--- Day changed Thu Apr 09 2009 00:27 < kanzure> from a distance I read "so.. that paper's cool .. there's no values or anything" 00:38 < fenn> nihilists.. 01:02 < fenn> so er, how do you know treadwell again? 01:04 < fenn> oh good it's not the microsoft guy :) 01:14 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:14 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:17 < kanzure> fenn: I stalked treadwell down over livejournal one day when I was searching for all chemists on livejournal 01:17 < kanzure> and he was one of the polymathy sorts that turned up 01:18 < kanzure> he subsequently moved down from ann arbor into (north) austin 01:18 < kanzure> he claims "because of you" (me) 01:20 < fenn> woah 01:20 < kanzure> secretly my plot is to assemble a super legion of polymaths 01:21 * kanzure dawns an exoskeleton 01:22 < fenn> (it's "don" btw) 01:22 < kanzure> fuck 01:40 < katsmeow-afk> he has the exoskeleton, i think i'd be quiet ;-) 01:56 < bkero> boxee is such a buggy piece of shit 03:33 -!- fenn_ [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:49 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:25 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9C9CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:47 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9E73D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9C9CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:10 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: drazak 07:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: drazak 07:57 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9E73D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 07:57 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9E73D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:30 -!- drazak [n=drazak@drazak.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:30 -!- drazak [n=drazak@216.66.9.185] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:43 < kanzure> huh, gmail doesn't work in lynx anymore. (had to resort to links2) 08:43 < kanzure> or lynx doesn't have https support (which I find hard to believe) 10:27 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn 10:39 < kanzure> any ideas on why my connection isn't consistently letting http go through? 10:41 < fenn> bad dns, dropped packets, spazzy traffic shaping somewhere 12:36 < fenn> for masochists only (dont say i didnt warn you) http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-episode-01.pdf 12:36 < fenn> just doing my job as a meme propagator 12:53 < kanzure> I don't know if it's good or bad that http is still broken for me 13:09 < fenn> weird 13:09 < fenn> for some reason i typed 'sync' to write the disk cache 13:09 < fenn> and like 5 seconds later the circuit breaker tripped 13:45 < ybit> that was amusing and odd 13:48 < kanzure> yay http is back up 13:48 < kanzure> haha! foolish mortals! 13:48 < kanzure> http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/50-most-different/waterlifting-output/candidates180.xml.dot.png 13:48 < kanzure> http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/50-most-different/waterlifting-output/candidates172.xml.dot.png 13:48 < kanzure> wtf are these doing in a "50 most different" dataset? 13:48 < kanzure> http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/clustering.zip 13:48 < kanzure> http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/50-most-different.zip 14:17 < kanzure> http://voiced.device.mst.edu/groups/VisualizeIT/blog/ 15:06 < fenn> that STEP PDM stuff has absolutely nothing to do with SKDB 15:10 < fenn> ok maybe section 4.. 15:11 < fenn> this would be much less annoying as html 15:12 < fenn> aha http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/pdm/html/index.html 15:13 < fenn> no that's not really the same document is it 15:15 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:16 < kanzure> step pdm stuff? are you reading some old emails, or old IRC logs? 15:16 < kanzure> gah, just hang on a sec while I remember all papers that I've recently read that have at least four sections and STEP in the title 15:16 < kanzure> :-/ 15:45 < kanzure> http://www.tracepartsonline.net/(S(d4nstqfbvfjgah45q252cg45))/global/index.aspx 15:45 < kanzure> hrm. 15:46 < fenn> recently mentioned by thomas paviot on pythonOCC list 15:46 < fenn> which you then forwarded to OM 15:47 < fenn> http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/pdm/pdmug_release4_3.pdf 15:47 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:49 < kanzure> hahaha 15:49 < kanzure> http://www.graysonconsulting.biz/# 15:50 < kanzure> "Because this site is 100% flash based it should be fast and responsive!" 15:50 < kanzure> and I see this glitchy screen that's flickering and such 15:50 < kanzure> hahah. 15:51 < kanzure> oh crap that's xp_prg . 