--- Day changed Fri Jul 24 2009
00:00 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/rybfg/NoYouGirlstrentemollerremixedit.mp3
00:01 < katsmeow-afk> no sound on puters
00:01 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/ekkmc/LykkeLi-LittleBitVillainsRemix.mp3
00:03 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/gqatds/MiikeSnow-AnimalFakeBloodRemix.mp3
00:04 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/ujaqrd/MattandKim-Daylight.mp3
00:04 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/obthdc/Santogold-L.E.SArtistesxxxchangeremix.mp3
00:05 < ybit> alright, i'll quit, most of the other stuff is jazz, electronic, soundtracks/orchestral
00:05 < ybit> that's more of the new indie-pop stuff
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00:06  * ybit will try sticking to h+ stuff for the rest of the day
00:08 < ybit> marilyn manson, korn, enrique iglesias, i'm not sure how they go together but that's my odd music taste
00:08 < ybit> http://www.8bitpeoples.com/ is a great resource for new stuff too
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00:09  * ybit was just commenting on wrldpc2's beard and sharing music
00:10 < ybit> http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/8BP094 :: corn beast is good
00:11 < ybit> can't believe i forgot to paste http://filebin.ca/pcjbcg/dailyroutinephaseoneremix.mp3
00:11  * ybit thinks wrldpc2 would like e-603
00:11 < ybit> they've played in boston a few times that i know of
00:12 < ybit> wrldpc2: you rap iirc
00:12 < wrldpc2> I'll check em out.
00:12 < wrldpc2> B likes electronic.
00:13 < ybit> e-603's album is free for download
00:13 < ybit> http://www.tornup.net/TORNUP
00:13 < ybit> http://www.myspace.com/e603 is their (obvious) myspace
00:14 < ybit> http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/8BP078
00:15 < ybit> www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/8BP093  is alright
00:16 < ybit> back to trying
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00:18 < Traveler2> hi all, I am in tech shop!
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01:06 < genehacker2> lojban
01:07 < genehacker2> is an odd language
01:07 < genehacker2> you might want to write SKDB in lojban
01:07 < genehacker2> "The Lojban word for "make" literally means "x makes y using material z" (e.g., "Thomas makes a blowgun using bamboo")."
01:11 < QuantumG> I've read a lot of Steven Pinker
01:11 < QuantumG> he suggests there are fundamental atoms to all human languages.
01:11 < QuantumG> stuff like "X causes Y to be caused by doing Z"
01:12 < QuantumG> or "X causes the state of Y to change to Z"
01:13 < QuantumG> of course, I've never seen this list.
01:13 < QuantumG> but I find it very funny that all this "purely philosophical" research on the world and thought and such becomes practical as soon as you start thinking about knowledge representation in computers.
01:17 < QuantumG> do you store:  killed(bob, john)  or do you store caused_state_change(bob, john, not(alive))
02:14 < timschmidt> toki pona tends toward the latter...  118 words total.
02:14  * ybit dabbled in lojban back in the day
02:15 < ybit> who hasn't messed with conlangs though
02:15 < timschmidt> we eventually realize it's just a phase and go back to dating men?
02:15 < ybit> something like that
02:16 < timschmidt> ah, college
02:17  * ybit was first into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithkuil
02:18 < ybit> and then eventually a search for the ultimate conlang ensued, tada: lojban
02:21 < QuantumG> people talk about lojban being easier to do speech recognition on too..
02:21 < QuantumG> never seen an implementation :)
02:27 < katsmeow-afk> so there's many times more people speaking/using Klingon than Ithkuil
02:29 < ybit> i would have to say yes, i don't know of anyone that can speak it,  ilaksh is what everyone anticipated
02:30 < ybit> i totally just got that wrong
02:30 < QuantumG> don't forget esperanto :)
02:31 < ybit> heh, conlangs.. such a waste of time until something actually uses it :)
02:31  * ybit is sleepy
02:31 < ybit> gn h+ers
02:31 < katsmeow-afk> i think i have a megabye of txt like  caused_state_change(bob, john, not(alive))
02:31 < QuantumG> if you could make a conlang that you could do speech recognition on and get ~100% correctness, I'd learn it.
02:34 < katsmeow-afk> Loglan 88 is unrelated to Loglan, an artificial language. Adding to the confusion, Loglan's derivative Lojban was at one time known as Loglan-88.
02:37 < QuantumG> hehe
02:37 < QuantumG> need a tree
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04:58 < genehacker2> http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-07/scientists-design-versatile-self-assembling-nanogears
04:59 < genehacker2> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17507-mismatched-materials-produce-selfassembling-gears.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
05:01 < Smari> http://www.wimp.com/safestsaw/
05:25 < kanzure> ybit: yeah I have a rip of one of the classic 8bit music sites
05:26 < kanzure> my first conlove was named "affe"
05:32 < kanzure> it was to be the language of calxia
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08:48 < kanzure> git clone git://github.com/Ralith/reprap-utils.git
09:09 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/pokenetonline/
09:14 < kanzure> fenn: did you check my skdb/pcr-example modifications?
09:21 < kanzure> also, should we move the package examples/attempts into the repo?
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09:44 < kanzure> does anyone have access to either of these?
09:44 < kanzure> iPS cells can support full-term development of tetraploid blastocyst-complemented embryos
09:45 < kanzure> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8G3V-4WV0B98-1&_user=108429&_coverDate=07%2F23%2F2009&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000059713&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=108429&md5=81db667cfe1c8a7bd2f015c137370e64
09:45 < kanzure> Induction of pluripotency in adult unipotent germline stem cells
09:45 < kanzure> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8G3V-4WNH0W9-J&_user=108429&_coverDate=07%2F02%2F2009&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000059713&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=108429&md5=1f58928930e3dad15d5bc49f7e02a39b
09:52 < kanzure> ok got them
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09:54 < kanzure> iPS cells can support full-term development of tetraploid blastocyst-complemented embryos
09:54 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/iPS%20cells%20can%20support%20full-term%20development%20of%20tetraploid%20blastocyst-complemented%20embryos.pdf
09:59 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r399d6121524b /packages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): lame attempt at packaging
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10:31 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r490aca7c9e20 /packages/screw.skdb/metadata.yaml: added dependencies to screw metadata
10:41 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * ra1502bc5ad72 /packages/screw.skdb/ (metadata.yaml template.yaml): reorganized screw metadata
10:42 < kanzure> not sure about lines 13 through 15 in metadata.yaml. are dots allowed in attribute names? and is there a better way to store versioning information?
