--- Day changed Sat Jan 17 2009 02:12 < willPow3r> what up foolios 02:15 < genehacker_> the sky is, the 02:15 < genehacker_> and the enemy's gate is down 19:10 < kanzure> fenn: what part of igem? 19:17 < fenn> see inbox 19:17 < kanzure> also, turns out that I'm still not paying for an internet connection on this box 19:17 < kanzure> and this is the same ISP that just got super geek cred points on Slashdot for not whoring my information out 19:18 < fenn> sweet 19:18 < kanzure> wired.com called the other night and we had a quick pow-wow, I was going to call dad afterwards but then sadness 19:21 < kanzure> um, so, could anybody tell the diybio london folks that smari is passing through? I'm not really able to do super email at the moment 19:23 < kanzure> oops, that's ancient. Was working from a links2 cache apparently. 19:47 < kanzure> I'm really just not sure about this ISP: 19:47 < kanzure> $291.55 - Pay for Spring semester ONLY
19:55 < kanzure> ookay 19:55 < kanzure> soo if you had to choose how much to pay for an internet connection, how much would you pay? 20:12 < kanzure>
<-- I've only seen action=post and action=get. What's this one about ? 20:12 < kanzure> oh, method=get or post, meanwhile action is a filename 20:13 < kanzure> blah, these don't seem like the type to .. well, you know, not know how to do a filename without an extension 20:13 < kanzure> one too many nots in there 20:35 < kanzure> samrose: I just got an email from Zach Smith. 20:35 < kanzure> apparently he's the only programmer behind thingiverse 20:35 < kanzure> and he's totally for the packaging format stuffs :) 20:35 < kanzure> and in fact it seems like he'd be willing to do some collaboration 20:36 < kanzure> you mentioned you were wanting to do something similar a while back, esp. re: the web interface. 20:59 < genehacker_> hahaha 21:00 < kanzure> Zack Hoecken, I mean. 21:00 < kanzure> genehacker_: Are you back yet? 21:00 < genehacker_> I know who Zach is 21:00 < genehacker_> I will be today why? 21:00 < kanzure> Just wondering. Sata was asking when he was at my house on Thursday. 21:01 < genehacker_> I'm thinking of making some stuff for thingiverse 21:01 < kanzure> will you CC-BY-SA it? 21:01 < genehacker_> well I don't think I will be able to take much in the way of algae samples 21:01 < kanzure> *will you license it as CC-BY-SA 21:02 < genehacker_> in order to take an algae samples I have to take 2 liters of water 21:02 < genehacker_> yeah sure 21:02 < genehacker_> does SKDB work to some degree? 21:03 < genehacker_> could I throw a bunch of parts into it to see if I could make something that could assemble itself from the parts? 21:04 < kanzure> to some degree. let me explain: 21:04 < kanzure> you can throw those parts in, yes, and if you wanted to see if they could make all of the parts that you throw in, that would be doable 21:04 < kanzure> but what you want to do is check *assembly* which is something a bit different than just make-dependencies 21:04 < kanzure> for just the make-dependency analysis, you don't need to do much really 21:05 < genehacker_> could you do it for legos? 21:05 < kanzure> but for assembly, that would require the instructions to be in some data object 21:05 < kanzure> so here's how you'd do assembly checking 21:05 < kanzure> you'd look at the instructions for assembling the overall part, and then you'd check to see if each of the steps involved goes to the other parts only 21:06 < kanzure> so if you say "step 2 move part 3 to part 4" then it will stab you in the face 21:06 < kanzure> unless 'move' is a part too. 21:06 < kanzure> (and it won't actually look like "step 2 move part 3 to part 4" .. that's why I say XML/YAML/data-object-thingy) 21:06 < kanzure> there was this huge thread on om about recipe representation actually 21:07 < kanzure3> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/tree/browse_frm/thread/a8d8ee245aaae97d/7a19a3b45e8f94d5?rnum=1&q=recipe+representation&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fopenmanufacturing%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fa8d8ee245aaae97d%3Ftvc%3D1%26q%3Drecipe%2Brepresentation%26#doc_7a19a3b45e8f94d5 21:07 < genehacker_> lego cad software has a handy dandy, make into step feature 21:07 < kanzure> lego instructions are always pictorial though 21:07 < kanzure> right? 21:07 < genehacker_> yeah 21:07 < kanzure> hrm, I might as well check it out though 21:08 < kanzure> I do remember using a lego cad program once, but it wasn't from Lego the company 21:08 < genehacker_> then download MLcad 21:08 < kanzure> is this the one with "make into step"? 21:09 < genehacker_> yeah 21:09 < genehacker_> it's still pictorial though 21:09 < kanzure> so basically: state of your lego construction before, state of your lego thingy afterwards, 21:09 < kanzure> and then it just spits out a rendering of the state change? 21:09 < genehacker_> yeah, and you can figure it out from there 21:09 < genehacker_> pretty much 21:10 < kanzure> not what I was hoping for, but ok 21:10 < genehacker_> I don't really know that much about it 21:10 < genehacker_> I haven't tried the make step feature 21:13 < kanzure> ldraw027.exe hangs on extraction via wine. 21:14 < kanzure> "processing archive: Z:\... \n archive date: 1997-07-25 00:05:24 \n Continue extraction? no" <- infinite loop 21:14 < kanzure> or something. 21:16 < samrose> kanzure, yeah! I am interested for sure 21:16 < kanzure3> http://arj.sourcearchive.com/documentation/3.10.22/arjsfx_8c-source.html blah .. have to compile it myself maybe? 21:16 < samrose> met Zack Smith online 21:16 < kanzure> ah, good 21:17 < samrose> we should figure out a way to coordinate. I was mirroring your backend work, and trying to make it all work with python tools (mercurial, hatta wiki, etc) 21:17 < kanzure> well, supposedly that's what OM is for 21:17 < kanzure> if it weren't for the damned economists 21:17 < kanzure> naysaying economists as it were.. 21:17 < samrose> mercurial = GIT hatta = whatever that wiki engine you were using is, etc 21:18 < genehacker_> well what I want to find out is if there is a set of lego parts capable of apply enough force to put together and pull apart other lego parts 21:18 < kanzure> what I recommended to Zach was that he could help out by just dumping the CC content and then I'd write up some shell scripts to pretty up the data a bit 21:18 < samrose> ah, yeah. I am probably jumping ahead a bit 21:18 < kanzure> but his data will not have an 'instructions format' nor interoperability information. 21:19 < kanzure> nor dependency information 21:19 < kanzure> so at a minimum I want to get the data set out there 21:19 < kanzure> and then we can all go on a metadata spree all over it heh' 21:20 < kanzure> (as opposed to me writing a crawler over thingiverse, which I would have done anyway, but at least this way we might get some of the data in a pretty format) 21:20 < kanzure> genehacker_: wait, what? That sounds simpler than what you wanted to do earlier. 21:20 < kanzure> just go look at the lego catalog for lego actuator parts.. 21:21 < genehacker_> I mean sets of parts capable of grasping parts 21:22 < kanzure> brb, fetching lunch 21:23 < genehacker_> packing so I am semi here 21:30 < kanzure> wow 21:31 < kanzure> so it worked, it's a 'pending transaction' according to the broker/bank 21:31 < kanzure> for precisely $0.37 23:21 < genehacker_> afk, email if you have any questions kanzure 23:21 < kanzure> k