15:52 < xp_prg> kanzure flickering how? 15:55 < xp_prg> http://www.graysonconsulting.biz/download/diybiogfpprep.flv 15:55 < xp_prg> check this out man! 15:57 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:49 < xp_prg> kanzure you here? 17:08 < fenn> sweet, a 404, custom tailored for non-flash browsers 17:09 < fenn> (there's not any flash on the 404 page) 17:13 < fenn> sounds like you guys need a robot 17:14 < xp_prg> ya it is still a work in progress 17:14 < xp_prg> it is using 100% opensource tools however 17:14 < fenn> what's wrong with html? 17:14 < xp_prg> flash is major power 17:15 < xp_prg> html is like pencil and paper to me 17:19 < xp_prg> feen why doesn't kanzure talk to me? 17:24 < fenn> probably has you on ignore 17:25 < xp_prg> I hate that 17:32 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:39 < fenn> sounds like you guys are trying to make some kind of video tutorial 17:41 < xp_prg> yup 17:42 < kanzure> fenn: why does everyone ignore us 17:43 < fenn> because writing code is un-sexy 17:43 < kanzure> PP1 induces forgetting. DARPP-32 is a "potent" inhibitor of PP1. DARPP-32 purification protocol from bovine brain juice: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/99 17:43 < kanzure> what about lolcatlang? is that sexy? 17:43 < fenn> no 17:43 < fenn> unless you're a furry :) 17:44 < kanzure> did that blender model of maid may have a skeleton? 17:44 < fenn> yes 17:44 < kanzure> pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking? 17:44 < fenn> no 17:44 < fenn> use maid-san as a virtual character for tutorials? 17:46 < fenn> satsuki-san :P 17:46 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:46 < kanzure> yes 17:47 < fenn> ok well, um.. i dunno how to do that 17:47 < xp_prg> fenn did you like the video? 17:47 < fenn> xp_prg: it's really long 17:47 < xp_prg> but did you like it? 17:47 < fenn> i hate videos.. they're so slow for the amount of information transmitted 17:47 < xp_prg> :( 17:47 < fenn> i feel like i'm in a committee meeting 17:48 < xp_prg> can you pretend that you like it? 17:48 < fenn> oh good they're out of time 17:48 < kanzure> fenn: suppose you have computer-readable instructions for something about something. Convert those into a sequence of basic commands for Maid May to perform. the basic movements will not have to be too precise .. "lift box" -> hands in general region of the box ;-) 17:48 < fenn> kanzure: you have to generate an assembly trajectory based on human kinematics 17:49 < kanzure> a basic step would be to make her follow those trajectories/vectors 17:49 < kanzure> which is not a big deal 17:49 < fenn> i think it's harder than it seems 17:49 < kanzure> figuring out a correct assembly sequence *and* correct trajectories would be somewhat of an issue, yes 17:50 < fenn> people do all sorts of optimizations without even thinking about it, like setting something on a bench in the right way to push on it 17:50 < kanzure> also, I <3 your om post 17:50 < fenn> took too damn long to write 17:50 < kanzure> I don't know if anybody is going to get your point 17:50 < fenn> no, the dependency tree is only one level deep 17:50 < kanzure> based off of historical evidence I mean 17:51 < fenn> yeah and they're mostly clueless.. *sigh* 17:51 < kanzure> heh, need to run through a multi-level optimization/constraint problem .. in words! (which is really the wrong format, but whatever) 17:51 < kanzure> blah, okay- anyway- 17:51 < fenn> i dont even know what the right format is 17:51 < fenn> all i have is dreamland 17:53 < kanzure> you know what, maybe we should assume that everyone is as stupid as a first prototype of a virtual character to showcase how to put something together 17:53 < fenn> i can't think of things to make profitably that people will generally see as useful, because all the broadly useful items are already being mass produced 17:54 < kanzure> in particular, only trajectories that involve no sequences of movements- i.e., only a "one step sweep" motion 17:54 < fenn> kanzure: it's true, but they have built-in learning algorithms 17:54 < fenn> "play' 17:54 < kanzure> right right, but I just mean this for prototyping's sake 17:54 < kanzure> since it seems like the only thing that people will understand is a demo video 17:55 < kanzure> it's much easier if the problem space is restrained only to those assemblies that can be made with single-trajectory part mating/motions/fits thingies 17:55 < fenn> i'd like to ship them an exoskeleton that moves their hands around to do stuff with real things 17:55 < fenn> but then why do you need a human in the loop at all 17:55 < kanzure> eww, weird scaling algos on the exoskeleton 17:55 < fenn> i spose you could just do a pre-recorded VR simulation 17:56 < fenn> scaling between human arm lengths? 17:56 < kanzure> if you want to edit 20,000 frames of a maid, have fun with that 17:56 < kanzure> wouldn't it be full body scaling? 17:56 < kanzure> or just a one-size-fits-all suit :p 17:56 < fenn> huh? 17:56 < kanzure> there are certain body proportions 17:56 < kanzure> I don't think it's just arms 17:57 < fenn> yeah it's all connected 17:58 < fenn> harnessing armies of robot clams to do good work 17:58 < fenn> you know they make pearls by putting a sphere in an oyster and letting it add the last layer on top 17:59 < fenn> tito's wrong; the technology isn't that complex 17:59 < fenn> it's just secretive and over-engineered by instrument makers 18:00 < fenn> kanzure: you know, i'd love to have a rigged model of wiki-chan 18:03 < fenn> er, wikipetan 18:03 < fenn> wiki-tan? weird name 18:13 < kanzure> the ostan for mediawiki? 18:13 < kanzure> * OStan 18:14 < fenn> why is it -tan? that's not even japanese 18:14 < kanzure> * OSchan? 