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00:48 < fenn> why do people have to make up all these silly new words
00:48 < any11516546> to be the only one who knows of what they speak
00:49 < fenn> this is just basic pulse density modulation: http://www.bionet.ee.columbia.edu/code/intro/introduction.html
00:49 < fenn> but nooo they have to call it "a Time Encoding Machine"
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01:04 < kanzure> this just in: robot porn discovered etched into sides of cave walls from a bajillion years ago.
01:06 < kanzure> Parijata:  lisp might be my favorite language
01:06 < kanzure> oh no
01:08  * ybit wonders if it was the language taught to her in school
01:09 < ybit> MIT students tend to favorite LISP after being taught it in school, so i've noticed
01:09 < katsmeow-afk> ybit is a her?
01:09 < ybit> ybit: is a he
01:09 < ybit> er..
01:09 < katsmeow-afk> [01:06] * ybit wonders if it was the language taught to her in school
01:09  * ybit is a he
01:09 < ybit> was referring to parijata
01:09 < katsmeow-afk> o
01:10 < ybit> s/favorite/favor
01:10 < ybit> time for bed
01:10 < katsmeow-afk> iagree
01:10 < kanzure> http://www.cs.washington.edu/orgs/student-affairs/cseband/studio/Theory%20Girl.mp3
01:17 < QuantumG> LISP isn't a language.. languages have syntax.
01:17 < katsmeow-afk> heh
01:17 < katsmeow-afk> (((LISP) isn't) a) language).. languages have syntax.
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01:25 < QuantumG> http://io9.com/5306489/a-drug-that-could-give-you-perfect-visual-memory
01:26 < QuantumG> RGS-14 eh
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04:50 < fenn> marainein: so if your nick has nothing to do with Iain Banks, what's it about?
04:50 < marainein> hey fenn
04:50 < marainein> i think you may have asked me this question a long time ago
04:51 < fenn> yes
04:51 < marainein> it's an ancient greek word, means 'fading', but i picked it mainly because i needed a nick and i liked the sounds
04:54 < marainein> how did the project to brute force discover a self-replicating machine turn out?
04:54 < fenn> it's coming along
04:54 < fenn> i've been doing some work on representing manufacturing processes
04:55 < marainein> is there anything i can look at?
04:58 < fenn> yes, this is the current version as of today (updating is not automatic for some reason..) http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/
04:59 < marainein> i actually had in mind photos of machines...
04:59 < fenn> skdb.py and processes.yaml is most of the goods
04:59 < fenn> what would be the point of photos?
04:59 < fenn> right now there arent even any particular machines in mind
05:00 < fenn> i did make some drawings http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/
05:01 < marainein> what sort of timeline are we looking at?
05:01 < fenn> no idea
05:01 < fenn> several months
05:01 < fenn> maybe years
05:04 < fenn> i could use help entering data
05:04 < marainein> what exactly are you entering?
05:05 < fenn> so far all the data has come from this book http://books.google.com/books?id=6x1smAf_PAcC
05:08 < marainein> what does this book cover? everything to do with manufacturing?
05:08 < fenn> just processes, and a rather limited subset of that
05:09 < fenn> mostly things having to do with mechanical engineering
05:09 < fenn> so no chemical reactions besides hardening and surface finish stuff
05:09 < fenn> but there's some interest in doing biology and organic chemistry
05:11 < marainein> as part of the self replicating machine?
05:11 < fenn> maybe
05:11 < fenn> i have some ideas for a hybrid DNA/inorganic computer
05:12 < fenn> since chip fab is not simple in terms of technological infrastructure required
05:12 < marainein> true
05:13 < marainein> but there's a lot more knowledge about using silicon based IT than DNA based IT out there
05:13 < fenn> yeah it wouldnt be like what you normally hear about with "DNA computing" or "genetic circuits"
05:14 < fenn> more like plugging legos together randomly
05:15 < marainein> what are the stumbling blocks to building chips (on a small scale)?
05:15 < fenn> etching stuff you mean?
