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02:42 < QuantumG> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article6804599.ece
03:24 < fenn> wow cool
03:24 < fenn> EMC now supports arbitrary serial kinematics
03:24 < fenn> "these work for manipulators with up to 8 joints, either rotary or prismatic, and provide forward and inverse kinematics and jacobian functions."
03:25 < fenn> http://juve.ro/blog/puma
03:26 < QuantumG> I was looking at Bullet again yesterday
03:26 < QuantumG> when I get the itch, I think I'll check out their soft body dynamics
03:26 < QuantumG> see if I can do some space tether simulations
03:26 < fenn> ah but the difference is EMC can control real machinery
03:27 < fenn> the simulator is mostly just to check what you're about to do
03:28 < QuantumG> ya
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09:06 < splicer_> did you see W3Cs Simple Knowledge Organization System (SKOS): http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-skos-reference-20090818/
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10:00 < kanzure> pythonOCC now has qt4 support
10:04 < kanzure> so for some reason, sciencedirect.com requires you to log in to get an RSS feed for a particular journal
10:04 < kanzure> but the way that this works is that they give you a link with an md5 hash that tells them that it's a unique link, i.e. so that nothing fishy is going on (from their end)
10:04 < kanzure> however once you generate the feed, you can go to that feed's link 
10:04 < kanzure> and you just have to log in with the free registration system
10:05 < kanzure> seems like a weird and painful way to do it
10:05 < kanzure> there's about 1800 journals on sciencedirect, so I figure getting their RSS feeds would be useful
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12:18  * ybit wonders if it's worth also purchasing http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2430460&CatId=495
12:19 < ybit> kanzure: i have a few rss sdirect subscriptions in the rss feed xml i posted yesterday
12:19 < ybit> it is a major pain in the arse to deal with
12:22 < ybit> "The only cooling benefit comes from the finned heatsink on top. The pipe should pass through that, but doesn't. As useful as a Cherrybomb muffler on a Honda Civic, all flash and no benefit."
12:27 < kanzure> ok done
12:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/journals/sciencedirect/
12:27 < kanzure> hell yeah
12:28 < ybit> wow, good going
12:28 < ybit> did you manually sign up for all of these?..
12:29 < kanzure> no :)
12:29 < ybit> would be near impossible to do so in ~2 hours
12:29 < ybit> ..manually
12:29 < ybit> so..let's see that script of yours
12:29 < kanzure> never!
12:29 < kanzure> er, okay
12:29 < ybit> :)
12:30 < ybit> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4401384&RSort=4&csid=ITD&body=#ReviewStart  or  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3516738&RSort=4&csid=ITD&body=#ReviewStart
12:30 < ybit> can buy one of the first or 2 of the second.. 
12:31 < ybit> splicer_: i think skos was mentioned in here at least once before
12:32 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/sciencedirect-rss-src.zip
12:34 < kanzure> oh fooey
12:34 < kanzure> I fucked up all of the files
12:34 < kanzure> double http
12:37 < kanzure> well. I have nature and sciencedirect. I guess I'll do PLoS next but I'm running out of ideas.
12:38 < kanzure> gah 15 MB of RSS :(
12:39 < kanzure> and that's just the meta crap
12:41 < ybit> Life Hours:  50,000 hours
12:41 < ybit> that scares me
12:41 < ybit> that's only 5 years
12:42  * ybit goes with option
12:42 < ybit> 1
12:43 < kanzure> hm, it seems there were 1526 RSS feeds when I tried doing this back in 2008
12:43 < kanzure> wtf hah
12:43 < ybit> so.. i've spent $150. went with http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4034139&csid=_21 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3501402&pagenumber=2&RSort=4&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=#ReviewStart and http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4401384&RSort=4&csid=ITD&body=#ReviewStart
12:43 < kanzure> so, /mnt/maxtor/all/sciencedirect/ contains my attempts at scraping the entire sciencedirect collection
12:43 < kanzure> at that time I also bothered to scrape the RSS stuff
12:43 < kanzure> and now that I'm looking at the timestamps ..
12:44 < kanzure> -rwxrwxrwx    1 bryan bryan  838682 2008-08-23 14:52 sciencedirect_OPML_cc630df8be87344d227964577339d9b4.xml
12:44 < kanzure> nice to know I've gone *nowhere* in the last year
12:44 < kanzure> how is it that I seem to cycle back to the same damn thing at the same damn time of each year?
12:45 < ybit> thanks kanzure for ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml
12:45 < kanzure> rawr
14:02 < kanzure> only one sunday left
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14:26 < ybit> one sunday left until what/
14:29 < ybit> trip to l.a., until school starts, until doomsday?
