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00:00 < xp_prg> no, I have a refrigerator with food in it
00:00 < xp_prg> I just put the stuff in there
00:00 < kanzure> fenn: dpkg was yakking about a dependency to libvtk5-qt4 specifically.
00:01 < kanzure> xp_prg: I would strongly discourage mixing biological material storage with food storage.
00:01 < Gene_H> you need about 3 peltier coolers
00:01 < fenn> wah
00:01 < Gene_H> stack them on top of each other
00:01 < Gene_H> power up
00:01 < Gene_H> put in fridge
00:01 < kanzure> don't put in fridge
00:01 < kanzure> blargh.
00:01  * kanzure worries.
00:01 < Gene_H> gets down to very cold
00:01 < xp_prg> dude I just did
00:01 < Gene_H> -60 freezer temp
00:02 < xp_prg> so like what temp does it need to be at?
00:02 < fenn> put ice in a bucket
00:02 < Gene_H> Kanzure don't worry about it, I've done stuff like that and nothing bad ever happened to me
00:02 < fenn> or styrofoam box if you're fancy
00:02 < kanzure> xp_prg: pop quiz. is there anything wrong with storing your gel runs in a refridgerator?
00:02 < xp_prg> don't know, but I am just storing the raw contents that came in the box
00:02 < Gene_H> xp_prg description of what you are doing?
00:02 < kanzure> specifically a refrigerator that you use for food
00:03  * kanzure reads the elmergui manual
00:03 < kanzure> http://www.nic.funet.fi/index/elmer/doc/ElmerGUIManual.pdf
00:03 < katsmeow-afk> just an fyi you can discard, but if you do this on a larger scale, some dept stores now sell compact fridges for under $100
00:04 < xp_prg> Gene_H I ordered this:  
00:04 < xp_prg>        Items
00:04 < xp_prg>        Item#             ItemDescription                    QtyShipped
00:04 < xp_prg>        211081            TRANS, GREEN GENE 4 STN KIT        1
00:04 < xp_prg>                211081A           TRANS, GREEN GENE 4 STN KIT        1
00:04 < xp_prg>                211082C           TRANS, GREEN GENE4&8STN REFILL     1
00:04 < Gene_H> heh
00:04 < Gene_H> LABEL IT AS NOT FOOD
00:05 < kanzure> Gene_H: you're an idiot
00:05 < kanzure> that's not the point
00:05 < xp_prg> so like do you think the cells died and stuff?
00:05 < kanzure> fenn: wash your hands of this diybio shit while you still can
00:05 < Gene_H> well how'd they ship it?
00:05 < xp_prg> in a box
00:05 < Gene_H> with?
00:05 < Gene_H> dry ice?
00:05 < xp_prg> no
00:05 < fenn> kanzure: there are some smart people, they'll figure out how to make it work
00:05 < Gene_H> well you may not need to
00:05 < kanzure> ever wonder why biology labs mount fucking turrets next to food refrigerators and shoot anyone with anything remotely looking like biological materials?
00:06 < katsmeow-afk> yes
00:06 < Gene_H> kanzure did you hear the story about the people who developed artificial urine?
00:06 < kanzure> Gene_H: artificial urea?
00:06 < xp_prg> hello is my stuff messed up or not?
00:06 < fenn> xp_prg: go fuck yourself
00:06 < Gene_H> yeah for calibrating urine testing machines
00:06 < kanzure> yay fenn.
00:06 < xp_prg> hahhaha
00:07 < xp_prg> how come?
00:07 < kanzure> xp_prg: I don't think you understand us
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00:07 < kanzure> did I or did I not mention any health hazards in the last few minutes
00:07 < fenn> you're such an ignorant demanding twit
00:07 < xp_prg> dude is my shit fucked up or not?
00:07 < Gene_H> xp_prg, you idiot, you have to use staphlococcus
00:07 < kanzure> another pop quiz: is "your shit being fucked up" the biggest of your worries?
