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00:06 < DrTread> my bed time. zzzz
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00:12 < kanzure> DrTread sleeps early :)
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07:57 < kanzure> ways to not feel stupid
07:57 < kanzure> I think it's about time I wrote a bot to take papers referenced in this channel and automatically download them
08:00 < kanzure> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
08:00 < kanzure> still like this :)
08:14 < kanzure> wait, no I don't. these should be programs. not something I have to remember..
08:40 < kanzure> nsh: did you once say you have experience with infiltrating and deconstructing cults? 
08:40 < kanzure> nsh: if so, could you infiltrate the group calling itself the "neurohackers"?
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12:37 < kanzure> cis-action: there has been a lot of awesome discussion on diybio recently. neat.
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12:46 < kanzure> Hey anthonyl.
13:06 < cis-action> kanzure: yeah, for instance the OWW handle discussion
13:07 < kanzure> woah wtf is this crap
13:07 < kanzure> "Anyone wanting to do wetwork in our space will have to provide evidence of training (such as a degree in bioscience) or undergo training by members who possess these skills. "
13:07 < kanzure> http://diybionyc.blogspot.com/
13:07 < kanzure> this is getting out of hand
13:08 < kanzure> at what point can we tell them that they are not "diybio" ?
13:09 < kanzure> requirements about degrees are *not* amateur friendly at all
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14:33 < kanzure> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/16/141211 "Quantum theory may explain wishful thinking!"
14:33 < kanzure> "In other news: a recent study by the American Wave Mechanics Society suggests wishful thinking may explain quantum mechanics."
14:34 < UtopiahGHML> so "The Secret" is true after all...
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15:41 < splicer_> ... I had my money on Deepak Chopra
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16:35 < fenn> two computer programmers named meredith in diybio.. this is going to be annoying
16:36 < splicer> it'll be ok.. one is a polite nerd
16:40 < splicer> (not misoginy btw.. it's was what patterson said on her homepage I think)
16:45 < kanzure> fenn: two female programmers is never terrible.
16:46 < kanzure> I think some of the people there are actually posting from the googlegroups.com website interface
16:46 < kanzure> it's scary.
16:47 < splicer> I know I am
16:48 < kanzure> why?
16:48 < splicer> as opposed to reading it as mails?
16:48 < kanzure> huh?
16:48 < fenn> i just mean the name conflict
16:48 < fenn> like bryan on pythonOCC list
16:49 < kanzure> heh namespace conflicts.
16:49 < fenn> or nasa's orion rocket
16:49 < kanzure> jelle was mean to me today
16:49 < kanzure> from pythonocc.
16:49 < splicer> i thought we were taling about the interface
16:49 < kanzure> just something that I remembered to complain about
16:50 < fenn> he wasn't trying to be mean
16:52 < kanzure> true, but still. he keeps trying to show that I'm wrong or something .. when I'm not.
16:55 < splicer> remember the time when you wrote that the way to survive biology gone terribly wrong was brainuploading... and I tried to convince you for 20min that that was what you actually wrote?
16:58 < splicer> (kopimi is a brainchild of 'the piracy bureau' btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piratbyr%C3%A5n )
17:08 < kanzure> http://biobricks.org/pipermail/legal_biobricks.org/2008-September/000021.html
17:08 < kanzure> what be this? hrm..
17:11 < kanzure> wtf..
17:12 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/CADgears2/wtf.png
17:12 < kanzure> what's up with pythonocc?
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17:31 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#BioBricks_.28legal_stuff.29
17:32 < kanzure> the third video has janet hope
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17:36 < kanzure> 'standards of conduct'
17:37 < kanzure> 7:58
17:41 < kanzure> 24:34? and 23:20. eh. "hide the experience that you gain about your parts"
17:41 < kanzure> blah
17:42 < kanzure> blah, he talks about niche markets. "it's not valuable, so therefore it's ok to .. " stupid. informing open source legal stuff by economics?
