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00:31 < willPow3r> genehacker, teleport me a pizza
00:31 < genehacker> do you have a teleporter on the other end?
00:31 < willPow3r> hmm  you might have to teleport me a teleporter
00:32 < genehacker> if not then I can't teleport you a pizza
00:32 < willPow3r> i could use my transmogrifier to make one
00:33 < genehacker> I could destroy a pizza then capture the information of the pizza, then I could send you the information on how to make that pizza
00:33 < willPow3r> so its not necessarily teleportation in the classical star trek sense
00:34 < willPow3r> because more than one copy can be made from the destruction of the one pizza
00:34 < genehacker> nope
00:35 < genehacker> the way I could teleport something
00:35 < genehacker> would be to 3d scan it, then destroy it
00:35 < genehacker> and have someone 3d print it
00:36 < genehacker> thus it's teleporting
00:36 < willPow3r> teleport, n. : 	to transfer or transmit instantaneously without physically traversing the space in between but rather by psychic or advanced technological means
00:37 < genehacker> yeah
00:37 < willPow3r> right
00:37 < genehacker> it
00:37 < willPow3r> so i suppose it is then.
00:37 < genehacker> it's more of ghettoport than teleport though
00:37 < willPow3r> lol
00:38 < willPow3r> if my "printer" can't print with the same colors that are "scanned"...
00:38 < willPow3r> are there standards on this?
00:47 < genehacker> oh shit, riots broke out in oakland
01:15 < Splicer> I just watched the clip... the cops mind was on something else. It's an interesting psychological effect.
01:19 < genehacker> yeah, I find it more unfortunate more than interesting
01:19 < genehacker> sigh, if only we had the resources to modify our brains so this type of thing wouldn't happen
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02:23 < willPow3r> we do have the resources. they're called guns
02:30 < Splicer> We're human... so we make misstakes
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02:47 < faceface> is there a global brain?
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02:56 < UtopiahGHML> faceface: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SUPORGLI.html
03:52 < faceface> ty
04:03 < UtopiahGHML> (eventually http://public.lanl.gov/jhw/Publications_files/WatkinsCollectiveIntelligenceBook-1.pdf too )
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07:51 < kanzure> um
07:54 < kanzure> So, as some of you know, I've been at my dorm since last night to visit with Steve.
07:55 < kanzure> Andrew called me a few moments ago. My father died last night.
07:57 < UtopiahGHML> sorry to hear that
08:04 < kanzure> "I have four living grandparents and I intend to have four living grandparents when the last star of the Milky Way burns out."
08:33 < wrldpc> I'm sorry.
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08:37 < kanzure> Where the hell is the Alcorchopter when you need it?
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09:46 < wrldpc> "We shall have to work faster."
09:50 < wrldpc> "we will unmake Death."
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11:07 < faceface> kanzure_: condolences 
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13:54 < kanzure_> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7817849.stm
13:54 < kanzure_> algae biofuel test flight
13:54 < kanzure_> oops, nevermind
13:54 < kanzure_> the title lies
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15:37 < wrldpc> wtf
15:37 < wrldpc> bbiab
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16:00 < kanzure_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Brain  <-- Marshall Brain hosts (and is 'The Voice') for "Factory Floor" (basically "How It's Made")
16:01 < UtopiahGHML> guy from SIAI last published video
16:01 < UtopiahGHML> is his Robotic Nation interesting?
16:03 < kanzure_> Marshall Brain is always interesting
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17:15 < genehacker_> http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/01/aviation-bio-fu.html
17:16 < genehacker_> wired on biofuel
17:16  * kanzure_ points to the logs
17:18 < genehacker_> well they aren't very pro biofuel
17:18 < genehacker_> heh didn't even mention algae
17:18 < genehacker_> well if worst comes to worst we can always sell it as cattle feed
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17:23 < kanzure_> the Slashdot article lied, it said 'algae' in the title but it wasn't true
17:23 < kanzure_> that might have been in the firehose though
17:24 < kanzure_> http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jan/HQ_09-003_Antarctic_Balloons.html
17:24 < kanzure_> This seven-million-cubic-foot super-pressure balloon is the largest
17:24 < kanzure_> single-cell, super-pressure, fully-sealed balloon ever flown. When
17:24 < kanzure_> development ends, NASA will have a 22 million-cubic-foot balloon that
17:24 < kanzure_> can carry a one-ton instrument to an altitude of more than 110,000
17:24 < kanzure_> feet, which is three to four times higher than passenger planes fly.
17:24 < kanzure_> "
17:24 < kanzure_> "
17:24 < kanzure_> Spaceship 1 was only about 3 to 4 tons loaded weight and launched at
17:24 < kanzure_> 50,000 ft from White Knight 1.
17:24 < kanzure_> So a higher launch from balloon with less fuel (less weight) seems
17:24 < kanzure_> nearly within reach."
17:24 < genehacker_> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/replicatingrna.html
17:25 < genehacker_> ribozymes
17:25 < genehacker_> yeah you know they launch balloons like that in texas?
