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00:00 < kanzure> 768./Photofabrication of Surface Relief Gratings on Azobenzene Polymer Films.pdf
00:00 < kanzure> 660./Extreme impact and cavitation forces of a biological hammer: strike forces of the peacock mantis shrimp Odontodactylus scyllarus.pdf
00:00 < kanzure> 504./Nonlinear structured-illumination microscopy: Wide-field fluorescence imaging with theoretically unlimited resolution GustafssonPNAS102_13081-6_2005.pdf
00:00  * ybit is sleepy and ready for bed... kanzure where are these actually?
00:00 < kanzure> 3104./Adaptation for Soft Whisper Recognition Using a Throat Microphone StanJou-September2004.pdf
00:00 < kanzure> ybit: have only tracked down a few
00:01 < ybit> i'm only seeing a listing
00:01 < ybit> superkuh not have them?
00:01 < kanzure> sure he does
00:02 < kanzure> 4508./000-Bio And Chemistry/A Guide to Protein Isolation - Dennison 2002.pdf
00:02 < ybit> so.. .ask him to give you them?..
00:03 < kanzure> 728./Nanostructured magnetizable materials that switch cells between life and death __Polte2007-JBMT.pdf
00:03 < kanzure> ybit: I think I can find them myself.
00:04 < kanzure> 1296./Successful choice behavior is associated with distinct and coherent network states in anterior cingulate cortex PNAS-2008-Lapish-0804045105.pdf
00:04 < any38932354> Price: Reg. $419.99
00:04 < any38932354> Sale $350.79
00:04 < any38932354> 3M™ PAPR Motor Blower (GVP-100)
00:04 < any38932354> UOM: Each
00:04 < any38932354> Provides a level of air flow that surpasses NIOSH requirements. Depending on headgear and cartridge, the airflow ranges from 7.0-9.5 cfm. This unit weighs only 1.1 pounds and has a life of about 1000 hours.
00:04 < kanzure> 180./Surviving a Steam Rupture.pdf
00:04 < kanzure> NIOSH requirements?
00:04 < any38932354> it's a blower for a air mattress that's being sold for supplied-air hoods
00:04 < any38932354> it's $10 at Kmart
00:05 < fenn> ooo mini thermoacoustic refrigerator. where are these papers from?
00:05 < any38932354> no one is making that fridge at this time, iirc
00:05 < fenn> oh superkuh
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00:35 < any00550854> fenn, anyone, how is my localhost pointing to adsl-69-208-3-29.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net  ? my hosts says it's 127.0.0.1 , but i dns it to 69.208.3.29
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00:36 < any00550854> you can http://adsl-69-208-3-29.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net/  there
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05:48 < splicer> fenn: here?
05:50 < splicer> fenn: what was the word you used yesterday about something like an organization separating? The word that had a negative connotation and I associated to speciation? 
05:50 < splicer> (maybe I should keep logs)
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07:17 < kanzure> splicer: forking
07:18 < kanzure> splicer: the word refers to programming
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08:02 < kanzure> re: legos & regli - http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Using%20assembly%20representations%20to%20enable%20evolutionary%20design%20of%20Lego%20structures%20-%20Regli.pdf
08:02 < kanzure> there were many more documents in the lego_GA folder however from the national design repository (regli's)
08:05 < kanzure> hm that file includes a lego shape grammar
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08:35 < splicer> kanzure: was it as simple as that? "forking is bad"
08:35 < splicer> thanks
08:40 < splicer> i just posted this: http://www.biopunk.org/don-t-bitch-about-it-speciate-t183.html
08:40 < splicer> it's about that
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09:33 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rac5647ee668a / (3 files in 3 dirs): worked on legos, added OCC.BRepAlgoAPI to pymates, wrote some more todo
09:34 < kanzure> splicer: I think you should try an experiment where you instantiate a version control system and then fork it and see what forking does.
09:34 < kanzure> the experiment should take about 5 minutes at most
09:35 < kanzure> splicer: the idea has already got traction from long before my birth
09:36 < splicer> this is not forking, it's evolution
09:36 < splicer> (also worked since before you were born)
09:37 < kanzure> splicer: ok but what I'm saying is that when I say "forking" it has a very particular meaning
09:37 < kanzure> and you can 'experience' this meaning in a more pure way
09:37 < kanzure> than trying to understand my pathetic and terrible explanations
09:38 < kanzure> you can experience it by installing a repository and doing it (forking it)
09:38 < kanzure> see here: http://web.media.mit.edu/~stefie10/technical/illicit_forks.html
09:38 < splicer> you miss my point
09:39 < splicer> my point is don't tell others to do it, get it rolling yourself.
09:40 < splicer> set up the mother of all repositories, if that's the way you think it should be done... avoid forking
09:40 < splicer> let others focus on what's important to them
09:40 < splicer> i have no opinions on how you should build it.... i just think you should do it yourself.
09:41 < splicer> become the goto guy for repositories... as mac and jason have become for diybio
09:42 < kanzure> why the *hell* were passwords stored in plaintext on perlmonks.org? wtf
09:43 < kanzure> splicer: I don't think you understand. it already exists.
09:43 < kanzure> splicer: what's so hard to understand about throwing up a list of projects?
09:43 < kanzure> "here's what the community is working on". very simple.. takes five minutes to type.
09:43 < splicer> what's so hard to understand about 'do it yourself'
09:44 < kanzure> but I've already done it
09:44 < kanzure> what's the problem with that
09:44 < splicer> if you've done it you wouldn't be complaining about it
09:44 < kanzure> um?
09:44 < kanzure> do you know what I am complaining about?
09:45 < splicer> yeah... that others don't put up something you have done on their site
09:45 < kanzure> not really
09:45 < splicer> something you want them to put up
09:45 < kanzure> something they claim they want to put up
09:46 < splicer> i have to go buy an sd card for a netbook
09:46 < splicer> kanzure: do it yourself
09:47 < splicer> put the stuff you want there
09:47 < splicer> i have to go
09:48 < kanzure> splicer: they haven't given me ssh access
09:48 < kanzure> or ftp acess
09:48 < kanzure> *access
09:48 < kanzure> either one would be adequate for putting it up there
09:48 < kanzure> for putting up a page, I mean, or something
10:16 < kanzure> "my brain is computing me" is it?
10:16 < any96811805> it thinks, therefor you are
10:17 < kanzure> "When the world gives you nothing but lemons, learn genetic engineering."
10:50 < splicer> kanzure: I tried to explain this before... I meant do it without diybio, do it yourself.
10:52 < kanzure> why?