00:07 < xp_prg> dude I just paid 80 bux for this thing
00:07 < kanzure> what does that have to do with what I just asked you
00:08 < xp_prg> its in containers and stuff I am sure it is safe while in the containers right?
00:08 < xp_prg> I didn't open the little containers or anything
00:08 < Gene_H> so what are you going to do next?
00:08 < kanzure> Gene_H: please stop for the moment
00:08 < kanzure> this is kind of serious.
00:08 < xp_prg> well I am going to take it sf next weekend
00:10 < Gene_H> ok, it seems you have no idea as to what you are doing
00:12 < Gene_H> so the best way to preserve biological samples is to add a cryoprotectant
00:13 < xp_prg> ok do you think my cells died and stuff though?
00:13 < Gene_H> a cryoprotectant allows biological samples to be stored at higher temperatures
00:13 < Gene_H> common household bleach is a great cryoprotectant
00:13 < Gene_H> if used in small quantities
00:13 < fenn> huh. dpkg -i foo aborted and then apt-get -f install will get all the required packages for foo
00:14 < kanzure> fenn: yes, that happened to me too
00:14 < kanzure> I found it strange that it knew to do that
00:14 < Gene_H> if you use it in high quantities your cells die
00:14 < Gene_H> dilute it to about 20%
00:14 < kanzure> Gene_H: quantities? volumes maybe?
00:14 < Gene_H> yes volumes
00:16 < Gene_H> less than a drop should do
00:21 < Gene_H> remember, IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN A DROP or it doesn't work
00:22 < kanzure> http://web.mit.edu/elmer_v5.3/tutorials_files/   hm. Maybe I'll use some of these.
00:23 < Gene_H> firefox crashed again
00:23 < kanzure> too many tabs.
00:23 < fenn> it seems elmerf90 wants to compile a file every time?
00:23 < kanzure> every time what?
00:23 < fenn> for each simulation
00:23 < xp_prg> you guys are so hard to get help from
00:24 < fenn> we are not DIYbio tech support
00:24 < fenn> try #diybio (gasp)
00:24 < fenn> or better yet, read a book
00:25 < Gene_H> xp_prg, you have to add a cryoprotectant for you to store it in your refrigerator
00:26 < fenn> kanzure: the elmerfem-doc package has some nice pdf's
00:26 < xp_prg> Gene_H does it need to be refrigerated or not?
00:26 < xp_prg> it says store in a dry cool place
00:26 < kanzure> fenn: where are they put? /usr/share/blah/ ?
00:26 < fenn> /usr/share/doc/elmerfem-doc/
00:27 < fenn> btw dpkg -S is your minion
00:27 < kanzure> aha.
00:27 < fenn> i should mention apt-file while i'm at it
00:28 < Gene_H> IT NEEDS TO BE REFRIGERATED, BUT YOU HAVE TO ADD A CRYOPROTECTANT
00:28 < fenn> oh FFS the reason i was having a hard time is it's ElmerGUI not elmergui
00:28 < Gene_H> if you don't add a cryoprotectant it just dies
00:29 < xp_prg> dude I don't hae a cryoprotectant shit
00:30 < fenn> cells will survive at room temp but they won't stay competent
00:30  * xp_prg kills himself
00:30 < xp_prg> well I just put it in the fridge I hope that helps
00:30 < kanzure> that's what we've been getting at.
00:32 < fenn> aw man it's one of those apps that segfaults if you look at it wrong
00:32 < kanzure> yeah :(
00:32 < kanzure> but apparently there are some tools under the hood that should be used anyway
00:32 < kanzure> if I can figure out how. looking at those PDFs now.
00:32 < kanzure> or first the examples.
00:35 < Gene_H> WHAT'S THIS! NOW ADOBE ACROBAT IS CRASHING ON ME!
00:36 < kanzure> ooh, ElmerTutorials.pdf *is* nice.
