--- Day changed Mon Mar 09 2009 00:30 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:48 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-84-143.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:49 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:53 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:01 < kanzure> Hey ybit. 01:03 < ybit> hi kanzure 01:05 < ybit> i've been busy preparing to be productive :) 01:05 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:09 < xp_prg> hi kanzure you here? 01:11 < gene_> is your skin glowing under a blacklight? 01:19 < xp_prg> ya 01:19 < kanzure> ybit: preparing to be? 01:19 < ybit> yup, sadly 01:20 < ybit> but, it's only for a week 01:20 < ybit> the preparation 01:22 < xp_prg> kanzure I am trying to present about my embryology experiment tomorrow night, can you be thinking of good papers I could reference please? 01:34 < kanzure> you haven't been reading any papers? 01:41 < xp_prg> kanzure well I want to, was hoping you could guide me to some is all :( 01:41 < kanzure> yay, I get to pick out some hardware for the lab 01:42 * kanzure wonders if he can get a 16 GB RAM server rack.. 01:47 < ybit> 16gb of ram, lame. you don't know what power is until you've experienced my 768mb server farm 01:48 < ybit> :) 01:48 < ybit> brb 01:48 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 01:48 < katsmeow-afk> why ram? 01:49 < katsmeow-afk> altho, if that HP memory works out, server farms may be giving away their harddrives 02:01 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-133.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:11 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-133.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:11 < gene_> so kanzure, I've been thinking 02:12 < gene_> a 128X128 digital picture frame cost $10, this has 16384 pixels 02:13 < gene_> if you can use maskless array gene synthesis to do 8 nucleotides per pixel 02:14 < gene_> you get 131072 nucleotides or 131 KB 02:15 < gene_> that's a lot 02:17 < gene_> 131 kbp I mean 02:23 < gene_> http://www.biochem.wisc.edu/courses/biochem660/Reading/Singh-Gasson_NatureBiotech_DNAarrays.pdf 02:23 < gene_> $60 in chemicals 02:25 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-84-143.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:53 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-133.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:53 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:04 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 04:15 -!- gentoo [n=gentoo@c-71-207-247-209.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- gentoo is now known as ybit 04:39 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:52 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:07 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9D814.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:24 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9E8F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:32 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:41 -!- ybit [n=gentoo@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:44 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:38 < kanzure> http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Open_Up_Government_Data 09:38 < kanzure> an editor at Wired has asked me to contribute to their article/wiki on the topic 10:01 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/Austin-Hacking-Society?lnk=li&hl=en 10:01 < kanzure> seems to be the James Choate mailing list 10:11 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 < kanzure> http://www.opencascade.org/support/products/advsamples/ " 10:30 < kanzure> The Advanced Samples Pack is provided with the full source code and is only available to our support clients." 10:30 < kanzure> blah. Two of those screenshots are of a gear and one of a gear + camshaft. 10:47 < kanzure> fenn, have you seen this? http://www.pythonocc.org/ 10:47 < kanzure> "pythonOCC is a set of open-source Python bindings for OpenCascade, a 3D modeling & numerical simulation library. It currently wraps more than 7000 OpenCascade classes, that is, about 50% of the whole library content. pythonOCC may be distributed under the terms the CeCILL Licence." 