--- Day changed Mon Apr 27 2009
00:03  * fenn goes to spend the last of his money
00:03 < kanzure-> on what?
00:03 < fenn> groceries, and a brake caliper
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00:19 < kanzure-> "optical atomic magnetometer"
00:25 < kanzure-> Neuronal current detection with low-field magnetic resonance
00:29 < kanzure-> Where are all of those portable MRI devices that I was promised?
00:30 < kanzure-> specifically so that I might be able to do transgenic mice with MRI of gene regulation networks in different regions of the brain
00:31 < kanzure-> (so, there's many thousands of genes specific to the brain, so it would either take many thousands of mice, or some cleverness in switching of which circuit is being regulated at what time)
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00:52 < kanzure-> hrm. multiphoton fluorescence microscopy with GFP up to 1 mm into the rat cortex. 
00:52 < kanzure-> Theer et al. 2003
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01:21 < fenn> "portable MRI" just sounds like it's not going to happen any time soon
01:21 < fenn> at least until we get low temp superconductors
01:21 < fenn> er, room temp superconductors
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01:29 < fenn> the ATM had a feature i've never seen before.. you shove in a wad of bills and it scans them
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01:40 < kanzure> there was something about non-superconductor MRI stuff.
01:44 < fenn> well then you need a bigass battery to keep the field strength up
01:44 < kanzure> hrm. no thanks.
01:44 < fenn> or a generator or something like a semi trailer
01:44 < kanzure> can you show your work?
01:46 < fenn> beta = 7T = 6320MA*turn*2m^2*pi*Eo
01:46 < fenn> :\
01:47 < fenn> Eo = 8.8541878e-12 A^2 s^4 / kg m^3
01:48 < fenn> tesla = 1 kg / A s^2
01:48 < fenn> so, fudge those to get the units right and you're probably in the ballpark
01:50 < kanzure> I don't like seeing mega-amps in my units.
01:53 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2009/04/23/donated-lungs-breathing-outside-the-body-video/
01:54 < kanzure> or for the actual news: http://www.uhn.ca/news/Index.asp?crypt=%D3%EA%E1%B2%08Q%25D%B1%0Es%1F%5C%E7E%E4%FF%3B%DE
01:55 < fenn> dont we have artificial lungs yet? like dialysis machine but for oxygen
01:56 < splicer> respirator
01:56 < kanzure> "oxygenator"
01:56 < kanzure> er
01:57 < kanzure> I'm also reminded of the heart-in-a-jar work: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/i_want_a_heart_in_a_jar.php
01:57 < splicer> i want one to extract oxygen from water
01:58 < kanzure> fenn, out of curiosity, did you try the 5 mg adderall?
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02:17 < genehacker_> we have artificial lungs
02:18 < kanzure-> http://www.uhn.ca/news/Index.asp?crypt=%D3%EA%E1%B2%08Q%25D%B1%0Es%1F%5C%E7E%E4%FF%3B%DE
02:18 < kanzure-> that's not artificial.
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02:21 < genehacker_> no sleep too eh?
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02:45 < bkero> >=)
03:33 < genehacker_> :>
03:38 < faceface> re: artificial lungs, interesting is mimetic haemoglobin
03:38 < faceface> still nothing beats the original
03:42 < genehacker_> devices that infuse oxygen directly into ones blood have a major advantage in dangerous environments
03:42 < genehacker_> say a carbon monoxide filled mine
03:44 < faceface> why not use an air tank
03:44 < faceface> scuba gear
03:46 < genehacker_> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0806/0806.3792.pdf
03:46 < genehacker_> that's why
03:47 < faceface> genehacker_: what does that say?
03:47 < genehacker_> read the paper
03:48 < faceface> no
03:48 < faceface> ;-)
03:48 < faceface> sorry
03:48 < faceface> I'm at work
03:48 < faceface> but I'm just curious
03:48 < faceface> i.e. what is wrong with a CO filter?
03:49 < faceface> anyway, I just thought that if you were interested in artificial lungs, you may be interested in Heamoglobin mimetics
03:49 < genehacker_> yes very much so
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09:57 < kanzure> "
09:57 < kanzure> "
09:57 < kanzure> Ding and his colleagues show that mouse cells can be reprogrammed to
09:57 < kanzure> form stem cells with a combination of purified proteins and a chemical
09:57 < kanzure> additive, thus avoiding the use of genetic material."