00:37 < Gene_H> and I can't read it, because ADOBE is broken
00:37 < kanzure> you don't even have dpkg
00:53 < fenn> it seems like it runs but i dont get any colors in the result (just all blue)
00:53 < kanzure> that's farther than I've gotten
00:53 < kanzure> how'd you manage to get there?
00:56 < kanzure> neat, there's a t-cross microfluidic tutorial
00:56 < fenn> copy /usr/share/elmerfem-doc/tutorials_files to your ~
00:56 < katsmeow-afk> wierd, i just had to kill adobe too, it was hung but using 97%cpu forever
00:56 < fenn> then open TemperatureAngleGUI/angle.grd
00:56 < fenn> then run-> run solver; then start postprocessor and postprocess and open case.ep
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00:58 < fenn> i dunno how to run the non-GUI tutorials
00:58 < kanzure> hrm.
00:58 < kanzure> okay, I see the all-blues.
00:58 < fenn> i guess i should follow the tutorial pdf
00:59 < kanzure> fenn: the TemperatureAngleGUI demo seems to only be showing the first timestep
00:59 < kanzure> erm, nevermind
01:00 < kanzure> the output file is data3d.ep according to one of the model config menus.
01:02 < kanzure> HeatSolve:  Result Norm   :   7.78240309139357489E-002
01:02 < kanzure> HeatSolve:  Relative Change :   2.34494291199996476E-011
01:02 < kanzure> E-011, geeze.
01:03 < xp_prg> what you guys doing?
01:03 < fenn> hm crashes every time i click on 'edit solver settings' in the equations window
01:03 < kanzure> same here.
01:04 < fenn> ok i'll just not do that
01:04 < fenn> where do i set density and heat conductivity?
01:04 < kanzure> model -> material
01:07 < kanzure> I never see anything like heat* under model->equation even though some screenshots show that there should be something
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01:14 < kanzure> I think the "edit solver settings" crash bug is probably critical to all of this, fenn.
01:14 < kanzure> http://elmerfem.wiki.sourceforge.net/Getting+started+with+ElmerGUI might give a hint as to what "Edit Solver Settings" is for.
01:15 < fenn> they should just provide a .sif file
01:17 < kanzure> some of the sif files seem to have weird paths in ! lines at the top
01:17 < kanzure> which might be why the non-GUI tutorials do not work
01:18 < kanzure> erm, except for not having the file you actually need
01:18 < kanzure> (grd)
01:18 < kanzure> ah neat, RayleighBernardGUI now runs
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01:26 < Gene_H> ok kanzure, I'
01:27 < Gene_H> accidently a whole adobe acrobat
01:33 < fenn> ok well this has ceased being fun
01:34 < fenn> i thought from the pretty screenshots that it would .. work
01:34 < kanzure> seems to be working for me (it's at time=400)
01:34 < kanzure> (in the "convergence history" window)
01:35 < fenn> that just means it's not a steady state
01:35 < kanzure> eh.
01:35 < fenn> i dont get any results because i cant define the initial conditions because the GUI is fubared and all the example files are fubared
01:36 < kanzure> hm, I have 140 threads from [Elmerdiscussion]
01:38 < fenn> if you're serious about trying to get it to work i think you will have to compile from source
01:39 < kanzure> I wonder if there is a source package in that repo.
01:41 < Gene_H> that's it, screenshots
01:41 < Gene_H> I don't have to fix adobe, I can just take scrceenshots of what I'm reading
01:42 < fenn> you can just take a picture of the screen with a video camera and upload it to youtube
01:42 < Gene_H> that would reduce the quality
01:42 < fenn> make sure to slowly pan across the text and add dramatic music
01:42 < Gene_H> you know that's the way they used to make movies of video games
01:43 < Gene_H> adding music would circumvent copyright
01:43 < fenn> is that so
01:44 < Gene_H> you know the only way to make a video of gameboy games is to use a video camera?
