--- Day changed Thu Jan 29 2009 00:55 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:57 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:24 -!- emlyno [n=emlyn@eth13582.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]"] 03:04 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-214.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:23 < kanzure> hm, this is becoming a pattern 07:52 < kanzure3> http://www.globalswadeshi.net/video/2097821:Video:672 Vinay Gupta & Marcin interview video 11:21 < kanzure3> http://www.indpipe.com/product.asp pipe specifications 11:30 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pipes.zip 11:32 < kanzure3> http://www.gizmology.net/pipe.htm 11:34 -!- samrose [n=samrose@pool-70-104-127-158.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:35 < kanzure> Discordian behavior: I should go make an electrical plug outlet that is actually a water pipe. 11:46 < kanzure3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets not a bad article on the subject 11:47 < kanzure3> http://www.iec.ch/zone/plugsocket/ps_history.htm ‰International standardization of electrical plugs and sockets for domestic use 11:49 < kanzure3> http://www.global-electron.com/external/iec906a.gif 11:49 < kanzure3> http://www.global-electron.com/external/iec906b.gif 11:50 < kanzure3> http://www.escapeartist.com/global/photos.html Diagrams of adapter plugs 12:56 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-214.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:18 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 13:19 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- samrose [n=samrose@pool-70-104-127-158.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:13 -!- samrose [n=samrose@pool-70-104-127-158.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:32 < kanzure3> http://www.eaglegenomics.com/ F/OSS bioinformatics consulting company, is looking to hire, will allow telecommuters. 14:37 < kanzure3> http://www.therobotgroup.org/TRG-Decider.jpg "homo sapiens to robo sapiens" hehe 14:37 < kanzure3> or better link - http://store.servomagazine.com/images/D/detailrobo.jpg 14:38 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:39 < kanzure3> reminds me of the "somewhere, something went terribly wrong" shirt: http://www.wordsmith-features.com/images/home_page.gif 14:43 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- samrose_ [n=samrose@pool-70-104-102-54.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:28 -!- samrose [n=samrose@pool-70-104-127-158.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:44 -!- samrose_ [n=samrose@pool-70-104-102-54.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:52 < kanzure> Two ways to do compatibility checking between ports- first, geometrical, and second, FEA-like. The first will make sure you don't have a 20 m pipe with a 2 m diameter pipe resting at the port. The second will check to see if the pipes explode, if water leaks, or in electronics, gEDA/SPICES stuff. 15:52 < kanzure> I might be handwaving on the FEA/SPICES though. 15:54 < kanzure> Originally it was just "dimensional analysis" - do the units match up, are the two ports "rated-for" one another. But if you wire something unexpected up to the other geometrical port, the dimensional analysis method will fail ("this pipe knows nothing about electrons"). 15:55 < kanzure> (vacuum tubes, tubes with gases that conduct and pass a current through itself ..) 16:29 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 16:59 -!- genehacker_ [n=chatzill@w-mob400-128-62-214-212.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:08 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-214.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:08 -!- genehacker_ is now known as genehacker 17:29 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@w-mob400-128-62-214-212.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:14 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:36 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:51 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:52 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:08 < kanzure3> fenn: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/opensource/ 19:08 < kanzure3> $3k prize money. "social good"ness is a factor that they consider 19:11 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-98-29.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:12 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:16 -!- genehacker_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-98-29.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:18 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: genehacker 19:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: genehacker 19:18 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-98-29.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 19:18 -!- genehacker_ is now known as genehacker 19:24 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 19:24 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:43 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:43 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:47 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:54 -!- wrldpc___ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:56 -!- wrldpc____ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:04 -!