--- Day changed Sun Apr 26 2009 00:23 < kanzure> http://www.scipy.org/Cookbook/CoupledSpringMassSystem 00:24 < kanzure> I like how something that is supposed to be a mass system doesn't have a variable explicitly defined as mass. 00:25 < drazak> well 00:25 < drazak> I think diybio needs a list of things they should figure out 00:25 < kanzure> in what sense? 00:25 < drazak> like 00:25 < drazak> "how to make a home made sequencer" 00:25 < drazak> "how to make a home make xyz" 00:25 < kanzure> yeah? 00:26 < drazak> "how not to get infected by the shit you're working with" 00:26 < drazak> "how not to contaminate what you're working with" 00:26 < kanzure> so, do you want to add these questions to the FAQ? 00:26 < drazak> some other time 00:26 < drazak> I have a lot of projects right now 00:26 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ 00:26 < drazak> I need a way to get this densitometer a bit sooner than it's coming to me 00:26 < kanzure> it takes a minute to edit the page. 00:26 < kanzure> perhaps less if your fingers aren't retardedly slow 00:26 * drazak has nfc how to edit wikis 00:26 < kanzure> neat. 00:27 < drazak> yeah 00:27 < kanzure> I can respect that. 00:27 < drazak> I mean 00:27 < drazak> I know how to get into the edit page 00:27 < drazak> but I know nothing about wiki markup 00:27 < drazak> and the person that could help me, usually, is having a bootycall 00:27 < kanzure> drazak: Most people copy what they see. 00:28 < drazak> yeah, I could do that 00:28 < drazak> but there needs to be lists of procedures, with even stupid things 00:28 < kanzure> protocol-online.org ? 00:28 < drazak> you can't assume anyone took lab practices in their junior year of college 00:28 < drazak> so it has to be like 00:28 < drazak> 'change tips on pippeter, or change pippeters" etc 00:30 < kanzure> As it is now, the issue is that nobody wants to spend forever retyping protocol-online.org. 00:31 < drazak> yeah 00:31 < drazak> I know 00:46 < kanzure-> Overand: What is #outhouse? 00:54 < fenn> ybit: what's this about metasequoia? 00:56 < kanzure-> fenn: have you tried apt-get install units-filter ? 00:56 < kanzure-> ~$ echo 1.5e3 nN.m.s^-1 | units-filter 00:56 < kanzure-> 1.5e-6 2 1 -3 0 0 0 0 00:56 < kanzure-> which means : 1.5e-6 (SI unit) m^2.kg.s^-3 00:57 < fenn> no, but why would i want that? 00:57 < kanzure-> still reading the man pages. 00:57 < kanzure-> does equivalencies 00:57 < fenn> so does units and pq 00:57 < ybit> genehacker ^ 00:57 < kanzure-> then why is this here. 00:57 < kanzure-> multiple tools for the same job, but still 00:58 < ybit> fenn: i don't know, haven't looked at it, genehacker mentioned it 00:58 < genehacker> what? 00:58 < ybit> genehacker: [00:53] ybit: what's this about metasequoia? 00:58 < genehacker> metasequia is an ok 3d modelling program 00:58 < genehacker> that's about it 00:58 < genehacker> no big deal really 00:58 < fenn> i see.. nevermind then 00:59 < fenn> i hate it when people refer to 'SI' as 'International System' 01:00 < fenn> units-filter looks pretty weaksauce 01:01 < kanzure-> I'm trying to figure out how to get octave+units or sympy+units or something without killing myself with rewriting libraries 01:01 < fenn> i guarantee there's already something for octave 01:01 < kanzure-> I think numpy + pq might do the trick 01:01 < kanzure-> oh? I was reading the octave manual and saw nothing 01:01 < fenn> no reason to bother with python if you're working with octave 01:01 < kanzure-> where else should I look? 01:02 < fenn> i dont know.. aren't there craploads of plugin/libraries for octave? 01:02 < fenn> or can you use matlab add-ons? 01:02 * kanzure- checks the wiki 01:02 < kanzure-> http://wiki.octave.org/wiki.pl?Octave_Wiki 01:03 < fenn> i remember maxima had a units plugin 01:03 < kanzure-> there's one for physical constants 01:03 < fenn> http://www.my-tool.com/mathematics/maximaphp/doc/maxima_71.html 01:04 < kanzure-> thank you 01:04 < fenn> from sympy.physics.units import m, s 01:05 < kanzure-> er? really? 