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07:53 < kanzure> I can get out and run faster than the connection here..
08:07 < kanzure> "Successful representations of reality become more important than the reality they represent." blah?
08:20 < kanzure> "If "x" is a hypersulfuric surface composed of future inextendable null geodisc generators without equastics, i.e., the expansion of the nil geodics, comprising of the horizon, cannot become negatively infinite." <- still not sure where this came from (it was from Dexter's Lab, but somebody had to think of it)
08:26 < kanzure> I have been slacking in my quotes.html file re: diybio for some reason
08:26 < kanzure> surely there have been some good quotes that I am forgetting at the moment?
08:34 < kanzure> ok-- here's one that I've added and modified a little
08:34 < kanzure> "Blaming diybio for the incomplete infrastructure and empty promises of human civilization in the 21st century-- for the ability to become infected and for the atmosphere we all share with one another-- is like buying a computer with proprietary, closed-source software, losing all of your work to inevitable hard disk drive failure, and then suing Richard Stallman."
08:41 < kanzure> "When the terminology of risk took ground, it replaced the older notion that thought "in terms of good and bad fortune."[1] Niklas Luhmann (1996) seeks to explain this transition: "Perhaps, this was simply a loss of plausibility of the old rhetorics of Fortuna as an allegorical figure of religious content and of prudentia as a (noble) virtue in the emerging commercial society."[2]"
08:56 < kanzure> The origins of risk
08:56 < kanzure> http://hub.hku.hk/bitstream/123456789/38822/1/17.pdf
08:59 < kanzure> "[Risk] may even be, as far as future outcomes are concerned, the very essence of a decision. However, the limits of these research fields make it possible to avoid the risk of defining the concept of risk."
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09:06 < kanzure> fractal antennaes
09:06 < kanzure> capacitors as antennaes
09:06 < kanzure> capacitive coupling
10:18 < kanzure> " .. prudence was viewed as the capacity of humans (as distinct from animals) to choose between reasonable expectations, contingent on the actions of other people .. so prudence, not risk, was the term for the capability to cope with temporal and social contingencies."
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10:26 < kanzure> hi ybit 
10:29 < ybit> hello kanzure
10:48  * fenn reads "On Intelligence"
10:53 < kanzure> fenn: the wikipedia articles on HTM are sufficient
10:53 < kanzure> HTM = "hierarchical temporal memory"
10:53 < fenn> who was in here championing it several months ago?
10:53 < kanzure> kardan?
10:54 < kanzure> possibly splicer
10:55 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory-prediction_framework
10:55 < fenn> branstrom = the other .se transhumanist
10:56 < fenn> i'd rather read the original
11:10 < splicer> (not me)
11:11 < kanzure> oh, sorry
11:11 < kanzure> my logs have been corrupted by the gnomes and pixies in the forest
11:11 < kanzure> they run in here during the night to escape the poisons that the apartment complex sprays
11:14 < splicer> i know it well... new car smell also sustains them
11:27 < kanzure>  wget -m -np http://192.168.1.104/books/
11:36 < kanzure> scattershotfuture.com and austinbrains.org may no longer be working
11:36 < kanzure> also, fablab.af and cashpeer.com too
11:39 < kanzure> mtt_make_examples.sh in /usr/share/mtt/doc/
11:39 < kanzure> "This makes all of the standard examples."
11:39 < kanzure> "It takes a few hours."
11:39 < kanzure> "Copyright (C) 2003 by Peter J. Gawthrop"
11:40 < kanzure> it's this giant spaghetti mess of bash scripts that are impressively cryptic
12:25 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-08-17_gdmap.png
12:34 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/labmusic_tree.txt
12:37 < kanzure> todo: du -h * records on a cronjab wired up to something with imagemagick or gdmap without the gui to do systematic folder structure maps in some semi-visually appealing way.
12:37 < kanzure> *cronjob
12:38 < nsh> that books link is down for me :-/
12:38 < kanzure> you have to wait 20 seconds or something
12:38  * nsh looks up wget timeout
12:38 < kanzure> wget should not timeout on it
12:39 < kanzure> please don't wget it (at least right now)
12:39 < nsh> ok
12:39 < kanzure> show of hands: how many of you are currently wgetting my ass?
12:39 < nsh> if you want to email me a tarbzball 
12:39  * nsh is not
12:39 < kanzure> nsh: /books/ is 505 GB.