10:47 < kanzure> seems to have an odd license 11:09 < kanzure> when I saw watchmen the other night, there was a line in the movie along the lines of ".. because anything free must be socialism, right?~~~ ", and the audience laughed. Shows that all hope is not, in fact, lost. 11:10 * kanzure compiles OpenCASCADE. 11:12 < kanzure> apt-get install bibutils 11:16 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/campbell/bibliography/ 11:18 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/simplybibtex/ 11:40 < kanzure> bibutils: http://www.refbase.net/index.php/Bibutils 11:40 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/bibliography/SimplyBibTeX/index.php?db=data%2Fcampbell.bib 12:14 < kanzure> hm, OpenCASCADE is still compiling. 12:30 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:01 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:09 < kanzure> ok, finally done compiling opencascade 13:09 < fenn> wtf did you do that for 13:10 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/campbell/bibliography/ via bibutils. 13:10 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/bibliography/SimplyBibTeX/index.php?db=data%2Fcampbell.bib 13:10 < kanzure> fenn, have you seen this? http://www.pythonocc.org/ 13:11 < fenn> looking at it now, highly awesome 13:11 < fenn> i can't believe that guy who wrote pythonizer sat on it for six years 13:11 < kanzure> I thought he was still sitting on it? 13:12 < xp_prg> kanzure I have used opencascade 13:12 < fenn> he is 13:14 < xp_prg> it is a full scenegraph 13:14 < xp_prg> it works on top of opengl and abstracts many 3d construction details 13:16 < fenn> since you can use .dll's for the windows version i bet you can just use the libopencascade6.2-dev package 13:16 < fenn> sorry, libopencascade-dev 13:18 < xp_prg> kanzure how do you hope to use it just curious? 13:18 < xp_prg> what is pythonizer sat? 13:19 < kanzure> fenn: shit. 13:19 < kanzure> now I feel silly 13:20 < kanzure> hm, I can't apt-get it because libopencascade-foundation-6.3.0 does not exist 13:20 < fenn> aroo? 13:20 < xp_prg> fenn what does he hope to use it for? 13:21 < kanzure> xp_prg: why are you asking. 13:21 < kanzure> go away. 13:21 < xp_prg> just curious, maybe I can help :> 13:21 < fenn> sudo apt-get install libopencascade-dev 13:21 < kanzure> fenn: right. 13:21 < kanzure> does it work for you? 13:21 < fenn> apt-get does, about to run pythonocc 13:22 < xp_prg> you can compile from source, I know how to do that kanzure 13:22 < kanzure> xp_prg: why are you unable to read? 13:22 < kanzure> I specifically said that I have compiled it from source. 13:22 < kanzure> jeebus. 13:23 < xp_prg> well your doing apt-get install, you don't do that if you install from source 13:23 < kanzure> do you know why fenn suggested apt-get install? 13:23 < kanzure> it's because I was compiling from source 13:23 < kanzure> so he suggested apt-get. 13:23 < kanzure> what's so hard to understand about this? 13:24 < xp_prg> ok :> 13:24 < fenn> ah i'm so glad i finally turned on ignore 13:26 < fenn> oh great another fucking weird-ass french license 13:27 < kanzure> ah, I had backports in my sources.list, so I've fixed it now 13:35 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/links.htm heh' we have a twitter feed 13:36 < kanzure> fenn, how did you run pythonocc? 13:36 < kanzure> I went into src/ and ran python setup.py, but then it doesn't find "module_builder' 13:37 < xp_prg> kanzure usually it is python setup.py install 13:38 < fenn> yeah i can't find Utils/ 13:38 < kanzure> hm, I can't find 'swig' 13:38 < fenn> i dont know what CAS_ROOT is supposed to be either 13:38 < kanzure> apt-get install swig. 13:39 < kanzure> okay, now it's working, except g++ has now exited. blah. 13:39 < kanzure> I need to go. will fight with this later. 