17:45 < kanzure> how is that a big database of parts? it's only 4000 elements
17:52 < fenn> god what a clusterfuck
17:52 < fenn> the construction of DNA sequences using base pairs that do not exist in nature might allow significant room for expressive choice. Such DNA sequences might be protected by copyright, at least against verbatim copying. However, most synthetic biologists working today, including those at MIT, are working within the confines of the existing genetic code. This code constrains the expressive choices that they make, making copyright protect
17:53 < fenn> that probably cut off the end eh
17:53 < fenn> so, arbitrary chemistry is subject to copyright but DNA code is not, because you're constrained to using the alphabet??
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18:07 < fenn> bleh. i hope bbf finishes their clickwrap thingy some time soon so we can all stop arguing about this
18:07 < kanzure> clickwrap?
18:08 < kanzure> so apparently you're not constrained to using the alphabet of chemistry (elements)
18:08 < kanzure> or something?
18:08 < splicer> ( i didn't understand it either)
18:09 < fenn> clickwrap = electronic legal contract enforcing the equivalent of copyleft; it can apply to hardware or whatnot that isn't covered by copyright, with the downside that everyone has to sign a contract (well, clicking a checkbox)
18:10 < fenn> and i'm not clear about what happens in the case of 'stolen' information
18:10 < fenn> i.e. "i received this info without any legal agreement, so there!"
18:10 < splicer> i guess what they're saying is that if it exists in nature it's 'prior art'... if it doesn't then it's copyrightable?
18:10 < fenn> splicer no, it's nothing like that
18:10 < kanzure> I'm afraid I've become the Paul Fernhout of DIYbio
18:10 < kanzure> what do I do :(
18:10 < fenn> haha
18:11 < fenn> add a 30 minute timer to every message that makes you look at what you wrote
18:11 < kanzure> I hardly spend 30 minutes on a message ..
18:11  * kanzure flexes his finger muscles
18:11 < fenn> see http://bikeshed.com/
18:11  * splicer nods enthusiastically
18:11 < fenn> kanzure: yes, it's apparent
18:12 < kanzure> fenn: I still don't understand that
18:12 < fenn> with a list like diybio though.. i mean, the signal to noise ratio is all over the place
18:12 < kanzure> the bikeshed site I mean
18:12 < kanzure> it's weird
18:12 < fenn> scroll down to the warning boxes
18:12 < kanzure> sometimes it's like the biologists want to stop stuff from happening
18:12 < kanzure> then jonathan cline insults the biologists (wtf?)
18:12 < kanzure> and then weird stuff happens
18:12 < fenn> weird stuff?
18:13 < fenn> he wasn't insulting anyone.. it was a joke
18:13 < fenn> have you ever noticed that biologists all use macintosh?
18:13 < fenn> (for the record, cline uses a mac too)
18:13 < kanzure> really? they do?
18:14 < fenn> um, the ones i've seen
18:14 < fenn> i dont know anyone that works at big evil corporations though
18:15 < splicer> aren't most of them asian women btw?
18:15 < fenn> biologists?
18:15 < splicer> yeah, it's like asian boys go into computer science.. and the girls into biology
18:15 < fenn> relatively speaking, yes
18:15 < fenn> but not on an absolute scale
18:16 < kanzure> cis-action: did you get the gene engineering protocols thread into the FAQ?
18:16 < cis-action> no not yet
18:16 < kanzure> I'll do it.
18:16 < kanzure> was just not wanting to duplicate work
18:16 < cis-action> maybe we should actually start talking in the diybio room?
18:16 < kanzure> why? we're all in here.
18:16 < cis-action> right; no, no need to worry about that
18:16 < cis-action> ha ha true
18:17 < cis-action> well, some people are in the diybio room.  lurkers.
18:17 < splicer> invite them
18:17 < kanzure> I once looked at #diybio and everyone there was already in here or something
18:17 < kanzure> it was sad
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18:18 < fenn> you know it would be great if it were possible to go back and change the subject line of an email thread
18:18 < fenn> or at least annotate it
18:18 < kanzure> so, in the google groups interface, that's how it works when your reply changes the subject line
18:18 < kanzure> it displays in the thread list as the changed subject line
18:18 < kanzure> even though initially it was something different
18:19 < fenn> yes but in practice nobody ever changes the subject line
18:19 < kanzure> right.