12:39 < nsh> oh
12:39 < nsh> mebbe not
12:40 < nsh> i'll send you a portable when i get some money
12:40 < kanzure> if you mail me a drive, I'll dump it on it
12:40 < kanzure> yeah
12:40 < kanzure> they are cheap now- about $60
12:40 < kanzure> plus $20 to $30 shipping
12:40 < nsh> aye
12:42 < nsh> what's your take on google wave btw, kanz?
12:42 < fenn> mebbe you should ask utopiah
12:43 < fenn> <-txtmode 4 evar
12:46 < Utopiah> don't really know about Wave , so far the audience was amazed by inline spelling correction so :-# 
12:46 < nsh> you could make a textmode wave client
12:46 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/labmusic_tree.du.txt
12:47 < kanzure> no guarantees on how large that file is
12:47 < kanzure> loaded ok over here though
12:48 < nsh> what's labmusic?
12:49 < nsh> oh, nm
12:49 < fenn> big bucket o bits
12:49 < nsh> what are all the ftp://...packages.. items?
12:49 < kanzure> techno hoard
12:49 < fenn> the what?
12:49 < kanzure> ftp.icm.edu.pl
12:51 < kanzure> nsh: it's what the poor grad students here in america listen to while pipetting their souls for the nth gazillionth time on yet another pcr reaction on an inevitably shitty project.
12:51 < kanzure> there was actually a good sound system wired up throughout the lab
12:52 < nsh> nice
12:52 < nsh> also, microfluidics ftw
12:52 < kanzure> did you grab the archive yet?
12:55 < nsh> which?
12:55 < kanzure> the microfluidics archive
12:55 < nsh> nope
12:55 < kanzure> then what's with the random ftw?
12:55 < nsh> link?
12:55 < kanzure> one moment
12:56 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip (585 MB)
12:56 < kanzure> it's in the /topic
12:56 < kanzure> there's also the 3.5 GB tar file of mostly everything: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/papers-backup-2009-06-02.tar
12:56 < nsh> ftw because it may stop grad students pipetting their souls away
12:57 < kanzure> in incremenets of 1 ml or less at a time.
12:57 < kanzure> *increments
12:57 < kanzure> or whatever the devil the precision is of those devices
12:59 < nsh> high, i'd imagine
12:59 < fenn> i have more confidence in pipette wielding robots
13:00 < fenn> simpler mapping from grad student to robot that way
13:00 < kanzure> so wait, is the grad student supposed to be the pipetting robot?
13:00 < kanzure> if so, where are undergrads supposed to go
13:00  * nsh smiles
13:00 < nsh> they maintain the robots
13:00 < nsh> as currently
13:01 < fenn> 'moar pizza, slave!'
13:01 < fenn> i mean, uh, 'moar oil!'
13:01 < nsh> :-)
13:02 < kanzure> MTTdx doesn't seem to  be defined in /usr/share/mtt/ at all. hm.
13:07 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/greplog/mtt.mttdx.1
13:09 < kanzure> oh, maybe it's defined as MTTdX (case sensitive)
13:09 < kanzure> aha
13:12 < kanzure> lib/examples/Mechanical/Mechanical-2D/TwoLink/MTT_work/TwoLink_ese.r:MTTdX(4,1) := +TwoLink__rod2__th_3_flow;
13:22 < kanzure> heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/MotorGenerator_ese.r
13:22 < kanzure> hrm
13:22 < kanzure> er, http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/MotorGenerator_ese.r
13:26 < kanzure> other stuff of interest: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/mtt/
13:27 < drazak_> I did
13:28 < kanzure> did who?
13:28 < drazak_> nevermind
13:28 < drazak_> I was scrolled up a page and a half
13:28 < kanzure> "INFORMATION: Component MotorGenerator connects ports with units radians/s and radians/s."
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13:43 < kanzure>   DC.ports.Electrical.domain = "electrical";
13:43 < kanzure>   DC.ports.Electrical.units.effort = "volt";
13:43 < kanzure>   DC.ports.Electrical.units.flow = "amp";
13:58 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axon
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13:58 < kanzure> "Individual axons are microscopic in diameter (typically about 1μm across), but may be up to several feet in length"
13:58 < kanzure> "The longest axons in the human body, for example, are those of the sciatic nerve, which run from the base of the spine to the big toe of each foot. These single-cell fibers of the sciatic nerve may extend a meter or even longer.[1]"
14:00 < kanzure> "Myelin is composed of about 80% lipid and about 20% protein. Some of the proteins that make up myelin are Myelin basic protein (MBP), Myelin oligodendrocyte glycoprotein (MOG), and Proteolipid protein (PLP). Myelin is made up primarily of a glycolipid called galactocerebroside. The intertwining of the hydrocarbon chains of sphingomyelin serve to strengthen the myelin sheath."