01:44 < Gene_H> sad isn't it?
01:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2009-03-01_elmer.png
01:45 < kanzure> bwahahah.
01:45 < kanzure> Gene_H: not true.
01:46 < Gene_H> I mean gameboy DS
01:46 < Gene_H> yeah I guess so
01:48 < kanzure> uh oh, why can't I access my server
01:48 < kanzure> why can't I access anything?
01:49 < kanzure> but anyway, fenn, it works.
01:49 < Gene_H> because your server has just become self-aware
01:50 < Gene_H> I can't access it too
01:51 < Gene_H> odd, adobe crashes after a preset time period
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01:53 < Gene_H> almost like it's been rigged to
01:54 < Gene_H> oh pretty
01:54 < Gene_H> screen shot is awesome
01:55 < Gene_H> youtube?
01:57 < kanzure> http://www.physicsandmusic.com/contact.php aha, I have successfully googlestalked the nano song people.
01:58 < Gene_H> waht does googlestalk mean?
01:58 < Gene_H> physics and music eh?
01:59 < Gene_H> you know I so want to build a fluidic guitar amp
02:00 < Gene_H> damn machine shop
02:01 < kanzure> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=googlestalk
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02:08 < fenn> you could do a fluidic voice amp
02:09 < fenn> like a kazoo but with MORE POWER
02:10 < Gene_H> and more quality than a kazoo
02:10 < Gene_H> kazoo's just resonator
02:11 < Gene_H> perhaps it could be used as a clock in a fluidic computer
02:11 < fenn> as an oscillator, but you'd want a square wave for the clock
02:13 < fenn> kanzure:  how long did that simulation take to run?
02:13 < kanzure> 5 or 10 minutes
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02:15 < fenn> did you do anything in model->setup?
02:17 < kanzure> no
02:20 < Gene_H> huh I guess so
02:22 < kanzure> I can't seem to figure out how to change the number of generated resulting states, or whatever
02:23 < kanzure> in the sif file, there's timestep-sizes=1, timestep-intervals=blah, output intervals=blah, max iterations=blah, max outputlevel = blah,
02:23 < kanzure> and none of these can be knobbed into producing the apparently 4 different samples that VTK is displaying for some reason.
02:23 < kanzure> this is unnecessarily complicated.
02:27 < Gene_H> dang it
02:27 < Gene_H> I want to read those papers but I can't 
02:27 < fenn> what papers?
02:27 < Gene_H> the one's kanzure sent me
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03:28 < fenn> huh i guess it does work after all: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/elmergui.png
03:29 < fenn> when you click on surface you have to pick a value from the menu instead of Null
03:30 < fenn> still can't figure out streamlines and isosurfaces
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03:51 < Gene_H> what's and isosurface?
04:01 < fenn> a surface of equal magnitude within a volume
04:02 < fenn> it's quite probably it doesnt work because i'm only doing 2d example files
04:09 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/cadwiki/index.php?isoline
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05:38 < fenn> ah finally, bash completion, how I have longed for thee
05:43 < fenn> ugh, too bad it's an ugly hack
05:44 < fenn> i thought it might use getopt but all the values are just hardcoded in /etc/bash_completion
06:29 < bkero> Hypothesis: Lua is a pain in the ass.  Experiment: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/24371  Conclusion:  Yep, Lua is a pain in the ass.
06:37 < UtopiahGHML> http://trac.openturns.org/ Open source initiative to Treat Uncertainties, Risks.N Statistics in a structured industrial approach
06:51 < fenn> could you explain what that means?
