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00:22 < drazak> kanzure-: do you think immunology would be a good book for disease?
00:22 < drazak> I don't want to tax your internet too much... lol
00:23 < kanzure-> get "pathologic basis of disease"
00:23 < kanzure-> the Saunders book.
00:31 < drazak> ty
00:31 < drazak> that on your site somewhere?
00:32 < drazak> got the robbins one
00:35 < kanzure-> close enough.
00:35 < kanzure-> robbins is one of the authors
00:35 < kanzure-> saunders is the publisher
00:35 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/Medical/Medicine%20-%20Pathology%20-%20Robbins%20Pathologic%20Basis%20Of%20Disease%207ed%20(eBook).pdf
00:36 < drazak> yeah
00:36 < drazak> I'm downloading it
00:36 < drazak> it's ass slow
00:37 < kanzure-> I'm getting 800 kb/sec :)
00:37 < kanzure-> if you want, I'll upload it to the university network
00:37 < kanzure-> and it will be ass-fast
00:38 < fenn> faster than a speeding donkey
00:38 < drazak> nah it's ok
00:39 < kanzure-> uploading at 4.2 MB/sec
00:39 < kanzure-> http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/papers/Medicine%20-%20Pathology%20-%20Robbins%20Pathologic%20Basis%20Of%20Disease%207ed%20(eBook).pdf
00:39 < kanzure-> enjoy
00:40 < kanzure-> and please tell me what the speed is
00:40 < kanzure-> obviously my internal connection speed is completely unreliable
00:42 < drazak> lol
00:42 < drazak> got it in like 8 seconds
00:42 < kanzure-> you know, at that rate,
00:43 < kanzure-> I might as well just install mod_proxy or something
00:43 < kanzure-> on the servers at UT
00:44 < drazak> I was gonna offer that to you
00:44 < drazak> lol
00:44 < drazak> but I don't have a lot of disk space
00:46 < kanzure-> heh some of the other books in /books/Medical/ are funny 
00:46 < kanzure-> "SPINE SURGERY FOR THE NEUROLOGIST IN 5 MINUTES OR LESS"
00:48 < genehacker> oh speaking of funny papers
00:48 < kanzure-> it's a book :(
00:48 < genehacker> unplanned space exposure experiment with a flag is interesting
00:51 < kanzure-> hrm. now I need to figure out how to get the javascript working.
00:53 < genehacker> turns out a silk USSR flag doesn't last much more than a year in space
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09:22 < kardan> greetings!
10:20 < drazak> yo
10:40 < kanzure> hello kardan.
10:46 < kardan> hi, i stumbled about this chan on a site about open source hardware
10:50 < kanzure> yay.
10:57 < kardan> and i am about to create a linklost for osh
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11:20 < kanzure-> kardan: a what?
11:20 < kanzure-> what is linklost?
11:21 < kardan> sry, i meant link list
11:22 < kardan> something like a research summary
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11:30 < kanzure-> kardan: oh, I have one
11:30 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/om.html
11:30 < kanzure-> also, p2pfoundation.net has some good pages like Category:Design and Product_Hacking
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12:06 < kanzure> hrm. meeting up with david at 12:30. 
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13:42 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Bishop "Bryan Bishop was an American radio personality... ...He was referred to on the show as Bald Bryan." :: i did not know...
13:42 < ybit> :)
13:52 < wrldpc> Random Question:  any vegans or vegetarians in here?
13:55 < ybit> <--
13:55 < ybit> but i guess i can't claim that status after eating chowing on some salmon two days ago...
13:55 < ybit> but i have been for 3 years prior 
13:55 < ybit> wrldpc: why, what's up?
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14:38 < splicer> not me... but i drink a lot of coffee
15:02 < ybit> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Robotics:Index
15:02 < ybit> blender for robotics wiki + link to mailing list
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15:56 < nsh> what's new in world domination, fellas?
