--- Day changed Wed Apr 01 2009
00:31 < kanzure> Hello anthonyl.
00:31 < anthonyl> howdy
00:32 < anthonyl> how's it goin?
00:34 < kanzure> Going good. Compiling R. Plotting a 1000x1000 matrix. Life is good.
00:36 < anthonyl> :-p i've never got around to playing around with R much other then peeking at the docs a few months ago
00:36 < anthonyl> you enjoying it?
01:03 < kanzure> not yet, so far it's broken my debian installation
01:04 < kanzure> anybody know how to do conditional expressions in OO.o Calc? I want to color the cells with a background color based off of their values so that the minimum value in the dataset is more towards one end of the color spectrum.
01:08 < anthonyl> found this on google, http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3642930.php  it seems close to what you want
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01:09 < fenn> hello anthonyl|nap 
01:09 < fenn> enjoy your nap
01:09 < fenn> kanzure: you've never heard of permaculture?
01:10 < fenn> there was a lot of that in bloomington
01:11 < fenn> or failed attempts at it, at least
01:12 < fenn> how do they make sure the nucleotide goes through the cyclodextrin?
01:14 < fenn> hell why not just run the whole strand through the pore and measure current as the nt's go by
01:26 < kanzure> that's what the other groups do with nanopore sequencing
01:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencing has some updated notes, I also edited the wikipedia article on the topic and did a bit of a dump
01:28 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanopore_sequencing
01:29 < kanzure> gnuplot doesn't do too well with a million data points in 3D space
01:29 < kanzure> feels like something my GPU should be doing
02:12  * kanzure sighs in relief. /var/backup/dpkg.status.0 saves the day once again.
02:16 < fenn> what's that?
02:22 < kanzure> it's a backup of /var/apt/dpkg/status
02:22 < kanzure> so that when people do stupid things with dpkg (like interrupt a partial update of dpkg) they can at least partially fix things
02:22 < kanzure> as they inevitably will do. those stupid things. er.
02:24 < fenn> uff.. it includes all the descriptions and stuff, not just the name and version
02:26 < kanzure> yes, I've been wondering how it processes so quickly
02:27 < kanzure> then I remembered that it doesn't.
02:27 < kanzure> (thus the lag when "reading package database")
03:58 < kanzure__> so kde decided to uninstall itself. KDE completely crashed when I copied OpenFOAM .so files into /usr/lib/ to satisfy R (which should have been my clue that something was wrong)
03:59 < kanzure__> and then kde wouldn't run again
03:59 < kanzure__> and now apt doesn't think kde is installed upon reboot
03:59 < kanzure__> and there's no dot debs laying around of the kde stuff on my system. How weird.
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04:48 < kanzure__> error: cannot allocate vector of size 8 kb
04:52 < fenn> computer abuser
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04:52 < kanzure__> what's wrong with an 8 kb vector?
04:53 < kanzure__> this all started with me trying to install R
04:53 < kanzure__> it turns out that another lab somewhere is trying to use some data I randomly generated, or something
04:53 < kanzure__> they want to do clustering algorithms on the random data
04:53 < kanzure__> which is a very simple command in R (about four lines)
04:54 < fenn> sounds highly irrelevant to the real world
04:54 < kanzure__> oh yes. definitely.
04:54 < kanzure__> and now my debian box is fucked up
04:54 < kanzure__> yay
04:57 < fenn> apt-get -f install
04:58 < kanzure__> debconf had 
04:58 < kanzure__> debconf had 
04:58 < kanzure__> debconf had some broken preinst and postinst scripts
04:58 < kanzure__> so that was basically impossible
04:58 < kanzure__> and then upon rebooting, kde doesn't work, even after reinstalling it
04:58 < kanzure__> and then that no-vectors-greater-than-8-kb is kind of fishy
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05:31 < fenn> too clever by half
05:31 < fenn> Announcement March 31st, 2009 11:59:59 pm
05:31 < kanzure__> ?
05:31 < fenn> Research group switches on world's first "artificial intelligence" tasked-array system. @ google
05:32 < fenn>  in the months to come users can expect to notice her influence on various google.com properties. 
05:33 < fenn> oh noes
05:33 < fenn> it's "cute"
05:58 < kanzure__> none of your messages are making sense
06:21 < kanzure__> it's a shame that they went from "let's go to Mars" to "I love pandas"
06:25 < kanzure__> http://www.youtube.com/cadiesingularity subscription to tylermerson? huh
06:25 < kanzure__> I know tyler..
06:25 < kanzure__> why is tyler's profile avatar == eli?
06:26 < kanzure__> I think they just made singularity==panda in the mind of the public
06:40 < fenn> it's unfortunate isn't it
06:41 < fenn> not to mention exceedingly lame
06:47 < kanzure__> how many hits per hour do you think google.com gets?
06:47 < kanzure__> because Eli just got his image within 3 clicks of the most popular site on the internet
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06:48 < kanzure__> I guess you could figure it out from google black screen advocates
06:49 < fenn> what's a "black screen advocate"?
06:49 < kanzure__> http://ecoiron.blogspot.com/2007/01/black-google-would-save-3000-megawatts.html
06:49 < fenn> that's bullshit
06:50 < kanzure__> 200 million queries per day, so some percentage of these people might see the home page
06:50 < fenn> the backlight is 100% on regardless what color the pixels are
06:50 < kanzure__> even if that's 1%, that's still 2 million people that see that link
06:51 < kanzure__> and then let's say only 1% of that 1% follow the youtube link on the next page, that's still 20,000 people that are being exposed to eli
06:51 < kanzure__> and I suspect that's a lower estimate on the number of page views that google's main page gets.