10:44 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r38dc5353f695 /packages/screw.skdb/metadata.yaml: er, runtime is somewhat ambiguous- added a comment
10:45 < kanzure> oh crap I screwed up the dependencies big time
10:45 < kanzure> the "runtime" dependencies are for the "build" dependencies. which is totally retarded.
10:45 < kanzure> what type of dependency is it called for requiring a screwdriver to screw in a screw?
10:46 < kanzure> maybe "assembly dependency" ?
10:56 < fenn> build
10:56 < fenn> run-time for the screw, since it's a component
10:57 < fenn> uh, wait nevermind
10:57 < kanzure> yeah..
10:57 < fenn> it's a build dependency
10:57 < kanzure> is it?
10:57 < fenn> ya
10:57 < kanzure> you have a box of screws
10:57 < kanzure> did you need a screwdriver?
10:57 < fenn> you dont need a screwdriver to build a screw
10:57 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r6e7526350066 /packages/screw.skdb/metadata.yaml: er, fixing the metadata
10:57 < kanzure> fenn: so it shouldn't be a build dependency
10:57 < fenn> it's not a dependency of the screw
10:58 < fenn> it's whatever else you're building
10:58 < kanzure> oh. so some other package
10:58 < kanzure> some other package might depend on a screw
10:58 < kanzure> and a screwdriver
10:58 < kanzure> okay.
10:58  * kanzure removes the assembly dependency lines
10:59 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r14e60907b0d2 /packages/screw.skdb/metadata.yaml: removed assembly dependency lines, added see also (for the time being)
10:59 < fenn> huh. we have screw.skdb now?
10:59 < kanzure> what?
10:59 < kanzure> didn't you give me a tar file?
10:59 < fenn> yeah but you're modifying stuff in the repo
10:59 < kanzure> yes
11:00 < fenn> screw.py history is wrong
11:00 < fenn> the real screw.py is in skdb/
11:00 < kanzure> there's no "git ln" :(
11:00 < fenn> then do git mv
11:00 < kanzure> are you okay with me moving screw.py out of skdb/ ?
11:00 < fenn> yeah
11:01 < fenn> just fix stuff so it's skdb.packages.screw
11:01 < fenn> is that how it works?
11:01 < kanzure> what about it?
11:01 < fenn> btw i'm pretty sure you can commit symlinks
11:01 < kanzure> can symlinks be relative?
11:01 < fenn> yes
11:02 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r9ef67f1b3aea / (9 files in 3 dirs): move stuff around
11:02 < kanzure> um
11:02 < kanzure> what the fuck
11:02 < kanzure> git log screw.py
11:02 < kanzure> "move stuff around"
11:03 < kanzure> but I moved it from skdb/
11:03 < kanzure> shouldn't it have taken the history?
11:03 < genehacker2> hey is there something like that repository thing for cad models?
11:03 < fenn> did you do mv or git mv?
11:03 < kanzure> fenn: git mv
11:03 < kanzure> but I also renamed the dir it was in
11:03 < kanzure> did I do too many things at the same time?
11:03 < kanzure> genehacker2: what?
11:04 < fenn> screw.py => packages/screw/screw.py
11:04 < kanzure> right
11:04 < kanzure> but I also deleted screw.py in that commit
11:04 < kanzure> so maybe it got confused?
11:04  * kanzure retries
11:05 < fenn> should i rebase my local copy?
11:05 < kanzure> yes
11:05 < kanzure> er, git rebase --onto 14e60907b0d2b97587348a662ebf9443661c107c
11:05 < kanzure> that didn't work for me, what did I do wrong?
11:06 < fenn> specify branch
11:06 < kanzure> k thanks
11:08 < kanzure> nope 
11:08 < kanzure> just moving the file with "git mv" doesn't preserve history
11:08 < fenn> isn't that the point of git mv?
11:10 < kanzure> "Git has a rename command git mv, but that is just a convenience. The effect is indistinguishable from removing the file and adding another with different name and the same content. "
11:10 < kanzure> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitFaq
11:11 < kanzure> ah well git log -M will turn on rename tracking apparently
11:12 < kanzure> okay that's nice.
11:12 < fenn> "It does. Try "git log file new_file". After committing, that is"
11:12 < kanzure> hm you have all of the commits since the beginning of skdb.py ?
11:12 < kanzure> I mean, am I supposed to be seeing everything back to april 2008 in screw.py?
11:12 < fenn> i don't have -M?
11:13 < kanzure> what?
11:13 < fenn> erm, it's not in the man page
11:13 < fenn> hmm
11:13 < kanzure> oh fooey, git log -M screw.py
11:13 < kanzure> I was doing git log -M -p which, of course, would display everything
11:13 < kanzure> git log -M screw.py just shows the last three commits (me)
11:13 < kanzure> so it didn't work
11:14 < fenn> it should start with "split screw into its own file"
11:14 < fenn> i think
11:15 < kanzure> this sucks
11:17 < kanzure> yeah so try this
11:17 < kanzure> git mv screw.py screw2.py
11:17 < kanzure> git commit -m'attempting rename'
11:17 < kanzure> git log screw2.py
11:17 < kanzure> you just get your latest commit in the log
11:18 < kanzure> #git suggestss --folow
11:18 < kanzure> *suggests
11:19 < kanzure> git log --follow screw2.py
11:20 < fenn> ok, looks good
11:20 < fenn> i guess i think follow should be the default
11:22 < kanzure> how do I fix skdb.git ?
11:22 < fenn> on adl?
11:22 < kanzure> I just cloned skdb.git from davinci and did git log --follow on packages/screw/screw.py and it didn't work. so I want to push my better changes to davinci
11:22 < kanzure> yeah
11:22 < fenn> one moment
11:22 < fenn> er, same thing you did on your local box; rebase to 14e6..
11:22 < kanzure> okay
11:23 < kanzure> git rebase cannot be used without a working tree
11:23 < fenn> oh yeah, we did this before
11:23 < kanzure> did we have to start a new bare repo?