01:05 < fenn> (x * m/s).integrate((x, 1*s, 5*s)) 01:05 < kanzure-> google says yes. hrm. 01:05 < fenn> did you even do a basic search yet? 01:05 < kanzure-> yes, but I was focusing on scipy and numpy and octave 01:06 < kanzure-> not maxima and sympy 01:08 < genehacker> unit conversion? 01:08 < kanzure-> hrm: from sympy.physics.units import units 01:08 < genehacker> just use google 01:08 < kanzure-> dir(units) 01:08 < genehacker> hahhahahaha 01:08 < genehacker> I got some spam 01:09 < genehacker> just say ######### to ########### 01:09 < genehacker> can even be cubic millimeters to weird american equivalent 01:14 < fenn> good god, why does sympy want to install all that crap 01:16 < genehacker> unit conversions? 01:16 < genehacker> I have the code from solidworks that does that 01:16 < fenn> it recommends ipython, which pulls in all sorts of crap.. so --no-install-recommends prevents that from being installed 01:17 < kanzure-> what are you passing that arg to 01:17 < fenn> apt-get install 01:17 < fenn> from sympy.physics.units import units won't work 01:18 < kanzure-> worked for me. 01:18 < fenn> maybe you mean import sympy.physics.units as units 01:18 < kanzure-> es 01:18 < kanzure-> yes 01:19 < kanzure-> "centiliters" appears in the dir(units) list 01:19 < kanzure-> I think they are missing the point 01:19 < fenn> yes, that's rather silly 01:19 < kanzure-> micron and microns are two different units 01:19 < kanzure-> hah 01:19 < kanzure-> what's the point of this? 01:19 < fenn> so they dont have to do string parsing 01:20 < kanzure-> units.microns eq units.micron 01:20 < kanzure-> er, == 01:21 < fenn> True 01:22 < fenn> python equivalent of 'eq' is 'is' 01:22 < fenn> i think 01:32 < kanzure-> hrm. doesn't seem to work with sympy. 01:32 < kanzure-> er, sorry. I'm using quantites as pq now. 01:32 < kanzure-> x = Symbol("x"). blah = x * pq.J <-- does not work. 02:18 < kanzure-> and yet this does: t = sympy.var('t') \n q = 5 * t * pq.J 03:43 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-98-195.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:14 < splicer> centiliters is often used for food.. like a coke can is 33cl. 04:59 -!- nsh [n=nsh@host86-133-35-168.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:23 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:04 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- nsh [n=nsh@86.133.35.168] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:30 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@pool-173-48-214-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 10:02 < kanzure> any idea on resolving class conflicts when making a new class that has both Symbol and pq.Quantity as parents? 10:02 < kanzure> I get a vague error instead of a specific list of what conflicts. 10:08 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:24 -!- kardan1 [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:06 < kanzure> Cooling of a Particle by Coupling to its Own Reflection 12:06 < kanzure> http://arxiv.org/abs/0904.3059 12:26 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@dhcp-0049609942-ff-f3.client.student.harvard.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 < kanzure> http://cnczone.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&id=26 tool change script. but I'm not sure what the interpreter is. 13:15 -!- elias` [n=me@resnet-nat-001.ucs.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-65-96-165-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:15 -!- wrldpc_ [n=worldpea@dhcp-0049609942-ff-f3.client.student.harvard.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:35 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-234.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:07 -!- kardan1 [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:11 -!- fenn_ [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@c-65-96-165-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:23 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:53 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-234.