10:56 < kanzure> git fsck --lost-found
10:56 < kanzure> dangling commit, dangling blob
10:57 < kanzure> ah
10:58 < kanzure> git merge my-lost-commit-id
10:58  * kanzure sighs
10:58 < fenn> what did you lose anyway
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/google/
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/Cycles.py
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/legos/
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/namespaces-in-python/
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/skdb-packages/
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/zotero/
10:59 < kanzure> sandbox/occ_stl.py
11:04 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r743ce215ae9f / (4 files in 3 dirs): occ_stl from sandbox of doom (slow loading of stl, alternative to import_tools/occ_pyldraw.py), various updates to pymates-todo and assemblies.txt
11:38 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rcc5b767af210 /doc/todo/pymates-todo: updated todo list for 2009-07-30
11:41 < kanzure> fenn: any hints on drawing arrows in OCC? Have you done that yet?
11:41 < fenn> no
11:56 < CIA-43> skdb:  * rb10aa7a2283f /paths.py: fighting with OCC sweeps and crashes randomly.
11:56 < CIA-43> skdb:  * ra94b07c47833 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
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12:33 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r29377799d983 /pymates/pymates.py: committing pymates before I make drastic changes
12:35 < kanzure> displaying arrows (maybe): http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_6303/
12:35 < kanzure> looks kind of long and complicated
12:36 < kanzure> http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_1764/
12:37 < xp_prg> wow did you guys hear about the lego robot arm that did a biology thing?
12:38 < kanzure> it was probably just NXT
12:56 < xp_prg> well it was probably amazing too!
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12:56 < xp_prg> legos are rocking!
13:02 < xp_prg> kanzure you know what would be amazing for you to do?
13:03 < ybit> go on?
13:03 < ybit> btw, that robot arm was pretty sweet
13:04 < xp_prg> it would be amazing if you found all the biology lego stuff and created a howto of how to do biology projects with them
13:04 < ybit> heh, you could do that too..
13:04 < xp_prg> I don't understand how to make a biology project with them though :(
13:07 < kanzure> xp_prg: figure it out
13:07 < kanzure> anyway, that's what we're doing with skdb this week sort of
13:07 < kanzure> figuring out how to load legos into the system
13:07 < xp_prg> sweet!
13:07 < kanzure> python + legos => geekgasm
13:07 < xp_prg> heh
13:07 < xp_prg> is there a python lego api or anything?
13:08 < kanzure> no
13:08 < kanzure> I'm writing one
13:08 < kanzure> it's in skdb, go ahead and clone or pull
13:08 < xp_prg> sweet!
13:08 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git
13:08 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/legos.py
13:09 < kanzure> also: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/
13:19 < kanzure> fenn: please tell me when you get make_arrow() working 
13:20 < ybit> umm
13:20 < ybit> i have found the 'massive communication matrix' which kanzure speaks of
13:20 < ybit> yup
13:20 < ybit> indeed
13:20 < kanzure> ?
13:20 < ybit> exactly as you describe
13:20 < kanzure> it's called Make
13:21 < ybit> it's called emacs+org-mode+gnus+bbdb+scripts
13:21 < kanzure> gnus?
13:21 < kanzure> bbdb?
13:21 < ybit> you are really going to like this
13:21 < ybit> http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/051607-linuxworld-mail-madness.html?page=1
13:22 < ybit> Sending Templated Mail
13:22 < ybit> Here we venture into the gray area of templates and mail. Is it unethical to use Emacs to compose a large number of personalizable messages to people you know? Beats me -- but it saves a lot of repetitive text entry. Even if you cut and paste, even if you insert registers, even if you use keyboard macros, composing individual messages to lots of people takes a lot of time. That's why I wrote this little snippet that makes it easy for me to compose indi
13:22 < ybit> Fortunately, my friends can not only sniff out auto-generated mail but are also the sort to be amused by the Emacs hack behind it. When I used this to confirm the postal addresses of a large number of people (personalizing each message with a note), quite a few friends teased me about Emacs gaining even more artificial intelligence. I had shown them M-x doctor before, and they wondered if that was the logical next step. I also received one intentionall
13:22 < ybit> If you have friends who are likely to know and laugh at the automation, or your friends don't care if you use tricks like that to keep in better touch, go ahead and use the following code. Please do not use this for evil. 
13:23 < ybit> sacha chua
13:23 < ybit> is elite emacs hax0r
13:23  * ybit emails her for scripts
13:24 < kanzure> how would orgs-mode be integrated into that?
13:24 < kanzure> to me, making a make script seems easier at this point
13:24 < ybit> org-mode is god to me right now
13:24 < ybit> it's part of everything
13:25 < ybit> but since you ask...
13:25 < kanzure> I do
13:25 < ybit> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.php#sec-12
13:25 < ybit> Link to Gnus messages by Message-Id 
13:25 < ybit> In a recent thread on the Org-Mode mailing list, there was some discussion about linking to Gnus messages without encoding the folder name in the link. The following code hooks in to the store-link function in Gnus to capture links by Message-Id when in nnml folders, and then provides a link type "mid" which can open this link. The mde-org-gnus-open-message-link function uses the mde-mid-resolve-methods variable to determine what Gnus backends to scan.
13:25 < ybit> It has only been tested with a single nnml backend, so there may be bugs lurking here and there.
13:25 < kanzure> is that lisp?
13:25 < ybit> The logic for finding the message was adapted from an Emacs Wiki article. 
13:25 < ybit> elisp
13:25 < kanzure> ackkk
13:26 < ybit> the emacs dialect of lisp
13:26 < ybit> emacs-lisp*
13:27 < ybit> your welcome
13:27 < ybit> gnus is massive indeed
13:30 < CIA-43> skdb:  * r3083e8b58be1 /paths.py: make_arrow... fuck you OCC
13:31 < CIA-43> skdb:  * ra586ca8963d8 /paths.py: oops
13:51 < kanzure> Handle_Geom_TrimmedCurve?
13:51 < kanzure> why don't I just get a Handle_Geom_Curve ?
13:55 < kanzure> https://svn.physiomeproject.org/svn/cmiss/cmgui/branches/cmgui-cad/prototype/visualisation/occpartfactory.cpp
13:55 < kanzure> according to that document,
13:55 < kanzure> BRepBuilderAPI_MakeEdge should be able to handle Handle_Geom_TrimmedCurve
14:06 < ybit> hmmm... the only place to work on an aritificial hippocampus: berger's lab
14:06 < ybit> as a grad student
14:06 < ybit> grrr
14:07 < ybit> where's the replication that i've come to (not) expect in science
14:08 < kanzure> the artificial hippocampus was more like a DSP, IIRC
14:09 < kanzure> not sure how it was implanted (or if it ever was)
14:09 < ybit> yup
14:09 < ybit> i can't recall if it has been tested in rats yet
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14:16 < ybit> i was discussing el futuro with ev yesterday.. what's needed for distributed p2p research for say developing what berger is doing is, you guessed it, infrastructure
14:16 < ybit> it's not there, skdb can definitely help
14:17 < ybit> this type of research is good for maybe not being the first to get results but insuring that everyone has access to what comes of it
14:18 < kanzure> line 452 in topology_local_operations.py is interesting
14:19 < kanzure> gp_GTrsf()
14:19 < kanzure> gtrf = gp_GTrsf()
14:20 < kanzure> gtrf.SetTrsf(transform)
14:20 < kanzure> tr = BRepBuilderAPI_GTransform(something.Shape(), grtf, True)
14:29 < ybit> areer Profile: What do Biomedical Engineers do?