11:23 < fenn> i spent like 2 hours before giving up
11:23 < fenn> pretty much
11:24 < fenn> i'll fix it
11:24 < kanzure> don't delete ciabot
11:26 < fenn> oops
11:26 < kanzure> sigh
11:27 < fenn> apparently --shared doesn't do what i think it does
11:27 < fenn> i didnt delete anything
11:30 < fenn> ok "fixed"
11:30 < kanzure> can you fix the objects permissions while you're at it
11:31 < kanzure> can't seem to push while you reign control over them :p
11:35 < fenn> any ideas how to fix that permanently?
11:36 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r7a1b23e2d11d /packages/screw.skdb/screw.py: removed an extraneous screw.py
11:36 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * red6391bd7b32 /packages/ (6 files in 2 dirs): move screw.skdb/ to screw/
11:36 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r173e52e8bead / (packages/screw/screw.py screw.py): moved screw.py
11:36 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * rbabf5f4d4d65 / (dep/__init__.py pymates/__init__.py): turned pymates into a module
11:36 < kanzure> I just had to do chmod -R g+w *
11:37 < kanzure> isn't there a stickybit that you can add to the skdb.git dir?
11:37 < fenn> right but we hve to keep doing that. should that be a hook?
11:37 < fenn> yes but it makes new dirs without hte sticky bit
11:37 < kanzure> sure.
11:37 < fenn> er setuid bit
11:37 < kanzure> oh btw, #git tells me to try git push -f next time this situation comes up
11:37 < kanzure> instead of restarting the bare repo
11:37 < fenn> push -f?
11:37 < kanzure> yes
11:37 < kanzure> (force)
11:38 < fenn> do they have any advice on setting up permissions crap?
11:38 < kanzure> ask them yourself
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11:39 < fenn> egad this is worse than #python
11:40 < kanzure> seems like a natural pace to me. this is just a slow channel.
11:42 < fenn> blah --shared does what i want with init but not clone?
11:43 < kanzure> er you said that you want "import skdb.packages.screw" to work
11:43 < kanzure> but screw imports skdb
11:44 < kanzure> is this a problem?
11:44 < fenn> packages/ rightly isnt part of skdb
11:44 < fenn> is it just "import packages.screw"?
11:45 < kanzure> fixing
11:46 < fenn> i added sharedrepository = 1 to skdb.git/config
11:46 < kanzure> ok "import packages.screw" should work now
11:47 < kanzure> if you have some_module/ with some_module/some_module.py, you usually have to add some_module/__init__.py
11:47 < kanzure> and then you say "import some_module.some_module.whatever"
11:47 < kanzure> which is lame
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11:47 < kanzure> so in some_module/__init__.py, add "from some_module import *"
11:47 < kanzure> where "some_module" in the import statement refers to some_module.py
11:47 < kanzure> is a nice fix
11:48 < fenn> say what?
11:48 < kanzure> um
11:48 < kanzure> try it yourself
11:48 < fenn> are we really doing "modules" at all?
11:48 < fenn> there's only one file
11:48 < kanzure> cd ~/sandbox; mkdir some_module; cd some_module; echo "" > __init__.py; echo "class Burp: pass" > some_module.py ; 
11:49 < kanzure> cd ../ ; bpython ; #try "import some_module" and see for yourself.
11:50 < fenn> what's the point of an empty __init__.py
11:50 < kanzure> to tell python that it is a module
11:50 < fenn> what the hell is a module
11:51 < kanzure> try cd ~/code/skdb/../ ; python -c "import skdb.thread"
11:51 < kanzure> and it will say "No module named skdb.thread"
11:51 < kanzure> because skdb/__init__.py doesn't exist
11:51 < fenn> that's weak
11:51 < kanzure> did you get enough sleep?
11:51 < fenn> yes
11:52 < kanzure> hm
11:52 < fenn> i just dont see the point of some empty file with a special name
11:53 < kanzure> python standard I guess
11:53  * fenn reads http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-April/064400.html
11:54 < fenn> i guess that didnt happen
11:55 < fenn> did you move your stuff around yet?
11:55 < kanzure> how do I access the curdir?
11:55 < kanzure> yes
11:55 < kanzure> I want to figure out the local path.. but os.path.realpath(os.path.curdir) apparently is only where you executed from
11:55 < kanzure> not where the file actually is
12:01 < fenn> poo
12:02 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r838e0c2e3b0f / (4 files in 3 dirs): more module __init__.py files added. fixed units.py path errors
12:02 < kanzure> the answer was os.path.dirname(__file__)
12:02 < fenn> ah
12:02 < fenn> how come it won't execute my print statements when i do import?
12:02 < kanzure> like what?
12:03 < fenn> print os.path.whatever
12:03 < kanzure> "import os" and then "print os.path.whatever" and it doesn't print?
12:03 < fenn> when i import the file
12:04 < kanzure> which file? is it in skdb/ ?
12:04 < kanzure> I added print statements to units.py a few seconds ago and they worked just fine
12:04 < kanzure> (I removed them however)
12:04 < kanzure> I added them outside of any class, however
12:04 < fenn> import packages.screw
12:05 < fenn> gah wtf is packages/screw.pyc
12:05  * fenn fails at modules
12:06 < kanzure> why is there packages/screw.pyc? there's only packages/screw/
12:06 < fenn> i dont know where it came from
12:06 < fenn> so ihave to do "import packages.screw.screw"?
12:06 < kanzure> did you pull?
12:06 < kanzure> I've made it so that you don't have to do that
12:07 < kanzure> instead: "import packages.screw"
12:07 < fenn> ok, with __init__.py: from screw import *
12:07  * kanzure nods
12:08 < kanzure> right now the following works for me in ~/code: import skdb, skdb.packages, skdb.packages.screw
12:09 < fenn> any ideas why i get this? could not determine a constructor for the tag '!thread'
12:09 < fenn> when i do skdb.load(open('screw.yaml'))
12:09 < kanzure> yes
12:09 < kanzure> I'm solving that atm
12:09 < kanzure> the problem is that in __init__.py you need to do something like "import thread"
12:09 < kanzure> however,
12:09 < kanzure> "thread" is really python's threading module
12:10 < kanzure> so I need to fix this somehow
12:10 < fenn> feel free to rename it
12:10 < kanzure> any hints?
12:10 < kanzure> how about "threads"?