14:00 < kanzure> "The squid giant axon is the very large (up to 1 mm in diameter; typically around 0.5 mm) axon that controls part of the water jet propulsion system in squid. Squid use this system primarily for making brief but very fast movements through the water."
14:01 < kanzure> "While the squid axon is very large in diameter it is unmyelinated which decreases the conduction velocity potential substantially. The conduction velocity of a typical 0.5 mm squid axon is about 25 m/s. The sodium gain per impulse is 4 pm/cm2 (picomole per square centimeter) and the potassium gain is also 4pm/cm2.[citation needed]"
14:02 < kanzure> human skin is somewhat piezoelectric?
14:29 < fenn> see flanagan neurophone
14:29 < fenn> all these descriptions of the cortical sheet remind me of the kombucha scoby
14:30 < fenn> which probably means nothing if you've never grown kombucha
14:31 < bkero> urgh kombucha
14:33 < kanzure> fenn: there are books with pictures of neuron stuff on the bookshelves and on the server
14:33 < kanzure> fenn: taking notes would be cool too. it's something I never did for neuroscience really, except for classes and my stuff on autism, cortical columns, etc.
14:33 < kanzure> actually I guess I do have a lot of that heh'
14:34 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/neurocomparison.html
14:34 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/
14:34 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html
14:34 < kanzure> how to draw a neuron: http://heybryan.org/school/Psychology/2007-09-11.html
14:35 < kanzure> minicolumnar bullshit: http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html (ok, it's not quite BS)
14:35 < fenn> meh
14:35 < kanzure> colorful voodoo magic: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/brainbow/ involving genetics and the brain
14:35 < kanzure> (which I'd like to hang at art)
14:36 < kanzure> *as art
14:37 < kanzure> molecular neurobiology: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Biology%20-%20Elements%20of%20Molecular%20Neurobiology.Third%20Edition.%20(Wiley).pdf
14:37 < kanzure> child neurology: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Biology%20-%20Lippincott%20-%20Child%20Neurology%206e.pdf
14:37 < kanzure> neuroanatomy: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Biology%20-%20Neuroanatomy%20-%20Atlas%20of%20Structures,%20Sections,%20Systems%206th%20Ed%20(Lippincott%20Williams%20&%20Wilkins).pdf
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15:30 < splicer> fenn: The pirate party got one of 18 swedish seats in the european parliament... 7.1% of the vote.
15:40 < fenn> sweet
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16:07 < drazak_> nice
16:08 < fenn> i suppose i should be partying or something
16:08 < splicer> arrrr
16:08 < fenn> free pirates for everyone!
16:08 < splicer> ; )... i'm a bit happy on the inside
16:09 < splicer> seems they got 7.0% of the vote in the end.
16:12 < splicer> it was really strange to see the politicians in the swedish parliament shift on some of the pirates issues... they used to go with whatever the riaa lobby wanted, but over just a few months all politicians were suddenly file sharing friendly.
16:14 < fenn> i hope it turns into an international shit-storm, because right now IP issues are not even on the radar in US politics
16:16 < splicer> they were not here either... the pirates were considered criminals... this took everyone by surprise.
16:17 < splicer> There has actually been some really good debates here about file sharing.
16:23 < splicer> The pp got traction when they shifted from "free downloading" to privacy on the net issues and reforming the copyright law. They now advocate "free downloading" by saying that the only way to stop it is by grossly violating privacy.
16:25 < splicer> when anyone can publish anything to everyone in the world for free in a minute for free things have become a bit different.
16:25 < fenn> hmm that's sort of a roundabout way of stating the basic realities
16:26 < splicer> yeah... but here we needed the pirate bay trial to drive that point home.
16:27 < splicer> it terrifies a lot of people... like writers
16:27 < fenn> who shouldnt be, since they won't ever make money anway (and should realize that already)
16:27 < fenn> just like kids who play basketball shouldnt expect to be superstars
16:29 < fenn> part of the problem is that writers think that what they write is somehow theirs
16:29 < fenn> when really it's communication of ideas that belong to nobody
16:29 < splicer> like ideas are discovered? it's easier for people who are not already used to make money that way.
16:29 < fenn> you can admire someone's skill in communication or the effort they've put into it
16:30 < splicer> i agree... the world is ever changing
16:31 < fenn> i dont know if ideas are created or discovered, but the fact is that 99% of ideas are learned (dont you love statistics)
16:31 < splicer> (i love 95% of the statistics)
16:32 < splicer> i've been surprised to find real discussions about intellectual property rights debated in daily press...
16:33 < splicer> like writers suddenly arguing "what's so normal about intellectual property rights? Isn't it more normal that everyone can have what I discover"
16:34 < fenn> normal isnt a good basis for making policy
16:34 < splicer> and artists releasing books and albums on torrents for free... with a note: "If you like this, pay me something"
16:35 < splicer> you would think that intellectual property rights in their current form were given by god sometimes.
16:36 < splicer> some people think the world would stop revolving without them
16:36 < fenn> yeah, and it might all work (be a zero sum game) if we didnt have to pay huge amounts for rent, military, interest on loans, etc
16:37 < fenn> i mean you can't "make a living" on donations in this world because of the mundane gross injustices occuring daily
16:37 < fenn> but those aren't newsworthy because they're "normal"
16:37 < fenn> killing millions of brown people is "normal"
16:38  * fenn prematurely invokes godwin's law in order to get back to his book
16:39 < splicer> but if a way to make money is being killed by a technological advance... the only way to keep doing things old way of doing things is by creating an artificial lack.
16:40 < splicer> wow.. I really write like shit
16:40 < fenn> yeah yeah.. post-scarcity tools in scarcity occupied minds.. you should sign up to openmanufacturing
16:42 < splicer> I kind of have this biopunk philosophy idea brewing in my mind... I should spend time on that
16:43 < splicer> hacker culture meets biology
16:45 < splicer> some idiot legally changed the name of the head of "The Anti Piracy Buereau" last week.
16:45 < splicer> They changed his name from Henrik Pontén to Pirate Pontén
16:46 < splicer> It's a little bit fucked up but a lot of funny.
16:46 < fenn> they hacked some official database?
16:46 < splicer> Someone just applied for the name change in his name.
16:48 < splicer> It probably cost votes now... but is really is kind of funny... in a hacker humor kind of way.
16:48 < fenn> too clever
16:48 < splicer> the world is there for us to hack ; )
16:49 < splicer> well.. no animals were harmed
16:51 < fenn> systematic affrontation of human dignity
16:54 < splicer> he is the arch enemy... but the pirate community also have a respect for him cause he gets a lot of shit and it just makes him more angry and determined... Even the pirate bay people have publicly said they like him... there is a weird dynamic.
16:55 < fenn> sounds like quite a tool
16:58 < splicer> He is a strange guy. He's done things like pay a guy to plant copyrighted movies on a server and call the cops, and break into a ftp server to collect evidence... he is... special. So he gets a lot of shit.
16:59 < fenn> someone should make a movie about it
17:10 < splicer> there is at leas one guy making a documentary about the movement
17:12 < splicer> he showed a preview of it to some selected people around pirate bay... and one of them recoded it with a hidden cam and released it
17:12 < splicer> hehe
17:12 < splicer> the pirate bay verdict itself leaked the day before it was official
17:13 < splicer> bit of a scandal ; )
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17:55 < kanzure> ugh
17:55 < kanzure> got an email from a guy I once lived with
17:55 < kanzure> he thinks I'm making superviruses for diybio
18:07 < kanzure> well, he's not making accusations
18:07 < kanzure> but he's making a "business plan" for the singularity institute related to biohacking
18:07 < kanzure> I don't know why he thinks they will listen
18:07 < kanzure> that doesn't sound reasonable at all
19:10 < kanzure> "Piezoelectric properties of dermis can be ascribed to its collagen structural network, while the piezoelectric properties of epidermis appear to originate from partially oriented ¿-helical keratin-like tonofibrils. The highest piezoelectric coefficients have been found in horny layer samples"
19:52 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Piezoelectric%20properties%of%20dry%20human%20skin.pdf re: keratin.
20:07 < kanzure> #reprap going on again about self-replicating nanobots (ralith mainly)
20:08 < kanzure> ##electronics asking for an 18-axis cnc machine. (SpeedEvil mainly). but he didn't say I could play with it if I made it for him, so fooey.
20:08 < kanzure> and in omgwallhack's channel, had a nice long chat with steve. mainly trying to convince him to think in terms of dependencies, not in terms of coefficients.
20:45 < kanzure> thank you for welcoming me to planet earth.
20:45 < kanzure> I require a substantial mass removal device over seven domains of motion stradians in less than 20 g of mass with full motion stability.