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:14 -!- nsh [n=nsh@86.133.35.168] has quit [] 16:38 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn 16:42 < kanzure-> http://pdf.textfiles.com/zines/GBPPR/ 16:47 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-234.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-234.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:49 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-234.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:51 < kanzure-> fenn: Would you be kind enough to poke les if he's been home in the last ~24 hours and if you also happen to know if he's checked his email? He hasn't subscribed to "atxfab". 17:02 < genehacker> I have 17:02 < genehacker> btw what do you need to lasercut for the mechmate? 17:03 < genehacker> is it metal? 17:03 < kanzure-> yes 17:04 < kanzure-> Treadwell and I went over to the shop the other day, and les reminded me that the mechmate needs to have two things fixed before things can proceed with it. 17:04 < kanzure-> (1) Motor mounts need to be fabricated. He claims to have the CAD files already. 17:04 < kanzure-> (2) Welding error needs to be fixed. 17:04 < kanzure-> once you get #1 done, you throw all of the wires together and the pcb boards and motors and controllers and install emc 17:04 < kanzure-> or possibly kitware, but I'd prefer going with emc 17:05 < kanzure-> so I asked him to send over the motor mount file thingies, so we can check out what the prices might be on ponoko 17:05 < kanzure-> and if they suck, we could always check out what it would cost to make here at the university 17:07 < kanzure-> genehacker: Ultimately once all of that starts working, I'd like to write the software to make it so that people can order stuff to be in the job queue for the CNC router. And I know it's a pipe dream, but a way to automatically load/unload work pieces and stack piles would be really, really sweet. For engraved pieces, it's easy, but for amorphous stuff.. 17:07 < kanzure-> blah, that probably hit the cutoff point 17:07 < kanzure-> summary: giant-ass linkage to move stuff off of the router 17:08 < genehacker> well 17:08 < genehacker> you saw that paper on mating trajectory calculation?\ 17:08 < kanzure-> yes, but I don't want to have to build an arm 17:09 < genehacker> I for one would like a bunch of automatic warehouse robots 17:09 < kanzure-> if you have an arm then ytf do you only have a 2-axis CNC router 17:09 < genehacker> to take stuff of the CNC and put it into boxes 17:10 < kanzure-> but you might as well use it for multi-axis stuff. 17:10 < kanzure-> anyway, my experience with the desktop CNC machines (like the Fireball) is that people say they catch on fire often 17:10 < kanzure-> I hope this thing doesn't require human supervision at all times 17:10 < genehacker> hahahahaha 17:10 < genehacker> Fireball no doubt 17:11 < genehacker> possibly do all the work in a co2 atmosphere 17:11 < kanzure-> er, I don't think that's going to be likely 17:11 < kanzure-> not even an inflatable co2 atmosphere 17:11 < kanzure-> because that's still going to take up too much room 17:11 < kanzure-> maybe not. nevermind. 17:11 < genehacker> automatic fire extinguisher perhaps? 17:12 < genehacker> I was thinking an open air tub 17:12 < kanzure-> fire extinguisher robot :p 17:12 < kanzure-> "DANGER! DANGER!" 17:12 < genehacker> because CO2 is heavier than air 17:12 < genehacker> they do exist 17:12 < kanzure-> then why do we have firefighters 17:12 < genehacker> some people put a webcam on their repraps 17:12 < kanzure-> and if you say 'rescuers', then I'll just retort with calling them fire-rescuer-people. 17:12 < genehacker> because the firefigthing robots usually only put out candles 17:13 < kanzure-> the one thing that most people are capable of doing? Sounds redundant. 17:13 < kanzure-> Anyway. 