18:19 < kanzure> oh, I see
18:19 < kanzure> well good luck getting mail servers to accept that standard
18:19 < fenn> wait you mean you can go back and change the subject line of a posted message?
18:19 < kanzure> submit a patch to one of them :p
18:19 < kanzure> no
18:19 < kanzure> so look here:
18:19 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/topics
18:20 < kanzure> if you replied to one of those threads and changed the subject, and went back to that link,
18:20 < kanzure> that new subject would be displayed
18:20 < kanzure> instead of the original
18:20 < kanzure> it's weird functionality on behalf of Google..
18:23 < splicer> it's something a moderator can usually do... not sure google groups have moderators, maybe they just have group owners.
18:24 < splicer> (the feature seems to work well though)
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18:27 < kanzure> cis-action: ok, I added it
18:27 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Genetic_engineering
18:31 < cis-action> good enough
18:31 < cis-action> back later
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18:32 < cis-action_> is the underscore suffix an indication that I'm away?
18:34 < fenn> no
18:34 < fenn> it's what your irc client does if the nick you want is already taken
18:45 < splicer> I noticed an anomaly with the nicks today. It seems if I'm logged in on two servers with my client one server gets the primary nick and the other gets the secondary.
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18:47 < splicer> ...and I can't change my nick to the primary one on the first server cause 'that nick is in use'.
18:47 < fenn> what client?
18:48 < splicer> xchat-gnome... It's sort of true too ... it's in use by me... on another server
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19:27 < kanzure> ooh
19:27 < kanzure> genehacker: reverse DNA translocation.
19:27 < kanzure> remember nanopore sequencing? recently there was a paper complaining about how to draw a DNA strand through the pore
19:27 < genehacker> define translocation
19:27 < kanzure> or something- it was actually complaining about how dropping nucleotides won't really work
19:27 < genehacker> teleportation?
19:27 < kanzure> anyway, one method is to pull the strand through
19:27 < kanzure> no 
19:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Reverse%20DNA%20translocation%20through%20a%20solid-state%20nanopore%20by%20magnetic%20tweezers.pdf
19:27 < kanzure> attach the DNA to a magnetic bead
19:27 < kanzure> with strepavidin
19:28 < kanzure> or biotin
19:28 < kanzure> and then use electrophoresis to get the DNA straightened out, or whatever
19:28 < kanzure> then use a magnet to move the bead closer to the magnet
19:28 < kanzure> at some slow rate
19:28 < kanzure> slow enough to detect the current that passes through whatever nucleotide is in the pore
19:28 < fenn> i think you'd have to thread the strand through the pore first, then attach the bead
19:29 < kanzure> right
19:29 < fenn> or forget about the bead entirely and just pull the strand through with some kind of gradient
19:30 < fenn> department of physics eh
19:30 < genehacker> hmmm...
19:30 < fenn> "nanotechnology"
19:31 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSuvFCPgwE8
19:31 < genehacker> check this out
19:32 < genehacker> also my sound isn't working?
19:33 < fenn> i think it'll be funny if nanotech ends up using DNA
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19:33 < kanzure> fenn: winfree.
19:33  * kanzure waits for laughter
19:33 < fenn> i mean as information storage medium
19:34 < fenn> gene wat was the point of that video
19:35 < genehacker> it's a robot assembling a camera
19:36 < fenn> so?
19:36 < genehacker> it looks like it's getting visual feedback
19:37 < fenn> i'm all for robot porn but that just wasn't very impressive
19:37 < genehacker> so me something impressive then
19:38 < fenn> festo air manta ray was cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPzodKQays
19:38 < fenn> there's a water version too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzd9KA8heXE
19:39 < genehacker> I've seen that
19:41 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxiGp4R4Dsc
19:41 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vores_Øl
19:41 < kanzure> blah. 