14:29 < ybit> Biomedical engineers combine biology, medicine, and engineering and use advanced knowledge of engineering and science to solve medical and health-related problems. Biomedical engineers design massive MRI machines along with the microscopic machines used in surgery. They research and develop prostheses, evaluate the use of artificial organs, and improve instrumentation used in hospitals and clinics.
14:29 < ybit> all closed source
14:30 < ybit> unless in a research lab in which they are researching alternatives to traditional methods for medical devices
14:31 < ybit> the artificial hippocampus has yet to be placed inside a rat
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14:39 < flazmot> hippie campus
14:41 < ybit> flazmot: you're in georgia?
14:41 < kanzure> she forgot :(
14:42 < ybit> :P
14:42 < ybit> flazmot: you're of the female gender?..
14:42 < ybit> i'm starting to become less surprised when i see a woman interested in open hardware/h+
14:42 < ybit> which is kind of neat
14:42 < kanzure> ybit: flazmot has been here all along
14:43 < ybit> ?
14:43 < kanzure> ybit: check yer logs
14:43 < ybit> as a diff username?
14:43 < ybit> hmm
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14:43 < kanzure> oh wait, nevermind
14:43 < kanzure> flazmot: please forgive me
14:47 < ybit> openluna and artemis need to combine maybe
14:47 < ybit> openluna artemis and luf
14:47 < kanzure> fenn: yes make_vertex() works correctly
14:51 < ybit> or not
14:53 < kanzure> openluna and artemis are both being rallied by charles f. radley so they are practically already 'joined' or something
14:53 < ybit> glad to know
14:53 < xp_prg> when you say something is due to something do you say do or due?
14:54 < ybit> kanzure: how did you become aware of openluna btw?
14:54 < ybit> xp_prg: due
14:54  * xp_prg hugs ybit
14:54 < ybit> er... dictionary
14:59 < flazmot> hmm
15:06 < kanzure> ybit: by randomly stalking open source space initiatives in 2007
15:06 < ybit> :)
15:07 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r1111fa2227f5 /pymates/ (pymates.py rapid-test.py): make_vertex and show_interface_arrows added to pymates. remember to use radians and math.pi please.
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15:09 < kanzure> hello embraceunity 
15:09 < kanzure> embraceunity: so you've been making reprap'd lego parts?
15:10 < embraceunity> well
15:10 < embraceunity> i intend to
15:10 < kanzure> we've been adding legos to skdb recently
15:10 < embraceunity> im just playing with the reprap parts themselves
15:10 < embraceunity> which are close enought to legos
15:10 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/legos.py <-- take a look at the classes.
15:10 < kanzure> maybe there's something that you'll see and fix or see and like lots
15:10 < embraceunity> nice
15:11 < embraceunity> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=30852322&id=108300557&ref=mf
15:11 < embraceunity> its me!
15:13  * ybit is already friends with you on facebook
15:13  * ybit doesn't recall how
15:13 < ybit> 43 friends in common
15:13 < embraceunity> hahaha
15:13 < ybit> http://facebook/heathmatlock
15:13 < kanzure> 26 friends in common
15:13 < embraceunity> yea you added me awhile back
15:13 < embraceunity> like a few weeks ago
15:14 < embraceunity> sent a message about diyh+
15:14 < ybit> interesting
15:14 < embraceunity> found me in the facebook group
15:14 < ybit> _the_ facebook group?
15:14  * ybit is confused
15:14 < embraceunity> there is a diyh+ facebook group
15:14 < ybit> ah
15:14 < embraceunity> which nobody is active in
15:14 < ybit> so a few days ago
15:14 < kanzure> that's because we're all active in here
15:14 < embraceunity> yea
15:14 < ybit> yup
15:14 < embraceunity> irc > facebook
15:14 < embraceunity> facebook = proprietary crap
15:15 < embraceunity> addictive proprietary crap
15:15  * ybit doesn't understand how college students have money to make a reprap 
15:16 < kanzure> ybit: some college students have these things called "scholarships"
15:16 < kanzure> fenn: DisplayColoredShape(shape,'RED')
15:16 < ybit> i have a thing called grant, but even then i only get about 1,500 left over each semester
15:17 < ybit> two semesters could probably pay for a reprap
15:17 < kanzure> ybit: people who get full rides are getting $40k/semester apparently
15:17 < ybit> o.O
15:17 < kanzure> I'm sorry
15:17 < kanzure> $40k/year
15:17 < ybit> but that's for expensive schools
15:17 < kanzure> not really
15:18 < kanzure> but that's what I tell myself so that I can sleep at night
15:18 < ybit> no? huh
15:18 < ybit> evergreen state i think is $30k/year
15:18  * ybit had considered going there sometime ago
15:18 < ybit> when i didn't care about grades
15:19 < ybit> still don't but now i take it as an insult if i don't get an A
15:19 < ybit> so i tend to bust my arse off
15:22 < embraceunity> i was able to begin my reprap in college, because i have been frugal since the age of 7
15:22 < embraceunity> it is in my blood or something
15:23 < embraceunity> but cmon, repraps are cheap
15:23 < ybit> $3k.. cheap?
15:23 < embraceunity> no
15:23 < embraceunity> more like 500
15:23 < embraceunity> if you build it yourself
15:23 < embraceunity> and with this z-axis hack im doing
15:23 < embraceunity> it is at least... 50 bucks cheapers
15:23 < embraceunity> haha
15:24 < ybit> wasn't smari that said that it costs $3k... /me greps
15:24 < ybit> +it
15:24 < embraceunity> that is totally wrong
15:24 < embraceunity> i mean you can get a completely built one on makerbot
15:24 < embraceunity> for 2.5k
15:24 < embraceunity> but most of that is labor
15:25 < embraceunity> the full kit un-built is a little over 1k
15:25 < embraceunity> but that is because they are makerbot, and have special laser cut parts
15:25 < embraceunity> i was shipped the 5th batch of reprapped parts
15:25 < embraceunity> http://blog.reprap.org/2009/07/repstrapping-open-source-ecology.html
15:26 < embraceunity> http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2009/07/hydraraptors-second-child.html
15:26 < embraceunity> not having to pay for those parts
15:26 < embraceunity> brought the cost down considerably
15:27 < embraceunity> the only thing that kind of sucked is that i didn't already have a soldering kit or surface mounting kit
15:27 < embraceunity> which made it 100 dollars more
15:27 < ybit> hmm, grepping fails me
15:27 < embraceunity> but since im donating this reprap to Factor e Farm, and will begin another one for Jata soon afterwards, and maybe another for me.... im sure the soldering stuff will get good use
15:27 < embraceunity> it is a fixed cost
15:28 < ybit> i originally was thinking it costs $700 or so until i was told by someone who has one that it would costs nearly $3k
15:28 < ybit> ..usd
15:28 < kanzure> embraceunity: jata said that a friend is shipping her a reprap 
15:28 < ybit> maybe that's for the bits and bytes laser cutting machine?..