05:15 < marainein> yeah
05:16 < fenn> gotta make ultrapure silicon, dopants, mask, precision optics, high voltage electric stuff, high vacuum, and on and on
05:18 < marainein> and it's all necessary? we can't relax the standards and get chip technology that's equivalent to a few decades old but still useful?
05:18 < fenn> yep
05:18 < fenn> newer stuff is just lots harder to make
05:19 < fenn> now, you dont need IC's to make a computer
05:19 < fenn> but i start wondering about whether it's useful to have something that replicates every ten years
05:21 < marainein> *muses*
05:40 < kanzure> QuantumG: I posted a paper to diytranshumanism about how to synthesize RGS-14 (rapamycin).
06:24 < kanzure> heh I just saw an ad on tv for http://behumane.org/ as if there's a do-not-be-humane.org website out there? wtf
06:49 < drazak> isn't rapamycin an anti-biotic?
06:49 < drazak> immunosuppresant
06:50 < drazak> rapamycin is big
06:51 < drazak> and it has 14 stereocenters
06:51 < drazak> yields can't be that high
07:01 < kanzure> "Total synthesis of rapamycin"
07:02 < drazak> yeah
07:02 < drazak> and you have to purify it what
07:02 < drazak> 20 times?
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07:38 < kanzure> which reminds me, I've been meaning to come up with a list of esoteric methods of protein purification
07:38 < kanzure> SDS-PAGE and HPLC are common but not exactly easy
07:48 < kanzure> hahah. on diybio "don't worry. the government will take care of things so that people don't cause danger."
07:49 < kanzure> I'm surprised that guy is able to think without hurting myself.
07:58 < kanzure> on one episode of "The Magic School Bus", the school gets a computer, so the wheelchair-accessible kid writes a program and then gives every student a job to do: "ok, take this cord and attach it to the coffee maker. attach this one to the flag pole. attach this one to the doors. attach this one to the bell. attach this one to the speaker system." and then it all magically works and they live happily ever after.
08:15 < kanzure> "Body clock disruption brings on manic behavior" http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2007-March/000121.html
08:15 < kanzure> (paper: Mania-like behavior induced by disruption of CLOCK)
08:24 < kanzure> any ideas why this doesn't work?  scp `ls -FAt -1 --quoting-style=c | head` bryan@adl.serveftp.org:/var/www/papers/
08:24 < kanzure> scp seems to think each individual word is a filename, even though it's quoted.
08:25 < kanzure> hm. maybe I need to do: `echo `ls -FAt -1 --quoting-style=c | head``
08:26 < kanzure> of course, I should just be using rsync :p
08:36 < kanzure> Mania-like behavior induced by disruption of CLOCK
08:36 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Mania-like%20behavior%20induced%20by%20disruption%20of%20CLOCK.pdf
09:03 < kanzure> wrote an email about some paper-reading-sharing-software I would like to eventually write: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_frm/thread/b5b72c9c7a2a81a6
09:06 < ybit> http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/scribo-getting-natural-language-into-the-mix/
09:07 < ybit> http://www.scribo.ws/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome :: "SCRIBO - Semi-automatic and Collaborative Retrieval of Information Based on Ontologies - aims at algorithms and collaborative free software for the automatic extraction of knowledge from texts and images, and for the semi-automatic annotation of digital documents."
09:08 < kanzure> is it a wiki module?
09:15 < ybit> no, it's more for semantic desktop work being done
09:16 < ybit> it's what sebastian does. 
09:16 < ybit> kanzure: /me was reading your autoscholar email
09:16 < ybit> among others
09:17 < ybit> science can be art, but can be science?
09:17 < ybit> but can art be science*
09:23 < kanzure> why are you asking that?
09:23 < kanzure> er, does that have something to do with my email?
09:27 < kanzure> ybit: just wrote another email about a way for me to keep track of everyone via an email system.
09:28 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/browse_frm/thread/da6ee0594580dc1f
09:28 < kanzure> already talked about that in here, just posting it there for prosperity's sake.
09:34 < kanzure> "- the home versioning idea is indeed a good one. it somehow reminds me of the wanna-be TimeMachine of Leopard, except that you have total control over it. with my hierarchy, I rarely have a need to 'go back': what doesn't belong to the tree is outdated, and gets moved in a 'archives' accumulating directory. now that I think of it, this 'archives' dir is just like the .git dir, except it's manually managed. also I was thinking of having the home files hardlinked into archives (on a 'commit'), so that I can just delete a file and it would still be on 'archives', while not taking anymore place when not yet deleted. I'll have to think of it and read those articles above. "
09:35 < kanzure> ( from http://heybryan.org/folders.html )
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09:55 < ybit> kanzure: re:email overload
09:55 < ybit> i went from 14k unread email messages to 0 unread..in my inbox
09:56 < ybit> i have unread mail, but, the numbers escape me because i have filters and labels setup in gmail
09:56 < ybit> i know i should be using a better email client, but the point is filters and labels
09:57 < ybit> 14k to 0 in about 8 hours, took me awhile to sort through all my email subscriptions and personal contacts
09:57 < ybit> and had some interesting reminders from emails i had forgotten about
09:58 < kanzure> asking Jef about his knowledge of nodal analysis. he claims he's working on that right now. "Ecologies are nodal.  Inteliigence within ecologies is hierarchical to the extent that it is asapted to changing environment."
09:58 < ybit> there were so many emails too that i had skipped over, my uni. was going to do some type of student spotlight on me in the Fall but i completely missed it, emails from professors,etc.
09:58 < kanzure> ybit: all of those unread emails are purposefully unread, actually. I'm fairly good at actually reading emails that I need to read or am interested in reading.
10:06 < ybit> kanzure: how did you hear of emacs org-mode
10:06 < ybit> i like it
10:07 < kanzure> alec resnick
10:09 < kanzure> http://evodevouniverse.com/wiki/Bibliography
10:30 < ybit> fenn: where is http://fennetic.net/sleep/ ?
10:31 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org:8080/sleep/
10:41 < ybit> is there a key to identify the colors?
10:47 < kanzure> no
10:48 < kanzure> one is programming, another is sleep, another is random internet activity
10:48 < kanzure> another is domestics
10:48 < kanzure> I think you might be able to figure out which is which just by looking at it, but he really should have a key somewhere
10:49  * kanzure decides to upgrade django via "svn co http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/"
10:55 < kanzure> huh, that didn't help
11:00 < kanzure> what is the name of the isolation chamber that some people like to use as a place to think? not a hyperbaric chamber, but something else
11:00 < kanzure> (was just wondering if in a sufficiently dark room whether or not the infrared fluorescent proteins (being used as voltage sensors in the brain) could be detected by human sight in a sufficiently dark chamber, and given infrared filters
11:01 < kanzure> )
11:11 < kanzure> aha
11:11 < kanzure> http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/3051
11:11 < kanzure> bastards. that should have been in the documentation.
11:19 < splicer> isn't it just called flotation tank?
11:19 < kanzure> oh
11:19 < kanzure> "isolation tank"
11:19 < kanzure> thanks
11:19 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_tank
11:20 < splicer> "sensory deprivation tank"
11:22 < splicer> for some reason the center for disease control here have renamed swineflu to "The new flu".
11:22 < kanzure> "The physicist Richard Feynman's experiences in a sensory deprivation tank were documented in the popular book Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!. Feynman was invited to try the isolation tank at John Lilly's home after Lilly attended one of Feynman's popular lectures on quantum mechanics. "
11:36 < ybit> argh, autolog off
11:39 < kanzure> c.get("/").context[0].dicts[0].keys().__contains__("folders_for_index") #gah. how unpythonic.
11:39 < kanzure> er, I mean
11:39 < kanzure> django.test.client.Client().get("/").context[0].dicts[0].keys().__contains__("folders_for_index") #gah. how unpythonic.
11:44 < kanzure> django.test.client.Client().get("/").context[0].dicts[0]["folders_for_index"][0]["name"]
11:44  * kanzure cries
12:12 < kanzure> hm. so type(pydjangitwiki.wiki.views.index(django.http.HttpRequest(),"/")) == type(django.test.client.Client().get("/")) but only hasattr(object,"context") is true for the second one and not the first. I need it to be true for the first..
13:14 < ybit> the taxonomy image is much easier to read now
13:15 < ybit> very nice too
13:17 < ybit> something that should be on the science channel screensaver :)
13:21 < ybit> what does the 'bcm' stand for in bcm theory? 
13:22 < ybit> brain connectivity model...
13:22 < ybit> i dunno
13:22 < kanzure> what is bcm?
13:22 < ybit> body cell mass
13:22 < kanzure> no, what is bcm theory?
13:22 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCM_theory
13:24 < kanzure> how do they know that LTP and LTD has not been observed in all cortical systems
13:24 < kanzure> *have not
13:24 < ybit> http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=VNetYrB8EBoC
13:37 < kanzure> might be the fix: http://www.stonemind.net/blog/2007/01/12/small-django-tips-from-one-newbie-to-another/
13:52 < kanzure> oh well. note to self: manually edit settings.py to change the repo dir back to something more sane.
14:02 < kanzure> hm git-python wants to only create bare repositories
14:02 < kanzure> that's kind of annoying
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14:33 < kanzure> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1299495&cid=28660191 how we lost two chromosomes
14:36 < ybit> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=pcr-at-home
14:37 < ybit> wow, i'm slightly behind
14:37 < kanzure> ybit: you should be focusing on "how the fuck to purify Taq polymerase at home"
14:37 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Low%20cost%20approach%20to%20PCR%20-%202007.pdf
14:37 < kanzure> yeah :)
14:38 < ybit> kanzure: i will when i get there
14:38 < kanzure> what?
14:38 < kanzure> PCR requires polymerase
14:39 < ybit> yeah, but i'm not quite there yet
14:45 < kanzure> tubular protein precipitation reactors look interesting
14:46 < kanzure> no moving parts :)
14:47 < kanzure> except the liquids
14:58 < kanzure> FAQ on diy protein skimmers: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/DIYskimrfaqs.htm
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16:17 < kanzure> http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~guting/CHROM/ chromatography simulator
17:00 < kanzure> http://www.discoveriesinmedicine.com/Bar-Cod/Chromatography.html
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17:12 < kanzure> is there a way to recover materials from thin-layer chromatography?
17:13 < kanzure> direct elution maybe?
17:13 < kanzure> "Vacuum distillation for the recovery of samples following thin-layer chromatography"
17:13 < kanzure> maybe some acetone or something
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17:25 < genehacker> for the DNA synth I presume
17:25 < genehacker> I found a way to make THF
17:26 < genehacker> with help from the dark side
17:29 < kanzure> I wonder if a wax chromatography packing material makes any sense. you can make tiny wax beads by dripping hot wax into icy cold water. then you pack a column of it. and run your proteins through it.
17:36 < kanzure> does anyone remember the paper about using bladders and mammary glands as bioreactors?
17:36 < kanzure> i want to make taq titties
17:36 < kanzure> for the love of the internet, this must happen
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18:09 < genehacker> I loled
18:10 < genehacker> oh still on the taq thing
18:10 < genehacker> drazak said it'd be hard
18:10 < genehacker> you need a temperature controlled bioreactor
18:13 < genehacker> drazak thinks that this would be hard
18:13 < genehacker> because of the seals and all
18:14 < kanzure> taq polymerase can be engineered to be even more thermostable 
18:15 < kanzure> by slowly expanding its effective range
18:15 < genehacker> why only taq?
18:15 < genehacker> there are plenty of other polymerases out there
18:15 < genehacker> taq is obsolete I think
18:18 < genehacker> btw could you use chromatography to make really pure THF and phosgene?
18:20 < genehacker> btw you can get THF from PVC pipe cement
18:29 < drazak> genehacker: taq is generally what's used in pcr
18:29 < drazak> maybe I'm nuts, I just think it's harder than it sounds
18:30 < genehacker> things are always harder than they sound and that's a rule
18:30 < kanzure> you can do selection experiments on taq polymerase processing its own dna
18:30 < kanzure> and you vary the temperatures just a little more and more
18:31 < kanzure> until you get a broader range of effective "super taq polymerase"
18:34 < drazak> maybe
18:34 < drazak> controlled evolution much?
18:54 < kanzure> directed evolution, you mean?
18:54 < kanzure> in vitro compartmentalization?
18:55 < kanzure> genehacker: I've been thinking of a lazy susan for a liquid chromatograph apparatus
18:56 < kanzure> http://www.amishshowroom.com/images/4735%20Octagon%20Lazy%20Susan.jpg
18:56 < kanzure> lazy susan bearing: http://woodzone.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Lazy_susan_lg.jpg
19:11 < kanzure> "Words are not the natural language of engineers. Drawings are their prose, mathematics their grammar and differential equations their poetry. " - Glegg
19:11 < kanzure> bah
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19:42 < kanzure> so this order works: mkdir tmpdir; cd tmpdir; git init; cd ..; git clone --bare tmpdir/ bare/; but doing a bare repo first doesn't? is that how it is supposed to be?
19:44 < drazak> yes
19:45 < drazak> git is broken
19:45 < drazak> use mercurial
19:45 < kanzure> how is git broken?
20:33 < kanzure> hey alx1 
20:39 < fenn> "what is the name of the isolation chamber..." sensory deprivation tank?
20:39 < fenn> oh /me continues reading the log
20:39 < kanzure> sorry fenn, splicer won that round
20:43 < fenn> tit for taq
20:52 < kanzure> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1299495&cid=28660191
21:02 < alx1> kanzure, hiya
21:11 < kanzure> what's up alx1?
21:18 < fenn> anyone know what percentage of christians believe in creationism?
21:18 < kanzure> GitCommandError: "['git', 'clone', '--bare', '/tmp/tmprepo/', '/tmp/bare-repo/'] returned exit status 128"
21:18 < kanzure> and /tmp/tmprepo/ does indeed exist
21:19 < kanzure> do I have to do an update-server-info before creating a bare repository?
21:19 < fenn> maybe /tmp/bare-repo shouldnt exist
21:19 < kanzure> doing that on the shell works fine.. just not through python
21:19 < kanzure> why shouldn't it exist?
21:19 < fenn> no, dont need update-server-info
21:19 < fenn> because git complains that there's a directory there already
21:20 < kanzure> is that what 128 means?
21:20 < fenn> numeric error codes are so 1980's
21:21 < fenn> what happens when you do the same thing from shell?
21:22 < kanzure> it works fine
21:22 < kanzure> somehow I have resolved the error
21:23 < kanzure> the commit diffs on github should have some inkling of a clue as to what I have done to fix it
21:23 < fenn> maybe
21:24 < fenn> btw how do i update git-wiki?
21:24 < kanzure> what are you asking?
21:24 < fenn> you said "repository" isnt the real thing
21:24 < kanzure> it's in /var/www/git-wiki2/ is the current installation path. 
21:24 < kanzure> IIRC, it's using /home/bryan/sandbox/ 
21:24 < fenn> ok then what, step by step 
21:25 < kanzure> log in. figure out what's in /home/bryan/sandbox/
21:25 < kanzure> choose the thing that looks like a sandbox for git-wiki
21:25 < kanzure> sarcasm~~~~~~~~~~`
21:26 < kanzure> nope, sorry
21:26 < kanzure> let me look
21:26 < kanzure> it seems to be /var/www/git-wiki2/.wiki/skdb/
21:27 < fenn> mm gotta love hidden directories
21:27 < kanzure> it's mentioned in config.yml just in case you need to go digging into there
21:27 < fenn> so if i cd /var/www/git-wiki2/.wiki/skdb/; git pull foo it should work?
21:27 < fenn> or push
21:27 < kanzure> uhm. it might pull from /home/bryan/code/skdb/ so the definition of "work" might vary.
21:28 < kanzure> there are some minor changes that I made to that skdb repo in there
21:28 < fenn> you can pull from other places easily
21:28 < kanzure> I suggest you get rid of it entirely
21:28 < fenn> hm
21:28 < kanzure> there are some changes that we do not want to commit to the main repository line
21:28 < kanzure> or that we do not want at all
21:28 < fenn> if i want to point someone to a fairly recent skdb, what should i do?
21:28 < fenn> and why isnt gitweb working?
21:28 < kanzure> do you want to possibly compromise /var/www/skdb.git/ ?
21:28 < fenn> compromise?
21:29 < kanzure> well, there were some weird things going on with git-wiki before
21:29 < kanzure> and it seemed to fuck things up
21:29 < fenn> right
21:29 < kanzure> bah, I'll do it.
21:29  * kanzure grumbles
21:29 < fenn> i dont really care if git-wiki is current, just that i know how to make it current if i feel like it
21:29 < kanzure> oh, well, in this case, I'm going to rm -f -r .wiki/skdb
21:29 < kanzure> and then git clone the bare repo
21:30 < kanzure> and after this you can just pull
21:30 < kanzure> at the moment you could pull but there would be changes that you have to merge and fix
21:31 < fenn> heh " 0% of true Christians accept the theory of evolution."
21:31 < kanzure> fenn: I would like your cat link again. 
21:31  * kanzure recently realized he didn't have autologging set to on :(
21:32 < kanzure> are you reading that stupid slashdot thread?
21:32 < fenn> cats in space http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIokQ36rbA
21:33 < fenn> no actually i was just curious about how stupid americans are vs the rest of the world
21:33 < fenn> i read this article by stephen jay gould about his interaction with the vatican, where he made the vatican seem quite reasonable
21:33 < fenn> basically they said 'we dont know nothing about this science stuff, so we leave it up to the scientists'
21:34 < fenn> something about "magisteria"
21:38 < kanzure> http://imgur.com/CQX4h.jpg
21:39  * fenn wonders how much photoshop went into that image
21:39 < kanzure> this much: |------------------|
21:41 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/camera/IMG_4056_3.JPG
21:41 < kanzure> random photo collection
21:42 < fenn> qdig plz
21:42 < fenn> http://qdig.sourceforge.net/
21:43 < kanzure> aha.
21:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/camera/IMG_7709_2.JPG
21:44 < fenn> did the cat come with a remote control or did you have to hack that in?
21:45 < kanzure> how else did I make it do freshman year for me?
22:03 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1xDy-aK75I wtf who is this guy
22:12 < ybit> emacs org-mode is amazing
22:13 < kanzure> how much of it have you eaten?
22:16 < ybit> not enough :)
22:17 < ybit> not much though, just familiarized with what can be done
22:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/art2/reaper.jpg
22:20 < ybit> everything that i've seen so far, i need. and i need to help you with autoscholar
22:21 < kanzure> oh?
22:24 < ybit> kanzure: yeah, working on my schedule right now so i can be a little more productive this week. both autoscholar and 'giant communication matrix' would be extremely helpful
22:25 < ybit> i cut some hours at work so i could get around to helping you guys out with skdb
22:25 < ybit> the cutting starts two weeks from now
22:25 < ybit> just dropping about 8-10 hours/week
22:26 < ybit> otherwise there's no way i'll be able to get around to all these projects
22:28 < fenn> why is it the parkour guys never wear shirts?
22:29 < ybit> heh :P
22:29 < ybit> to show off the guns of course
22:29 < ybit> why do they film themselves in the first place
22:29 < ybit> i can do all that and more in second life
22:29 < fenn> i can do all that and more with a giant exoskeleton
22:29 < ybit> that was my next thought
22:30 < kanzure> and where is that giant exoskeleton?
22:30 < fenn> alaska, apparently
22:30 < kanzure> no way in hell I'm flying you there
22:30 < ybit> hmm, polar bears w/ exoskeletons, that would be scary
22:30 < kanzure> CA is as far as you're getting from me
22:30 < kanzure> ybit: anything more than 500 pounds with exoskeletons would be scary
22:30 < ybit> :)
22:31 < fenn> you mean bear wrasslin?
22:31 < fenn> seen troy hurtubise's armor?
22:32 < ybit> so it's adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git right? not git-wiki2/.wiki/skdb
22:32 < kanzure> that's right
22:32 < fenn> adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git is the correct url to clone from
22:32 < kanzure>  git-wiki2/.wiki/skdb is just some bullshit
22:32 < kanzure> related to http://adl.serveftp.org:4567/
22:33 < ybit> only 2 years and 15k to design the suit, not bad
22:34 < genehacker> what?
22:34 < ybit> the helmets look reminiscent of storm troopers
22:34 < genehacker> lazy susan?
22:34 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPS2l5fQ55A
22:34 < ybit> troy hurtubise's armor ^
22:35 < genehacker> troy is a crackpot
22:35 < genehacker> 100%
22:36 < fenn> "Sugars: they're not just drugs, they're drug delivery devices."
22:36 < fenn> genehacker: fuck you
22:37 < genehacker> no really
22:37 < fenn> you come in here rambling about AB-matter and electron gas tubes, and yet troy is a crackpot?
22:37 < genehacker> look up his angel light
22:37 < fenn> even though there are videos of him getting shot point blank, run over by trucks, etc
22:37 < fenn> i dont care about angel light
22:38 < fenn> for all i know he really did discover angel light.. i mean it doesnt make any sense at all, why would anyone come up with such a crappy story?
22:38 < kanzure> not sure what point I was trying to get across here: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/fleas.PNG
22:39 < genehacker> ah who cares
22:40  * fenn mumbles something about genetically engineered deodorant
22:40 < genehacker> no cooling
22:40 < genehacker> fans but no cooling
22:42 < ybit> i just don't see it protecting the body from ieds, there are holes at the hands and neck area. maybe i watched or read enough yet, but it is neat
22:42 < genehacker> video of him getting run over by truck?
22:42 < genehacker> it's plastic too
22:43 < ybit> trojan S suit is the IED suit
22:43 < genehacker> could lead to some scary plastic stuck to skin situations
22:43  * ybit wants to see the video of the IED exploding with the S suit
22:44 < genehacker> insurgents have learned how to make shaped charges
22:44 < kanzure> woah a blast from the past
22:44 < kanzure> I just remembered this old system I was working on called GATBIMOS
22:44 < fenn> "Ursus Mark-VII eliminates the chain mail and is made from stainless steel, aluminum and cast titanium. It also features a built-in video screen, a cooling system, pressure-bearing titanium struts, protective airbags, shock absorbers, a robotic third arm, built-in regular arms and swivel shoulders. "
22:44 < kanzure> it was this shared todo list system
22:44 < kanzure> where you would be able to import other people's todo lists or something
22:44 < kanzure> so that you wouldn't have to repeat shared work
22:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/img329.jpg
22:45  * kanzure wonders when this was..
22:45 < kanzure> seems to say 2006.
22:45 < genehacker> helmet doesn't go underwater
22:45 < genehacker> how long does the cooling last?
22:46 < genehacker> is that your cat?
22:46 < genehacker> wonder how that robotic 3rd arm works
22:47 < ybit> http://www.inventortroy.com/
22:47 < genehacker> I need something like that except attached to a robot
22:48 < fenn> ffs how can this not be on youtube
22:48 < genehacker> UGH FLASH WEBSITE
22:49 < ybit> the top has links to the s suit
22:49 < ybit> with video 
22:51 < genehacker> this website sucks
22:52 < genehacker> where's video of him getting shot and run over with truck?
