--- Day changed Wed Aug 19 2009 00:12 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:20 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:25 < ybit> nice, someone from instructables just sent me the pdf: http://ybit.ath.cx/docs/papers/Build%20a%20Microwave%20Transformer%20Homeade%20Stick%20Arc%20Welder.pdf 00:32 -!- flamoot [n=root@bas1-barrie18-1242376397.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:33 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, compare the power input on a good growlbox to that of a microwave oven transformer 00:34 < katsmeow-afk> my gowlbox kicks a 30amp 240v breaker when doing serious welding , you can't put that much into a nukebox xformer 00:43 < katsmeow-afk> he talks about 1/16 rods, 3/32 rods, and 1/8 rods , i burn thru at least 100lbs of 1/8 rod every year, but never as much as 5lbs of 3/32, and i never use 1/16 rod 00:43 < katsmeow-afk> and 60xx rod is crap, do not trust your life to 6013 or 6011 rod 00:44 < katsmeow-afk> i use 7018 exclusively 00:46 < katsmeow-afk> dc is best 00:47 < katsmeow-afk> i used 600v 300amp low-drop diodes, i seldom go over 120amps 00:59 < ybit> thanks katsmeow-afk, that will probably be useful to know when i start welding 01:01 < katsmeow-afk> 01:25 * ybit wants 01:25 < ybit> http://sonixgvn.blogspot.com/2008/10/fable-ii-original-soundtrack.html 01:26 < ybit> the links from there are nice too, such as http://www.gamemp3s.net/ http://www.videogamemusic.us/ http://rpgmm.mopoo.com/user1/rpgmm/index.html etc 01:28 < ybit> fenn, kanzure, you might like http://share.dmhy.org/ 02:23 -!- flamoot [n=root@bas1-barrie18-1242375205.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:17 -!- elias` [n=c@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:43 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:17 -!- Phreedom_ [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit ["No Ping reply in 90 seconds."] 05:18 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:12 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 06:34 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-114-190.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:57 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:09 -!- droid [n=droid@tmo-104-238.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:22 < kanzure> hi droid 07:32 -!- droid [n=droid@tmo-104-238.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [] 07:32 -!- freeze [n=freeze@tmo-104-238.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:58 < kanzure> hello freeze 08:06 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-114-190.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:36 < CIA-31> skdb: kanzure * r b07c767 /geom/geom.py: fix Direction class (type gp_Vec, not type gp_Dir) 09:48 -!- kardan__i [n=kardan@p54BE6B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE2FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:05 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:09 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 03e0fad / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): fix OCC_triple(gp_*) bug the right way (hope I didnt break the if statement) 10:13 < fenn> so i guess i should use a graph class to represent the connection graph 10:13 < kanzure> python-graph? 10:13 < fenn> then when i want to walk the chain of transformations from one part to another, i traverse the graph and apply trsf's at each node 10:13 < fenn> or maybe trsf is an arc 10:15 < kanzure> I'll look up some screencast bullshit 10:23 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 10:25 < kanzure> fenn: know anything about getting an ffmpeg encoder working? 10:33 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- ncravens [n=chatzill@144.96.57.1] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:34 < ncravens> SAP!! 10:36 < ncravens> I'm watching some folk play with something called tent at #esp http://wiki.openkollab.com/wagn/Tent_Help 10:37 < ncravens> the prompt: skdb-make robot-maid: failed: @#@#@$@SDL!! 10:42 < kanzure> hey ncravens 10:43 < kanzure> yeah fenn's working on that at the moment 10:44 < kanzure> ncravens: nice to see you in here 10:45 < ncravens> its nice to see you out there too man. 10:45 < kanzure> what? 10:45 < ncravens> yes. 10:45 < kanzure> you never show up in here, why is that? 10:45 < kanzure> just wondering. thought you'd want to be up to date on the latest and greatest versions. 10:45 < ncravens> because , well, I got burnt on chatting years ago, but now I realize ... there's stuff worth chatting about now 10:46 < ncravens> latest and greatest versions of pink fluffy?! 10:46 < timschmidt> Hey guys, I've designed, and am starting to manufacture some Arduino clones with additional features (relays, power mosfets, temp and light sensors, and the like) for sale. What would you like to see a purpose-built Arduino made to do? 10:46 < kanzure> oh, you're selling them? 10:46 < kanzure> you didn't tell me that, tim 10:47 < timschmidt> sorry 10:47 < timschmidt> didn't intend to not tell you. 10:47 < timschmidt> designs will be FOSS, of course. 10:47 < timschmidt> just building and selling for those who can't themselves. 10:49 < timschmidt> The one I'm nearly done with is based on a clone that was licensed GPLv3, so it will be too. 10:49 < fenn> i'd like a $10 temperature logger with optional 7 segment display 10:50 < timschmidt> easy enough 10:55 < ncravens> so how's the Austin lab shaping up? 10:56 < kanzure> it's moved to california 10:57 < kanzure> timschmidt: so, I think you should package up your kits into skdb 10:57 < kanzure> this is the exactly right scenario 10:57 < kanzure> they're GPL'd, you want to make some cash, and you need to get some more widespread knowledge of them, or something 10:57 < kanzure> and even if you don't want to make them forever, still making a couple hundred or something would make you happy (right?) 10:58 < ncravens> where in california? ; 10:58 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 27d6e13 /doc/todo/TODO: doo 10:58 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r cd02214 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): now make_lego puts the brick in the scene such that interfaces[0] is at the origin and oriented along the Z axis 10:58 < kanzure> the coast 10:58 < kanzure> LA possibly 10:58 < kanzure> ncravens: the austin fabratory is still ticking away 10:58 < kanzure> however I might not stay here forever 10:59 < ncravens> where you have in mind? 10:59 < fenn> by "ticking" you mean that cricket noise when nobody's there? 10:59 < timschmidt> kanzure: first batch will be 100. I would not be disappointed to make a few thousand. 10:59 < kanzure> ok, that's a lot of manual labor, but sure 10:59 < ncravens> kanzure: fenn: I'd like to get your input on this: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATsf-IaJ1pQxZGcyanpkZnRfMjc1aGN2YzdnZ2Q&hl=en 11:00 < kanzure> last I checked there was a few people over there 11:00 < kanzure> ncravens: if this is another openkollab thing, I'm going to puke 11:00 < ncravens> hehehe 11:00 < kanzure> i'm tired of you not listening 11:00 < kanzure> so I'm putting my foot down. 11:00 < ncravens> I'm listening. ;) 11:01 < fenn> i'm busy 11:01 < kanzure> did you see the skdb presentation, ncravens ? 11:02 < ncravens> where? 11:02 < kanzure> ncravens: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf 11:03 < kanzure> timschmidt: there was a huge thread on diybio once about this 11:04 < kanzure> timschmidt: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/f283180392f16cdd/7362d9da4b8bffdf?#7362d9da4b8bffdf 11:04 < kanzure> you might get some ideas there for stuff that people want 11:04 < kanzure> and have publicly admitted that they want :) 11:08 < timschmidt> thanks 11:08 < ncravens> kanzure: so what do you think of these espian folk? 11:08 < kanzure> not interested 11:20 < ncravens> have you talked to them about skdb? 11:24 < kanzure> I mentioned it in #openkollab, no one was interested 11:28 < ncravens> have you mentioned it to #esp? 11:29 < ncravens> slide 36 'Consideration: product as graph' reminds me of Minsky's model of AI. 11:30 < kanzure> luckily this doesn't require ai 11:31 < ncravens> for the parts that require hand entry... ai would be nice? 11:32 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:32 -!- freeze [n=freeze@tmo-104-238.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33 < ncravens> your friend Sam Rose is having a chat with Suresh Fernando at #openkollab 11:35 < ncravens> what does "f.s. c.f.g. d.a.m." on slide 36 mean? 11:37 < ncravens> What evoked the ANGRY? 11:53 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r e386cbb /geom/geom.py: added skdb.Interface.get_transformation() 11:53 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 6f809f8 /paths.py: playing with get_transformation(); implemented make_arrow_to() 12:01 < kanzure> ncravens: "FS" means "function structure" 12:01 < kanzure> "CFG" means "Configuration Flow Graph" 12:01 < kanzure> "DAM" means something about a matrix regarding assembly of a part 12:01 < kanzure> honestly that slide was thrown in from the lab professor 12:01 < kanzure> it's not really as useful as you might think it sounds :p 12:01 < ncravens> ahh... ic 12:03 < ncravens> I just saw nodes and links from what appeared to be baser or simple objects below creating higher level stuff; just applying a similar pattern Marvin Minsky used for AI... am I close? 12:03 < kanzure> no, the graphs have nodes which represent parts and the edges represent connections between parts 12:04 < kanzure> however, the lab's format for this is not developed- there's some software that uses it, but it's too generic and not useful for engineering 12:04 < kanzure> (it's for "conceptual" design) 12:06 < ncravens> which means? 12:06 < kanzure> that the computer can't use the information to do anything useful... so don't confuse it with skdb. 12:23 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r db2d712 / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): add Point((1,2,3)) 12:35 -!- kroliczak [n=any@adcn27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- kardan__i is now known as kardan 12:47 < kanzure> hello kroliczak 13:02 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 12df8d4 /packages/lego/grammar.yaml: this was getting annoying 13:02 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r c50f774 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): implement show_interfaces(); playing around with order of transformations; added some keybindings 13:26 < drazak> kanzure: so who is jake on diybio? 13:26 < kanzure> not sure 13:27 < drazak> he semms nice but a little bit of an ass 13:35 -!- ncravens [n=chatzill@144.96.57.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:41 < kanzure> he's a biologist IIRC 14:00 < kanzure> for some reason Misc/Misc.i and Visualization/Visualization.i doesn't exist in the latest pythonOCC revision 14:05 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 588c463 /geom/geom.py: something goes horribly right when i use the wrong vector 14:07 < fenn> it's almost worse when it works unexpectedly 14:34 < kanzure> ok got it 14:34 < kanzure> my string was wrong on the pythonocc notes for environment.py fixage 14:34 < kanzure> debian users may need to make a correction in environment.py related to /usr/include to /usr/include/opencascade (search for the part in environment.py that says “Fill in this part with your own settings”) 14:39 < kanzure> updated notes: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pythonocc 15:14 -!- kroliczak [n=any@adcn27.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:17 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 15:22 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- any56289043 [n=someone@75-120-5-123.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:49 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 91124d4 /geom/geom.py: get rid of side effects in mate_connection 15:49 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 0c9bdd8 /paths.py: i think this demonstrates a flaw in gp_Trsf.SetTransformation 15:51 < any56289043> Arntzen and colleagues used a genetically engineered plant virus called the tobacco mosaic virus to start their vaccine. 15:51 < any56289043> "We force it to make the protein which is the vaccine against norovirus," Arntzen told the news conference. "We call them nanoparticle vaccines because the protein we produce in our tobacco plant self-assembles into a little round ball." 15:59 < CIA-31> skdb: fenn * r 626f7fd /core/interface.py: print interface numbers 16:02 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-33-117.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:30 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@pool-173-48-253-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:00 < fenn> kanzure: this is what i have in .bashrc: 17:00 < fenn> HISTTIMEFORMAT="%k:%M " 17:00 < fenn> HISTFILESIZE=1000000000 17:00 < fenn> HISTSIZE=1000000 17:00 < fenn> shopt -s histappend 17:27 < kanzure> anyone know how to increase your buffer length in bash? 17:27 < kanzure> for non-developers I can see the advantage to a short buffer 17:28 < kanzure> and piping to less doesn't always work 17:28 < kanzure> because of stderr, etc. etc. 17:28 < kanzure> and sometimes you want to go back to previous command output, etc. 17:38 < Phreedom> kanzure: bash? why not increase buf size in konsole? ;) 17:39 < kanzure> well I would except for some reason I'm not using konsole *or* xterm 17:39 < kanzure> for some reason my wm is gnome too 17:39 < kanzure> I'm all screwed up :( 17:41 < kanzure> victory! 