15:28 < kanzure> she said that a few days ago actually
15:28 < embraceunity> 700 might be correct for someone who doesnt own any soldering equipment, isn't using the z-axis hack, and has high shipping costs
15:28 < kanzure> are you sure that she doesn't already have one?
15:29 < embraceunity> maybe this is new
15:29 < embraceunity> i havent spoken to her about it in awhile
15:32 < embraceunity> in any event, Mendel will probably be out soon... so hopefully the next one I build will be a sexy version 2.0 one
15:37 < CIA-43> skdb:  * r038326791391 /paths.py: i declare make_arrow finished! now what is it doing in this file?
15:37 < CIA-43> skdb:  * rf815d053e2d5 /pymates/ (pymates.py rapid-test.py): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
15:37 < kanzure> er, what did you do to pymates.py?
15:37 < kanzure> just a merge ok
15:40 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r37265a38048b /doc/ (proposals/legos.py todo/pymates-todo): legos.py made to be slightly more compatible with pymates in the future; pymates-todo updated
15:42 < kanzure> Eric Hunting just learned about http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/ ? wtf.
15:44 < fenn> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing+++++++http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/+&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
16:06 < CIA-43> skdb:  * rbf475b24c067 /paths.py: add some demo text (yeah it sucks) and fix silly bugs
16:48 < draz|lab> can someone help me find a list of proteins uniquely expressed in cardiomyocytes
17:04 < kanzure> can you give us the cell line ID?
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17:20 < drazak> kanzure: HL-1
17:27 < kanzure> heh not easy to search with
17:27 < drazak> yeah
17:28 < drazak> I'm trying to find a more modern equivelent cell line
17:28 < drazak> you can't even find the media that they used in the paper saying how they isolated HL-1s
17:28 < kanzure> have you checked Nature Protocols?
17:29 < drazak> not yet
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17:30 < drazak> nope
17:41 < kanzure> paper requests should be added to adl:/var/www/to-get.txt from now on
17:41 < kanzure> not sure about the format of the file however
17:46 < kanzure> fenn: any ideas why the coordinate axises are not being shown in pymates/pymates.py or pymates/rapid-test.py or even in pymates/shell.sh ?
17:46 < kanzure> the pythonOCC demos do not do anything out of the ordinary to make it display
17:47 < drazak> kanzure: we should setup a free ticketing thing to put paper and book requests in
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17:47 < kanzure> drazak: ticketing?
17:48 < kanzure> drazak: pyscholar should (eventually) be able to parse /var/www/papers/to-get.txt
17:48 < kanzure> oh crap
17:48 < kanzure> sorry.. I meant to say /var/www/papers/to-get.txt earlier
17:48 < kanzure> not /var/www/to-get.txt
17:49 < drazak> ok
17:49 < drazak> but right now it can't
17:50 < kanzure> actually it can if we want it to
17:50 < kanzure> we just have to decide on the input format
17:50 < kanzure> it is able to fetch PDFs from Google Scholar at the moment
17:50 < kanzure> and there's a partially working ScienceDirect scraper
17:50 < kanzure> this covers a lot of ground, but not the edge cases
17:50 < kanzure> so this is a good start IMHO
17:52 < drazak> then figure out a format :P
17:52 < kanzure> wah
17:52 < drazak> I need to work on a research proposal for what I want to do, IE: finding the best conditions for conditioning MSC's into cardiomyocyte precursors
17:52 < kanzure> m-something stem cells?
17:53 < drazak> mesencymal
17:53 < drazak> bone marrow derived
17:53 < kanzure> why not induced pluripotent stem cells?
17:53 < kanzure> that way you have a common baseline from nearly anything
17:54 < kanzure> and lots of people are going to be using iPSCs in their work more frequently now
17:55  * kanzure installs pyscholar on adl
17:56  * kanzure wonders why he calls davinci 'adl'
17:57 < drazak> wellllll
17:58 < drazak> because it's what the lab is working with
17:58 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * rfc3be3f / sciencedirect-notes.py : namespace fix - http://bit.ly/3DprS
17:58 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * r3682ee0 / (43 files in 7 dirs): moving stuff around - http://bit.ly/vQFfR
17:58 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * rfcdcd2c / (8 files in 2 dirs): cleaning up the main directory - http://bit.ly/ZP4I6
17:58 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * raaec9f8 / (30 files in 2 dirs): moved test data - http://bit.ly/kD5db
17:58 < drazak> we've already proved that they can stave off heart failure in TO-2 mice
17:58 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * r68c99c5 / tests/tests.py : unit tests - http://bit.ly/22u9Hk
17:58 < kanzure> wtf
17:58 < kanzure> oh, I guess I didn't push to github in a while
17:58 < kanzure> drazak: okay.
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18:20 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r04c9cf71648b /pymates/ (interface.py part.py pymates.py): cleaned up pymates. added docstrings. removed old/useless methods.
18:24 < kanzure> gee it's nice when things work
18:24 < fenn> whee
18:25 < kanzure> I meant the code, not you :p
18:25 < fenn> "Sensitive files including Secret Service safehouse locations, military rosters, and IRS tax returns can still be found on file-sharing networks...
18:25 < fenn> In many cases, that's because federal government employees or contractors installed peer-to-peer software on their computers without paying attention to which documents would be shared"
18:25 < drazak> kanzure: can it pull all the reviews? on mesencyhmal stem cells and then name them via their titles?
18:25 < kanzure> some slashdotters thought it might be a hoax in an attempt to make up excuses for banning p2p whistleblowing on government networks
18:25 < fenn> " That led some politicians to announce that new federal laws were necessary to stop inadvertent file sharing."
18:25 < kanzure> drazak: that's the idea.. at the moment it does not download PDFs from google. but it wouldn't be hard to make it do that
18:26 < kanzure> drazak: take a look at adl:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/results/
18:26 < fenn> so we need new laws to protect the government from their own employees?
18:26 < kanzure> drazak: microfluidics-gene-synthesis.yaml and PDMS.yaml are the output of the Google Scholar module
18:26 < drazak> wtf is a yaml?
