--- Day changed Mon Mar 23 2009 00:50 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-175-60.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]"] 01:15 -!- a [n=heath@c-71-207-247-209.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- a [n=heath@c-71-207-247-209.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap ["parted"] 02:04 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-197-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:43 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:02 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@c-98-217-178-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:05 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-98-217-197-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:34 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@c-98-217-178-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:32 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:44 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:15 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- Netsplit barjavel.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: drazak 06:01 -!- Netsplit over, joins: drazak 06:56 -!- elias` [n=me@194.81.254.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- samrose [n=samrose@oh-69-69-33-40.sta.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:28 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:34 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:35 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:37 < kanzure> drazak: in particular, PCA is where you have 40-nt oligos, and you join them together into longer strands. 09:37 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:37 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:38 < kanzure> ref: Single-step assembly of a gene and entire plasmid from large numbers of oligodeoxyribonucleotides 10:01 < kanzure> would anyone be interested in a rubber band ball of DNA ligated together from different organisms? it might be something fun to pass around between diybio people 10:23 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/oligo-errors/ 10:50 < kanzure> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html 10:50 < kanzure> heh, I see what he's getting at 10:50 < kanzure> if you set up a repository of free "javascript patches", you suddenly brake the "web 2.0 AJAX" startup business models sorta 11:03 < kanzure> I looked at 'similar pages' to my home page via google, and found this: http://www.umsl.edu/~fraundorfp/isocore.html The core structure of pre-solar graphite onions 11:14 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:11 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:11 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:11 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:33 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:50 < drazak> kanzure: how do you know they're going to form a certain way? 15:04 < kanzure> that what are going to form a certain way? 15:32 < kanzure> the DNA thing? just ligate strands of DNA together. 15:33 < kanzure> hah, scotch tape gives off x-rays when peeled 15:33 < kanzure> http://blogs.america.gov/science/2008/11/03/scotch-tape-makes-x-rays/ 15:33 < kanzure> "physicists from the University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA) discovered that peeling Scotch tape emits bursts of X-rays so plentiful that scientists were able to capture an X-ray image of a human finger." 15:33 < kanzure> hahah 15:34 < fenn> zoinks 15:34 < kanzure> " 15:35 < kanzure> X-rays are only produced when tape is peeled in a vacuum, so there is no danger of radiation exposure when using tape in your office. According to Camara, X-ray emission is not specific to Scotch tape. Other types of adhesive tape, such as Magic tape, also produce X-rays." 15:35 < kanzure> wonder how much of a vacuum 15:35 < kanzure> “Correlation between nanosecond X-ray flashes and stick-slip friction in peeling tape” by Carlos G. Camara, Juan V. Escobar, Jonathan R. Hird and Seth J. Putterman, published in the October 23 issue of Nature. 15:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Correlation%20between%20nanosecond%20X-ray%20flashes%20and%20stick-slip%20friction%20in%20peeling%20tape.pdf 15:37 < kanzure> hm, you could probably put a roll of tape on the same mechanism that rolls magnetic tape in VHS players/recorders 16:05 < drazak> kanzure: yeah, people have known that for awhile 16:05 < drazak> kanzure: some types of tape used to fog films, when you pulled them off in a darkroom they'd leave an image of a human finger 16:09 -!- bkero [n=bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:12 -!- bkero [n=bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:25 < kanzure> huh, so PMMA is a good substrate for LIGA (x-ray lithography) 16:25 < kanzure> s/substrate/photoresist/ 16:25 < kanzure> PMMA = plexiglass 16:39 < kanzure> so just need a vacuum pump capable of something like 10^-2 or 10^-3 mbar, or just 10^-3 torr 16:43 < kanzure> I wonder why it has to be a vacuum. what about just a lead box? 17:34 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-165.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:35 < gene> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127001.300-space-storm-alert-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news 17:47 -!- bkero [n=bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 17:52 -!- bkero [n=bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:57 < gene> http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Water_integrator/ 18:00 < gene> those soviets 18:39 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:21 < gene> http://www.cs.wayne.edu/~kjz/KPZ/PublicationsOnline/ComKISSV18N8P78/ComKISSV18N8P78.html 20:12 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 20:13 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-81-121.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:13 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:00 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:31 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:31 -!- Netsplit barjavel.