12:11 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r24f28f3d148c / (__init__.py thread.py threads.py): renamed thread, fixed __init__
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12:12 < kanzure> hm. "Thread object has no attribute 'gender'"
12:12 < fenn> should fix that eh
12:13 < fenn> from skdb import * is icky
12:13 < fenn> i dont ever want to do "from .* import *"
12:13 < kanzure> fenn: that's just for the module though
12:13 < fenn> oh wait that's in __init__.py, nevermind
12:13 < kanzure> yeah
12:14 < fenn> so.. i have to add to __init__.py every time i make a file?
12:14 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r519627240a03 /threads.py: fixed an AttributeError in threads.py
12:14 < kanzure> fenn: seems that way :(
12:15 < kanzure> well, actually
12:15 < kanzure> heh.. give me one minute
12:17 < fenn> typical: !dependency-set
12:17 < fenn> really?
12:17 < kanzure> what?
12:17 < kanzure> I don't know what "typical" actually is
12:17 < kanzure> I mean, if you have some better ideas for how to make a screw, please write them down
12:18 < fenn> typical is shorthand for a probability distribution data representation
12:19 < fenn> i dont understand what arduino has to do with making screws
12:19 < kanzure> um did you pull?
12:19 < kanzure> arduino should not be in there any more
12:22 < fenn> dependencies should be for functionalities, not specific machine instances
12:22 < kanzure> what?
12:22 < fenn> why '!dependency-set'?
12:22 < kanzure> there are different options
12:22 < kanzure> so it could be '!option' I guess
12:23 < kanzure> but anyway, the idea is that you could have different ways of building something
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12:23 < kanzure> there is not One All Supreme way of building a screw
12:23 < fenn> no, but at most you should boil it down to basic processes, not machine instances
12:24 < kanzure> ok. then you search for some machine that implements that process.
12:24 < kanzure> that's fine with me
12:29 < fenn> i think dependencies is going to be a lot harder to describe than you think
12:34 < fenn> i hate this crap "low carbon steel"
12:34 < fenn> what does that mean
12:34 < fenn> can't they just say AISI 1018
12:35 < xp_prg> kanzure i am in tech shop now!
12:36 < kanzure> why
12:38 < kanzure> fenn: what would you prefer? having to write down files to *not* include or files that should be included?
12:38 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r08ddba940a72 /packages/screw/ (data.yaml metadata.yaml): new dependencies format
12:38 < fenn> kanzure: files that should be included
12:39 < fenn> i dont know what you're talking about tho
12:39 < kanzure> I'm working on __init__.py in skdb/ so that it automatically includes everything except from a list
12:39 < kanzure> but i guess I shouldn't bother now
12:39 < fenn> that doesnt seem really worth a bother
12:40 < fenn> there is quite a lot of stuff in skdb/ now
12:40 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r97af55457055 / (__init__.py graphtheory.py): fixed graphtheory.py error
12:40 < kanzure> fenn: hm?
12:41 < kanzure> should skdb/screw.yaml be moved to skdb/packages/screw/data.yaml ?
12:42 < fenn> yes; that's sort of why i was like "huh we have a screw.skdb now?"
12:42 < kanzure> yeah because in screw.py there's "import skdb"
12:43 < fenn> so?
12:43 < kanzure> that's why we have "screw.skdb"
12:43 < fenn> i mean you fucked up by copying things and committing it
12:43 < kanzure> what?
12:43 < kanzure> I thought we fixed that
12:44 < kanzure> oh
12:44 < kanzure> I see what you mean
12:44 < kanzure> yeah.. do you want to clean up my mess or do you want me to?
12:45 < fenn> it's only one more file; i guess i'll do it
12:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r336df7e025ba / (packages/screw/data.yaml screw.yaml): this should have been moved instead of copied
12:47 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r84bf7723a71b /packages/screw/data.yaml: material spec will be needed for dependency resolution?
12:47 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r86c34a6460fc / (__init__.py graphtheory.py): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
12:48 < kanzure> huh git log --follow data.yaml doesn't pick up skdb/screw.yaml
12:49 < kanzure> oh you just deleted it all out? meh
12:49 < fenn> yes it does
12:49 < kanzure> is "bar stock" a process?
12:49 < fenn> oh, damn it doesnt
12:50 < kanzure> good time to try git push -f :p
12:50 < fenn> i dont know what that does
12:50 < kanzure> if you rebase your local repo and fix your mistake,
12:50 < kanzure> try pushing (like you always do) to adl
12:50 < kanzure> then if that fails, try git push -f
12:51 < kanzure> er, or not. you probably shouldn't do that.
12:51 < fenn> rebase what?
12:51 < fenn> what's the correct way to move a file?
12:52 < kanzure> you didn't move a file.. git said that you rm'd it
12:52 < fenn> i did git rm packages/screw/data.yaml; git mv screw.yaml packages/screw/data.yaml
12:52 < kanzure> oh fooey
12:52 < kanzure> well one thing I tried earlier today was committing in between those two steps
12:53 < fenn> hm
12:53 < fenn> did it work? :P
12:53 < kanzure> check the git log, I think it did
12:53 < kanzure> yeah I had a separate commit for moving of different files etc.
12:54 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r529097f746e7 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: fixed filename in metadata
12:54 < fenn> hang on, dont commit anything for a bit
12:54 < kanzure> okay.
12:54  * kanzure will probably have to rebase
12:54 < fenn> right. this sucks
12:55  * kanzure wanders off
12:57 < CIA-44> skdb:  * rbda23a6ff34f /packages/screw/data.yaml: this should have been moved, not copied
12:57 < CIA-44> skdb:  * rcff06bd7a1ef / (packages/screw/data.yaml screw.yaml): move to package dir
12:57 < kanzure> did you try git log --follow on it?
12:58 < fenn> yeah
12:58 < kanzure> and it worked?
12:58 < fenn> yeah
12:58 < kanzure> yay
12:58 < kanzure> also I evidently fail at wandering-off
12:58 < kanzure> can you tell me what to rebase to?
12:58 < kanzure> is 86c34a6460fcbdbb595b7bb81bfaeff4bc6ba5d7 acceptable?
12:59 < fenn> i dunno what that is; try 08ddba
13:00 < kanzure> we need to document this somewhere btw
13:00 < fenn> oops i think i deleted your graphtheory commit
13:00 < kanzure> blah
13:01 < kanzure> it's okay, it's on github
13:01 < fenn> can you pull in a commit like that?
