--- Day changed Tue Mar 24 2009 00:03 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [] 02:03 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-165.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]"] 03:13 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:10 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:10 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:04 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:06 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-14-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:18 -!- elias` [n=me@resnet-nat-004.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:20 -!- faceface_ [n=dbolser@bioinformatics.org] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 08:28 < kanzure> fenn: les sounds mad at robotgroup, can you get him to subscribe to OM? 08:52 < kanzure> wow I think something happened and I've made 'progress' 08:53 < kanzure> fenn: that thermodynamics paper had a data table of 'power required (kW)' and 'process rate (kg/hr)' and 'electricity required (J/kg)' cross-referenced to different manufacturing processes 08:53 < kanzure> so, if metadata had a place to store strings that are parsed by your GNU units wrapper 08:54 < kanzure> the 'process rate', for instance, would be particularly useful metadata especially if that 'units' string had a 'kg' term in it 08:54 < kanzure> then we can demonstrate randomly interconnected strings of processes (even if they don't make sense- we can fix that later with 'does this connection make sense' code) 08:55 < kanzure> I've ranted about this here: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Processes#Taxonomy_of_manufacturing_processes but unfortunately now have to run off to class and can't do a quick prototype. 09:42 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:00 -!- willPow3r_ [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:12 -!- elias` [n=me@resnet-nat-004.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:20 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 10:43 -!- bryan [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:43 -!- bryan is now known as kanzure_ 10:44 -!- kanzure_ is now known as kanzure- 11:42 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@66.167.13.153] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@66.167.13.153] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:59 < kanzure-> hm, so in FEA apps, you get this giant matrix of neighboring coefficients of various PDEs that you solve for, and apparently there are 'bands' that show up in this matrix, which might make for the speedup claimed by the FastFEA guy. 15:12 < fenn> i don't think "randomly interconnected strings of processes" will impress anyone 15:16 < fenn> http://cwwang.com/2008/04/08/soft-pneumatic-exoskeleton/ 15:19 < fenn> 6 pounds! 15:21 < fenn> it's not really an "exoskeleton" without a skeleton, eh 16:06 < kanzure-> other things than random connections could be done. 16:07 < kanzure-> http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/ULPFR/Math-Matrix-0.5/Matrix.pm 16:07 < kanzure-> blah, normalize() is only for vectors 16:07 < kanzure-> and it's not immediately apparent how to get a list of all components so that I may take the root of the sum of their squares 16:08 < kanzure-> actually it might just be an array-of-an-array 16:08 < kanzure-> so a foreach might do it. 16:19 < kanzure-> aha. yep. 16:19 < kanzure-> that 18 GB perl script was really only supposed to be 37 MB apparently 16:19 < kanzure-> forgot to force a variable to be local-only 16:20 < kanzure-> (yay scoping) 16:30 < bkero> Write camel poop 16:35 < kanzure-> hm, maybe we can get diybio to sequence our genomes for us 16:35 < kanzure-> I sent out an email about a genome sequencing lottery. 16:35 * kanzure- laughs malaciously 16:36 < bkero> :) Develop tools to sequence your own genome. For under $30. In an hour. 16:37 < xp_prg> kanzure- what is the largest basepair length that can be synthetically created right now? 16:51 < kanzure> what do you mean by synthetically created? 16:51 < kanzure> bkero: I guess there's the original Maxmer-something sequencing method, but it doesn't seem too appealing to me 16:55 < kanzure> god I love this box 16:56 < kanzure> there's a 1.4 GB memory hoggin' perl script running in the background, and I don't feel a thing 17:25 < kanzure> oh 17:25 < kanzure> nah, this is probably a stupid idea 17:26 < kanzure> but re: that email I just sent replying to Jeff, I wonder if it would be useful to give people a very simple tool that would perform Freitas' KSRM metrics to determine whether or not a design is self-replicating 17:27 < fenn> it wouldn't be simple? 17:27 < kanzure> it's a very simple script to imagine, such as the Tukey Ratio, or mean average of parts addition 17:27 < fenn> or you mean 'enter the mass of non replicating parts in this box" 17:27 < fenn> or something like that 17:27 < kanzure> well the catch here is that it forces people to type up their design into a format where mean average of parts addition could be calculated 17:27 < kanzure> for instance, if each part requires 2 things that aren't in the list, .. 17:27 < kanzure> *aren't already in the list 17:27 < kanzure> kinda useless to write a tool before you have the data, heh 17:27 < kanzure> but it might get the point across? 17:28 < fenn> nobody cares 17:28 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/e4c375acce772250 17:28 < kanzure> the paragraph that reads "An approach to the problem of closure in real engineering-systems is" 17:28 < kanzure> are you sure nobody cares? I get that feeling too, 17:28 < kanzure> but maybe a simple tool like this will get them to think better? 17:29 < kanzure> <-- is too young and hopeful of the world :( 17:30 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:29 < kanzure> http://cad.devl.org/examples.html 18:29 < kanzure> hellooo 18:34 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- Fair [n=Nofaris@75.42.81.121] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:28 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-165.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:30 < gene> http://www.physorg.com/news157046734.html 19:31 < gene> damn cold fusion might just work 21:06 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 21:06 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:14 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:34 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-92-165.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]"] 22:36 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap