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07:32 < kanzure> reverse outsourcing: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1276705&cid=28417591
07:35 < genehacker> huh?
07:36 < genehacker> I can't wait till we start robosourcing or space sourcing
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11:40 < kanzure> fenn: in the case of sinusoidal alternating current going through an inductor, there's this variable Ip which represents the amplitude of the current (current is in units of amperes)
11:40 < kanzure> so .. is an "ampere" unit supposed to have a variable attribute called "amplitude" ?
11:40 < kanzure> amps.amplitude ?
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11:45 < kanzure> er, where does this come from?
11:45 < kanzure> http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/i/SubwayDiagram.gif
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12:42 < ybit> kanzure: aren't you a little afraid someone is going to take legal action against adl.serveftp.org?
12:42 < ybit> perhaps an anonymous p2p solution would be better? slower but reduces the chances of prosecution
12:43 < kanzure> uh? no?
12:43 < kanzure> why would they take legal action?
12:44 < ybit> because of copyright
12:45 < ybit> though i suppose maybe something like what the music blogs are doing would work: a little notice saying we will take down the papers if asked by the publisher, and then just put it on an anonymous p2p server...?...
12:45 < kanzure> music blogs?
12:46 < kanzure> maybe.
12:47 < ybit> most researchers don't mind though, it's the journals which i'm slightly concerned about
12:47 < ybit> s/journals/publishers
12:48 < kanzure> if you want to draft a page that says so, go ahead
12:54 < ybit> These papers are here for purely academic purposes. If you are a representative
12:54 < ybit> is that fine?
12:54 < ybit> of a Publisher, and would like to have a paper removed, please contact kanzure@gmail.com
12:55 < kanzure> ok
12:55 < ybit> okay, it's there
12:55 < kanzure>  where?
12:55 < ybit> papers dir
12:55 < kanzure> what is the file name?
12:56 < ybit> first paper to appear
12:56 < kanzure> er, what?
12:56 < ybit> 1- A Notice to Publishers
12:56 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/1-%20A%20Notice%20to%20Publishers.txt
12:56 < kanzure> ok
12:57 < kanzure> woah, wtf are those .com files doing there
12:57 < kanzure> fixed
13:07 < genehacker> you could just use the classic, "I thought no one else could see this, it must've been hackers" defense
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14:01 < xp_prg> way to go Bryan, this guy is so exposed
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14:43 < ybit> http://diybio4beginners.blogspot.com/2009/06/nycs-diy-bio-group-insert-green.html :: Sunday, June 21, 2009
14:43 < ybit> "NYC's DIY BIO GROUP Insert Green Flourescent Protein Genes into DNA"
14:43 < ybit> Tuesday, June 16, 2009
14:43 < ybit> NPR TODAY RADIO: Kay Aull discussing her home DNA Lab for genotyping her HFE gene 
14:43 < ybit> Tuesday, June 16, 2009
14:43 < ybit> http://diybio4beginners.blogspot.com/2009/06/npr-today-radio-kay-aull-discussing-her.html
14:47 < kanzure> hello
14:47 < kanzure> xp_prg: what?
14:47 < kanzure> xp_prg: my point wasn't to expose him
14:47 < kanzure>  xp_prg just wanted him to be honest
14:53 < xp_prg> you exposed him as being dishonest, thanks
14:56 < drazak_> anyone with half a brain can genotype a gene with half the equipment she has, you need a primer or two, and then you do pcr by hand, need a restriction enzyme, badabing badaboom, compare it to the expected results for the normal gene with the same DNA ladder
15:00 < genehacker> heh one of the reasons I want to build a DNA chip synthesizer is so I can test for a whole bunch of sequences
15:08 < kanzure> drazak_: you should psot that
15:08 < kanzure> seriously though. you guys need to back up some of the good ideas in here from time to time :)
15:08 < kanzure> otherwise they'll all think I'm just crazy or something
15:16 < drazak_> that, and you can do gel electrophoresis with half the shit the OPENBOX shit has
15:16 < drazak_> heck, I could do it with shit from my kitchen, and a hot glue gun
15:16 < kanzure> hot glue gun electrophoresis?
15:17 < drazak_> 12V battery, copper wire, deep large tupperware, shallow tupperware that fits inside, hotglue it inside, pour gel, add buffer, hook up battery
15:18 < kanzure> ah, well, do you have gel in your kitchen?
15:18 < kanzure> drazak_: you should post .