13:01 < kanzure> http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/commits/master
13:01 < kanzure> hm..
13:02 < kanzure> yes :)
13:02 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r97af55457055 / (__init__.py graphtheory.py): fixed graphtheory.py error
13:02 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r08687527c6bb / (__init__.py graphtheory.py): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:kanzure/skdb
13:02 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r9f78b5c51c45 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: fixed source data filename in screw metadata
13:04 < kanzure> fun stuff
13:06 < kanzure> hey did you get that email from campbell?
13:06 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/repositoryData.png
13:07 < fenn> i wonder how he made that
13:08 < kanzure> he didn't
13:08 < kanzure> it was from the paper, rob stone probably made it
13:08 < kanzure> or rob's goons at least
13:08 < fenn> i wonder if 'dot' would do a better job of making the arrows all go the same direction
13:10 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r69e370ad8b0f / (8 files in 2 dirs): move non-functional stuffs out of main dir
13:10 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r3a99b84efe49 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move out of main dir
13:11 < kanzure> um
13:11 < kanzure> why did you not move autogenix-format-spec?
13:11 < kanzure> did you just do the same damn thing?
13:12 < fenn> i moved it
13:12 < kanzure> doesn't look like it
13:12 < kanzure> I pulled, and it's still in skdb/
13:12 < fenn> you must have a local copy
13:12 < kanzure> what?
13:12 < fenn> do git status autogenix-format-spec
13:12 < kanzure> nothing to add
13:13 < fenn> gah wtf
13:13 < fenn> it didnt commit the deletions
13:13  * fenn thrashes git with a pointy fork
13:14 < kanzure> I'll do the moves
13:15 < fenn> i think git mv is broken or something
13:15 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r0705eae6c85d / (2 files in 2 dirs): moved
13:15 < kanzure> hah, git push -f is awesome!
13:16 < fenn> well. there's no pull -f
13:16 < kanzure> you want to first rebase to 9f78b5c51c45c46fcf556708ffd5a85a2f05319b
13:16 < kanzure> then pull
13:17 < kanzure> can I move friction.yaml?
13:17 < fenn> sure
13:17 < fenn> i think we should just delete ikiwiki-howto
13:18 < fenn> it was probably wrong anyway
13:18 < kanzure> hold on .. /me works
13:18 < kanzure> similarity-graph.py loads materials.yaml
13:19 < fenn> mv fugly-screw.svg while at it
13:19 < kanzure> is it ok if I move materials.yaml and correct similarity-graphs ?
13:19 < fenn> hmm
13:20 < fenn> just move both
13:20 < fenn> also, what is procedure for moving a file and keeping the history? since obviously i'm doing it wrong
13:21 < kanzure> commit, git mv, commit
13:21  * fenn puts on his 'i dont believe it' hat
13:24 < kanzure> how about codingstyle.txt?
13:24 < fenn> that's not a proposal :P
13:24 < kanzure> um what about similarity-graph though?
13:24 < kanzure> and materials.yaml ?
13:24 < fenn> similarity-graph was just something i cooked up to try to illustrate a concept
13:25 < kanzure> how about processes.yaml?
13:25 < fenn> wtf
13:25 < kanzure> hm?
13:25 < kanzure> am I not supposed to be moving stuff?
13:25 < fenn> not stuff that doesnt need to be moved
13:25 < kanzure> I'm moving stuff into skdb/doc and skdb/misc
13:25 < kanzure> blah
13:26 < fenn> misc is bad
13:26 < fenn> never make a misc drawer
13:26 < kanzure> well I have csv_converter.py to misc
13:26 < fenn> that's a database import tool
13:26 < kanzure> gah this sucks
13:26 < kanzure> ok, you know what, you move stuff (just this time do it correctly)
13:27 < kanzure> and I'll rebase on to 0705eae6c85d31715ab1d7228417351dc59100cf
13:27 < fenn> ok
13:29 < fenn> huh.
13:30 < kanzure> I don't think graphtheory.py should be a proposal/ member
13:30 < fenn> i didnt move it
13:30 < kanzure> you did previously
13:31 < fenn> oh. what does it do?
13:31 < kanzure> it does nothing
13:31 < kanzure> but it's not a proposal :p
13:31 < fenn> why does it exist?
13:31 < kanzure> nodal analysis methods
13:33 < fenn> what should i do with useless code?
13:34 < kanzure> how about skdb/sandbox ?
13:34 < kanzure> or skdb/testing ?
13:34 < kanzure> most projects have 'src' for source, but that doesn't work well with python modules
13:36 < fenn> what is dep/ ?
13:36 < kanzure> dependency theory bullshit
13:36 < kanzure> dep/dep.py was going to be a dependency resolution engine
13:36 < fenn> i know, but how does it fit in?
13:37 < kanzure> dependency resolution algorithms
13:37 < fenn> i mean how is it supposed to work with skdb
13:37 < kanzure> dependency resolution algorithms
13:37 < fenn> _-_
13:37 < kanzure> well.
13:38 < kanzure> when you're trying to figure out what the smallest set of dependencies would be
13:38 < kanzure> or what the shortest build path would be, this code would be useful as a starting point
13:40 < fenn> i dont like having tons of stuff around that doesn't work and you can't tell what is functional and what is just spew
13:41 < fenn> dep/ seems useful but all the stuff in inventory/ is crap
13:41 < kanzure> inventory/ should be data/ if anything
13:41 < fenn> it's not data, it's random lists of words
13:41 < kanzure> receipt-schema?
13:42 < kanzure> biology-lab-chemicals.incomplete.yaml?
13:42 < fenn> ok, receipt-schema is useful
13:42 < fenn> bio* doesnt conform to any standard afaict
13:42 < fenn> except its own
13:43 < kanzure> yeah I was typing it up as I went, but I tried to use the same attributes
13:44 < fenn> anyway none of the files really capture the sort of information i was trying to
13:44 < fenn> a BOM is not an inventory
13:44 < kanzure> then call them BOMs
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r07c2af25bb0c /doc/proposals/readme: short description of this dir
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r6feda9dd94fd / (22 files in 4 dirs): move stuff out of main dir
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r6a5b5f63b4c3 /ikiwiki-howto: ikiwiki never worked right anyaway
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r9b233d0095e3 /inventory/electronics-workbench: this is essentially what we ordered for iu robo club
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r10e9788c7a95 / (44 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
13:46 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r9931077f74d8 / (24 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
13:47 < kanzure> shouldn't doc/fugly-screw.svg be icons/fugly-screw.svg ?