17:13 < kanzure-> do you want to rent half a room with me? 17:14 < kanzure-> at the shop. 17:15 < genehacker> http://robotics.youngester.com/2008/08/fighting-fire-with-robots.html 17:15 < genehacker> huh? 17:15 < kanzure-> My latest apartment is about a mile away, so I'll be there more often. Will probably get Jonathan Cline to dump some diybio stuff there too. Treadwell claims he wants to bring his makerbot, lathe, and chemistry stuff. 17:15 < kanzure-> well we're renting out specific storage room thingies 17:15 < genehacker> how much and how far away? 17:15 < genehacker> from the campus? 17:15 < kanzure-> well it's at Congress and Ben White, so it's about 5 mi from campus 17:15 < genehacker> no 17:15 < kanzure-> heh 17:15 < genehacker> I have an 8:00 am class 17:15 < kanzure-> when? 17:16 < genehacker> AT 8 am in the morning 17:16 < kanzure-> summer? 17:16 < genehacker> yeah 17:16 < kanzure-> is that a good idea? 17:16 < genehacker> Chemistry stuff 17:16 < genehacker> only class available 17:16 < genehacker> hmmm... 17:16 < genehacker> hey do you know if we have an air compressor? 17:16 < kanzure-> but you still want to see it, right? 17:16 < kanzure-> yes, there is an air compressor 17:17 < genehacker> VERY YES 17:17 < genehacker> anyway one simple fire fighting robot we could make could shoot baking soda 17:17 < genehacker> Recently I've been thinking about making a robot that shoots water at smokers... 17:18 < kanzure-> it would be nice to get a PE-engineer on the scene to kick up the "engineering" feeling of it all 17:18 < genehacker> a burning cigarrete is easy to identify in infrared 17:18 < genehacker> PE? 17:18 < genehacker> petro? 17:18 < kanzure-> it's the exam that engineers go through to get "certified" in engineering 17:19 < kanzure-> and it's mostly what guys who run job shops have, or something 17:19 < genehacker> oh 17:19 < kanzure-> or it's the type of people that they hire 17:19 < genehacker> ok 17:19 < genehacker> I could take that exam 17:20 < kanzure-> I haven't. I hear it's basically your mechanical engineering thermo, fluids, mechanics, statics, dynamics, etc. 17:20 < genehacker> I wonder, how do all these japanese robot makers make the huge shiny plastic injection molded parts? 17:20 < genehacker> ok 17:20 < kanzure-> how big? 17:20 < genehacker> http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/_robot_fire_fighter.jpg 17:20 < genehacker> that big 17:20 < genehacker> look at those joints 17:21 < genehacker> they probably have harmonic drives 17:21 < genehacker> cheap? NO 17:21 < genehacker> we need cheaper robots 17:23 < kanzure-> Actually, I would be happy with knowing how to make very expensive robots- rather than the cheap little pieces of crap that I used to make. 17:23 < kanzure-> i.e., where do you go to figure out what to buy to make it expensive and to make it work too :p 17:24 < genehacker> I don't know 17:24 < genehacker> but really 17:24 < genehacker> cheap robots are better 17:25 < genehacker> a bunch of cheap robots are better than one big expensive one 17:25 < genehacker> as the big expensive one could break 17:25 < genehacker> if a couple cheap ones break you're ok 17:29 < genehacker> I'm a big fan of Rodney Brooks robotics philosophy 17:31 < genehacker> hmmmm... 17:31 < genehacker> now how could we get a thermal camera 17:31 < kanzure-> don't some consumer cameras have a thermal mode? 17:31 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:31 < kanzure-> consumer video cameras 17:31 < kanzure-> er, camcorders. 