19:42 < genehacker> it's ionically driven
19:42 < kanzure> http://freebeer.org/
19:42 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola
19:42 < kanzure> recipes are not copyrightable?
19:43 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL6yB8-dgsI check this out too
19:44 < genehacker> http://www-robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/systems/system.cfm?System=5
19:44 < fenn> airfish kind of reminds me of 'flight of the navigator" but really slow and boring
19:44 < kanzure> http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl122.html re: copyright about recipes
19:45 < kanzure> I fear I'm morphing into RMS
19:45 < kanzure> what do I do?
19:45 < kanzure> "roar you can't call this open source"
19:46 < fenn> wow lemur kinda sucks
19:46 < kanzure> lemur is a monkey?
19:46 < genehacker> a robot
19:46 < fenn> it's slow, jerky, and poor positioning
19:46 < genehacker> it's doing it autonomously
19:46 < kanzure> odd. "freebeer.org" says it's CC-licensed
19:47 < fenn> well, ok, that makes up for some of it
19:47 < kanzure> I don't think CC is equivalent to "open source"
19:47 < kanzure> I mean, people are getting all of these words mixed up
19:47 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnB9mmCZE4
19:47 < kanzure> and just trying to be funny social-actvists
19:47 < kanzure> when in truth they are just bullshit artists
19:47 < genehacker> anyway,  it has a fuckton of degrees of freedom
19:47 < genehacker> it's legs are it's arms
19:48 < genehacker> it has tools on it's legs
19:49 < fenn> reminds me of one of those skull-eating slugs from the new king kong movie
19:50 < genehacker> http://www-robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/systems/systemImage.cfm?System=5&Image=96
19:51 < genehacker> I wish I could find where they documented these thigns
19:52 < fenn> ok so that bead+nanopore setup looks like it would actually work
19:52 < genehacker> could we build one though?
19:53 < fenn> does it have to be a hole or just a slit? because you could just etch a slit by etching two triangles on a piece of silicon
19:53 < fenn> the triangles would be touching at the corner, and then slow dissolve away until they don't conduct anymore
19:54 < fenn> i spose a piece of metal foil would work too
19:54 < genehacker> hmmm
19:54 < fenn> score foil, electroplate away
19:54 < fenn> hard to get it even across the length though
19:55 < fenn> down to a zillimeter
19:55 < kanzure-> fenn: I think I actually have some papers on this
19:55 < kanzure-> because I was spazzing out on nanopores a while back
19:56 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Cheap%20third-generation%20sequencing%20-%20nanopores%20-%20cyclodextrin%20-%20hemolysin%20-%202009.pdf
19:56 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Nanopore%20Unzipping%20of%20Individual%20DNA%20Hairpin%20Molecules%20-%202004.pdf
19:56 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Sequence-specific%20detection%20of%20individual%20DNA%20strands%20using%20engineered%20nanopores%20-%20Howorka%20-%202001.pdf
19:56 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/The%20potential%20and%20challenges%20of%20nanopore%20sequencing%20-%20Schloss.pdf
19:57 < kanzure-> I also have some notes on the wiki:http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencing#Nanopores
19:57 < kanzure-> including a youtube video
19:58 < kanzure-> cyclodextrin + alpha-hemolysin nanopore. but this is for "dropping" nucleotides through- don't know if this same type of (biological) nanopore works for running the strand through it
19:58 < fenn> genehacker: also i spose you could do something with radiation or particle accelerators, to punch holes in the foil
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19:59 < fenn> i think the hemolysin pore would work, its just more finicky because it's held together with duct tape, like all biological parts
20:00 < fenn> "scanning tunneling microscopy technique which relies on quantum tunneling of electrons that pass through the nucleotide within the nanopore" is what i keep thinking about
20:00 < kanzure-> there's also some people who have done it with AFMs
20:00 < kanzure-> (instead of STMs)
20:00 < fenn> how many base pairs?