13:48 < fenn> no?
13:48 < fenn> i was trying to illustrate the interfaces of a screw
13:48 < kanzure> hm you didn't move skdb.png ?
13:48 < fenn> an icon is the bare minimum that illustrates the concept
13:48 < kanzure> Skdb.png I mean
13:49 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r1f9e36634f87 / (Skdb.png doc/Skdb.png doc/skdb.mediawiki skdb.mediawiki): move out of main dir
13:50 < kanzure> how did you move so many files without having a million commits?
13:50 < kanzure> because previously when you git-mv'd more than one file at a time, you broke the histories
13:51 < kanzure> or maybe that was only when you git-mv'd and git-rm'd at the same commit
13:51 < kanzure> hm
13:51 < fenn> i did git-stash halfway through because you were doing something else and i had to pull
13:51 < fenn> apparently that screwed something up
13:52 < kanzure> oh?
13:52 < fenn> the "44 files in 8 dirs" was just because i had an old commit hanging around on tub
13:53 < CIA-44> skdb:  * r49e43b49a790 /doc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): i guess this is really just some idea; not documentation for skdb
13:53 < fenn> wow it's 2pm
13:53 < kanzure> ?
13:53 < fenn> time flies when you're fighting a time sink
13:55 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * rfe10f2ee5b46 / (12 files in 2 dirs): moved BOMs
13:55 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r7387d4dd1c19 /doc/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
13:56 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r41997cb3fc5b / (10 files in 2 dirs): moved comparison of fablabs and techshops
13:57 < fenn> hm. aren't "dan.millican.texas.state" and "lockhardwoodworks.txt" inventories? (albeit in plain text)
13:57 < kanzure> fooey
13:57 < kanzure> yes..
13:57 < kanzure> should I fix?
13:58 < fenn> ya
13:58 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r8c7fa712e5d4 / (4 files in 2 dirs): these are really inventory lists, move them back
13:59 < kanzure> hm things still feel a little cluttered
14:01 < CIA-44> skdb:  * red829d27880b /inventory/ (10 files in 2 dirs): clean up yer mess fenn
14:01 < kanzure> huh?
14:01 < kanzure> oh, oka
14:02 < kanzure> *okay
14:02 < kanzure> furances? is that a typo in inventory/dan.millican.texas.state ?
14:02 < fenn> looks like it
14:03 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * raf4650bf40a0 /inventory/dan.millican.texas.state: typo fix in texas state inventory
14:28 < fenn> i want to do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition
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14:31 < fenn> seems like you'd need a few more electrodes for the mouth though
14:35 < genehacker2> ???
14:35 < genehacker2> kanzure you there?
14:36 < kanzure> no
14:37 < genehacker2> ok
14:49 < kanzure> fenn: lines 34-36 in skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml - is "bar stock" really a process?
14:50 < fenn> no, it's a material
14:50 < kanzure> so the build dependencies are either threading/thread-forming/thread-milling *or* a material and some wire?
14:51 < fenn> either {threading or thread-forming or thread milling}, and {bar stock or wire}
14:51 < kanzure> ok then I must not understand how to make a screw from bar stock and wire
14:51 < kanzure> oh
14:51 < kanzure> that's confusing
14:51 < kanzure> I see now.
14:52 < kanzure> so "wire and threading" is a valid selection
14:52 < fenn> yeah
14:52 < kanzure> threading some wire seems kinda lame :p
14:52 < fenn> why?
14:52 < kanzure> guess if it's sufficiently thick
14:52 < fenn> screw machines use wire i think
14:55 < fenn> http://www.perfectmachinetools.com/1.html
14:55 < fenn> i was going to add 'cold heading' to the first list but i wasnt exactly sure what it meant
14:57 < fenn> http://www.stalcop.com/cold-heading.php
14:57 < fenn> looks like the cold heading process doesn't make threads, just the head
14:58 < kanzure> so it's just a rapid die stamper?
14:58 < fenn> i think it's more like a rivet gun
14:59 < kanzure> rivet gun: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6961982-0-large.jpg
14:59 < fenn> it smooshes the end of the wire into a shape by pushing on it axially
15:05 < kanzure> since we're going to be writing some generic package management code,
15:05 < kanzure> it would be nice if we kept it separated or not-skdb-intensive 
15:05 < kanzure> and instead just configure it to deploy for skdb
15:05 < kanzure> because the internet needs a general system for package management..
15:05 < fenn> the internet has too many systems for package management
15:05 < kanzure> they are all way too specific
15:05 < kanzure> if you add something, you break everything
15:06 < kanzure> and besides, they are all for software
15:06 < fenn> what about the ones you linked yesterday
15:06 < kanzure> smartpm is just some algorithms (which should be used)
15:06 < kanzure> xpkg is perl and unkept. maybe it could be converted.
15:06 < fenn> i mean besides hardware and software, what else is there?
15:06 < kanzure> pokemons? :p
15:07 < fenn> how is this not skdb?
15:07 < kanzure> what?
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15:07 < kanzure> everyone who has ever made a package manager has made it all .. "stuck inside their main project"
15:07 < fenn> i guess i just dont get 'generic package management'
15:07 < kanzure> originally I was hoping that I could just use apt, dpkg, etc
15:07 < kanzure> but then I found out how integral it was to the debian system
15:07 < kanzure> in other words, repurposing it would not be an easy task
15:08 < kanzure> there's no reason that you should have to "repurpose" and "rewrite" package managers
15:08 < kanzure> except that someone somewhere said "bah, there's no other possible use for this"
15:10 < fenn> i guess it's the same as why there's no "generic tree traversal library"
15:10 < kanzure> didn't boost have one?
15:10 < fenn> the basic algorithm is just too simple
15:11 < kanzure> if not boost, shouldn't it be a part of stdlib?
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15:15 < kanzure> http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=tree&submit=search
15:16 < fenn> ls
15:16 < fenn> bwah
15:16 < kanzure> ?
15:17 < fenn> why show me search results?
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15:20 < fenn> should i change or: to either: ?
15:21 < kanzure> nah, but a comment might help somewhere
15:21 < fenn> is there an english prefix word meaning the same as "and"?
15:21 < kanzure> both?
15:21 < fenn> that only works for two
15:21 < kanzure> all?
15:22 < kanzure> with?
15:23 < kanzure> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_39_0/libs/graph/doc/depth_first_search.html
15:23 < kanzure> so why didn't campbell just use BOOST?
15:23 < fenn> why is the python logo on boost page?
15:23 < kanzure> http://wiki.python.org/moin/boost.python/GettingStarted
15:23 < kanzure> that's a good question
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15:25 < fenn> wikipedia suggests "also"
15:26 < kanzure> I like or/and prefixes because it points out to you that it's an expression tree
15:26 < fenn> right
15:27 < fenn> originally i was going to do some thing like process1 & material1 | process2 & material2
15:27 < kanzure> eww
15:27 < kanzure> in that syntax?
15:27 < fenn> parsing looks less interesting when it's you who has to write the parser
15:27  * kanzure nods
15:28 < fenn> look at (an unusual shucking machine that can use multiple power sources) in autogenix-format-spec.txt
15:33 < fenn> can i do for i in tree.search(): if i == blah: return i.path()
15:33 < fenn> something like that
15:33 < kanzure> that's what I was wanting a few days ago for something
15:33 < kanzure> actually I did tree.children()
15:33 < kanzure> and children() just returns all children of the tree
15:34 < kanzure> anywho, no, I don't have those methods written or in any usable state
15:34 < kanzure> we should ask #python
15:35 < kanzure> http://www.osl.iu.edu/~dgregor/bgl-python/reference/boost.graph.html
15:35 < kanzure> python bindings to the boost-graph library
15:35 < kanzure> main page: http://www.osl.iu.edu/~dgregor/bgl-python/
15:36 < kanzure> yay
15:36 < kanzure> yep that's what we want
15:36 < kanzure> not sure how it compares to python-graph though
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15:37 < kanzure> svn co https://svn.osl.iu.edu/svn/projects_viz/bgl-python
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15:38 < kanzure> boost.python documentation: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_39_0/libs/python/doc/index.html (not just the BGL/boost-graph-library bindings)
15:48 < kanzure> hm this sucks. bgl-python requires boost already. that's quite a lot of dependencies to throw into the mix.
15:50 < fenn> os.walk(os.curdir)import os, yaml; print yaml.dump([x for x in os.walk(os.curdir)], default_flow_style=False)
15:50 < fenn> wtf
15:50 < kanzure> your paste sucks
15:50 < fenn> excuse the mispaste, it was supposed to look like this:
15:50 < fenn> import os, yaml; print yaml.dump([x for x in os.walk(os.curdir)], default_flow_style=False)
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17:01  * bkero talked to the Bioresource department about switching to a Bioinformatics/Genomics major today.
17:10 < fenn> you're in school?
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17:20 < genehacker2> http://reaktorplayer.wordpress.com/category/hermann-helmholtz/
17:20 < genehacker2> check it out steampunk synth
17:21 < kanzure> you mean musical synthesizer?
17:21 < kanzure> not a DNA synthesizer
17:21 < kanzure> the word "synth" should be banned
17:21 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/oqmqo/crim0003.jpg :: i think i need more light and to increase the res from 5mp to 12
17:22 < kanzure> nanocytes :p
17:22 < genehacker2> yes
17:23 < genehacker2> a sound synthesizer
17:23 < fenn> ybit: focusing might help too :P
17:23 < genehacker2> yeah i think so
17:23 < ybit> fenn: this camera is cheapo
17:23 < kanzure> filebin.ca sucks. the mime-type is all off
17:23 < kanzure> try imgbin or something
17:24 < kanzure> someone added points to heekspython's api today
17:24 < genehacker2> I wonder if hemholzt resonators require high manufacturing tolerances...
17:25 < genehacker2> or if they could be made of plastic
17:26 < kanzure> fenn: is "fastening" a process?
17:27 < kanzure> it's kind of an assembly process. is an assembly process a manufacturing process?
17:27 < kanzure> it doesn't really happen to material, energy or information .. except in its "position"
17:27 < kanzure> is "position" an attribute of material, energy, or information?
17:27 < genehacker2> it can be
17:27 < genehacker2> not of material
17:28 < genehacker2> hmmm....
17:28 < genehacker2> variables indepedent
17:29 < genehacker2> no
17:30 < kanzure> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/24/1741210/Stallman-Says-Pirate-Party-Hurts-Free-Software?art_pos=7&art_pos=7
17:30 < kanzure> go stallman :)
17:31 < fenn> yes 'fastening' is a process
17:46 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rd6f7c2603508 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: add process metadata to screw package
17:46 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rc66ef5abf767 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
17:49 < ybit> http://bayimg.com/image/paceoaacn.jpg
17:49 < ybit> much better
17:50 < ybit> still needs slight improving
17:50 < ybit> look at the equation far bottom of page
17:56 < ybit> any suggestions?
17:57 < ybit> fenn: there's no way to focus it, that i'm aware of
18:06 < kanzure> blah? http://martinsvillemachine.com/mediac/400_0/media/wiretraverse62804.jpg
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18:08 < fenn> ybit: try some reading glasses or something
18:09 < kanzure> AutoCAD Inventor files on the web: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&num=100&q=filetype%3Aipt+%22Inventor+Summary%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
18:09 < fenn> better than nothing maybe
18:16 < kanzure> what is a G0 detector?
18:17 < fenn> context?
18:18 < kanzure> http://hallcweb.jlab.org/pictures/HallPictures/G0/010323-%20Cryobox%20elevation.jpg
18:18 < kanzure> and the STEP files: 
18:18 < kanzure> http://hallcweb.jlab.org/pictures/HallPictures/G0/Main_Cryo_Flex_Line.stp
18:30 < genehacker2> stealing cad files from the internets?
18:31 < genehacker2> what's that from?
18:34 < kanzure> somewhere. something.