07:16 < fenn> man it's such a pain in the ass to buy new electronics IC's
07:17 < kanzure__> All Hail Digikey, forever making you its bitch
07:17 < kanzure__> also, why am I awake
07:18 < katsmeow> CADIE is a April 1st joke?
07:19 < fenn> a poor one
07:19 < katsmeow> well, it read well
07:20 < katsmeow> i was even hopefulk
07:20 < katsmeow> -k
07:21 < fenn> at least Virgle didnt have awful youtube monologues
07:21 < katsmeow> yeas that panda bear page made me cringe
07:21 < kanzure__> hurray, KDE is loading 
07:23 < katsmeow> fenn, anyone, an offtopic question: while i was googling for a word, i found others have used it, but not copyrighted it,, and i just used it as a domain name,, who owns the name, and can i?
07:23 < fenn> nobody owns the name unless it's trademarked
07:24 < fenn> look at uspto to see if it's trademarked
07:25 < willPow3r> have you seen the google april fools joke? about the pigeon clusters
07:26 < katsmeow> i thought CADIE was the joke
07:26 < willPow3r> http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
07:28 < willPow3r> these "jokes" aren't as much fun when its widely known that its april 1st.
07:29 < katsmeow> hmm,  a patent for a 20080128108 	Convective earrh coil
07:29 < katsmeow> i should make one for a 	Convective earTh coil
07:35 < katsmeow> a warm fuzzy feeling from a person who oks text/code for readability: Now in every language we're goverened by a readability captain.
07:35  * fenn salutes Captain Readability
07:36 < katsmeow> hail to our goverenor!
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07:55 < fenn> these guys have been watching too much star-trek (TOS) http://deltanu.com/inspector-raman/
07:55 < fenn> i wonder if it makes that 'squawk squawk' noise
08:09 < fenn> looks like arrow electronics has a slightly better selection of CMOS camera sensors than digikey
08:18 < fenn> i'm liking the mt9t031
08:42 < fenn> hmm accelerometers are only $5 from digikey.. i'm gonna stick these things everywhere
08:52 < fenn> RFID + accelerometers = VR magic
09:00 < UtopiahGHML> fenn: any mobile phone embedding an RFID reader?
09:01 < UtopiahGHML> I considered playing with RFID tags and eventually offering some to my father but if there is a need for "yet another device" (reader+interface to computer or sth) it doesn't worth the trouble to me yet.
09:24 < fenn> who cares.. mobile phones will never let you actually make use of their features
09:25 < fenn> this is why i'm gluing together all sorts of stuff into a multi-use wearable electronics beastie
09:27 < willPow3r> fenn, why don't you just cram it all into a fanny pack
09:28 < fenn> because i want data on the position of my head mounted display
09:28 < fenn> not the position of my fanny pack
09:28 < fenn> now, RFID reader could go in the fanny pack
09:28 < willPow3r> right, but the whole computing unit isn't going to be head mounted is it?
09:28 < fenn> no, but it should be
09:28 < fenn> ..eventually
09:29 < willPow3r> after proof of concept
09:29 < fenn> the main processor chip is like 1cm^2
09:29 < fenn> i have no idea how to make boards for that sort of thing though
09:29 < fenn> so i'll stick with leg-mounted beagleboard for now
09:30 < fenn> er. gumstix overo is small enough to be head mounted, but it doesn't have video-out and other reasons i forget
09:30 < fenn> also there's the issue of batteries which will probably be heavy for the next ten years at least
09:32 < willPow3r> batteries. what you need is some kind of wearable heat exchanger that uses your body as a heat engine
09:32 < fenn> i am thinking about a cord-pull generator to go between shoe/belt
09:33 < fenn> but it's not head-mounted and i wouldn't want it to be :)
09:33 < willPow3r> lol
09:37 < fenn> makes me think i might actually be living in the future after all http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8621
09:40 < willPow3r> a gps receiver?
09:40 < fenn> a tiny futuristic-looking gps receiver
09:41 < willPow3r> i thought it was a replacement receiver for a handheld gps unit
09:41 < fenn> well i guess it could be.. but it does all the important stuff
09:41 < willPow3r> true. it says 4800 bps
09:42 < willPow3r> could be an allusion to next generation of wireless connectivity
09:42 < fenn> eh?
09:42 < fenn> 4800bps is just the baud rate for the NMEA location info
09:43 < fenn> it's not like you're downloading anything from the satellite
09:44 < fenn> how do i actually buy heat pipes from these guys? http://www.avc.com.tw/products/NB-Thermal.htm#
09:45 < fenn> supposedly arrow is their distributor but i dont see any heat pipes in the catalog
09:49 < willPow3r> looks like they're wholesale only
09:49 < willPow3r> if you want a train car full of them im sure they will accommodate you
09:50 < fenn> according to this page it is possible to buy them in small quantities http://www.molalla.net/~leeper/heat.htm
09:50 < fenn> i guess i have to use that Tool of the Devil
13:49 < kanzure__> living in the future or living in the past? fenn, you just might be time jumping.
13:59 < kanzure__> before I forget, can somebody yell at me if I don't type up some stuff on my server about using elmerfem+gmsh+freefempp+gerris+netgen+tetgen+triangle, and another thingy about R or whatever it is that I'm doing with it
15:21 < myelinzar> Hey RandIter.
15:21 < RandIter> hello
15:25 < RandIter> what are some of the routine and useful medical tests that one can do at home by oneself on a regular basis? i only want to know about those that don't cost too much.
15:26 < RandIter> i guess some very basic ones are weight, pulse rate, urine ph
15:27 < RandIter> if someone had a good microscope, maybe they could do more
15:28 < RandIter> especially with urine
15:28 < RandIter> or saliva
15:41 < RandIter> blood sugar too, for some
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18:21 < kanzure> http://uat2.iomer.com/PinkArmy/index.html
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