15:18 < drazak_> well, all I'm saying is, they're making shit too fancy, you can do it pretty easy with stuff from your kitchen
15:18 < drazak_> you could probably use food grade agarose, if you properly remove the insoluble solids
15:20 < drazak_> kanzure: I'm lazy
15:21 < drazak_> the main insoluble solids you have to worry about are big enough to be caught by filter paper, but that's a whole nother mess
15:30 < kanzure> you're all lazy :p
15:30 < kanzure> bah
15:30  * kanzure writes some code for a super star destroyer and yells at some kids to get off his laqwn
15:30 < kanzure> *lawn
15:40 < drazak_> I might starts doing some posts on doing shit at home without buying expensive shit
15:40 < genehacker> cool
15:40 < genehacker> diybio sorta sucks right now
15:40 < drazak_> yeah, I noticed
15:40 < drazak_> I don't read half the emails anymore, cause they're pointless
15:40 < genehacker> compared to underground chemistry at least
15:41 < drazak_> ooh
15:41 < drazak_> where's that one?
15:42 < genehacker> the first rule of underground chemistry is do not talk about underground chemistry
15:42 < drazak_> rofl
15:42 < genehacker> especially not roguesci
15:42 < genehacker> NEVER EVER GO TO ROGUESCI
15:42 < genehacker> go to sciencemadness instead
15:43 < genehacker> the people in roguesci have been exposed to  a bit too much mercury
15:43 < drazak_> rofl
15:43 < drazak_> have you seen the Hg beating heart?
15:43 < genehacker> no really I'm serious
15:43 < drazak_> HgSO4+Fe=BEATING HEART, MAN
15:43 < digitaltao> o_O mad alchemists 
15:44 < kanzure> oh, it's just roguesci
15:44 < kanzure> rougesci has been around forever
15:45 < drazak_> I should start commenting on the safety of all of this stuff
15:45 < drazak_> "yeah, you're going to blow yourself up, that's what blows up meth labs using the red-white-blue method"
15:45 < kanzure> or lack thereof
15:45 < kanzure> haeh
15:45 < kanzure> blah. don't listen to me and my typos.
15:45 < drazak_> ap chemistry was funny this year
15:46 < drazak_> everyone thought I was making shit up
15:47 < drazak_> the teacher professor dude was talking about HNO3 being a strong oxidizer, and I mentioned that it's what blows up meth labs, and nobody believed me, and then I started talking about meth labs and their assosciated chemical processies for 10 minutes
15:47 < digitaltao> remember kids, dont buy large boxes of matches, buy the bulk small..... the striker pads are what you are after
15:47 < drazak_> I has swedish fire steel
15:47 < drazak_> I light bunsen burners with it :D
15:48 < digitaltao> ahhh, those are fun to play with
15:48 < genehacker> kanzure have you been to roguesci as of recently?
15:48 < drazak_> digitaltao: I know, I strike it everywhere, and people yell at me
15:48 < drazak_> and I'm like
15:49 < drazak_> yeah, the distance between it and the floor is great enough that it won't ignite the carpet
15:49  * drazak_ cringes
15:52 < kanzure> genehacker: no
15:52 < kanzure> genehacker: it has been more than a year
15:54 < genehacker> some of the recent post include, "hey guys I think we could totally destroy the ecosystem with these chemicals" and "hey guys lets go sterilize half the population"
15:57 < genehacker> I kid you not
15:58 < genehacker> that's why I don't go to roguesci
16:00 < drazak_> this just screams dangerous
16:00 < genehacker> dangerous?
16:00 < drazak_> h2so4 lead chamber process
16:00 < digitaltao> -made a vacuum coffee apparatus today... YAY
16:02 < drazak_> yes dangerous
16:03 < genehacker> drazak know anyway I could make precursors for precursors for precursors to photolabile phosphoramidites
16:03 < drazak_> lol
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16:03 < digitaltao> heh
16:03 < drazak_> and you're using KNO3 which isn't exactly safe
16:03 < drazak_> not that it's exactly dangerous
16:03 < genehacker> or just photolabile phosophoramidites without having to result to using sigma aldrich
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16:09 < genehacker> could you figure out how to make NPPOC-D-adenosine (N6-
16:09 < genehacker> tac) 
-cyanoethylphosphoramidite from scratch if I gave you information on how to make it from precursors?
16:09 < drazak_> and you'd be exchanging some HSO4- and SO42- ions
16:09 < drazak_> can you give me the CAS number?
16:10 < drazak_> easier to look it up from CAS number, because naming conventions are wonky with shit like that
16:13 < genehacker> what's a CAS number?
16:13 < drazak_> all molecules have a CAS number
16:13 < drazak_> http://www.commonchemistry.org/ChemicalDetail.aspx?ref=50-78-2&terms=aspirin
16:13 < genehacker> are you sure?