17:33 < genehacker> not a very good one 17:34 < genehacker> sure you can see some ir like the IR from LEDs 17:36 < genehacker> found a paper awhile back on making a low res thermal camera 17:36 < genehacker> for not that much 17:36 < kanzure-> can you cite it? 17:38 < genehacker> hold on 17:38 < genehacker> cite? 17:38 < genehacker> I'll send it to ya 17:39 < genehacker> http://amasci.com/amateur/elehob.html 17:39 < genehacker> in here under projects 17:40 < genehacker> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF--- 17:40 < genehacker> it isn't there 17:40 < kanzure-> try the internet archive 17:40 < genehacker> http://users.bestweb.net/~hobbs/footprints/fpspie11.pdf 17:40 < kanzure-> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://amasci.com/amateur/elehob.html 17:41 < kanzure-> ok, got it 17:41 < fenn> genehacker: those huge plastic pieces are probably vacuum formed, which anyone can do in a kitchen with a shopvac and an oven 17:41 < genehacker> ah 17:41 < genehacker> of course 17:41 < fenn> i happen to think it's highly gay 17:42 < genehacker> no 17:42 < fenn> but whatever floats your boat 17:42 < genehacker> that's not it 17:42 < fenn> seriously, what's with the uniforms? 17:42 < fenn> looks like char aznable 17:42 < genehacker> it's japanese TV 17:42 < kanzure-> $10 thermal imager thingy: http://web.archive.org/web/20070612054034/http://users.bestweb.net/~hobbs/footprints/fpspie11.pdf 17:43 < genehacker> fenn that's exactly the point 17:44 < genehacker> she's supposed to look like that 17:44 < genehacker> I haven't seen any gundam animes so I wouldn't know 17:44 < genehacker> SAVED 17:45 < fenn> so where do you get ferroelectric PVDF film? 17:45 * kanzure- was just wondering the same 17:45 < genehacker> ebay 17:45 < kanzure-> relying on ebay just doesn't sound like a smart plan.. 17:46 < kanzure-> but I might be clueless, so whatever 17:46 < genehacker> I PVDF eh? 17:46 < genehacker> I think I know where to get that 17:46 < fenn> i was hoping it was something like a PIR sensor diode, a pinhole, and some x/y scanning mechanism 17:46 < kanzure-> PIR? 17:46 < fenn> but that would be too easy i guess 17:46 < fenn> passive infrared 17:47 < kanzure-> oh. 17:47 < kanzure-> well that would be useful 17:47 < kanzure-> would that require crazy condenser optics? 17:47 < kanzure-> er, sorry, magnification optics 17:47 < fenn> if you want 17:47 < fenn> i dont know how sensitive those things are 17:47 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinylidene_fluoride 17:47 < genehacker> hmmm... 17:47 < genehacker> maybe 17:47 < kanzure-> fenn: poke les? 17:48 < fenn> genehacker: it has to be charged, not just any pvdf film 17:48 < fenn> kanzure-: he's asleep 17:48 < kanzure-> okay. 17:48 < fenn> don't spazz out because someone didnt sign up right away 17:49 < kanzure-> well it's just kind of pointless for you and me to be talking to each other on a mailing list when we could be doing it in here :p 18:44 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:15 -!- duzt [n=duzt@dsl093-216-054.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:31 < kanzure> Google Scholar Citation Explorer 19:31 < kanzure> http://compbio.cs.uic.edu/~mayank/software/slh/index.html 19:34 < kanzure> "show all common citations for a subset of documents you select" 19:34 < kanzure> er, I think he means to say "show papers that cite those papers". I think. 19:59 < kanzure> The most cited paper ever- that I can find- is one that is cited 10,000 times re: pdb (the bioinformatics db) published in 2002. 19:59 < kanzure> according to Google Scholar. 19:59 < kanzure> now, it occurs to me that Google Scholar is indexing my PDF collection 20:00 < kanzure> it also occurs to me that PDFs are mostly generated by latex templates 20:00 < kanzure> In principle, I should be able to make myself the most cited individual-- according to Google Scholar-- ever. 20:00 < kanzure> the question is, what should the paper be about? 20:05 < splicer> you would write a paper and add a citation to it in all your pdf:s? 20:19 < kanzure-> No, I'd just generate a few hundred thousand papers or something and reference it. 20:19 < kanzure-> ooh 20:19 < kanzure-> i'll make it self-referential 20:19 < kanzure-> the paper will be about writing the paper 20:20 < kanzure-> or doing the hack. 20:28 < splicer> it's called bombing? 