20:45 < kanzure> er
20:46 < kanzure> trying to figure out how an alien would specify some weird device that happens to be an obvious machining tool that works across different chemical element domains or something
20:46 < kanzure> for a dependency tree that he knows but that isn't on planet earth or it might be but nobody has really realized it
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20:51 < genehacker> so have we made any progress on the galaxy domination front?
20:54 < genehacker> I figured out how to make flying supersoldiers of doom
20:55 < katsmeow-afk> i figured how to combine "texas tower" construction with floating stable otec, to save weight and money
20:57 < genehacker> ???
20:57 < genehacker> what is texas tower construction?
20:57 < genehacker> kanzure?
21:00 < katsmeow-afk> oh
21:00 < kanzure> hi
21:00 < kanzure> Due to my background in MHD, interest in electromechanical systems, and familiarity with bond graphs, I have become involved in an effort to develop extended bond graphs (EBG) for electromagnetic and electromechanical systems. In this endeavor, I have co-supervised a Ph.D. student to develop extended bond graphs for electromagnetic and electromechanical continua. This work was further extended to consider piezoelectric, thermopiezoelectric, and magnetostrictive materials.
21:00 < genehacker> I live in texas, how do I not know about this
21:00 < katsmeow-afk> post ww2, the usa gov put up some towers off NY and Boston, in shallows
21:00 < kanzure> genehacker: have you gone through a class on bond graphs yet
21:00 < genehacker> you've done work on MHD?
21:00 < katsmeow-afk> the towers were made in Texas, and for the most part barely survived being towed up north
21:00 < kanzure> that was a quote, genehacker 
21:00 < genehacker> oh
21:00 < kanzure> but without quotation marks
21:01 < genehacker> that sort of texas tower?
21:01 < genehacker> oh
21:01 < kanzure> no, I have not done work on magnetohydrodynamics
21:01 < genehacker> damn it
21:01 < katsmeow-afk> 30 to 70 men (no women) worked on radar equipment as an early warning system, till it was decided to use subs and aircraft
21:01 < genehacker> those are cool
21:02 < katsmeow-afk> all but one tower was destroyed in assorted storms, mostly due to leg vibration or the sand eroding from under the legs
21:02 < genehacker> anyway Kanzure I'd like a 1 million amp power source or a 100 million volt power source
21:02 < katsmeow-afk> there's prolly an article on wikipedia
21:02 < kanzure> F.-S. Lee, T.J. Moon and G.Y. Masada, "Extended Bond Graph Reticulation of Piezoelectric Continua," ASME Journal of Dynamic Systems, Measurement and Control, Vol. 117, No. 1, pp. 1-7, 1995.
21:02 < kanzure> F.-S. Lee, T.J. Moon and G.Y. Masada, "Modeling of Distributed Electromechanical Continua Using Extended Bond Graphs," Journal of the Franklin Institute, Vol. 331B, No. 1, pp. 43-60, 1994.
21:02 < kanzure> F.-S. Lee, T.J. Moon and G.Y. Masada, "Extended Bond Graph Reticulation of Magnetostrictive Continua," Journal of Applied Physics, Vol. 75, No. 9, pp. 4621-4627, 1994.
21:02 < kanzure> F.-S. Lee, T.J. Moon and G.Y. Masada, "Representation of Electromagnetic Fields Using Extended Bond Graphs," Journal of Applied Physics, in review.
21:02 < kanzure> F.-S. Lee, T.J. Moon and G.Y. Masada, "Extended Bond Graph Reticulation of Thermopiezoelectric Continua," ASME Journal of Dynamic Systems, Measurement and Control, in review.
21:02 < kanzure> blah. 
21:02 < kanzure> sorry for the killpaste
21:02 < genehacker> http://www.thetexastowers.com/
21:03 < genehacker> I was thinking some sort of weird molten metal MHD thing might do the trick
21:03 < genehacker> kanzure: check this out
21:03 < katsmeow-afk> anyhow, spar construction as a means to not be bounced around doesn't appeal to me for so many reasons
21:03 < kanzure> genehacker: do you know any upper-level ME students that could help me with bondgraphs or linear graphs
21:04 < genehacker> http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0703013
21:04 < genehacker> no
21:04 < genehacker> I don't
21:04 < kanzure> wtf am I paying you for anyway
21:04 < genehacker> paying me?