17:41 < kanzure> http://diybio.org/projects/ 17:44 * kanzure does a dance 18:10 < ybit> it looks like i may stop working at k-mart because some company in elgin, al will be hiring me. i don't know all the details, but if you have an idea for a product randomly, the purpose of the company is to make the product. they have a bunch of machining equipment is what i'm told, haven't been told everything they have but he mentioned something about a lathe, a mig welder, arc welder, and designing circuit boards and a little programming is all part 18:11 < ybit> and they also have a second company in the same building, same people own it, they repair electric vehicles from the ~80s 18:12 * ybit is kind of happy and could do a dance as well 18:13 < ybit> computerized manufacturing process planning systems finished scanning sometime this week 18:13 < ybit> +will be 19:17 < drazak> kanzure: zomg your stuff made it onthere 19:20 < ybit> that's cool, but where's the f' them attitude i've come to expect :) 19:23 * ybit doesn't see any mention of regulations for co2 19:26 < kanzure> co2? 19:27 < kanzure> oh 19:27 < kanzure> ybit: well even if I did say fuck them, it's still nice to see it mentioned on there 19:27 < kanzure> now if only I can convince them to let me make it dynamic content 19:28 < ybit> firefox needs to have its history in a text file, not a db. 19:30 < drazak> ybit: I've been saying that forever 19:30 < drazak> it's not grepable 19:31 < ybit> annoying when you are tunneled into a computer and can't do -X -Y tunneling either 19:31 < ybit> trying to respond to eugen on diybio, but it's near impossible because there's no way i'm going to be able to replicate my searching patterns on this computer 19:32 < kanzure> hm there's only 24 results for "international locust control organization" 19:32 < ybit> there is no regulation of co2, but it's the drugs which are administered after surgery which have me slightly concerned.. that and i'm not sure co2 is the best agent to use 19:32 < drazak> I need to figure out what's in the extracellular matrix of the heart 19:33 < ybit> memories? :) 19:34 < ybit> have you guys/gals ever read or saw interviews with people who have had heart transplants and speak of having memories from the previous heart's owner? 19:35 * nsh has read 19:36 < nsh> jesus, the configure script for openssh is endless... 19:37 < kanzure> hi nsh 19:38 < nsh> hey 19:49 < nsh> ../includes.h:33: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant 19:49 < nsh> is a sign that i'm missing a stdlib include, but which one? 19:49 < drazak> ergh 19:57 < ybit> via FCM) or actual parts used in past 19:58 < ybit> fcm? 19:58 < ybit> fuzzy cognitive map? :P 19:58 < ybit> umr 19:58 < ybit> uninitialized memory reads? 19:59 < ybit> wikipedia seems to not have a clue either :) 19:59 * fenn reads http://hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-Recipients 20:00 < fenn> reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil 20:54 < kanzure> humdrum! 20:54 < fenn> bah 20:54 < kanzure> that's going into the lexicon 20:55 < fenn> just think, you could be digging in a field for ancient extraterrestrial visitors right now 21:24 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:24 < kanzure> hi genehacker 21:24 < genehacker> beginning hivemind synchronization procedures 21:25 < genehacker> hello kanzure 21:25 < genehacker> I'm back 21:25 < kanzure> why were you gone? 21:26 < genehacker> I went to cozumel mexico and got dive certified 21:27 < genehacker> tried to connect to hplusroadmap while I was down there but I couldn't 21:28 < genehacker> either the software doesn't work on my ds or the internet was splotchy 21:40 -!- any56289043 is now known as katsmeow 22:02 < kanzure> fenn: gp_Ax3 only has gp_Ax3.SetXDirection and gp_Ax3.SetYDirection 22:03 < kanzure> no SetZDirection 22:07 < kanzure> gp_Ax3(gp_Ax2(gp_Pnt(x,y,z),gp_Dir(normal_x, normal_y, normal_z),gp_Dir(Vx_x,Vx_y,Vx_z))) <-- if you wanted to use a right-handed coordinate system and let OCC convert it to a left-hand (gp_Ax3) system 22:08 < fenn> ax3 isn't left hand 22:09 < fenn> (ax2 is i think) 22:09 < kanzure> ax3 is definitely left handed 22:09 < kanzure> it's in the docs 22:10 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/FoundationClasses/html/classgp__Ax3.html 22:10 < kanzure> "either or" 22:10 < fenn> Unlike a gp_Ax2 coordinate system, a gp_Ax3 can be right-handed ("direct sense) or left-handed ("indirect sense"). 22:10 < kanzure> wtf why do they use a carrot in their formulae? 22:10 < kanzure> are they seriously taking an exponent? 22:10 < fenn> you mean caret? 22:10 < kanzure> I want to chew them down to size 22:11 < fenn> cross product? 23:08 < CIA-31> skdb: kanzure * r cbc0554 /test_transformation.py: playing around with some tests for transformations, please ignore. gp_Ax2 versus gp_Ax3? etc. 23:55 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-41-223.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]