18:27 < fenn> not a markup language
18:27  * drazak eyerolls
18:27 < kanzure> drazak: it's like pickle except not
18:27 < drazak> ok
18:27 < drazak> well, it'd be cool if it could do that something before the end of the weekend
18:27 < drazak> :P
18:28 < kanzure> drazak: could you add a list of queries that you want me to run to pyscholar/tests/
18:28 < drazak> sure
18:28 < kanzure> preferably, move to your ~ on adl and git clone
18:28 < kanzure> and then commit the list
18:28 < kanzure> and then I'll clone
18:29 < kanzure> er, pull
18:29 < fenn> '"the nuclear option is to block the Gnutella protocol" on a national basis.' LOL
18:29 < drazak> git clone... what?
18:29 < kanzure> drazak: git clone /home/bryan/code/pyscholar/
18:30 < drazak> yeah, got it
18:30 < kanzure> actually I guess you could commit it from my code directory
18:30 < kanzure> and it should preserve your user information
18:30 < drazak> I don't know shit about git
18:30 < drazak> so in tests/requests.txt?
18:30 < kanzure> yes please
18:30 < kanzure> then do: "git add tests/requests.txt"
18:30 < kanzure> then do: "git commit"
18:31 < kanzure> then do: "kanzure you fucktard! pull!"
18:31 < kanzure> this way I'll have something to test pyscholar's google scholar wrapper on :) some nice juicy queries, I hope
18:31 < kanzure> nothing particularly crazy please .. i.e., something that preferably will turn up some results heh'
18:32 < drazak> they should all pull results
18:33 < drazak> drazak@dhcp-84-253:~/pyscholar/tests$ git commit
18:33 < drazak> [master 62c6715] Drazak's requests 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) create mode 100644 tests/requests.txt
18:33 < drazak> cia doesn't report for me apparently
18:33 < fenn> cia only reports changes on github (which only kanzure has write access to) or skdb
18:33 < drazak> ah
18:34 < kanzure> also, it wouldn't announce your changes anyway
18:34 < kanzure> since you git clone'd
18:34 < kanzure> and cia is some extra config
18:35 < drazak> ah
18:35 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * r5147b17 / tests/tests.py : fixed a typo error in tests.py - http://bit.ly/Ig1yn
18:35 < CIA-43> pyscholar: drazak master * r62c6715 / tests/requests.txt : Drazak's requests - http://bit.ly/IAjYe
18:35 < drazak> ah
18:45 < kanzure> some nice discussions happening on zotero-dev
18:46 < kanzure> ybit: will you post orgs-mode+gnus+bbds to diytranshumanist?
18:49 < drazak> kanzure: could you parse the requests file so that I could have a section, you could, fenn could, etc, and then have it put them in ~user/public_html/papers ?
18:49 < drazak> in a folder under the  name of the request
18:50 < kanzure> drazak: which requests file
18:50 < kanzure> tests/requests.txt or /var/www/papers/to-get.txt ?
18:50 < kanzure> drazak: actually, why not put it in ~user/public_html/papers/requests.txt ?
18:50 < kanzure> and then I'll just look for users that have requests
18:51 < kanzure> not sure about the "in a folder under the name of the request" part though.
18:51 < drazak> that'd work
18:51 < drazak> ok
18:52 < kanzure> neat
18:52 < drazak> so the request is, say, "mesenchymal stem cells" have it make a folder named mesenchymal_stem_cells and then put the scraped papers in tehre
18:52 < kanzure> I think the request should be more specific
18:52 < kanzure> gimme a sec
18:52 < drazak> instead of lumping them into ~/papers/
18:53 < kanzure> oh, sure
18:53 < kanzure> yeah there's also /var/www/papers/unsorted/ btw where humans have not ventured yet
18:55 < drazak> that's a good idea
18:55 < kanzure> ok check out adl:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/doc/proposals/to-get.yaml
18:55 < kanzure> how about that format?
18:56 < drazak> there's no such file
18:57 < kanzure> huh
18:57 < kanzure> well I pushed
18:57 < drazak> drazak@dhcp-84-253:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/doc$ ls
18:57 < drazak> TODO
18:58 < kanzure> yeah I see the same thing on the server
18:58 < drazak> need to pull on the server
18:58 < kanzure> no, I pushed from where I am at the moment to the server
18:58 < kanzure> which usually works .. hrm.
18:58 < drazak> welllllllllllllll it didn't! :P
18:59 < kanzure> ok check again
18:59 < kanzure> for some reason "git status" on adl said "deleted: proposals/to-get.yaml"
18:59 < kanzure> so I had to do "git reset --hard"
19:00 < drazak> we have to limit it to 10 results?
19:00 < drazak> I wanted all of them :P
19:00 < drazak> that way I could get them instantly when I'm not at work
19:00 < kanzure> I just randomly typed 10, sorry :p
19:00 < drazak> oh, ok :)
19:00 < drazak> could 0 be all?
19:00 < kanzure> google does 10 to 100 results per page
19:00 < kanzure> why not just say "all"
19:00 < kanzure> instead of "10"
19:01 < drazak> oh, sounds good
19:01 < kanzure> :)
19:01 < drazak> :)
19:02 < kanzure> on zotero-dev, bruce and I were talking about making a new standard for some scrapers
19:02 < drazak> and the it'll put it into ~$requester/public_html/papers/
19:02 < kanzure> there should be a separation of the scraper that maps attributes to xpaths
19:02 < drazak> and the it'll put it into ~$requester/public_html/papers/$query/ that is
19:02 < kanzure> and then there should be a separate way to say, "this is how you clean up the data that you harvested"
19:02 < kanzure> because typically there are certain special things you have to do with the data
19:02 < kanzure> and in each language it varies slightly differently
19:03 < kanzure> in javascript versus python, the string manipulation routines are different
19:03 < kanzure> maybe a regular expression would be adequate, maybe nto
19:03 < kanzure> *not
19:05 < drazak> kanzure: requester should be self evident though,  because it should pull the requester from the ~ that the request file is in
19:06 < kanzure> okay
19:06 < kanzure> in yaml, all of these attributes are optional
19:06 < kanzure> that's the beauty of yaml
19:06 < kanzure> so you don't even need to have a "date" attribute there
19:06 < kanzure> but if you wanted a reminder for when it was put in as a request, well, there you go
19:07 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rb8dcd0d7fe8c /pymates/models/ (blockhole.yaml peg.yaml): got the rotations right this time I hope
19:08 < drazak> ah
19:08 < ybit> kanzure: yeah, will do it shortly. heading to my bro's house will have time to do it then
19:08 < drazak> kanzure:  should I commit a revised requests.txt?