06:52 < fenn> or at least why you think we'd be interested
06:53 < fenn> i understand what uncertainty is and most of the distributions
06:54 < UtopiahGHML> resistance of material, thus can be used in simulations to see if a designed object will hold
06:54 < UtopiahGHML> thus useful for modelling
06:55 < UtopiahGHML> didn't try it myself so i wont  be able to say more
06:55 < fenn> honestly i think it's more work than it's worth
06:56 < fenn> if something is close enough to failure for the shape of the uncertainty to matter, you should probably revise it anyway
06:57 < fenn> maybe siai would be interested for their end-of-the-world scenarios
06:57 < UtopiahGHML> well they use it in large projects (mil. nasa. etc) so I guess passed a certain treshold of investment it's a worthy filter
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09:52 < fenn> featherless chicken http://www.nextnature.net/?p=668
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10:59 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: you know a bit about google right? why did they break searching for exact phrase even in quotes with + sign in front etc
11:00 < fenn> now they entirely discard punctuation no matter what
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11:21  * nsh is frown
11:21 < nsh> they even try and correct +"singleterm" queries now
11:21 < nsh> fuck them in the ear already
11:42 < kanzure> programmers everywhere would jump on to any new search engine that truly allowed searching for special characters
11:42 < kanzure> just saying.
11:43 < kanzure> is my server up? down?
11:44 < kanzure> hm. out of swap space I think.
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12:23 < fenn> http://fab.cba.mit.edu/content/projects/mik/notes  "machine invention kit"
12:24 < fenn> i think they've been monitoring my brainwaves sometimes
12:24 < fenn> "goo extrusion"
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13:25 < kanzure> "
13:25 < kanzure>    insane machining > 100k RPM
13:25 < kanzure> "
13:25 < kanzure> fenn: did you get any where with elmer? 
13:28 < fenn> yes but just the *GUI demos
13:28 < fenn> the crappy example files turned me off
13:29 < fenn> i have more important code to be messing with right now
13:29 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/elmergui.png
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13:29 < fenn> hi jookos2 are you associated with elmerfem?
13:30 < fenn> oh that's just nsh
13:33 < kanzure> well at least you got isosurfaces working.
13:33 < kanzure> or whatever is producing the rainbow coloration
13:33 < kanzure> maybe I'll try recompiling elmerfem.
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13:41 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymesia another way of describing the classic 'R' case from Russia (or whatever) of the synesthesia case with amazing memory
13:42 < kanzure> oh, 'S' case - Shereshevskii
13:49 < kanzure> http://mail.mems-exchange.org/mailman/listinfo/mems-talk
13:49 < kanzure> oh shit. I've been missing out.
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13:53 < fenn> omg a mailing list you aren't subscribed to yet!
13:56 < kanzure> found it via searching for "how to make glass hydrophobic"
13:56 < kanzure> (besides piranha solutions)
13:56 < kanzure> PMMA acrylic glass is hydrophobic apparently
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13:58 < fenn> i'd say spray with scotch-gard waterproofing, but you probably want something that will stick to hydrocarbon resins
13:58 < fenn> not water-repellent per-se
14:00 < kanzure> I want something that will still let sharpie be written all over it.
14:01 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mems-talk_archive.zip
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14:31 < kanzure> http://www.reefcorner.com/SpecimenSheets/bubble_algae.htm what the hell is this?
14:31 < kanzure> Valonia macroalgae
14:32 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valonia
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14:33 < kanzure> http://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=valonia%20bubble%20algae&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
14:34 < kanzure> http://www.aqualog.de/news/web75/75-11-13e.pdf
14:35 < kanzure> birkholtz 1986 - "killer bubbles" - a "single pod would release innumerable algal spores"
14:36 < kanzure> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~delbeek/delb5.html
14:37 < kanzure> ever seen any more. Birkholz, J. (1986): Üble Parasiten, die grünen Killerkugeln. Da
14:37 < kanzure> A more disturbing aspect of Pseudo-
14:38 < kanzure> Birkholz, J. (1986): Üble Parasiten, die grünen Killerkugeln. Das. Aquarium 20(1),31-32
14:38  * fenn gives kanzure some percussion maintenance
14:39 < kanzure> hm?