16:46 < kanzure> hi all.
16:46 < kanzure> wrldpc: fenn is vegetarian
16:46 < kanzure> fenn: just talked with les and treadwell for a few hours
16:59 < genehacker> was it vat grown salmon?
17:01 < genehacker> they can vat grow goldfish cells
17:02 < genehacker> some guy from nasa was crazy enough to cook and eat the stuff
17:06 < kanzure> genehacker: you should have come with me today
17:06 < kanzure> we went to the fablab
17:07 < genehacker> did you call me?
17:07 < genehacker> do you have a laser cutter or CNC machine?
17:09 < genehacker> I need to look at apartments...
17:11 < kanzure> genehacker: I found a place at The Retreat down on Lamar.
17:11 < kanzure> but if you can find some place on campus, you should go for it
17:11 < kanzure> or near campus
17:12 < kanzure> Reliable neuronal logic devices from patterned hippocampal cultures
17:15 < genehacker> how much
17:16 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Reliable%20neuronal%20logic%20devices%20from%20patterned%20hippocampal%20cultures.pdf
17:16 < kanzure> about $700/mo
17:16 < kanzure> for 690 sq ft. 
17:16 < genehacker> found a closer place
17:16 < genehacker> on speedway
17:16 < genehacker> it's jsut for the summer
17:22 < kanzure> ybit: I don't know if that's a good idea or not
17:22 < kanzure> using blender for robotics?
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18:00 < genehacker> for?
18:00 < genehacker> what does the extension do
18:01 < kanzure-> it's for google scholar
18:01 < kanzure-> in particular it keeps track of your queries that you have already done, so that you don't go in circles
18:01 < kanzure-> and the next version will do something like hook up to a dictionary or something
18:01 < kanzure-> to automatically generate new queries with a combination of words and phrases
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18:01 < kanzure-> that are related to what you are trying to find
18:02 < kanzure-> the reason why is because I commonly go in circles on Google Scholar
18:02 < kanzure-> or forget to do a certain query but with a changed term that I later found to be useful or something
18:02 < kanzure-> and if I would have remembered to do that, I would have found something important much much sooner
18:04 < kanzure-> right now I just need to work on the javascript, the gui part is mostly finished
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18:15 < drazak> haha
18:15 < drazak> people give me shit for free
18:15 < drazak> I love it
18:16 < genehacker> what did you discover one of the advantages of encorporating?
18:17 < drazak> incorporating?
18:17 < genehacker> so you can get companies to send you free stuff
18:18 < genehacker> dear sir or madam my company ######## is interested in utilizing your digital micromirror device in a device we cannot tell you about
18:19 < genehacker> my dad was able to get something like 10 laser diodes that way
18:19 < genehacker> sans incorporation though...
18:22 < drazak> I was talking to someone about finding a densitometer in the 80-150$ range
18:22 < drazak> and he was like
18:22 < drazak> if you can fix it you can have this broken one for free!
18:22 < drazak> and I was like
18:22 < drazak> OK!
18:23 < genehacker> sweet
18:24 < genehacker> so apparently you can get big flat panel tvs for really cheap
18:24 < genehacker> broken ones
18:24 < genehacker> that have busted caps
18:24 < drazak> yeah
18:24 < drazak> this just has a busted transistoer
18:25 < genehacker> so kanzure, there this new virus out there
18:26 < genehacker> you heard of that swine flu stuff?
18:26 < genehacker> you don't think we could make an array biosensor for detecting
18:26 < genehacker> it
18:27 < kanzure-> drazak has been wanting to do just that
18:27 < drazak> yeah
18:28 < drazak> but nobody in diybio has their shit together
18:28 < drazak> including myself
18:28 < drazak> soooooooooooooo
18:30 < kanzure-> need a simple way to make rough surfaces
18:30 < genehacker> have they sequenced it yet?
18:30 < kanzure-> variably rough surfaces
18:30 < genehacker> why?