13:48 < fenn> *facepalm* out of disk space 14:40 < ybit> nice find kanzure: pythonocc 14:41 < ybit> or was it fenn... i'll read the log, still nice find 14:42 < fenn> i think debian's package is missing a number of files pythonocc expects 14:42 < fenn> Standard_ThreadId.hxx for example 14:44 < fenn> hey it's only 3 files that's not bad 14:45 < fenn> Standard_PCharacter.hxx and Standard_PExtCharacter.hxx 14:47 < fenn> oh. those are in 6.3 15:06 * fenn tries again with opennovation.org packages 15:06 < ybit> 13:10 < fenn> since you can use .dll's for the windows version i bet you can just use the libopencascade6.2-dev package 15:06 < ybit> 13:13 < kanzure> fenn: shit. 15:06 < ybit> 13:10 < fenn> since you can use .dll's for the windows version i bet you can just use the libopencascade6.2-dev package 15:06 < ybit> 13:13 < kanzure> fenn: shit. 15:06 < ybit> 13:13 < kanzure> now I feel silly 15:06 < fenn> ybit: yes? 15:06 < ybit> hehe, i did the same thing nearly two weeks ago 15:07 < fenn> it turns out i was wrong 15:07 < ybit> really? 15:07 < ybit> why so? 15:07 < fenn> pythonocc is meant to be used with 6.3 15:07 < ybit> ah 15:07 < fenn> now i'm trying a different set of packages 15:07 < fenn> if i have to compile OCC it's "the wrong way" 15:26 < fenn> well i'm stumped 15:26 < fenn> it seems to mostly work, then fails on some obscure swig python error handling thing 15:27 < fenn> undefined reference to `PyExc_MemoryError' PyExc_IOError PyExc_RuntimeError PyExc_IndexError 15:27 < fenn> and so on for about a thousand lines 15:51 < kanzure-_> fenn: what are you stumped at in particular? did you get the 6.3 package from opennovation.org's repository? 15:52 < kanzure-_> occ 6.3 successfully compiled, but then cd src/ ; make install hangs for a while. I suppose I should go run that in the background while I'm not actually at home sitting around. 15:53 < fenn> well it seems to get past all the opencascade stuff and now i'm just stuck on some silly python/swig error 15:53 -!- ybit is now known as hmatlock 15:53 < fenn> and yes 6.3 is from opennovation 15:55 < fenn> http://pastebin.ca/1356801 is what i did, more or less 15:56 < kanzure-_> is your server still broken? 15:57 -!- hmatlock is now known as heath2 15:57 -!- heath2 is now known as heath_ 15:57 < heath_> sorry for the nick changes 15:57 < fenn> apparently 15:58 -!- heath_ is now known as ybit 15:58 < ybit> bah, i'll stick w/ the original 15:59 < kanzure-_> You don't have write acces to /usr/local/inc directory. Please use 'sudo python setup.py build'. 15:59 < kanzure-_> OopenCascade CAS_ROOT environment variable not set. 15:59 < kanzure-_> hrm. 16:00 < fenn> oh export CASROOT=/usr/share/opencascade/6.3.0/ 16:00 < kanzure-_> irssi asks you if you want to paste when the lines that you are pasting are more than 6. why isn't a plugin to dump the paste over the web installed by default? 16:00 < kanzure-_> ah, I think I have to ln -s /usr/local/inc to point over to /usr/local/include 16:01 < fenn> you're supposed to change environment.py :\ 16:01 < fenn> and it should be /usr/include/opencascade not /usr/local/include 16:01 < fenn> yes, this is a pain 16:02 < kanzure-_> error: package directory '/home/bryan/cad/pythonOCC-md0.1/src/../Utils' does not exist 16:02 < kanzure-_> hrm. 16:02 < kanzure-_> it's true, Utils does not exist in next to src/ 16:07 < kanzure-_> I didn't run 16:07 < kanzure-_> svn co svn://svn.gna.org/svn/pythonocc/trunk pythonOCC though. 16:09 < fenn> i dont think the Utils dir has anything important 16:09 < kanzure-_> were you able to find the headers? 16:09 < kanzure-_> oh right. 6.3 16:12 < kanzure-_> http://www.opennovation.org/debian/pool/main/opencascade/opencascade_6.3.0.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz 16:12 < fenn> what about it 16:12 < kanzure-_> guess I need to install it 16:12 < kanzure-_> or at least the -dev package. 16:12 < fenn> get libopencascade-visualization-dev and libopencascade-ocaf-dev 16:12 < fenn> that should get everything 16:15 < kanzure-_> lots of undefined reference errors. 16:16 < fenn> ok so at least it's not just me 16:17 < kanzure-_> shouldn't there be something in /usr/lib/opencascade/ to represent compiled opencascade libraries that ld is supposed to link to? 16:18 < fenn> i think passing -shared to g++ should do something 16:18 < fenn> (not that i have any clue what the problem is or what the solution is) 16:20 < fenn> eh guess not 16:20 < kanzure-_> that involves editing setup.py? 16:20 < fenn> nevermind 16:21 < fenn> it already uses -shared 16:22 < kanzure-_> https://mail.gna.org/public/pythonocc-users/2008-12/msg00000.html 16:22 < kanzure-_> hm, it already uses g++ though 16:23 < kanzure-_> https://mail.gna.org/public/pythonocc-users/2009-01/msg00002.html 16:23 < kanzure-_> hah, there's like overall 2 total linux users of this package. 