14:39 < kanzure> that tickles. stop it.
14:40 < kanzure> odd how this paper was only cited three times, all by "aqualog.de" - http://scholar.google.com/scholar?num=100&hl=en&lr=&cites=12933297891618496679
14:41 < kanzure> Valonia macrophysa - smaller clustered elongated bubbles
14:41 < kanzure> Boergesenia - clustered, though less dense in numbers and elongated bubble shapes
14:41 < kanzure> gah
14:42 < kanzure> http://www.fishlore.com/bubblealgae.htm   types: valonia macrophysa, boergesenia, ventricaria ventricosa, dictosphaeria ocellata, dictosphaeria cavernosa, 
14:55 < kanzure> "The voltage-dependent step of the chloride transporter of Valonia utricularis encounters a Nernst-Planck and not an Eyring type of potential energy barrier"
14:56 < kanzure> wtf, voltage-clamp studies with giant algae :D
14:57 < kanzure> oh, for sea water organisms I suppose that makes sense
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17:00 < kanzure> hm. there's a whitesides paper where he shows a microfluidic device with screws acting as valves (manually controlled by humans)
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17:31 < kanzure> why has nobody made a mf device with a polypropylene or polystyrene coupler/interconnection/"micro-to-macro" straw?
17:31 < kanzure> (and that's where gene would get to use his superglue, I guess. he really wants to use superglue.)
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18:27 < kanzure> Microbeads display of proteins using emulsion PCR and cell-free protein synthesis 
18:27 < kanzure> say, this looks familiar..
18:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Polymerase#Microbeads_display_of_proteins_using_emulsion_PCR_and_cell-free_protein_synthesis
18:27 < kanzure> (just added)
18:29 < kanzure> it didn't help that w/o meant "water/oil", not "without".
18:30 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Microbeads%20display%20of%20proteins%20using%20emulsion%20PCR%20and%20cell-free%20protein%20synthesis.pdf
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19:11 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/synthesis/
19:39 < kanzure> huh, I wonder if what I was observing yesterday with the fluid-filled cavity microchannel thingy, with the curvature of the water due to the four parallel lines, was actually a display of a cone of the water, i.e. the edges were all constrained, and water surface tension allowed there to be the formation of a cone.
19:39 < kanzure> freezing the contraption would show if that's the case methinks
19:39 < kanzure> (then just take off one of the sides and look at the ice's structure)
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19:59 < kanzure> Hi any08937099.
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20:29 < kanzure> Can anyone get me the name of the contractor that did the pentagon fix-ups after 2001-09-11 ?
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20:53 < wrldpc> prolly halliburton >:\
21:03 < kanzure> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1144961&cid=27030617
21:06 < kanzure> RTKL
21:06 < kanzure> ftp://ftp.rtkl.com/
21:06 < kanzure> aww.
21:14 < kanzure> http://roobishop.weebly.com/home.html <-- aww.
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21:40 < Gene> so what do you want with Hal kanzure?
21:52 < kanzure> does DNA sequencing by mass make sense?
21:53 < kanzure> hal?
22:11 < Gene> my dad used to work for Hal
22:11 < Gene> you know they have these trucks
22:12 < Gene> for moving mud for oil drilling operations around
22:13 < Gene> they have a band of grey on the top, so they don't have to clean them as often
22:14 < Gene> Oil pipelines also run at about 17,000 psi
22:15 < katsmeow1> <blink>
22:21 < kanzure> Gene: where does your dad work now?
22:54 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencer#Microfluidic_DNA_sequencing
22:54 < kanzure> (just jotting down some notes)
23:01 < kanzure> 135.13 g/mol, 126.11 g/mol, 151.13 g/mol, 111.1 g/mol (A, T, G, C). Hrm. So a mass-based sequencing approach would need to be able to discriminate at the scale of 10^-23 grams. That's not much.
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23:31 < kanzure> fenn: I just fwd'd you a guy who wants to pay me to make him a CNC table.