19:09 < kanzure> drazak: sure
19:10 < drazak> done
19:12 < kanzure> cool
19:12 < kanzure> I hate your date format :p
19:12 < drazak> lol
19:12 < drazak> how would you prefer it? :P
19:13 < drazak> I did it that way because when we save shit at work wehave to do it like that
19:13 < drazak> CURSED WINDOWS
19:14 < kanzure> it's ok, I fixed it
19:14 < drazak> :P
19:14 < CIA-43> pyscholar: kanzure master * rc6124fa / doc/proposals/to-get.yaml : proposal for to-get file format - http://bit.ly/K42pZ
19:14 < CIA-43> pyscholar: drazak master * r1ba6194 / tests/requests.txt : Revised requests file for correct format - http://bit.ly/16Kjyt
19:14 < CIA-43> pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * rbfe40ce / doc/proposals/common-scrapers.txt : common-scrapers.txt - http://bit.ly/uIFQu
19:14 < CIA-43> pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * r2e9a233 / tests/requests.txt : Merge /home/bryan/../drazak/pyscholar - http://bit.ly/WpPE0
19:14 < CIA-43> pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * r0ae215d / tests/requests.txt : fixed drazak crap :p - http://bit.ly/zwXTq
19:16 < drazak> hey I has no crap!
19:23 < drazak> well, just hilight me on irc when you get it to scrape for my requested papers
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19:30 < kanzure> http://buildyourcnc.com/blacktoe.aspx
19:31 -!- fenn changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: cool, practical, legal; pick two
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19:47 < ybit-scanning> i've considered holding off on posting something to diyh+, but i will go ahead and post something
19:47 < ybit-scanning> i can post my screencasts later
19:48 < ybit-scanning> i was thinking screencasts might be more helpful for those not familiar with emacs/gnus/bbdb/org
19:49 < ybit-scanning> that's what i was thinking of on the way to this house at least
20:08 < ybit-scanning> ack, my arm is starting to hurt. i may have injured myself scanning a book :P
20:08 < drazak> lol
20:09 < kanzure> maybe you should sue the book company for endangerment
20:10 < drazak> :P
20:12 < ybit-scanning> http://www.rewardprograms.org/thefreegeek/features/the_diy_guide_to_becoming_a_real_cyborg.html
20:13 < fenn> ybit-scanning: it's probably emac's crippling keybindings :P
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20:16 < ybit-scanning> fenn: :P
20:16 < ybit-scanning> and voila problem solved
20:17 < ybit-scanning> it was coming from having to hold the book on the scanner so that it didn't fall off and so that the scanner could scan all the pages... with a little thinking, the problem has been resolved
20:17 < ybit-scanning> \o/
20:17 < drazak> C-x C-m C-hurtme
20:18 < fenn> you used your robotic alarm clock to prop the book up
20:18 < ybit-scanning> fenn: something like that
20:18 < ybit-scanning> drazak: you got it all wrong
20:19 < ybit-scanning> C-x C-m C-bdsm
20:19 < fenn> C-x C-m butterflies-attack!
20:19 < drazak> :P
20:19 < kanzure> damn emacs users clogging up my tubes
20:20 < ybit-scanning> that's what she said
20:20 < fenn> does emacs have a TCP/IP stack?
20:22 < ybit-scanning> dunno
20:22 < ybit-scanning> haven't checked
20:23 < drazak> hmm, what are good places to print 1350 pages for free?
20:24 < drazak> universities somewhere?
20:25 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM
20:25 < ybit-scanning> drazak: unsuspecting friends
20:25 < drazak> ybit-scanning: lol
20:25 < ybit-scanning> or work @ a library. i know i abused our laser printer there until they finally started making employees pay if it was 20 pages or more
20:25 < drazak> I don't know if my work would be happy with me doing that
20:26  * drazak is new
20:29 < fenn> lots of university students have leftover printing allotments at the end of the year/semester
20:29 < fenn> but why would you want to print all that?
20:29 < drazak> so I can put it all into a big binder so I can refer to it without finding the fucking paper again
20:29 < drazak> and seperate every paper by a divider thing
20:29 < fenn> here's a hint: put your pdf's in directories
20:30 < drazak> that doesn't help me much :P
20:30 < drazak> that means I have to have a computer I can log into
20:30 < fenn> put them on a DVD?
20:30 < fenn> you DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER?
20:30 < drazak> I can't log into the shite at work for like 5 months
20:30 < drazak> they take forever to put people into the system
20:30 < fenn> get a netbook; they're 99 times more powerful than a 1990's computer and only cost $200
20:30 < kanzure> bring a laptop?
20:31 < kanzure> ok. netbook.
20:31 < drazak> yeah
20:31 < drazak> I think that's what I'm gonna start doing
20:31 < fenn> and likely to never break, unlike laptops
20:31 < drazak> but I prefer hardcopy
20:31 < drazak> :S
20:31  * drazak oldschool
20:31 < fenn> in which case i suggest getting a stone engraving machine
20:31 < fenn> Because You Never Know
20:31 < drazak> lol
20:32 < drazak> I'm just gonna print them over a long time
20:32 < drazak> I won't know what I want until friday anyway
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20:59 < ybit>  b
21:04 < kanzure> ?
21:09 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: so, what equipment have you built or do you have laying around?
21:09 < Ian_Daniher> Over the past few years, I've obtained 
21:10 < Ian_Daniher> 7 100ml beakers, a handful of pyrex testtubes, a 10ml and 100ml graduated cyl, a large selection of vacuum flasks
21:10 < Ian_Daniher> a 1L 3 necked flask
21:10 < Ian_Daniher> I'm working on an overhead stirrer and a chloralkali cell 
21:10 < kanzure> there was this great article once about how to do easy glassblowing "in the name of science"
21:10 < Ian_Daniher> hm
21:11 < kanzure> so, quick question
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> I have a couple dozen 10cm soda-lime glasses
21:11 < kanzure> do you use linux ever?
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> for glassblowing special apparatus
21:11 < fenn> it's not like you can't just use pyrex measuring cups
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> yes, I use arch linux on my netbook
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> and I use debian on my XO laptop
21:11 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: do you know about "apt-get"? I don't know what arch has. archer, maybe
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> and on my server
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> yeah, I'm familiar with apt-get
21:11 < kanzure> okay I'll take that as a yes
21:11 < Ian_Daniher> and apt-cache
21:11 < kanzure> well heres the project plan in here
21:11 < kanzure> apt-get but for hardware :)
21:11 < kanzure> apt-get me a damn chemical vapor deposition machine
21:12 < Ian_Daniher> hrm
21:12 < Ian_Daniher> content management system for FOSH?
21:12 < kanzure> not really a CMS
21:12 < Ian_Daniher> coupled with a rep-rap type machine?
21:12 < fenn> any day now and we'll be able to print instructions for assembling legos :P
21:12 < fenn> but it's general enough to expand to anything
21:12 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: coupled to any type of manufacturing equipment
21:12 < fenn> so for instance if you don't have enough legos it will print them out on your reprap
21:12 < Ian_Daniher> huh
21:12 < Ian_Daniher> cool
21:13 < kanzure> so yeah, chemical hardware would be awesome to add to the packages
21:13 < Ian_Daniher> very cool
21:13 < fenn> what's a 3 necked flask for?
