrophic
14:45 < kanzure_> also, I like Mac's spontaneous question for me
14:46 < fenn> nice video
14:47 < wrldpc> what question?
14:47 < kanzure_> the end of that video is good
14:47 < kanzure_> wrldpc: in the diybio-fablab video, not the out-takes.
14:47 < kanzure_> "and a question for Bryan Bishop ... hwo far along is the fab lab from replicating itself"
14:47 < kanzure_> and alec says "this far"
14:48 < wrldpc> ahh yes!
14:48 < wrldpc> ok
14:49 < wrldpc> met this guy tom at the cannytrophic party who works for Gershenfeld.
14:49 < wrldpc> randomly
14:50 < wrldpc> tons of robotics people there .. medialab heads.
14:50 < fenn> is that girl with the long black hair named sophia?
14:50 < wrldpc> yes
14:50 < fenn> i think she is from bloomington
14:51 < kanzure_> medialab is a weird phenomenon.
14:51 < kanzure_> why am I not at MIT. wtf is going on here.
14:52 < fenn> srsly
14:52 < fenn> that guy alec is like my clone
14:54 < kanzure_> I met another guy at the austin robot group who was also like your clone
14:54 < kanzure_> at least by the photo
14:54 < kanzure_> but also with similar rants about cad
14:54 < kanzure_> I asked him if his name was ben :/
14:54 < fenn> yeah mostly just the ranting topics and mannerisms
14:57 < wrldpc> lol
14:58 < wrldpc> massive influx of funding to help "story tellers" as part of a new initiative to develop and enhance film making technologies in collaboration/association with the new Plymouth Rock movie studio opening in Plymouth, MA.
14:58 < wrldpc> They're calling it "Hollywood East."
14:59 < wrldpc> Bryan, you know there's a place for you here.  Austin is huge in terms of Xhumanism though ... it's not like you're not where it is good to be :)
15:01 < kanzure_> Austin isn't that huge.
15:01 < wrldpc> San Fran is the xhumanist capitol, eh?  JPL is recruiting you could go to San Bernardino :D
15:01 < kanzure_> Our transhumanism group is Max, Natasha, Mike, Aaron, Shannon, Alex, Michael, gene_, ..
15:01 < fenn> jeepers i was just writing about this earlier today: http://aresnick.mit.edu/blog/unbecoming-expert/
15:03 < kanzure_> you should quote that in response to emyln.
15:03 < fenn> yep, already doing so
15:05 < kanzure_> Alec Resnick <aresnick@mit.edu>
15:14 < kanzure_> wrldpc: did they ever get it?
15:14 < wrldpc> the accreditation?
15:14 < kanzure_> the package
15:14 < wrldpc> the funding?
15:14 < wrldpc> oh
15:14 < wrldpc> I dunno.
15:15 < kanzure_> I never got notification, nor any complaints
15:15 < kanzure_> and I don't want to end up hearing that someone is angry
15:16 < wrldpc> lol
15:16 < wrldpc> don't worry about it?
15:16 < wrldpc> did you get a tracking num?
15:16 < wrldpc> i want to know what's on the drive! :P
15:16 < kanzure_> most of everything
15:16 < kanzure_> but especially the 40 GB collection of a special nature
15:17 < wrldpc> oh man
15:17 < kanzure_> "INTERCEPTED BY FBI"
15:17 < wrldpc> "DIY Earth v2.0"
15:17 < wrldpc> er ... DIY Universe
15:17 < kanzure_> no, I meant the journal
15:17 < wrldpc> INTERCEPTED BY FBI is a Journal?
15:17 < wrldpc> haha
15:17 < wrldpc> I'm so confused.
15:18 < wrldpc> Does Nature really own PLoS like that?
15:18 < wrldpc> and whatever the name of the other OS journal site is.
15:19 < wrldpc> own as in pwn
15:19 < kanzure_> doaj?
15:20 < kanzure_> nature hardly pwns PLoS
15:20 < wrldpc> yah
15:20 < kanzure_> I was talking with one of the managers for PLoS Biology back in August, they are experiencing ridiculously high levels of growth
15:20 < wrldpc> nice
15:20 < wrldpc> obvious trending upward
15:20 < wrldpc> oh arxiv
15:21 < kanzure_> arxiv is ancient :)
15:21 < kanzure_> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/
15:21 < fenn> PLoS seems more "respectable" than arxiv somehow
15:22 < fenn> i think that's why it has grown
15:22 < kanzure_> arxiv kind of avoids bio
15:23 < kanzure_> the only reason nobody talks about arxiv is because the physics community did its job
15:23 < kanzure_> "hey, we need a preprint archive!"
15:23 < kanzure_> "ok. here you go."
15:23 < wrldpc> Jim Lehrer ftw.
15:23 < kanzure_> "we need computers to process these massive datasets!"
15:23 < kanzure_> "ok. here we go."
15:23 < wrldpc> lol have you ever read the arxivblog?
15:23 < fenn> hmmm supplementary materials to a successful fablab aplyee, this should be useful
15:23 < kanzure_> yeah, I get crappy emails from arxivblog
15:24 < kanzure_> fenn: link?
15:24 < wrldpc> lol
15:24 < fenn> http://aresnick.mit.edu/blog/what-ive-done/
15:24 < fenn> i'm supposed to be putting together this exact thing right now
15:24 < fenn> (deadline is today)
15:25 < fenn> hmm but he has aresnick.mit.edu/medialab in the docs so they can't be exactly what was submitted?
15:26 < fenn> ah nepotism!
15:26 < fenn> http://web.media.mit.edu/~mres/
15:26 < fenn> damn it all to hell
15:27 < wrldpc> what was the name of those wearable computer glasses with the GPS overlay?