18:35 < genehacker2> a cyro tempe line might be useful
18:41 < ybit> here's take two with more light: http://bayimg.com/image/cacfgaacn.jpg
18:41 < ybit> and take three with reading glasses: http://bayimg.com/image/cacfoaacn.jpg
18:41 < ybit> that worked actually :)
18:42 < ybit> i need a flatbed scanner though
18:42 < ybit> that would be best
18:42 < kanzure> is there some easy way to print on perforated paper? so that you just have a long feeder roll of paper stacked up in your printer's tray?
18:43 < ybit> never seen such a thing in modern printers
18:43 < kanzure> er, nevermind
18:43 < kanzure> it's useless anyway
18:47 < wrldpc2> Can I write a computer program that is 1 part eval 1 part apply that analyzes my verses and develops a computer model based on the ways in which I use letters/words/rhymes and then use that program to apply the model to generate new verses?
18:47 < wrldpc2> I am an idiot.
18:48 < ybit> :P i've seen similar programs
18:48 < ybit> http://plork.cs.princeton.edu/
18:48 < ybit> from here i'll find the links to the software
18:52 < kanzure> BeautifulSoup is apparently a python screen scraping library
18:54 < ybit> from there i search google for http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/chuck/ and come across http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/chuck/
18:54 < ybit> createdigitalmus.com is what i was looking for
18:54 < ybit> it has links to the software i was looking for
18:55 < ybit> wrldpc2: http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/software/ is worth taking a look at
18:57 < bkero> fenn: Yea, you didn't realize I'm a student? :)
18:57 < bkero> (response to 22:08 < fenn> you're in school?)
18:59 < fenn> i thought you were out in the big bad real world, based on all the jobs and traveling n stuff
19:00 < fenn> fanfold paper
19:01 < fenn> wrldpc2: like a hidden markov model?
19:01 < fenn> wrldpc2: i think you will find they write acceptable poetry
19:01 < fenn> but.. that's the only thing they write
19:03 < fenn> bah. monty used to be a HMM bot, but now it's just some Eliza crap
19:06 < fenn> wrldpc2: look up "megahal" if you want to know more
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19:12 < ybit> also http://electro-music.com/forum/forum-112.html is of interest
19:12 < ybit> argh
19:12 < fenn> "saggy jackhammering RandFig belongs to fat fine bitches!" -monty
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19:19 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Data
19:19 < ybit> that's what i was looking for
19:19 < fenn> yep it's neato
19:20 < ybit> chuck and csound are related
19:21 < fenn> puredata was a lot easier to understand
19:22 < ybit> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/
19:22 < fenn> i did some puredata tutorial where they recreated natural sounds using functional synthesis, and explained the physics behind why stuff sounds the way it does
19:22 < fenn> like rain or bells
19:23 < ybit> cool, link? :)
19:23 < fenn> it's been years
19:27 < ybit> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~adl/IMG_0436.JPG
19:27 < ybit> :P
19:27 < ybit> it's kanzure in full body form
19:28 < ybit> you're taller than i pictured
19:28 < fenn> ybit: found it http://obiwannabe.co.uk/tutorials/html/tutorials_main.html
19:34 < fenn> ooo coool markov models in procedural sound synthesis http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/papers/proc-audio/node9.html#SECTION00027200000000000000
19:43 < ybit> thanks fenn 
19:43 < fenn> read the 'intro for game designers'
19:52 < ybit> http://createdigitalmusic.com/tag/pure-data/
19:52 < ybit> will do, am off to bed though. have to get up early, friends are wanting me to get out of the house and.. canoe...
19:52 < ybit> among other things
19:53 < ybit> as most every camper knows
19:53  * ybit isn't a camper
19:53 < ybit> just kind of figured it's common sense that most go out to drink or whatnot while camping to make things more interesting
19:54 < ybit> not really my cup of tea but whatever
19:58  * kanzure swims in some beautifulsoup
20:01  * ybit would prefer to swim in that 
20:12 < ybit> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080401150755.htm is what i was looking for earlier 
20:12 < ybit> k, now i'm out
20:12 < ybit> http://music.princeton.edu/~dmitri/ChordGeometries.html
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21:41 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * rb97e797 / results/microfluidic-gene-synthesis.yaml : another example of a search for microfluidics-related papers - http://bit.ly/4f8f85
21:41 < fenn> i think i like "technique" better than "process"
21:42 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZjN64js9s4
21:42 < kanzure> er, nevermind
21:43 < fenn> FAIL
21:56 < fenn> icecream_man: http://fennetic.net/irc/01%20My%20Ice%20Cream%20Man.mp3
22:32 < kanzure> http://bibapp.org/ "The BibApp is a Campus Research Gateway and Expert Finder."
22:33 < kanzure> "# find experts and current collaborations happening on your campus"
22:37 < kanzure> how to write a zotero translator: http://niche.uwo.ca/member-projects/zotero-guide/chapter1.html
22:39 < kanzure> XPathEvaluator is nice
22:44 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * ra6ad5d5 / (18 files in 2 dirs): BSXPath added - http://bit.ly/bqNPu
22:44 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * r17f7da9 / pyscholar.py : various psycholar mods - http://bit.ly/184EfR
22:46 < kanzure> ack misspelled it already?
22:56 < kanzure> with xpath you should be able to just copy and paste from variables in zotero templates
22:56 < kanzure> and get almost equivalent functionality
22:58 < drazak> kanzure: you around?
22:59 < drazak> kanzure: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T29-4RV7Y70-4&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8d6f35d9eb63ab98391e57f0412b370d
22:59 < drazak> can you grab that for me?
23:01  * drazak sits on kanzure 
23:03 < drazak> kanzure: also http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T96-4RJJRBT-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2ab9e6fc0edce3710a863e060ffbb4c9
23:03 < drazak> fenn: or you
23:20 < bkero> Mmm, looks like a bioinformatics/genomics minor->major is in my future.
23:24 < kanzure> in soviet russia, bioinformatics 
23:24 < kanzure> changes to you
23:24 < fenn> bwahahaha
23:33 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * r6ca4d6a / (19 files): threw in some zotero files to convert - http://bit.ly/16MxW1
23:34 < bkero> To graduate in > 4 years though, I'll need to challenge some intro courses
23:39 < drazak> is <4 years you mean?
23:40 < bkero> yea
23:40 < bkero> !s/>/</g
23:41 < drazak> ol
23:51 < drazak> kanzure: does links work good for this, or lynx, or whatever?