21:13 < fenn> all i know is they're illegal in texas
21:13 < Ian_Daniher> any DIY Bio Bostonians in here?
21:13 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: wrldpc and a few others
21:13 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: used for some complex organic syntheses
21:14 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: and, as with most pieces of labware, they're useful for the synthesis of amphetamine-class street drugs
21:14 < fenn> is there such a thing as a chemical experiment cell? so you dont have to stick your face right next to the boiling vat of explosive carcinogenic acid
21:14 < Ian_Daniher> automating chemical syntheses?
21:15 < fenn> ideally i'd just program in some parameters and watch it go
21:15 < kanzure> well, there's a few ideas for doing that with microfluidics
21:15 < Ian_Daniher> it's something I have a lot of interest in
21:15 < kanzure> like "print out a factory on a CD"
21:15 < Ian_Daniher> except on a microindustrial scale
21:15 < kanzure> right
21:15 < Ian_Daniher> above that of microfluidics
21:15 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: do you know about retrosynthetic analysis?
21:15 < kanzure> it's a way of figuring out how to go from "some complex gnarly chemical" to something simpler
21:15  * Ian_Daniher googles
21:15 < kanzure> so that you can go from simple compounds to more complex compounds
21:15 < kanzure> so, with the right automated design tools,
21:16 < kanzure> you could literally "print" out a factory that synthesizes some gnarly chemical
21:16 < Ian_Daniher> huh
21:16 < Ian_Daniher> that's a really interesting concept
21:16 < kanzure> it won a nobel prize in the 60s IIRC
21:16 < Ian_Daniher> cool
21:17 < Ian_Daniher> my interests have been artificially focused around the synthesis of reagents due to the immense difficulties in procuring chemicals in today's day and age
21:17 < kanzure> maybe it's easier to have just a few square meters of chemlab than it is to duplicate Dow's hundred thousand acres
21:17 < kanzure> right
21:17 < Ian_Daniher> so the scale I've been studying most is the microindustrial scale of tens or hundreds of MLs
21:17 < Ian_Daniher> studying/working on
21:18 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidics/ might be of interest to you.
21:18 < kanzure> Mega liters?
21:18 < fenn> that would be macro-industrial
21:18 < Ian_Daniher> ml
21:18 < Ian_Daniher> mea culpa
21:18 < kanzure> shame on you
21:18 < Ian_Daniher> mL?
21:18 < fenn> ml
21:18 < Ian_Daniher> indeed.
21:18 < kanzure> I'd prefer mega however
21:18 < kanzure> so feel free to do that
21:19 < Ian_Daniher> haha. I see more merit in multiple ml-scale reactors in each household or lab than I do with a small handful of ML reactors
21:19 < kanzure> purification seems to be the bottleneck at the moment
21:20 < fenn> instrumentation too
21:20 < Ian_Daniher> the loss in efficiency for downscaling is partially made up via reduced transportation costs, and a decentralized infrastructure is harder to hurt and signficiantly more conducive to the hobbiest
21:20 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: why did you ask about distillation apparatus?
21:20 < kanzure> recent obsession with purification equipment
21:20 < Ian_Daniher> haha
21:20 < Ian_Daniher> why?
21:21 < kanzure> because one of our projects in here is to do diy DNA synthesis
21:21 < fenn> distillation is pretty easy
21:21 < fenn> i dont think it works for stuff like nucleotides though
21:21 < kanzure> right
21:21  * Ian_Daniher agrees
21:22 < Ian_Daniher> reduced pressure steam distillation maybe?
21:22 < fenn> i think you need special "resins" whatever that means
21:22 < kanzure> column chromatography should be fine. but distillation was just a side-venture I guess.
21:23 < ybit-scanning> bastards, i think they may have cancelled my domain by accident
21:25 < ybit-scanning> Org Agenda + Appt + Zenity
21:26 < ybit-scanning> ""Russell Adams posted this setup on the list. It make sure your agenda appointments are known by Emacs, and it displays warnings in a zenity popup window. "
21:27 < ybit-scanning> that may be of interest in alerting you that you haven't sent an email to so and so
21:27 < ybit-scanning> especially if you start using emacs for everything which it seems i'm starting to do
21:32 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r5547ecb4d78a /pymates/pymates.py: screw everything up
21:32 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r5933f5b0c72e /pymates/models/peg.yaml: more yaml changes
21:32 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * r0b305bd878bf / (7 files in 3 dirs): pymates.py has now been verified to be working. changed some numbers around in the models.
21:33 < fenn> so, does the lego stuff go in pymates?
21:33 < kanzure> or does pymates go into the lego stuff?
21:33 < kanzure> I think lego->pymates
21:33 < fenn> oo that's deep man
21:34 < kanzure> it's only 9 inches
21:34 < fenn> typical philosopher turn you on your head technique
21:34 < kanzure> were you asking a different question?
21:34 < fenn> is pymates supposed to be a general purpose interface compatibility engine?
21:35 < kanzure> yes
21:36 < fenn> erm. so, uh. shouldn't the general classes from lego go in pymates, and the rest get put into a new lego package?
21:36 < fenn> lego.py i mean
21:36 < kanzure> yes
21:38 < kanzure> lego should probably inherit from pymates.Part
21:38 < kanzure> er, Lego
21:38 < kanzure> and really pymates.Part should eventually become skdb.Part
21:38 < kanzure> but let's not worry about that right now
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21:46 < ybit-scanning> argh, hate repeating myself
21:47 < ybit-scanning> did it in the diyh+ email, guess i'm tired
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21:48 < kanzure> ybit died :(
21:49 < fenn> can't i just do from pymates import Part (in skdb.py)
21:50 < kanzure> yes
21:50 < kanzure> er, maybe not.
21:50 < kanzure> from pymates.part import Part
21:51 < fenn> you'd put stuff in a separate python file?
21:51 < fenn> what is the point of one class per file?
21:52 < kanzure> you'd rather say from pymates.pymates import Part ?
21:52 < fenn> no i'd rather say from pymates import Part
21:52 < kanzure> why would that work if it's in pymates/pymates.py
21:52 < fenn> because your __init__.py includes everything
21:52 < kanzure> oh right
21:53 < kanzure> you can already say that actually
21:53 < kanzure> "from pymates import Part"
21:53 < kanzure> so nevermind
21:53 < kanzure> have fun
21:54 < fenn> you know when i rant about not polluting namespaces i dont mean you should have to prefix everything with its absolute path
21:54 < kanzure> oh
21:54 < kanzure> then what do you mean?
21:55  * kanzure hears clicking. indicating pasting..