16:25 < fenn> yeah and i think they're using fedor 16:25 < fenn> unless you count the dev a user 16:26 < kanzure-_> https://mail.gna.org/public/pythonocc-users/2009-02/msg00011.html " 16:26 < kanzure-_> https://mail.gna.org/public/pythonocc-users/2009-02/msg00011.html " 16:26 < kanzure-_> On my Linux Ubuntu 8.04 system, this generator fails to parse AdvApp2Var_* 16:26 < kanzure-_> headers and to generate the AdvApp2Var.i SWIG file. However, this file is 16:26 < kanzure-_> part of the /SWIG_src_modular_linux_darwin'. How is it possible? The answer: 16:26 < kanzure-_> I just copied/pasted the Windows AdvApp2Var.i file to this directory! And the 16:26 < kanzure-_> compilation works on Ubuntu 8.04 (in a sense, it's a miracle, that's why I'm 16:26 < kanzure-_> not surprised by the issue you mention)." 16:27 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9D814.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:27 < bkero> lolswig 16:28 < fenn> swig is such a pain in the ass for being "simple" 16:29 < fenn> spent two days trying to get it to work on my own example file, following tutorials 16:31 < kanzure-_> https://mail.gna.org/public/pythonocc-users/2009-03/msg00000.html 16:31 < kanzure-_> so Thomas says that the problem is fixed in the latest svn version as of six days ago, but I disagree 16:37 < fenn> god dammit kanzure 16:37 < fenn> it's MY ERROR REPORT 16:37 < fenn> MINE MINE MINE 16:38 < fenn> and you shouldnt attach 800kb to a mailing list, it's bad manners 16:46 < fenn> one of these days i'll get an email address that doesn't make me wait 45 minutes for everything 16:52 < kanzure-_> fenn: it's not a mailing list. 16:52 < kanzure-_> I mean, I sent that off-list. 16:53 < kanzure-_> also, it's 600kb. 16:55 < kanzure-_> hm, ADL uses 61 MB of the 2 GB hdd that runs www.me.utexas.edu. 16:55 < kanzure-_> in total, 120 MB is used from /home/ on that machine. 17:14 < kanzure-_> fenn: thomas suggests 'scons' 17:44 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 17:44 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:48 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has quit [Client Quit] 17:59 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-84-143.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-84-143.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:05 < fenn> sigh.. -lpython2.5 18:06 < fenn> i hate build scripts 18:07 < kanzure-_> what computer should we get for the lab, fenn? any thoughts? we have a bunch of dell optiplex 755s ("intel core duo"s) 18:08 < fenn> i have no idea 18:08 < kanzure-_> bkero: you spend lots of monies on computers, what's hot these days? 18:08 < bkero> kanzure-_: In terms of what? 18:08 < kanzure-_> lab needs a server, and money isn't much of an issue, so something with 2 or 4 GB of RAM and lots of yummy storage space would be nice 18:09 < kanzure-_> ooh, maybe I'll go with the hdd that linus reviewed on his blog 18:13 < kanzure-_> uh, so I have an 18 GB perl file and it has a systematic parse error that can be fixed by replacing all ] by ], 18:13 < kanzure-_> however, this is not something that I want to open up vim for. 18:13 < kanzure-_> is this a job for sed or awk or something? 18:27 < bkero> Heh 18:27 < bkero> Go with some Intel SSDs, 16gb RAM, dual xeons 18:27 < bkero> or dual shanghais 18:27 < bkero> kanzure-_: sed in place 18:31 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:39 < fenn> 18GB perl file.. WTF 18:40 < bkero> sed -e /\[/[,/g file.pl 18:41 < bkero> sed -e '/\[/[,/g' file.pl 18:43 < fenn> don't you want -i instead of -e? 18:43 < fenn> anyway the problem is the 18GB perl file 18:46 < bkero> Whatever the in place sed flag is 18:46 < bkero> Yea, -i too 20:03 < fenn> wow no more french license 20:06 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-198.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:44 < gene_> > http://www.biochem.wisc.edu/courses/biochem660/Reading/Singh-Gasson_NatureBiotech_DNAarrays.pdf 20:46 < fenn> surprising they used masks instead of LCD 20:46 < fenn> that's one mask per base pair per array 20:46 < fenn> == a lot of masks! 20:48 < fenn> apparently LCD projectors use 0.7" diagonal LCD panels 20:49 < gene_> what they used masks? 