15:27 < wrldpc> GPS capability
15:27 < kanzure_> fenn: now that's shit.
15:27 < kanzure_> that's pure shit.
15:27 < fenn> it's not confirmed shit, just a highly probable shit
15:27 < fenn> but anyway alec seems cool
15:27 < wrldpc> yes.
15:28 < wrldpc> nepotism ftl.  but alec is cool
15:28 < kanzure_> but still. why can't *my* dad be employed in the media lab
15:28 < wrldpc> lolyah
15:29 < fenn> celtic poetry is his "courses taken in preparation for graduate study"
15:30 < fenn> surely i can finagle molecular genetics
15:30 < wrldpc> HA
15:30 < kanzure_> a big thing that MIT was looking for with me was "team work"
15:30 < kanzure_> esp. in the interview
15:30 < kanzure_> I cited them hundreds of group projects that I'm on (web stuff)
15:30 < kanzure_> but they hated it to all hell
15:31 < kanzure_> it was honestly a let down
15:31 < wrldpc> If you didn't get accepted to MIT, Bryan then fuck MIT.
15:31 < kanzure_> there's some discrepancy between the behavior that people show at mit (alec, david dalrymple, ed boyden) and the actual admission process
15:31 < wrldpc> I didn't get hired.  I interviewed there ..
15:32 < wrldpc> There's a fucking gap between real and bullshit.  Pardon my language.
15:32 < wrldpc> I like what Gershenfeld is doing.
15:32 < wrldpc> Alec is trying to do it too ..
15:32 < fenn> why does MIT have such a high concentration of cool people and projects?
15:33 < kanzure_> we all are, that's not the problem
15:33 < fenn> and why is it so hard to coordinate activities across the net?
15:33 < fenn> i mean most of the stuff they are doing is garage level engineering
15:33 < kanzure_> the trick is that they are getting funding for the things that we want to do
15:34  * kanzure_ backs down from a rant
15:40 < kanzure_> fenn, could you elaborate on the alternative design that would avoid having to use something like my 'ingredients' class?
15:40 < kanzure_> when you're done with the paperwork.
15:43 < fenn> from alec's cv (hope this pastes properly)
15:43 < fenn> Creating a web application with the Pylons and Dojo frameworks to make the documentation,
15:43 < fenn> sharing, and enabling of DIY projects an easy and efficient part of building community by
15:43 < fenn> mapping the resources available in a community and helping you find the resources you need to
15:43 < fenn> do the projects you want, whether you need people, expertise, space, or materials.
15:43 < fenn> we need to get him on board :)
15:45 < fenn> well i guess he already is, sorta
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16:16 < kanzure_> it's probably just a social networking site.
16:46 < fenn> i should probably just make this my homepage (with sufficient tweaking) http://fennetic.net/portfolio/
16:46 < fenn> captions forthcoming
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17:04 < kanzure_> not bad.
17:05 < kanzure_> http://fennetic.net/portfolio/DCP_0637.JPG   what's this about?
17:05 < kanzure_> nevermind
17:05 < fenn> the page is generated from http://fennetic.net/portfolio/portfolio.list
17:06 < fenn> trying to figure out how to embed youtube videos into a table
17:06 < fenn> perhaps not the best way to do it
17:09 < fenn> hmm seems to work: http://fennetic.net/portfolio/test.html
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17:52 < kanzure_> I think I'll be going to codecon in April.
17:53 < kanzure_> up in San Francisco.
18:02 < kanzure_> valleymetal@yahoogroups.com,
18:02 < kanzure_> mill_drill@yahoogroups.com,
18:02 < kanzure_> ShumaTech@yahoogroups.com,
18:02 < kanzure_> hrm, some new groups to join
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18:27 < kanzure_> news hour is on over here :) 
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18:54 < kanzure_> neat
18:58 < kanzure_> my mom called me about it .. "why wasn't your name up there"
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19:07 < wrldpc> cool
19:07 < wrldpc> What's up with AI?  I understand that is no the primary if at all the focus but I'd like to know what you think.
19:10 < kanzure_> You mean, what's the latest?
19:10 < kanzure_> IBM's project funding and the Blue Brain Project are still kind of the highlights for brain emulation or brain simulation work in computational neuroscience
19:11 < kanzure_> I wonder how long it will take to get this video clip up on youtube
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19:53 < wrldpc> what vid?
19:53 < wrldpc> blue brain?
19:53 < wrldpc> blue brain is Chinese isn't it?  Shouldn't it be red brain? ;P
20:07 < wrldpc> I'm sorry.
20:11 < kanzure_> the vid from pbs
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21:04 < willPow3r> http://www.meetup.com/cities/us/ca/san_diego/groups/science/?radius=25.0
21:04 < willPow3r> only 2 of these actually are science
21:07 < kanzure_> UCSD has some neat neurotransceiver research going on :)
21:09 < kanzure_> http://www.archive.org/images/staff2005.jpg
21:09 < kanzure_> San Francisco. Not quite San Diego.
21:10 < willPow3r> only a 6 hour drive
21:12 < kanzure_> They have weekly meetings at a restuarant somewhere for lunch, anyone's allowed to show up.
22:15 < kanzure_> *poke* fenn?
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23:17 < kanzure_> hm. maybe we should do an overall portfolio page for open manufacturing and other cc'd/GPL/GFDL licensed content
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23:26 < emlyno> hello
23:27 < emlyno> the secret password is "Bryan sent me"
23:30 < ybit> has the diybio news segment been posted to pbs.org
23:35 < kanzure_> not yet
23:35 < kanzure_> Hi emlyno.
23:36 < emlyno> hey there
23:43 < emlyno> someone said "semiotics" in openmanufacturing, and the warning lights are blinking across the board.
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