20:32 < splicer> I've heard of companies who have been blacklisted by google for doing SEO that google didn't like. 20:32 < kanzure-> "google bombing" is not commonly done with google scholar 20:32 < splicer> For a company it can be a bit like falling off the face of the earth 20:32 < splicer> ...until now ; ) 20:37 < splicer> the swedish riaa and mpaa equivalents homepages here were down today. It seems the reason was that some people wanted to show that they could... 20:38 < splicer> they said... riaa is going down at two... and it did. 20:44 < drazak> what is google scholar anyway 20:44 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/ 20:44 < kanzure> search engine for scholarly bullshit 20:44 < drazak> oh cool 20:55 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9F84C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:58 -!- truename [n=truename@c-76-125-146-206.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:58 -!- truename [n=truename@c-76-125-146-206.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:33 < kanzure-> genehacker: I'm reading through some of my old notes. Here's something on piezoelectric self-replicating machines. http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-March/000423.html 21:33 < genehacker> hmmm? 21:38 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:38 < kanzure-> woah, I totally forgot about this 21:38 < kanzure-> http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000580.html 21:39 < kanzure-> "Mammalian cells can produce tiny magnetic nuggets after the 21:39 < kanzure-> introduction of a single gene from bacteria, scientists have found. 21:39 < kanzure-> The gene MagA could become a valuable tool for tracking cells' 21:39 < kanzure-> movement through the body via magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), says : 21:39 < kanzure-> " 21:39 -!- kardan [n=kardan@240.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:40 < kanzure-> argument as to why a singularity can't happen in a box in the middle of outer space: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000599.html 21:43 < kanzure-> bacteria producing 'brain proteins' naturally: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-June/000638.html 21:45 < kanzure-> CNC machining in free fall http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-May/000473.html 21:48 < kanzure-> ooh, here's the original diybio announcement: http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-April/000425.html 22:34 < kanzure-> oh. That's right. I was working on the 2D phenotype/SNP map for brain map stuff, informed by gene expression regulatory studies or something from humancortex.alleninstitute.org 22:35 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9F84C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:36 < kanzure-> "I am program, programmer and that which is programmed." 22:57 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [] 23:11 < genehacker> WOAH 23:11 < genehacker> MAGNETIC CELLS 23:23 < kanzure-> :) 23:23 < kanzure-> "things bryan has forgotten over the years" 23:25 < genehacker> you didn't forget it 23:25 < genehacker> it was just in your external memory 23:26 < genehacker> wait CNC milling in freefall? 23:26 < genehacker> read about milling on the moon 23:26 < genehacker> it's harder than it looks 23:27 < genehacker> you have to damp vibration 23:28 < kanzure-> genehacker: search for "MRI reporter gene" 23:28 < kanzure-> apparently there are others 23:28 < genehacker> WOAH 23:28 < kanzure-> you could couple it to gene regulation I think 23:28 < kanzure-> and then you have a dynamic way of MRI'ing gene regulation in vivo 23:29 < kanzure-> might be useful for teh brain 23:29 < kanzure-> ooh 23:30 < genehacker> http://www.waterjets.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=31 23:30 < genehacker> could I get more info about cnc milling in freefall? 23:31 < kanzure-> did you read the link I gave above? 23:31 < kanzure-> because that's all I have 23:32 < genehacker> that's not much 23:32 < kanzure-> odd. my server clock is wrong - it thinks it's back in 2008. 