18:31 < kanzure-> droplet actuation without pain.
18:31 < genehacker> is this for an array biosensor?
18:31 < kanzure-> it could be.
18:31 < kanzure-> but in general.
18:31 < genehacker> shoot surface with petawatt laser
18:32 < kanzure-> er, I don't have a petawatt laser
18:32 < genehacker> I know some people who do....
18:32 < genehacker> it will always be rough though
18:33 < kanzure-> or
18:33 < kanzure-> I need a way to photopattern Rain-X
18:33 < kanzure-> I guess a stencil would work
18:33 < kanzure-> alternating thin lines of rainx is enough to make droplets move over the surface
18:34 < genehacker> hmmm..
18:34 < genehacker> what is rainx made of?
18:36 < kanzure-> dunno. it's just a general hydrophobic material.
18:36 < kanzure-> it's not easy to draw with- it's meant to coat cars- so it might not be a good idea
18:36 < genehacker> you could piranha treat some stuff
18:36 < kanzure-> don't think piranha is diy-friednly
18:36 < kanzure-> *friendly
18:39 < genehacker> what is piranha again?
18:39 < kanzure-> some sort of nasty acid
18:40 < genehacker> h2o2 and some acid?
18:40 < genehacker> ok
18:40 < genehacker> goodfd point
18:40 < kanzure-> check this out
18:40 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Self-directed%20movements%20of%20droplets%20on%20radially%20patterned%20surfaces%20based%20on%20self-assembled%20monolayers.pdf
18:40 < kanzure-> pg 3
18:44 < genehacker> the system is down
18:44 < kanzure-> huh?
18:46 < genehacker> I can't get in 
18:47 < genehacker> hmmm... you think we could make DNA based vaccines with a gene synth?
18:47 < kanzure-> maybe. but I think an arrayer or something similar to an arrayer wuold make more sense at first.
18:47 < genehacker> yeah
18:48 < genehacker> we can use inkjet printers
18:48 < genehacker> if we could figure how to clean the inkjets
18:48 < genehacker> though the photolithographic method would work too
18:48 < kanzure-> oh shit I feel so stupid-- 
18:48 < kanzure-> Nanodispenser for attoliter volume deposition using atomic force microscopy probes modified by focused-ion-beam milling
18:48 < kanzure-> they make an array of attoliters of water droplets
18:49 < kanzure-> by using surface tension of a hole in the tip of an AFM probe
18:49 < genehacker> hmmmm
18:49 < kanzure-> makes sense.
18:49 < genehacker> could we do it fast and accurately?
18:49 < kanzure-> accurately to within 1 meter, sure
18:49 < genehacker> hahahahha
18:49 < kanzure-> that's enough, right?
18:49 < genehacker> I figured out how to answer any question in dynamics
18:50 < genehacker> what does v =?
18:50 < genehacker> v= 0
18:50 < genehacker> 0.000000000 billion parsecs per second
18:51 < genehacker> yeah we should just go with the photolithographic method
18:53 < kanzure-> of what though
18:53 < kanzure-> thought you said you couldn't access that paper I linked to
18:53 < genehacker> 403 forbidden
18:54 < kanzure-> oh, okay
18:54 < kanzure-> I was using scp instead of sftp, so scp probably wrote some crazy-stupid chmod permissions for some reason or another
18:55 < kanzure-> but yeah, anyway, 
18:55 < kanzure-> what the paper is about is this giant radial design
18:55 < kanzure-> where the lines are hydrophibic and between the lines it's hydrophilic or something
18:55 < kanzure-> or maybe that's the other way around
18:56 < kanzure-> and apparently droplets will go towards the center of that design
18:56 < kanzure-> and it's some sort of self-assembled monolayer of some peculiar chemical that you'll never be able to access in a million years
18:58 < kanzure-> oh
18:58 < genehacker> SCP?