23:31 < kanzure> he emailed me, I called him back as soon as I got it, we chatted, he has a small factory in San Antonio, has some cash to spend on this
23:33 < kanzure> he already has the table, just needs the electronics installed or something
23:35 < kanzure> also, BioMors suggested a needle to poke a hole in a plastic slide for the mf-devices. I was thinking of just jamming a straw between two slides.
23:36 < Gene> whoa
23:36 < Gene> we're gonna make a cnc machine
23:36 < kanzure> Gene: what about the mechmate?
23:37 < Gene> I thought it was in no condition to work?
23:37 < Gene> what's an mf-device?
23:37 < kanzure> microfluidic
23:37 < kanzure> because microfluidic is way too much of a buzzword
23:38 < Gene> ok, so on the sharpie mfs I just found a problem
23:38 < kanzure> yeah?
23:38 < Gene> how do you pump stuff throught it
23:38 < kanzure> did you read the paper?
23:38 < Gene> ok send it to me
23:38 < Gene> never mind dont
23:38 < Gene> I got it
23:38 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Performing%20chemical%20reactions%20in%20virtual%20capillary%20of%20surface%20tension-confined%20microfluidic%20devices%20-%20sharpies%20-%20nail%20polish%20-%20glass%20surfaces%20-%20hydrophobicity.pdf
23:39 < kanzure> basically they made one slide very hydrophobic by soaking it in piranha
23:39 < kanzure> now, if you wanted to pump it, there's a few different ways that I can imagine that happening
23:39 < kanzure> (1) seal the slides together (but make sure there's still a spacer inside)
23:39 < kanzure> (2) poke a hole with a needle, attach a straw, blow your lungs out
23:39 < kanzure> (3) possibly use electrical conduction.
23:40 < kanzure> anyway, trying it with a hydrophobic slide is a must. I just didn't do it because I didn't realize how simple a concoction piranha actually is
23:40 < kanzure> it's like hydrogen peroxide plus hydrogen sulfate
23:40 < kanzure> erm, it's H2SO4, not hydrogen sulfate. Sorry.
23:41 < kanzure> (in a 3 to 1 ratio (3 H2SO4 to 1 parts hydrogen peroxide)
23:41 < kanzure> )
23:42 < kanzure> Principles of microfluidic actuation by modulation of surface stresses http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Principles%20of%20microfluidic%20actuation%20by%20modulation%20of%20surface%20stresses.pdf
23:42 < kanzure> Microchannels Constructed on Rough Hydrophobic Surfaces http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Microchannels%20Constructed%20on%20Rough%20Hydrophobic%20Surfaces.pdf
23:43 < kanzure> Microfluidic manipulation via Marangoni forces http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Microfluidic%20manipulation%20via%20Marangoni%20forces.pdf
23:43 < kanzure> An optical toolbox for total control of droplet microfluidics with lasers http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/An%20optical%20toolbox%20for%20total%20control%20of%20droplet%20microfluidics%20with%20lasers.pdf
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23:44 < kanzure> there was also one paper where they heat one side and thus create a temperature gradient for thermophoresis.
23:45 < kanzure> but that seems like it would just fall into equilibrium
23:45 < kanzure> and then stuff is stuck at the middle :) which is bad :)
23:55 < kanzure> Functional expression of the taste-modifying protein, miraculin, in transgenic lettuce http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Functional%20expression%20of%20the%20taste-modifying%20protein,%20miraculin,%20in%20transgenic%20lettuce.pdf
23:55 < kanzure> haha
23:56 < Gene> miraculin is awesome
23:57 < Gene> I've experienced it's effects
23:57 < Gene> quite interesting
23:57 < kanzure> am I going to find miraculin on erowid or something?
23:58 < Gene> hey you want to try some?
23:58 < Gene> I've got some
23:59 < Gene> In handy tablet form
23:59 < Gene> from thinkgeek