09:58 < kanzure> "purely protein pluripotency"
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10:38 < kanzure> posted some more to http://postbiota.org/mailman/listinfo/papers
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11:50 < kanzure> How much anxiety should I have over the swine flu stuff in the news?
11:51 < faceface> kanzure: just talking about that in #bioinformatics
12:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Cell_membrane_detailed_diagram.svg
12:45 < kanzure> I have renewed faith in humanity.
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14:19 < kanzure-> using picosecond or nanosecond pulsing of lasers in water to generate bubbles, the shockwaves from cavitation (bubble break down) travel 0.1225 mm. 
14:19 < kanzure-> the pressure at the plasma rim ranges from a few thousand megapascals to almost ten thousand megapascals
14:19 < kanzure-> the pressure decays (after shock front formation) roughly proporational to 1/r^2
14:20 < kanzure-> maximum bubble wall velocity ranges from 390 to 2450 m/sec. 
14:20 < kanzure-> waterjet cutting, for comparison, is done at 620 MPa. 
14:21 < kanzure-> blah- so almost :) you can almost do light-induced waterjet cutting via popping bubbles with ridiculously small orifices
14:21 < kanzure-> off by a factor of ~15
14:22 < bkero> I keep getting red-numbered in here for the word 'bubbles'
14:22 < kanzure-> ?
14:23 < kanzure-> oh, you highlight the word still?
14:28 < kanzure-> also, the laser cavitation stuff (for pumping droplets and stuff) was 10 to 40 atm.
14:28 < kanzure-> which is 4 MPa.
14:39 < kanzure-> hrm. cell lysis done with 120 MPa with a laser and cavitation .. there has been some low-pressure waterjet cutting/machining with only 35 MPa. so, there you have it. 
14:39 < kanzure-> It would have to be very close to the site of shockwave generation though- the work piece material, I mean
14:40 < kanzure-> yay, somebody thought of this. "Possibility of Metal Processing Using Ultrasonic Cavitation Jet."
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15:41 < kanzure> neat, some postdoc emailed me- he has a biobrick of MagA
15:43 < kanzure> hah! 
15:44 < kanzure> does anyone else see the irony in the google logo today being braille?
15:44 < kanzure> erm, morse code
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17:02 < kanzure> http://actualhardware.com/
17:03 < fenn> lies!
17:04 < kanzure> guess who.
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17:05 < kanzure> http://opensourcebridge.org/
17:05 < kanzure> http://opensourcebridge.org/proposals/140
17:06 < kanzure> so er, does he have any .. actual hardware?
17:07 < fenn> i thought he looked familiar
17:08 < kanzure> http://actualblog.tumblr.com/
17:08 < kanzure> so he has some wrenches
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17:50 < kanzure> apparently I like chargrilled pork.
18:18 < kanzure-> GraphScholar http://hublog.hubmed.org/archives/001002.html
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18:38 < kanzure-> https://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Tree
18:38 < kanzure-> this is terrible documentation
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18:52 < kanzure-> somewhat better: http://www.xul.fr/tutorial/tree.html
18:52 < kanzure-> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=282459
19:00 < kanzure-> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Code_snippets/On_page_load
19:05 < fenn> while sorting papers i found this one which was sort of what i was talking about the other day with hyperbolic and conformal mappings for a wearable interface: http://graphics.uni-konstanz.de/publikationen/2006/complex_logarithmic_views/Boettger et al. -- Complex Logarithmic Views for Small Details in Large Contexts.pdf
19:05 < fenn> add %20's as necessary
19:11 < kanzure-> irssi adds in \t's. blah.
19:16 < kanzure->     if(doc.location.href.search("forum") > -1)
19:16 < kanzure->       alert("a forum page is loaded");
19:16 < kanzure-> welcome to bad coding 101
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22:05 < kanzure-> interesting, sbcglobal.net's mail system backend is perl
22:06 < kanzure-> see /home/y/bin/ymail_sbc_localdot.pl
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23:08 < genehacker> hey kanzure, could you find some shikimic acid production pathways?
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23:11 < genehacker> would you beliece they make tamiflu from some chinese spice?
23:12 < genehacker> I though this was the year 2000
23:12 < genehacker> and we didn't need to do that
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23:35 < kanzure-> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879
23:35 < kanzure-> foxtab ? 3D tabs?? hrm.
23:35 < kanzure-> oh, it sucks
23:35 < kanzure-> nevermind