20:01 < kanzure-> blah. /me looks it up
20:01 < fenn> i'm not talking about just scanning the dna with a STM microscope
20:01 < kanzure-> wow I have no paper
20:01 < fenn> i mean 'feeling' the dna go by, by measuring conductance between the two sides of the slit
20:02 < kanzure-> Rapid Sequencing of Individual DNA Molecules in Graphene Nanogaps http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Rapid%20Sequencing%20of%20Individual%20DNA%20Molecules%20in%20Graphene%20Nanogaps%20-%202008.pdf
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20:02 < kanzure-> fenn: oh, I thought that's what they usually do with these nanopore methods?
20:02 < kanzure-> by measuring conductance or current flow through the pore when 'clogged'
20:02 < fenn> no, they measure the amount of ions flowing through the pore
20:02 < fenn> i'm talking about measuring current between two electrodes
20:02 < genehacker> ugh
20:02 < kanzure-> they do that though ..
20:02 < kanzure-> I could have sworn.
20:02 < fenn> no they dont
20:02 < fenn> one goes up/down, the other goes left/right
20:03 < kanzure-> what goes up/down etc.?
20:03 < fenn> well, assuming your pore is pointed up/down, the ion flow through the pore would be up/down
20:06 < kanzure-> blah, there's a paper. I know they've done this. (and the STM paper too)
20:06 < fenn> http://imagebin.org/45831
20:08 < kanzure-> right
20:09 < kanzure-> if I find the paper, will I get a cookie?
20:09 < kanzure-> 1991: Can STM sequence DNA? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043383
20:09 < kanzure-> way too old..
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20:16 < kanzure-> Direct Electronic Identification of Oligonucleotides with Inelastic Electron Tunneling Spectroscopy
20:16 < kanzure-> http://www.cpac.washington.edu/Activities/satellite_meetings/Rome%202007/CPAC%20Rome%202007%20presentations/Wednesday/John%20Lund%20-%20Identification%20of%20Oligonucleotides.ppt
20:17 < fenn> the graphene paper is almost exactly what i was thinking
20:18 < kanzure-> neat: "Images of the DNA double helix in water"
20:21 < kanzure-> 1990: Atomic-scale imaging of DNA using scanning tunnelling microscopy
20:29 < kanzure-> well this is disappointing. I thought there were more papers on STM/AFM DNA sequencing.
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20:48  * fenn thinks about how to make a machine to quantify avocado hardness
20:49 < kanzure-> avocado hardness?
20:49 < fenn> oho
20:49 < kanzure-> oh, the vegetable?
20:50 < fenn> gene get this for me when you find access to the journal http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?booknrarnr=517_52
20:50 < kanzure-> I don't have access
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21:03 < kanzure-> 5-mC is a natural DNA base?
21:04 < kanzure-> paper: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/The%20nuclear%20DNA%20base%205-hydroxymethylcytosine%20is%20present%20in%20purkinje%20neurons%20and%20the%20brain.pdf
21:04 < fenn> methylization
21:04 < fenn> er, methylation
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21:20 < kanzure-> oh. I guess I still have yet to think about some timeline of skdb work if I am to be paid for it
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22:24 < kanzure> hm, articles of incorporation for diybio-nyc
22:26 < kanzure> yay, sudo !! works.
22:50 < splicer> apparently they are planning for iGEM too
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22:59 < kanzure-> even though igem said no.
22:59 < kanzure-> hrm.
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23:07 < splicer> maybe the team is made up of students
23:08 < splicer> (...and they found a supervisor somewhere)
23:14 < kanzure-> fenn: did you find the OCC 5.2 docs in some linux-friendly format? or was it only the CHM stuff
23:26 < fenn> there's a .chm and a .HLP and some .pdf's
23:26 < fenn> the .HLP is by far the largest file, at about 90MB (but somehow all this compresses to 11MB)
23:28 < fenn> i'm not sure what to do with it, it uses "RoboHelp" functions from RoboEx32.dll 
23:28 < fenn> (which is included)
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