17:25 < kanzure_> hrm, it doesn't mention Ellington.. he's a ribozyme-fan. (and aptamer fan, of course)
17:26 < kanzure_> ` 
17:26 < kanzure_> "We have two enzymes, a plus and a minus," Joyce explains. "The plus assembles the pieces to make the minus enzyme, and the minus enzyme assembles the pieces to draw the plus. It's kind of like biology, where there is a DNA strand with plus and minus strands."`
17:27 < kanzure_> `To put it in info speak, we have a channel of 30 bit capacity for transferring information," Joyce said. "We can configure those bits in different ways and make a variety of different replicators. And then have them compete with each other."`
17:28 < kanzure_> a retarded RNA polymerase would be nice too, btw
17:28 < kanzure_> as sort of a "meh, until we get a retarded DNA polymerase engineered" substitute
17:28 < genehacker_> yeah it would
17:29 < genehacker_> so you have any ideas for what a 405nm laser would be useful for?
17:29 < kanzure_> interesting two-actor replication system they have there .. you don't just squeeze in another thing to be replicated though, that's not quite how it works
17:30 < kanzure_> well in this context a 405 nm laser could be used to send information to the theoretical retarded DNA polymerase :p
17:30 < kanzure_> via chromophore activation and deformation of the polymerase enzyme
17:30 < genehacker_> 405 nm is borderline ultraviolet,
17:33 < genehacker_> you know you might be able to use a 532 nm green laser pointer to analyze what rocks are made of?
17:34 < genehacker_> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/2331.pdf
17:35 < genehacker_> green laser pointers oddly make calcite glow orange
18:22 < nsh> "Joyce's chemicals are technically hacked RNA enzymes, much like the ones we have in our bodies, but they don't behave anything like those in living creatures. But, these synthetic RNA replicators do provide a model for evolution — and shed light on one step in the development of early living systems from on a lifeless globe."
18:22 < nsh> this is bad english
18:22 < nsh> do not write like this.
18:22 < nsh> kanzure, wanted to ask you something
18:23 < nsh> do you know of, or how i might find, a page or site with some projections of moore's law for storage capacity?
18:23 < nsh> that's reasonably uptodate
18:27 < kanzure_> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/replicatingrna.html
18:27 < kanzure_> I was half expecting Aubrey de Grey to show up with a lightsaber and fight in hand-to-hand combat with Death, but alas, Aubrey must still be stuck getting plane tickets, his long beard stuck in a door, or drunk in a pub (it's sort of his thing).
18:28 < bkero> Haha
18:29  * bkero tries to picture Aubrey drunk in a bar.
18:34 < genehacker_> ???
18:35  * willPow3r tries to picture Aubrey sober
18:35 < genehacker_> heh
18:35 < genehacker_> he is pretty crazy
18:35 < genehacker_> it's not a beard kanzure it's a longevity cocoon
18:37 < nsh> lol
18:38 < kanzure_> Steve and I were thinking about some designs for mass automated longevity tissue experiments.
18:39 < genehacker_> how do you make sure it's not cancer?
18:41 < kanzure_> this was just an idea for doing flash freezing (or attenuated freezing with different curves to get rid of crystals/imperfections)
18:41 < kanzure_> and then thawing plus microelectrode arrays and other methods of automatically assessing whether or not it's living, or if the tissue sample needs human review
18:41 < genehacker_> well it's easy to freeze small samples and revive them
18:42 < kanzure_> ok so increase surface area gradually and then use symbolic regression (functional induction) to figure out if there's some complex function describing the change in the attenuation cycle for temp. that you could use
18:42 < kanzure_> or use bayesian analysis, that too
18:42 < genehacker_> you can freeze mice in LN2 you know
18:43 < kanzure_> cite?
18:46 < genehacker_> hold on
18:46 < genehacker_> james lovelock did it
18:46 < genehacker_> you know gaia theory guy?
18:47 < genehacker_> http://www.damninteresting.com/index.php?s=lovelock
18:49 < genehacker_> gaia theory as in the earth is a huge organism
18:50 < genehacker_> oops not LN2 just icewater bath
19:44 < kanzure_> http://www.nybb.hs.columbia.edu/pathologist.htm how to properly prepare a brain for shipment to a medical location
19:44 < kanzure_> (alcor doesn't actually have a brain preparation protocol page, afaik)
19:47 < genehacker_> ???
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21:03 < ybit> nice: 
21:04 < ybit> git reset --soft HEAD^
21:04 < ybit> undo for git
21:13 < genehacker_> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/0,39101000,49300513,00.htm
21:13 < genehacker_> 2TB sd card
21:13 < genehacker_> s
21:13 < genehacker_> are in the future
21:13 < genehacker_> 2 TBs in a pocket
21:14 < genehacker_> think about it, 2TBs on a SD CARD!
21:17 < genehacker_> you could put one in a paper airplane full of songs and throw it to that far off cubicle and achieve unprecedented bandwidth
21:44 < ybit> http://www.tony-b.org/  :: kind of addicting
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22:48 < bkero> 2TB using the exFAT filesystem
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23:37 < genehacker_> it's still 2TB
23:37 < genehacker_> just think you could strap em to carrier pigeons and start a pigeon net
23:37 < genehacker_> the RIAA will never be able to stop that!
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