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: gene 21:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: gene 21:52 < kanzure> did anyone see the spam to the virgle list? 21:52 < kanzure> somebody said "piezoelectricity can't be explained, here is a quantum" or something 21:52 < kanzure> http://www.elkadot.com/physical-chemistry/Piezoelectric%20Effect.htm 21:52 < kanzure> from the page: 21:52 < kanzure> " 21:52 < kanzure> In actual orthodox explanation, it is not clear what does it mean a charge separation in a crystal, and where this charge is generated. 21:52 < kanzure> " 21:52 < kanzure> I conclude that this individual might be a moron. 22:03 < kanzure> is there a chart anywhere on the net that tries to associate different levels of vacuum with different experiences from day-to-day life? 22:18 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@adsl-75-42-81-121.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:18 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@75.42.81.121] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:29 < gene> kanzure, holographic brain theory, what do you make of it? 22:29 < kanzure> load of crap 22:29 < kanzure> avoid avoid avoid 22:32 < gene> that's what I thought 22:32 < gene> you saw the artificial neuron 22:32 < kanzure> what? 22:33 < kanzure> there are many simulations of neurons 22:33 < gene> the chemical version 22:33 < kanzure> is it a chemical Hodgkin Huxley calculation? 22:33 < kanzure> or a chemical perceptron? 22:35 < gene> http://www.cs.wayne.edu/~kjz/KPZ/PublicationsOnline/ComKISSV18N8P78/ComKISSV18N8P78.html 22:36 < kanzure> wait, is this like the Poop Machine? 22:39 < gene> uh I don't know 22:39 < gene> didn't really read in detail 23:07 < gene> found it on an internet search for something else 23:07 < gene> thought you'd be interested 23:08 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:15 < kanzure> the physics lab class was actually useful tonight 23:15 < kanzure> I got a chance to play around with imagej 23:15 < kanzure> it's actually more usable than the gimp 23:16 < gene> what'd you do? 23:19 < gene> back in my day we never used photo editing applications in lab experiments 23:20 < kanzure> yeah, it was kind of stupid 23:20 < kanzure> we were imaging the angular motion of a puck on a 2D surface 23:20 < kanzure> kinda boring too.. 23:20 < kanzure> how much am I paying for this again? 23:20 < gene> and what did you track it with a camera? 23:20 < kanzure> yes 23:21 < gene> was there a marker on the puck? 23:21 < kanzure> basically the TA wants us to assume a pixel is a coordinate 23:21 < kanzure> no 23:21 < kanzure> it was just monochrome. 23:21 < kanzure> filtered into monochrome, I mean 23:21 < gene> damn 23:21 < kanzure> yeah, sucks. 23:21 < gene> in real time? 23:21 < kanzure> meh, it had a bad frame rate 23:21 < kanzure> and bad exposure time 23:21 < gene> holy shit that's a lot more awesome than anything I did in physics 23:21 < kanzure> in fact, it was bad all over 23:21 < kanzure> what? 23:21 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:21 < gene> did you have to write code for it? 23:21 < kanzure> no 23:22 < gene> dang 23:22 < kanzure> imagej is an open source image processing application 23:22 < kanzure> go get it. 23:22 < gene> actually that's a pretty good assumption 23:22 < gene> on a 3d surface as in an airhockey table? 23:22 < kanzure> 2D 23:22 < kanzure> airhockey table is 2D 23:23 < gene> oops I've been playing too much hyperbolic airhockey 23:23 < gene> so you could figure out the location of the puck in close to realtime? 23:24 < kanzure> not even close to real time 23:24 < gene> still 23:24 < kanzure> basically, since it's monochrome, you can have imagej filter out everything that's not near some threshold color 23:24 < kanzure> then you filter out based on the size of pixel sizes 23:24 < kanzure> then you have it dump the coordinates of the remaining pixel in each frame 23:24 < kanzure> and that's your data set. 23:24 < gene> that's a lot cooler than anything I did in my physics lab 23:25 < kanzure> what did you do? 23:25 < gene> shit, I want to learn image algorithms so I can make me an auto sentry 23:25 < kanzure> go get imagemagick too then. 23:26 < gene> we shot balls across the room and ESTIMATED how far they landed from the launch point 23:26 < gene> big air hockey table? 23:27 < kanzure> you can sit on it 23:27 < gene> pics? 23:27 < kanzure> eh, not right now 23:27 < kanzure> but I'll upload the video later I guess 23:27 < kanzure> when I get a free USB port on one of my machines 23:28 < gene> you could figure out pretty close to where something was? 23:28 < gene> and have it send the position to something else? 23:30 < kanzure> it could figure out the coordinates of the pixels. 23:30 < kanzure> and yes. 23:30 < kanzure> hm. "Fluidic self-assembly of micromirrors onto microactuators usingcapillary forces" 23:30 < gene> I http://www.alexandria.nu/ai/blog/entry.asp?E=32 23:31 < gene> so you can find something's velocity calculate where it's moving and shoot it! 23:32 < kanzure> right, check out 'opencv' which does some of that stuff, like related to facial recognition 23:32 < kanzure> so you could have an automated nerf shooter that shoots at faces or something 23:32 < kanzure> but anyway, the processing isn't particularly fast since it's not streamlined 23:32 < gene> how do I take stuff from open CV and get it to talk to servoes? 23:32 < kanzure> if you wanted something that would process information in real time, you'd have to do some hacking. 23:33 < kanzure> you have to talk to the servos. 23:33 < gene> how? 23:33 < kanzure> depends on the microcontroller you have, and the way that the servo wires up to it 23:33 < kanzure> but in all likelihood it'd be something about sending signals much like you receive interrupts 23:34 < gene> now the thing I'd really like to do is make a program that looks at what my webcam sees 23:34 < kanzure> obviously you'd have some trig to do.. 23:34 < gene> and checks if it's me 23:35 < kanzure> couldn't I fool that by holding up a picture of your face? 23:35 < gene> and shut's my computer off it's not me 23:35 < gene> yeah... 23:36 < gene> not if my computer had stereocameras? 23:52 < kanzure> not if I had two print outs of your face®