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08:29 < kanzure3> http://www.projectaten.net/tiki-custom_home.php <- "atomic coordinates" - why does this need an entire library? I must be misunderstanding something.
08:29 < kanzure3> http://turin.nss.udel.edu/research/tubegenonline.html 
08:29 < kanzure3> http://jcrystal.com/steffenweber/JAVA/jnano/jnano.html
08:30 < kanzure3> "Web-Accessible Nanotube Structure Generator"
08:32 < kanzure3> http://hdihandbook.com/  for PCBs.
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15:50 < kanzure3> http://www.cloaca.be/machines.htm Human digestion machine
15:50 < kanzure3> inputs - foods, various stomach acids, various GI tract enzymes
15:50 < kanzure3> output: shit.
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18:35 < kanzure3> In graph pegging, we view each vertex of a graph as a hole into which a peg can be placed, with checker-like ``pegging moves'' allowed. Motivated by well-studied questions in graph pebbling, we introduce two pegging quantities. The pegging number (respectively, the optimal pegging number) of a graph is the minimum number of pegs such that for every (respectively, some) distribution of that many pegs on the graph, any vertex can be reached by a sequence of pegging moves. We prove several basic properties of pegging and analyze the pegging number and optimal pegging number of several classes of graphs, including paths, cycles, products with complete graphs, hypercubes, and graphs of small diameter.
18:35 < kanzure3> http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1095
18:35 < kanzure3> ^ my math teacher's paper.
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19:09 < kanzure> genehacker: http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1095 <-- written by my current math teacher
19:09 < kanzure> on 'graph pegging'
19:10 < genehacker> huh?
20:16 < ybit> kanzure, i read your post on dependencies yesterday. are you against open money? to me, it seems like a natural evolution to a gift economy 
20:41 < kanzure> how
20:42 < kanzure> don't let money-- or people-- get in the way between my tech
20:42 < kanzure> or else. rawr.
21:42 < kanzure3> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081204074810.htm 
21:42 < kanzure3> "Robot That Jumps Like A Grasshopper And Rolls Like A Ball Created For Space Exploration"
21:42 < kanzure3> meh, get Lipson on a robotic exploration project and you might have a fab@home on Mars
21:45 < kanzure3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osGZzOdInho
22:11 < ybit> exchange is a way of dealing with scarcity, so until we are in post-scarcity we need a way of dealing with this issue, no?
22:12 < ybit> so, it would then make sense to improve the current situation, what do you propose we do? [kanzure]
22:12 < ybit> actually, anyone in here, feel free to respond
22:13 < kanzure> what does money have to do with exchange
22:13 < kanzure> I mean, why do you insist on this money thing?
22:28 < ybit> the system that is used now to exchange goods creates an artificial scarcity, open money's goal is to show that indeed, it is only artificial. money allows for quicker trading, without it, how would you acquire goods?
22:31 < kanzure> how do you presently acquire goods
22:41 < ybit> offering a service in exchange for a token which i then exchange with someone who is servicing me in exchange for my token
22:41 < ybit> [repeat]
22:41 < kanzure> that's not what I mean
22:41 < kanzure> if I told you to go get me a chocolate bar, what would you do
22:41 < ybit> ask you for money
22:42 < kanzure> sigh
22:42 < kanzure> then you're worthless :p
22:42 < ybit> hah, what? :P
22:43 < ybit> i would go to a workplace and give them what little money i have in exchange for the cheapest piece of chocolate i could buy, is that good for this example?
22:43 < kanzure> you'd go click a few buttons on a computer
22:43 < kanzure> or go take one off the stack physically at the store
22:43 < ybit> righto
22:44 < ybit> keep going, afk for about 5mins
22:49 < ybit> and i'm back
22:49 < ybit> you didn't continue
22:50 < kanzure> to what?
22:55 < ybit> i dunno, where were you going with "[22:38] <kanzure> if I told you to go get me a chocolate bar, what would you do"?
22:56 < kanzure> show you that the money doesn't have to be there
22:57 < ybit> right, but i'm saying that you have to show others that it isn't required
22:57 < ybit> and there's a process of doing that, open money is a natural progression from the current system to a gift economy
22:57 < ybit> imo
22:58 < ybit> as open money shows that scarcity isn't quite like the current system has us to believe, then we can more easily progress to a gift economy, no?
23:01 < ybit> did pwn you? ;D
23:02 < ybit> did i*
23:02 < kanzure> nah
23:03 < ybit> you're advocating a gift economy right?
23:03 < kanzure> well ideally I'd advocate getting rid of the concept of economy entirely
23:03  * kanzure would like to just focus on his machines and such
23:03 < kanzure> you're hitting me at a bad time anyway, I'm not running on drugs
23:04 < ybit> sadly, i can't afford the provigil prescribed to me :|
23:04  * ybit needs a job
23:04 < ybit> or someone to lend me $300/month
23:04 < kanzure> hm
23:04 < kanzure> is that all you need?
23:04 < ybit> yup
23:06 < kanzure> I could afford to do that, but I'd much rather just set up a provigil lab
23:06 < ybit> modafinil is hard to synthesize
23:06 < kanzure> s/do/help out on that/
23:12 < ybit> not sure if i have shared this before: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/adrafinil.modafinil.html
23:13 < ybit> "synthesis of adrafinil and modafinil"
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23:41 < kanzure> fenn, did you ever see that Joseph Jackson video ?
23:41 < genehacker> modafinil?
23:42 < genehacker> kanzure, that jumping robot might be related to reprap
23:42 < kanzure> same uni, I know
23:42 < genehacker> bet it shares the same parent printer as reprap
23:43 < kanzure> maybe in the ancestry
23:43 < kanzure> but I would hope that they have had an explosion of new printers on campus
23:44 < kanzure> if not, that'd be kinda sad :(
23:44 < genehacker> reprap growth is hyperbolic
23:45 < kanzure> if you write that up into a 2 page paper
23:45 < kanzure> you could publish that on arxiv
23:45 < genehacker> heh
23:45 < genehacker> I might do just that for the lulz
23:45 < kanzure> god I suck, "you could publish a paper on that!!"
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23:53 < ybit> grr, i need a render farm
23:55 < kanzure> I think I qualify as a render farm
23:55 < kanzure> what do you need rendered?
23:55 < kanzure> and if not, there's clusters around here.
23:57 < genehacker> you could send the raw render data to someone else
23:57 < genehacker> and have the NSA render it for you
23:57 < genehacker> if you make the NSA think the render data contains a secret message
23:58 < genehacker> but sense I told you this, they probably won't now
23:58 < ybit> it's nothing important, was editing video from the charity event this past week and am putting a few special effects in it
23:58 < ybit> genehacker, :
23:58 < ybit> :) *
23:58 < genehacker> 098765442645856985885764e655337378b87h?