18:58 < kanzure-> one way to do gradients might be to pattern a surface but from the side
18:58 < genehacker> http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/
18:58 < kanzure-> for instance, if you've ever shined a laser so that the dot is 'stretched' and coming in at a surface from an angle close to 180 but definitely not 90
18:58 < kanzure-> scp is a method of file transfer
18:58 < kanzure-> so is ftp.
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18:58 < kanzure-> anyway, if you use a photolithographically-curable polymer,
18:59 < kanzure-> you could pattern the surface roughness by *not* doing 90-degree lithography
18:59 < genehacker> ok
18:59 < kanzure-> perpendicular lithography I mean.
18:59 < kanzure-> so, non-perpendicular lithography. how do I search for this? heh'
18:59 < genehacker> perpendicular lithography, wat the ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuu-
18:59 < kanzure-> what?
19:00 < kanzure-> most lithography is perpendicular
19:00 < kanzure-> where you have a light source shinning at a perpendicular angle at the surface you are patterning
19:04 < genehacker> oops I meant non perpendicular
19:33 < kanzure> does the capillary force work for droplets?
19:34 < genehacker> maybe
19:34 < genehacker> tell me what your goal is
19:34 < kanzure> self-actuation of a microfluidic device. no external bullshit.
19:35 < genehacker> ok
19:35 < kanzure> in a DIY-friendly manner
19:35 < genehacker> for sharpie or something else?
19:35 < kanzure> i.e., nanotube forests for superhydrophobic gradients are not fair game
19:35 < kanzure> sharpie, or something else, either way.
19:36 < genehacker> ok then how about wax micropumps
19:37 < genehacker> yes capillary forces do work 
19:38 < genehacker> you can make electroosmotic pumps
19:38 < kanzure> I'm not seeing any papers that have done capillary force actuation of droplets
19:38 < genehacker> what do you want to use the pump for
19:39 < kanzure> what?
19:39 < kanzure> I don't want an active pump
19:39 < kanzure> I want a passive system..
19:39 < genehacker> a passive system?
19:39 < genehacker> why?
19:40 < kanzure> so that it doesn't have to be externally wired up to anything
19:40 < kanzure> a system entirely made up of surface tension, hydrophobic/hydrophilic or surface roughness, capillary forces, etc.
19:41 < genehacker> interesting idea
19:42 < genehacker> it would only work once though
19:42 < genehacker> but that's ok
19:42 < kanzure> why would it only work once?
19:42 < genehacker> what is the end result a one use biosensor?
19:42 < kanzure> for instance, consider a hydrophobic surface or something
19:42 < kanzure> that consists of a gradient due to micropillars of increasingly larger sizes
19:42 < kanzure> this can be used as many times as you want ..
19:43 < kanzure> the water will still act the same way when you dispense a droplet on it
19:43 < genehacker> sounds like a perpetual motion machine
19:43 < kanzure> nah, there's energy input
19:43 < genehacker> or I don't exactly understnad it
19:43 < kanzure> like the water.
19:43 < genehacker> put it on a boat
19:44 < genehacker> a very tiny boat
19:44 < kanzure> water can be made to go uphill
19:44 < kanzure> it can also be made to go in a certain pattern on a surface
19:44 < kanzure> that's the idea here.
19:44 < kanzure> right?
19:44 < kanzure> how is that perpetual motion?
19:44 < genehacker> if you continously remove the water then you are good
19:45 < genehacker> ok
19:45 < kanzure> but the trick is figuring out how to pattern those surfaces using a simple method
19:45 < genehacker> ok
19:46 < genehacker> what do you want to use it for?
19:46 < kanzure> for anything?
19:46 < kanzure> I mean, for multiply different projects
19:46 < genehacker> name one
19:46 < kanzure> DNA synthesis
19:46 < genehacker> ok
19:47 < genehacker> no idea how to pattern surfaces
19:47 < kanzure> ideally a mechanical method would be useful here.a
19:48 < kanzure> photolithography could do it using non-perpendicular lithography, but if you have a photolithography setup then what's the point- just pattern microstructures / micropillars
19:48 < kanzure> mechanical pore creation or something would be enough.