22:52 < ybit> i've heard 'fuck' more times in this vid more than i did in the blair witch project
22:52 < fenn> i'm looking for it
22:53 < kanzure> i have no idea what you guys are on about
22:54 < genehacker> this guy could sell slap chops
22:54 < fenn> eh i guess the videos were at http://projecttroy.com.nexx.com/website/videos.htm
22:54 < fenn> but that site is lon gone
22:54 < genehacker> I seriously doubt the whole truck thing
22:55 < genehacker> troy is also the same guy who claims to have invented a fire resistant compound made from diet coke
22:56 < genehacker> is that your cat kanzure?
22:58 < fenn> and also claims to have made his own bear mace from chili peppers
22:58 < genehacker> ok let's forget that
22:58 < genehacker> the suit can't fly
22:58 < genehacker> sauce on robot arm thing though
22:59 < genehacker> kanzure so how would your chromotography lazy susan work?
23:02 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/img329.jpg is a photograph of your notes, kanzure?
23:02 < kanzure> genehacker: chromatograph drips drops of water. lazy susan rotates and changes test tubes.
23:02 < kanzure> ybit: yeah, it's really really old
23:03 < genehacker> oh
23:03 < kanzure> I have many thousands of sheets of papers squirreled away of hand written notes from what seemed like eons trapped in high school
23:03 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/
23:03 < kanzure> ok, installed qdig
23:03 < genehacker> for liquid chromatography I see
23:03 < genehacker> makes sense
23:04 < genehacker> kanzure got a link for you
23:04 < kanzure> the first liquid chromatography setup was just chalk and some chlorophyll
23:04 < genehacker> it's in google's catch
23:04 < kanzure> cache
23:04 < genehacker> yeah I realized that
23:06 < genehacker> http://tinyurl.com/nzpzhc
23:06 < genehacker> it could be useful
23:06 < kanzure> this sucks
23:06 < kanzure> it doesn't even generate thumbnails
23:06 < ybit> so ~ 6 megapixel camera suffices for taking photos of notes, neat
23:07 < genehacker> what doesn't?
23:07 < alx1> kanzure, we started the workshops but have not talked about repos yet
23:07 < alx1> kanzure, can you tell me about your project?  Is there a page about it?
23:08 < kanzure> ybit: it was a scanner
23:08 < ybit> ah
23:18 < fenn> i guess i should set up the skdb info page somewhere else
23:19 < kanzure> aha. behold! http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/
23:21 < kanzure> hehe: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/art/?Qwd=./supers&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
23:31 < fenn> http://heybryan.org/camera/ is busted
23:32 < kanzure> it loads images for me. .
23:33 < drazak> fenn: works for me
23:35 < kanzure> heh http://heybryan.org/camera/?Qwd=.&Qif=IMG_3598.JPG&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
23:48 < fenn> this is what i have
23:48 < fenn> allow-hotplug eth0
23:48 < fenn> auto eth0
23:48 < fenn> iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.86 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 gateway 192.168.1.1
23:48 < fenn> on separate lines
23:49 < drazak> fenn: how do you figure out the path a certain command is using
23:50 < fenn> which?
23:50 < fenn> or do you mean the environment it's running, like $PWD
23:50 < drazak> there's a command you can put infront of another command
23:50 < drazak> to tell you where teh binary is located
23:50 < drazak> and I'm having a major brain fart
23:50 < fenn> that's `which`
23:51 < drazak> thanks
23:51 < fenn> also ps -ef shows the command line used to call stuff
23:52 < drazak> yeah
23:55 < genehacker> kanzure do you mind saving that link I sent you
23:55 < genehacker> it will be useful
23:56 < kanzure> which link
23:57 < kanzure> ohgod http://192.168.1.110/camera/?Qwd=./internet&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
23:58 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.110/camera/?Qwd=./internet&Qif=frominternet.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
23:58 < drazak> thanks for making them unclickables
23:59 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.110/camera/?Qwd=./internet&Qif=instructions.jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
23:59 < kanzure> drazak: you can guess the correct url
23:59 < drazak> :P
23:59 < kanzure> but it will not be worth your time
23:59 < fenn> they load just as slow for me