18:14 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan 18:15 < fenn> Chin and tan are mispronunciations stereotypically attributed to small children and are thus perceived as baby talk 18:20 < fenn> mmm "smells like babies" 18:20 < fenn> decayed, dried babies 18:23 < fenn> huh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3DWikipe-tan.jpg 18:25 < fenn> the program is specifically for 3d anime characters?? 18:27 < fenn> xp_prg: when they made plates at IU they poured the plates non-sterile, then autoclaved the plates, so they're sterile right up until you first open the lid 18:31 < fenn> i guess you need glass plates for that 18:32 < fenn> should wear baking gloves so you don't burn yourself with agar 18:34 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@host217-43-230-27.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:34 < fenn> amazing it works 18:34 < fenn> (the 3d wiki-chan viewer program) 18:36 < fenn> http://imagebin.org/44978 18:45 < fenn> that's a pretty cool rendering engine 18:52 < fenn> phew finally that video's over 18:58 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:08 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:08 < fenn> sweet, a mascot for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conservape-tan.png 19:24 < xp_prg> fenn excellent advice! 19:56 < kanzure> gaah 19:56 < kanzure> http://www.mendeley.com/ 19:56 < kanzure> http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/bryan-bishop 19:56 < kanzure> automatic paper metadata extraction 19:57 < kanzure> and apparently also "group sharing" of paper reading 20:09 < kanzure> hm I should run it on my rip of nature 20:10 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:27 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-96-128.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:43 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:45 < kanzure> is there a preferably safe way to pass a crazily-named string to the shell (it's a filename)? 21:53 -!- anthonyl [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:54 < kanzure> okay :) it's separating finally 21:54 < kanzure> who wants access to nature since the dawn of time? (see, I know how to use it right) 22:58 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:00 < genehacker> kanzure I sent you that free cad thing 23:05 -!- oublei [n=oublei@65.111.186.55] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:11 < kanzure> genehacker: yeah, I haven't ripped it yet but it looks interesting 23:11 < kanzure> hello oublei 23:11 < oublei> Hello kanzure. 23:13 < kanzure> What's up? 23:14 < oublei> Not much. How about you? 23:14 < kanzure> Stealing nature. 23:15 < oublei> How does one steal nature? 23:15 < kanzure> WWW::Mechanize 23:15 < kanzure> what brings you here? 23:16 < oublei> bkero recommended that I join. :] 23:16 < kanzure> are you an osouso termite? 23:16 < kanzure> :) 23:16 < kanzure> I think I spelled that wrong 23:16 < oublei> I don't know what osouso is, so I guess not... 23:16 < oublei> Haha 23:17 < genehacker> one can steal nature by going down the bottom of the ocean and patenting some bacterial genes from hydrothermal vents 23:17 < oublei> I'm a bioinformatics student at OSU, if that's what you were going for. :] 23:18 < kanzure> hm, no, I was specifically thinking of the open source lab at OSU, but whatever 23:18 < kanzure> say, could you find me a mechanism of increasing DARPP-32 levels via supplements or something? 23:19 < oublei> Oh, no, I'm not involved with the OSL. 23:19 < oublei> And, no, I couldn't. :x 23:19 < genehacker> could you BLAST a wall away oublei? 23:19 < kanzure> are you sure you're doing bioinformatics? heh' 23:19 < oublei> I was honestly hoping to lurk, but if we would like to talk about how terrible of a program I am in, I'm game. :] 23:20 < kanzure> oh, lurk away 23:20 * fenn lurks 23:20 < kanzure> I caught you delurking! 23:20 * kanzure attacks and takes 200 coin 23:20 < fenn> crap. engage lurking fields! 23:20 < oublei> I recently changed majors. Haven't learned anything bioinformaticiany yet, which is unfortunate. 23:20 < kanzure> no use! increase forward fire power! 23:20 < oublei> It is my understanding that I won't be doing much later, either. 23:21 < fenn> set away status to maximum! 23:21 < kanzure> what! it's over 9000! 23:21 < kanzure> but really, mendeley is awesome 23:22 < genehacker> what was your prevmajor? 23:23 < oublei> genehacker: biological anthropology. 23:23 < fenn> oublei: don't expect to learn anything in school 23:23 < kanzure> so, was that like Margaret Mead meets Lynn Margulis? 23:23 < fenn> if you want to learn it, go do stuff, read current things 23:23 < fenn> biobricks could sure use some help 23:24 < oublei> fenn: that is my intention! 23:25 < genehacker> could you also make a handy make sequence IRL button? 23:26 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/DARPP-32.bib <- 60 references about DARPP-32 and PIP1 re: regulation of forgetting 23:26 < kanzure> wait, that's PP1, not PIP1 23:29 < fenn> too much PP on the brain 23:29 < fenn> PP head 23:30 < kanzure> my psychology lecturer professor guy thingy actually gives proper citations during his lectures 23:30 < kanzure> it's quite amazing, somebody doing something right 23:31 < kanzure> it's how I scoped out PP1. 23:34 < fenn> cool 23:41 < bkero> kanzure: oublei is cools 23:42 < genehacker> yeah he is 23:43 < oublei> She. :] 23:43 < genehacker> sorry 23:44 < oublei> No worries. :]