21:05 < genehacker> I haven't got a check yet
21:05 < kanzure> it's in the mail
21:05 < kanzure> https://www.me.utexas.edu/~longoria/paynter/hmp/Bondgraphs.html
21:05 < genehacker> hmmm... I could ask my roommate for next semester
21:05 < genehacker> that link I gave you is related to electromechanics
21:05 < genehacker> and our transgalatic domination plans
21:06 < genehacker> anyway I probably better get offline before I get malaria
21:06 < kanzure> malaria is for slackers
21:06 < genehacker> I'm sitting outside
21:06 < genehacker> malaria also makes you more of a slacker
21:07 < genehacker> so anymore things we need to discuss?
21:08 < kanzure> not really
21:09 < katsmeow-afk> decomposition temperature of propane
21:09 < genehacker> I don't know anyone who knows bond graphs
21:09 < genehacker> what do you mean by decomposition temperature?
21:09 < katsmeow-afk> why does no one hold it at 500F, does it break down to other chemicals?
21:10 < genehacker> ignition or breakdown into hydrogen and carbon type?
21:10 < katsmeow-afk> breakdown
21:10 < genehacker> probably worries about ignition and breakdown
21:10 < katsmeow-afk> it needs an oxidiser to ignite, afaik
21:10 < genehacker> why do you ask?
21:11 < katsmeow-afk> because i wanna know the problems in doing so
21:11 < katsmeow-afk> before i do it
21:11 < katsmeow-afk> if i put propane into the black box and other stuff i don't need comes out, then i am wasting propane
21:11 < genehacker> why would you want to store propane at 500 f?
21:12 < katsmeow-afk> temporarily store: 10 sec, to travel the length of a pipe, and to perform work at that other end
21:13 < katsmeow-afk> i *want* to use it at a lower temperature, but if i can get it to a higher temp for free, i may do so, if it isn't dangerous
21:13 < katsmeow-afk> are there other conditions i must satisfy to get this data from you?
21:14 < genehacker> well if it's in some sort of container you have to take into account specific
21:14 < genehacker> mosquitoes are getting bad
21:14 < genehacker> I have no idea
21:14 < katsmeow-afk> that wold have saved a lot of typing
21:15 < genehacker> google isn't giving me answers
21:15 < katsmeow-afk> me either, hence i asked in here
21:23 < kanzure> heh the XML file I made for campbell is already indexed on google. 
21:26 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~longoria/me383Q/syllabus383Q1.html
21:26 < kanzure> bah this is a graduate course
21:26 < kanzure> bleh
21:26 < kanzure> J.J. Beaman and H.M. Paynter, Modeling of Physical Systems,
21:27 < kanzure> Brown, F.T., Engineering System Dynamics, Marcel-Dekker, 2001.
21:27 < kanzure> D. Karnopp, D. Margolis & R. Rosenberg, System Dynamics: A Unified Approach, Wiley-Interscience, 2nd or 3rd edition.
21:27 < kanzure> Ogata, K., System Dynamics, Prentice-Hall, New York (any of 3 editions).
21:27 < kanzure> Close, C.M., D.K. Frederick, and J.C. Newell, Modeling and Analysis of Dynamic Systems, John Wiley and Sons, 2002 (3rd edition).
21:28 < kanzure> hrm. so this is what "mechatronics" really is about.
21:29 < kanzure> why is there no explanation available anywhere
21:43 < kanzure> "graphical power topology language"
21:49 -!- genehacker [n=chatzill@w-mob400-128-62-218-20.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:06 < kanzure> wget -nH can be nice.
22:10 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/bondgraphs/mit2141/
22:17 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Modeling-Analysis-Dynamic-Systems-Charles/dp/0471394424
22:19 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Advances-Computational-Multibody-Systems-Sciences/dp/1402033923/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244431003&sr=1-1
22:41 < kanzure> "It would demonstrate how clever I was, but I don't think it would help you very much."
22:42 < kanzure> "If you didn't follow that, this is just going to be a magic trick and you'll end up with a bunny rabbit at the end."
22:42 < kanzure> "You're just a funny-looking wire to ground"
22:42 < kanzure> "Come back on Monday and tell me you understand."
22:50 < kanzure> http://mec21.etsii.upm.es/mbs/bookPDFs/bookGjB.htm
22:59 < kanzure> http://www.bondgraph.info/software.html
23:01 < kanzure> maybe I've been ignoring modelica for too long
23:04 < kanzure> http://www.modelica.org/libraries
23:17 < kanzure> "Across variables around a node assume the same value, whereas through variables into a node add up to zero."
23:41 < katsmeow-afk>  i wonder what happens as the puter hits 2.999 gb of swap space,, or do i have until 3.999GB ?