19:48 < genehacker> well don't you think acoustic actuation would be easier
19:48 < kanzure> and then by modulating the density of pores over the surface, you make yer gradient
19:48 < kanzure> no, because that would vibrate the entire device
19:49 < genehacker> change the resonant frequency
19:50 < kanzure> eh?
19:50 < genehacker> use different frequencies to drive different regoins
19:55 < genehacker> another good option would be to have one pump and a multiplexing system
19:56 < genehacker> hey didn't you say there was a paper about a substance that changes it's surface tension with light or something?
19:56 < genehacker> :<L
19:56 < genehacker> ][poi-0
19:56 < genehacker> oops
19:57 < genehacker> btw know of anyway I could make a small device that jams TVs?
19:57 < genehacker> from a distance of very close?
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20:09 < kanzure> genehacker: it would involve an infrared transmitter and a PIC or something
20:09 < genehacker> no
20:09 < genehacker> I want to build a device that induces a current in the wires connected to a TV, so that the TV displays static
20:11 < kardan1> heyho
20:11 < kardan1> kanzure, danke fuer deine links vorhin
20:12 < kardan1> ich hab das hier mit eingetragen https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware
20:15 < kanzure> I do not think we speak the same language
20:16 < genehacker> he says he registered for that open hardware website
20:16 < genehacker> just use google translate
20:16 < kanzure> http://diykeyboard.org/
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20:21 < kardan1> haho, i wroe in german to yo
20:22 < kardan1> thanks for your links
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20:22 < kardan1> i addem them to our group site https://we.riseup.net/opensourcehardware
20:22 < kanzure> I see.
20:22 < kanzure> I don't know if you've read through the p2pfoundation.net site yet or openmanufacturing.net
20:25 < kanzure> FUCK
20:25 < kanzure> stallman was yesterday
20:27 < genehacker> ah well
20:29 < genehacker> I think I saw someone with an HMD there...
20:32 < kanzure> how hard is it to acquire ferric chloride?
20:35 < kanzure> http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/cis/products/icsc/dtasht/_icsc14/icsc1499.htm
20:35 < kanzure> doesn't sound too terrible
20:35 < kanzure> hazard class 8
20:50 < genehacker> go to radio shack hard
20:50 < kanzure> ?
20:51 < kanzure> oh
20:51 < kanzure> but isn't it a bad thing to go to radio shack?
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21:45 < genehacker> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=search&term=h1n1
21:45 < kanzure-> what is h1n1?
21:45 < genehacker> papers that are just days old
21:45 < genehacker> swine flu
21:45 < kanzure-> awesome
21:45 < kanzure-> that's fast in terms of response
21:45 < genehacker> hopefully it isn't the next big pandemic
21:46 < genehacker> or anything like the 1918 spanish flu outbreak
21:46 < genehacker> yeah
21:46 < genehacker> AND A DAMN GOOD THING TOO
21:48 < genehacker> there's some people infected in Texas
21:51 < genehacker> so how can we detect it
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22:34 < ybit> kanzure i'm not sure either, just found it interesting since i'm a blender fan boy
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22:39 < genehacker> I for one use metasequoia sometimes
22:39 < genehacker> for modelling
22:42 < kanzure> blender has fanboys?
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22:59 < genehacker> I guess
22:59 < genehacker> every piece of software is bound to have fanboys
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23:57 < kanzure> It is time for the cessation of dominantly 20hz and greater brainwaves.
23:57 < kanzure> except maybe not
23:58 < kanzure> what is this about?
23:58 < kanzure> http://cosmeng.org/index.php/Myostatin_DBZ_project
23:58 < kanzure> oh, mirrored content