16:13 < drazak_> yeah
16:13 < drazak_> well, all well known molecules
16:13 < genehacker> this isn't a well know molecule
16:14 < drazak_> oh :P
16:14 < drazak_> do you know the structure of it?
16:14 < drazak_> cause I sure am brainfarting on it
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16:34 < drazak_> genehacker: hm
16:34 < drazak_> that's a toughy
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17:54 < kanzure> lag: 141 (??)
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17:58 < drazak_> kanzure: phail
17:58 < genehacker> in a pail?
17:59 < drazak_> aye
17:59 < genehacker> what'd I miss?
17:59 < drazak_> nothing
17:59 < genehacker> ok
18:03 < kanzure> http://www.opencircuits.com/SFE_Footprint_Library_Eagle
18:04 < kanzure> sparkfun eagle library of their components
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19:22 < kanzure> Deby L. Cassill, Skye Brown, Devon Swick and George Yanev. Polyphasic
19:22 < kanzure> Wake/Sleep Episodes in the Fire Ant, Solenopsis Invicta. Journal of Insect
19:22 < kanzure> Behavior, 2009, Volume 22, Number 4: 313-323.
19:41 < kanzure> http://fritzing.org/learning/tutorials/creating-custom-parts/
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19:43 < kanzure> http://fritzing.org/learning/tutorials/creating-custom-parts/parts-editor/
20:27 < fenn> "major tom" by peter schilling
20:42 < kanzure> your other music sucked
20:45 < fenn> racist!
20:48 < kanzure> todo: build giant borg cube vessel
20:55 < kanzure> somebody from diybio emailed me off-list from diybio
20:55 < kanzure> and he thought that I was "in charge" of diybio
20:55 < kanzure> :-/
21:09 < kanzure> No machine can do my job as resentfully as I can. http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/no_machine_can_do_my_job_as?utm_source=b-section
21:11 < kanzure> fenn: http://192.168.1.104/~bbishop/docs/miserably.txt
21:46 < ybit> "Thank you for visiting our website. I have attached our datasheet and some background info on the mySEM.  Price starts at ~$100K depending on options."
21:46 < ybit> wowzers
21:49 < ybit> knock off two zeros and i might be interested
21:49 < ybit> has anyone found an SEM for 1-10k?
21:50 < ybit> mySEM looks wonderful, minus the pricetag
21:50 < ybit> and the dependency on windows
21:51 < ybit> it came out of a darpa fund to create a low-cost sem machine
21:54 < kanzure> mySEM?
21:54 < kanzure> I have not seen a cheap SEM being sold
21:54 < kanzure> however I really do recommend the AFM project at least
21:54 < kanzure> with the CAD models
21:55 < ybit> the afm project is just the tip though, correct?
21:55 < ybit> couple it with the "full control of ultrasonic motor with microcontroller" paper and you might be able to create one though
21:57 < kanzure> ybit: no
21:57 < ybit> go on..
21:57 < kanzure> ybit: it included the CAD models for various plastic brick thingies
21:57 < ybit> link please?
21:57 < kanzure> as well as a parts list and links to where to order the parts
21:57 < kanzure> er
21:57 < kanzure> it's in the diybio archives for now
21:57 < ybit> maybe we are thinking of diff. papers
21:57 < ybit> hmm..
21:57 < kanzure> there was also a paper with it called "print your AFM"
22:01 < ybit> kanzure: i don't have afm.zip
22:01 < ybit> oh wait.. 
22:03 < ybit> right, don't have it. probably not linked from anywhere on heybryan
22:04 < ybit> so anyway, this is what i had looked at
22:04 < ybit> http://web.archive.org/web/20080106164837/http://www.biophysik.physik.uni-muenchen.de/PlasticAFM/
22:05 < ybit> what you had linked to
22:05 < ybit> "How to build a Plastic-AFM head"
22:06 < ybit> just saw the title and ignored the rest, seems there's more info then the title suggests
22:23 < ybit> btw, thanks fenn for pointing out the misspelled ssh address
22:24 < ybit> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/POSaM_a_fast_flexible_open-source_inkjet_oligonucleotide_synthesizer_and_microarrayer.pdf
22:26 < fenn> yoi
22:27 < fenn> i dont get what's so impressive about printing plastic to hold all the interesting tech bits
22:28 < ybit> kanzure: mind putting afm.zip on adl.serveftp?
22:29 < fenn> he's asleep
22:29 < fenn> and the connection here is fubared
23:38  * ybit doesn't know enough about SEM to know, but it just seems that you could use a cathode ray in construction of a low-cost SEM
23:38 < ybit> you're just beaming focused electrons at something and measuring which ones bounce back or go through the surface