23:32 < genehacker> I wonder if nasa has done any studies on it 23:32 < genehacker> maybe it is FOR YOU 23:33 < kanzure-> "can you manufacture a new turbojet engine in freefall in time to install it and stop an airplane from crashing into the ground" 23:33 < kanzure-> hehe 23:34 < fenn> reminds me of indiana jones' inflatable life-raft makeshift parachute 23:34 < genehacker> hahaha 23:34 < genehacker> where's that 23:34 < genehacker> I don't think so 23:34 < kanzure-> it's a new extreme sport 23:35 < kanzure-> you're thrown from the highest possible point in the atmosphere- maybe extreme orbital diving- 23:35 < kanzure-> and your job is to construct a mechanism to land safely using only the tools that you have available 23:35 < genehacker> maybe a ramjet... 23:35 < genehacker> I don't think so 23:35 < fenn> i'll take a parachute as one of my tools 23:35 < genehacker> you'd blackout 23:35 < fenn> it's a 'survival backpack' 23:36 < kanzure-> eh, but you won't get too many points for parachutes 23:36 < genehacker> you know what would be cool? 23:36 < genehacker> a blimp at the edge of space 23:36 < fenn> on jupiter 23:36 < genehacker> nah 23:36 < genehacker> here on earth 23:36 < kanzure-> IN M31! YEAH! 23:36 < kanzure-> is there a biobrick for these MRI reporter genes yet? 23:36 < genehacker> what are you gonna see on jupiter? clouds? 23:37 < genehacker> I bet not 23:37 < genehacker> well then, let's form an iGEM team 23:37 < kanzure-> things to make into biobricks: (1) ComB gene system thingy, (2) MRI reporter genes, (3) voltage-mediated dyes, .. 23:37 < kanzure-> why? it costs so much.. 23:37 < genehacker> why does it costs so much? 23:38 < fenn> "because" 23:38 < kanzure-> because people who attend igem are made of money 23:38 < genehacker> then let's make a tree that grows money 23:38 < fenn> how about pot oranges 23:39 < genehacker> how about a DNA synthesizer first 23:41 < fenn> how about anything at all 23:42 < kanzure-> heh. 23:42 < genehacker> ok 23:42 * kanzure- has been reminding himself how much he hates XUL/CSS/HTML/JS work. 23:42 < genehacker> when summer comes and I don't have as much work 23:46 < fenn> yay a new mailing list! 23:46 < kanzure-> another one? 23:46 < fenn> no 23:46 < kanzure-> oh, your email 23:46 < kanzure-> ok, if it needs to be drill pressed then let's just use the machine shop services here on campus 23:47 < kanzure-> I'll even gift wrap them and hand deliver them.. 23:47 < fenn> will you include the cookie you so rudely stole from me? 23:47 < kanzure-> check the envelope. 23:49 < genehacker> kanzure you can use the machine shop 23:49 < genehacker> i can;t 23:49 < kanzure-> you still haven't got training? 23:49 < kanzure-> you were only banned for three weeks or something 23:49 < genehacker> a month 23:50 < fenn> banned from taking training classes? 23:50 < genehacker> now all the classes are when I have class :( 23:50 < kanzure-> fenn: yep. 23:51 < fenn> how do you manage that? 23:51 < kanzure-> he didn't wear jeans and he arrived late 23:52 < genehacker> had a test 23:52 < fenn> sounds a bit harsh 23:52 < kanzure-> the machine shops tend to feel like that here 23:52 < genehacker> they don't want to get sued 23:53 < fenn> what are jeans supposed to do? 23:53 < fenn> stop a big block of metal from crushing your foot? 23:53 < fenn> really now 23:54 < genehacker> ??? 23:57 < kanzure-> hrm, I wonder if you could use MagA like you can GFP for tagging different specific proteins 23:57 < fenn> no 23:58 < kanzure-> what's the GFP tagging mechanism? 23:58 < fenn> the protein is stuck to the target and it glows 23:58 < kanzure-> whereas you can't stick a magnetic protein to something? 23:58 < fenn> magA creates some kind of magnetic nugget 23:58 < kanzure-> oh, it creates the nugget? 23:58 < kanzure-> er, nevermind. 23:58 < kanzure-> I meant to ask, "it catalyzes the creation of the nugget?" 23:58 < kanzure-> which makes sense, since iron isn't incorporated into amino acids 23:59 < fenn> and it's membrane located