- wrldpc_____ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:05 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:09 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:12 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:12 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:14 -!- wrldpc___ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:24 < kanzure> neat, "load rating" is an actual term others use. 20:24 -!- wrldpc____ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:25 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:30 < kanzure3> hehe "Stress analysis of the human tooth using a three-dimensional finite element model " 20:33 -!- wrldpc_____ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:36 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:40 < kanzure3> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Why%20mechanical%20design%20cannot%20be%20like%20VLSI%20design%20-%20Whitney%20-%201996.pdf "Why mechanical design cannot be like VLSI design" 20:42 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:47 < kanzure> huh, citation: "Analysis and Design of Engineering Systems" H. M. Paynter, 1960s 20:48 < kanzure> unified set of dynamical equations that capture power or energy transactions between the elements, notational modeling system called "bond graphs" - telephones, hydro-electric generating stations, active vehicle suspension, Paynter and his students developed Bond Graph model => computer code software. 20:53 < kanzure3> " In mechanical systems there is no specification 20:53 < kanzure3> language. Instead we have Quality Function Deployment or other semi- 20:53 < kanzure3> mystical attempts to convert what the customer wants into hard engineering 20:53 < kanzure3> specifications. 20:53 < kanzure3> " 20:54 < kanzure3> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100&hl=en&lr=&cites=485893459400210265 20:59 < kanzure> journals doing bond graphs: Journal of Dynamic Systems, MEasurement and Control, and the J of the Franklin Institute 20:59 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:01 < kanzure3> http://www.ece.arizona.edu/~cellier/bg.html Bond Graph Compendium 21:01 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:01 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01 < kanzure3> http://www.ece.arizona.edu/~cellier/bg_soft.html bond graph software 21:09 < kanzure> what is the XML format IEC PAS 62424 (CAEX) ? 21:10 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-76-119-12-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:15 < kanzure3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutomationML 21:15 < kanzure3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAEX 21:16 < kanzure3> http://www.automationml.org/ 21:17 < kanzure3> http://www.automationml.org/forum/ 21:17 < kanzure3> ". On a certain abstraction level, a plant consists in modules or components that are interconnected. CAEX allows storage of those modules or components by means of objects. Object oriented concepts as encapsulation, classes, class libraries, instances, instance hierarchies, inheritance, relations, attributes and interfaces are explicitly supported. CAEX bases on XML and is defined as XML schema (xsd file). The original intention of developing CAEX was the industrial lack of a common and established data exchange between process engineering tools and process control engineering tools. However, CAEX can be applied to all types of static object information, e.g. plant topologies, document topologies, product topologies, petri nets, but also for non technical applications like phylogenetic trees." 21:19 < kanzure3> http://www.plt.rwth-aachen.de/forschung/caex_iec_62424/caexdownloads/?id=448&L=0 21:20 < genehacker> Kanzure, guess what? 21:20 < kanzure3> no? 21:20 < genehacker> I got me some reprap parts 21:20 < kanzure3> neat 21:21 < kanzure3> what specifically? 21:21 < genehacker> 1 corner bracket, 1 bed holding mechanism 21:21 < genehacker> check my facebook photo album 21:23 < kanzure3> hm, the CAEX xsd file shows that it just has 'attributes' that are of minimum, maximum or some standard tolerance or whatever 21:30 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:34 < kanzure> "For the rotational mechanical domain, the port variables are the torque and angular velocity. .. the power being transferred by this port is P=Fv, P=T*w for the rotational case" 21:50 < kanzure3> "Unlike the traditional input–output modelling approach, a model object is acausal (Andersson, 1994; Maffezzoni, Girelli & Lluka, 1996) and, consequently, independent of the context in which it is used: encapsulation actually implies a rigorous standardisation of interfaces, and acausality implies independence of the model equations of the boundary conditions imposed by its connection to other models." 22:08 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-76-119-12-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:35 < kanzure3> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Using%20an%20evolutionary%20algorithm%20for%20catalog%20design.pdf using evolutionary algorithm for catalog design 22:48 < kanzure> Heinrich, Resource based paradigm for the configuring of technical systems from modular components 22:52 < kanzure3> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/The%20Resource-Based%20Paradigm%20-%20Configuring%20Technical%20Systems%20from%20Modular%20Components%20-%20Heinrich.pdf 22:53 < kanzure3> "ports as a resource" 23:01 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]