20:50 < gene_> they show how to synthesize the photocapper I think 20:50 < gene_> it requires phosgene... 20:50 < fenn> sounds scary 20:50 < fenn> (and unnecessary) 20:50 < gene_> Synthesis of photolabile phosphoramidites. The MeNPOC-HEG-cyanoethylphosphoramidite 20:50 < gene_> (CEP) and MeNPOC-base-CEPs were synthesized 20:50 < gene_> according to the protocol described by McGall and colleagues8. Briefly, 3,4- 20:50 < gene_> (methylenedioxy)acetophenone (Aldrich Chemical Co., Milwaukee, WI) was 20:50 < gene_> reacted with glacial acetic acid and 70% (vol/vol) HNO3 to produce methyl 20:50 < gene_> 3,4-(methylenedioxy)-6-nitrophenyl ketone. This molecule was reacted with 20:50 < gene_> sodium borohydride to produce (R,S)-1-(3,4-(methylenedioxy)-6-nitrophenyl) 20:51 < gene_> ethanol, which was then reacted with phosgene to produce (R,S)-1- 20:51 < gene_> (3,4-(methylenedioxy)-6-nitrophenyl)ethyl chloroformate (MeNPOC-Cl). 20:51 < gene_> This molecule was attached to hexaethylglycol and A(PAC), C(ibu), and 20:51 < gene_> G(ibu). These molecules were then converted to phosphoramidites by reacting 20:51 < gene_> with 2-cyanoethyl N,N,N’,N’-tetraisopropylphosphorodiamidite and 20:51 < gene_> diisopropyl ammonium tetrazolide to produce the final products. 20:51 < gene_> fenn I like scary things 20:51 < gene_> anyway the chemicals cost $60 20:51 < gene_> but think about it fenn 20:52 < gene_> an 128^2 lcd screen cost ~$10 20:52 < gene_> 116 384 pixels 20:52 < gene_> 16 384 pixels 20:52 < gene_> 18 nucleotides per pixel 20:53 < gene_> 294 912 nucleotides 20:54 < gene_> 294 kbp 20:54 < gene_> that's a lot 20:58 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:01 < gene_> dang that method needs a standard DNA synthesizer 21:05 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:10 < gene_> what exactly is a standard dna synthesis? 21:10 < gene_> synthesizer 21:31 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:41 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-198.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:27 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:28 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-173.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:29 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-194-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:40 -!- splicer_ [n=patrik@h80n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:37 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:38 < xp_prg> guys I need help a PHD in protein folding is coming over in 30 minutes he wants to see some papers on embryonic forming in xenopus, can you guys help me find some real quick? 23:40 < gene_> www.pharyngula.com 23:40 < gene_> enjoy 23:42 < xp_prg> where would you recommend me putting up a wiki for my project? 23:48 < gene_> yes 23:55 < fenn> gah 23:55 < kanzure> you fail at life 23:56 < fenn> "we will ensure that our government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction. it is dangerous, profoundly wrong, and has no place in our society or any society." -barak obama 23:56 < fenn> in his stem cell speech 23:57 < kanzure> fuuuck. 23:57 * kanzure hides his artificial womb under his bed. 23:58 < xp_prg> kanzure will you please help me find some good papers on embryonic dna programming of xenopus eggs? 23:58 < kanzure> xp_prg: so you're trying to do a project that you haven't read any papers on? 23:58 < kanzure> you previously said that you were afraid that you don't understand anything 23:58 < xp_prg> I bought a book man! 23:58 < kanzure> so let me get this straight 23:58 < kanzure> you're afraid of information and knowledge 23:58 < kanzure> and not only that, but, 23:58 < xp_prg> a guy with a phd in protein folding is coming over in 8 minutes help! 23:58 < kanzure> you didn't even read through any papers? 23:58 < xp_prg> he is going to help me 23:59 < gene_> Umm kanzure, can you find a nice safe place for me to hide my micromanipulator? 23:59 < gene_> xp_prg 23:59 < gene_> think faster 23:59 < xp_prg> I bought coming to life by Christiane Nusslein-Volhard 23:59 < kanzure> why did you buy a book? 23:59 < xp_prg> so I could learn 23:59 < kanzure> how does that help learn? 23:59 < xp_prg> kanzure seriously I don't have a lot of time just give me a few papers I beg of you!!! 23:59 < kanzure> you won't read them.