21:55 < fenn> well for example you could do: display = OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui.display and save a lot of typing
21:55 < kanzure> the other day you admitted that the typing doesn't actually take that long
21:55 < kanzure> or something
21:55 < kanzure> "the other day" being a few weeks ago
21:55 < fenn> well, ok
21:55 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: you mentioned you nearly went to olin; where else did you look / where did you wind up?
21:56 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: http://heybryan.org/school/universities.html is a list of everywhere that I considered
21:56 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: I ended up at the University of Texas at Austin.
21:56 < fenn> it's in pymates.py 14 times, just sayin..
21:57 < Ian_Daniher> looks like heybryan is down
21:57 < CIA-43> skdb: kanzure * rcbcc3418c02c /pymates/ (interface.py mate.py pymates.py): integrated legos.py into pymates, without the Hole and Peg interfaces and Lego class- which should go into its own sepcial package I guess
21:57 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: it just takes forever to load
21:57 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: it's on a residential connection, and I have a retarded ISP
21:58 < fenn> i got 404
21:58 < fenn> <200b/s :(
21:58 < Ian_Daniher> The requested URL /school/universities.html was not found on this server.
21:58 < kanzure> ack
21:59 < kanzure> how dare I forget a link on my own server
21:59 < fenn> have you considered blocking robots access to pdf files?
21:59 < kanzure> how would people download them then?
21:59 < fenn> they would click on it, or instruct their robots to ignore robots.txt
22:01 < fenn> you could also convert pdf to html if you want to lure people in with google
22:01 < kanzure> aha
22:01 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/edu.html
22:01 < fenn> the problem is the robots constantly downloading huge files
22:01 < kanzure> how do you know that
22:01 < fenn> well i don't
22:01 < kanzure> you don't have my webalyzer stats
22:01 < kanzure> secretly it's because of the porn server I'm runninng
22:01 < fenn> "you don't know anything about me!"
22:01 < kanzure> :'(
22:03 < kanzure> ok, robots.txt updated
22:03 < fenn> this is where you're supposed to run into your room and cut yourself, because only the pain eases the pain of being misunderstood
22:03 < Ian_Daniher> oh dear is that slow :P
22:03 < Ian_Daniher> 156b/s
22:03 < Ian_Daniher> I have a residential line and I get 70kbps up :D
22:04 < Ian_Daniher> and we're on a midling plan
22:04 < kanzure> try now?
22:04 < fenn> the cable modem seems to get clogged at >20kB/s
22:05 < kanzure> there's a fan pointing directly at it
22:05 < fenn> i thought this was amusing http://heybryan.org/school/ss/process.txt
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22:06 < kanzure> fenn: it was my old studying routine for history class
22:07 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: you looked at pretty much the same schools I did
22:07 < Ian_Daniher> actually, you looked at significantly more than I did
22:07 < kanzure> that was the plan :)
22:07 < Ian_Daniher> I looked at CWRU, Olin, RPI, UC, and [wishfully] MIT
22:07 < kanzure> MIT told me I wasn't a team player
22:07 < kanzure> so I'm supposed to hate all of you
22:07 < kanzure> rawr
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> ahah
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> *haha
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> ouch
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> I didn't apply to MIT, and I'm legit regretting it, considering Olin is harder to get into than MIT
22:08 < kanzure> my grandmother wanted me to go to olin
22:08 < kanzure> so I decided not to go
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> haha
22:08 < Ian_Daniher> did you apply/get in?
22:08 < kanzure> no
22:09 < kanzure> no
22:09  * Ian_Daniher nods
22:10 < fenn> you let your grandparents opinion change your decision? wtf
22:10 < kanzure> that wasn't my actual decision process, fenn
22:10 < kanzure> but it does get kind of annoying to have suggestions constantly pounded into your head
22:11 < kanzure> unsolicited suggestions, even
22:11 < fenn> Hey you should make a DNA synthesizer out of gum wrappers
22:11 < kanzure> I think I was more of a robot back in school than I am now
22:11 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/Physics.html
22:11  * ybit lives! cue the booing and beer bottle throwing
22:12 < fenn> they used to make this gum with packaging that was sort of like a 96 well plate, except it only had 6 wells
22:12 < kanzure> confusion
22:12 < fenn> </genehacker>
22:12 < kanzure> genehacker is not an XHTML tag, at least not yet anyway
22:13 < Ian_Daniher> it's an XML tag though :P
22:14 < ybit> Ian_Daniher makes a point
22:16 < Ian_Daniher> does anyone else in here attempt to maintain a decently stocked chemical supply room?
22:17  * Ian_Daniher is looking for someone sympathetic to his plight concerning reagent acquisition
22:17 < ybit> you're in the right channel
22:17 < Ian_Daniher> either here or ##chemistry
22:17 < Ian_Daniher> but ironically enough, I've found ##chemistry to be populated by a large number of newbs and noobs
22:19 < ybit> Ian_Daniher: are you looking to exchange or something? what are you asking exactly?
22:20 < Ian_Daniher> ybit: potentially looking to trade, but mostly just looking for someone else who I can talk to about sources and such
22:21  * ybit subscribes to Ian_Daniher on identi.ca
22:21 < Ian_Daniher> ybit: twitter.com/itdaniher
22:21 < ybit> ..and twitter
22:21 < fenn> ew
22:22 < Ian_Daniher> ybit: what's your interest in such things?
22:22  * ybit forgets, it isn't polite to use these words in front of fenn
22:22 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: get over it. twitter has its uses. :P
22:23 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: I admit that twitter is populated by a lot of worthless people talking about worthless events and worthless lives, however, it's useful and interesting from a technical aspect
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22:24 < ybit> Ian_Daniher: eventually i'd like to have scientific work distributed away from the universities to homes; ideally, some collaboration in garages on neuroeng topics 
22:24 < ybit> s/garages/home labs
22:25 < ybit> Ian_Daniher:  you are forgetting that there are such messages on identi.ca too 
22:25 < ybit> "busy busy busy :/"
22:25 < ybit> "Always hardcore."
22:25 < ybit> "winter formal...?"
22:26 < ybit> just so you know :)
22:26 < Ian_Daniher> ybit: twitter/identi.ca feeds into my facebook account. that's my rationalization for tweeting about worthless things :P
22:28 < Ian_Daniher> ybit: and I haven't used identi.ca for a long long time
22:28  * ybit has never used it
22:28 < ybit> just squatting on the username heath
22:28 < Ian_Daniher> haha
22:28 < ybit> just in case i ever decide to use it
22:29 < fenn> yay namespaces
22:29 < fenn> hashtags.. that was another awful idea
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22:37 < genehacker2> kanzure lego robotic arm?
22:39 < kanzure> no
22:39 < ybit> argh, have to go the hospital. later everyone
22:40 < kanzure> be sure to not die
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23:19 < genehacker2> hope he doesn't need a standby team
23:19 < genehacker2> kanzure have you signed up with alcor?
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