14:31 < ybit> speaking of doomsday.. 
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15:00 < ybit> dooomsday == rebooting teh linux machines
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16:42  * ybit is curious how to protect against electromagnetic bombs
16:43 < drazak_> lots of lead
16:45 < fenn> lead isn't the ideal shielding
16:45 < fenn> silicon steel is good, mu-metal probably best
16:45 < fenn> ultra pure iron is also good, but even more expensive than mu-metal
16:46 < ybit> a faraday cage is the term for such a protective covering
16:46 < fenn> as a practical matter, a 50 gallon drum welded shut will protect against EMP from a nuclear bomb
16:46 < fenn> faraday cage is only conductors and won't protect against rapid changes in magnetic fields
16:46 < fenn> you also have to have magnetic shielding
16:47 < fenn> i could be wrong
16:47 < fenn> also, humans aren't immune to EMP as often portrayed in science fiction
16:48 < fenn> kanzure: why would ADL care about EMC being able to run arbitrary robot kinematics?
16:52 < drazak_> who is adl
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16:53 < genehacker> I'm online but I'm not online
16:55 < fenn> drazak_: a mailing list
16:55 < drazak_> fenn: about what?
16:55 < kanzure> fenn: pradeep is studying kinematics
16:56 < kanzure> drazak_: Automated Design Lab
16:56 < drazak_> oh cool
16:56 < drazak_> so, I need a solution for something
16:57 < drazak_> my handwriting sucks horribly
16:57 < drazak_> and you need to label all these tubes at the lab so that other people can read them
16:57 < drazak_> what's the best solution that's as quick as writing on them?
16:58 < kanzure> pre-printing out sticky tape ID numbers
16:58 < kanzure> since you already know what you're going to be doing,
16:58 < kanzure> you could even pre-print the labels
16:58 < fenn> kanzure: pradeep is studying parallel kinematics
16:58 < kanzure> inverse kinematics
16:59 < fenn> still, serial matrix math won't help him at all
16:59 < drazak_> kanzure: but I don't always know what I'm going to be doing before hand
16:59 < drazak_> kanzure: or more than 5 minutes beforehand
16:59 < fenn> get a rhinopro 5000
17:00 < drazak_> that's fucking expensive
17:00 < kanzure> drazak_: you're doing it wrong, then. that's not how labs should work.
17:00 < kanzure> also you should be able to print in under <1min
17:00 < drazak_> kanzure: well, I don't always know what set of samples it's on
17:00 < fenn> i got the rhinopro 1000 for like $40
17:01 < drazak_> kanzure: or rather I know the set "hamstrings from vegf and msc treated animals" but not the numbers until I look at the tubes
17:01 < fenn> it's probably good enough
17:01 < genehacker> kanzure
17:01 < genehacker> got a paper you should read
17:01 < kanzure> fennn, is there any way I could force you to write your trig method today?
17:01 < fenn> still i'd rather have something with a standard USB interface
17:01 < genehacker> inverse kinematics is cool
17:01 < kanzure> genehacker: well let's here it
17:01 < kanzure> *hear
17:02 < genehacker> finding it
17:02 < fenn> kanzure: i believe some chocolate might motivate me
17:02 < kanzure> how about a molten chocolate cake?
17:02 < fenn> ew
17:02 < kanzure> picky picky
17:02 < genehacker> Towards cyclic fabrication systems
17:02 < genehacker> for modular robotics and rapid manufacturing
17:02 < kanzure> genehacker: yes I read that yesterday
17:02 < fenn> i have bad associations with chili's
17:02 < genehacker> oh good
17:02 < genehacker> cool paper
17:02 < fenn> last time i ate there i got a mouth infection
17:02 < kanzure> the references are better imho
17:02 < kanzure> hm is that where you got it from?
17:02 < fenn> well not really
17:02 < fenn> but my body doesn't know the difference
17:03 < kanzure> does stealing from your own chocolate collection count?
17:03 < kanzure> there was some mint chocolate in the freezer iirc
17:03 < fenn> my chocoat collection is bankrumpt
17:03 < kanzure> have you tried filing for chocolate chapter 11?
17:04 < kanzure> genehacker: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss
17:04 < kanzure> genehacker: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/
17:04 < kanzure> genehacker: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/journals/sciencedirect/
17:04 < genehacker> you know we really should consider making a bioengineer cocoa plant
17:05 < genehacker> cocoa cultivation uses a fair amount of modern day slavery
17:06 < drazak_> kanzure: you have all the sciencedirect journals?!
17:06 < fenn> gene http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/moses_urethane_wax_replicator.pdf
17:06 < fenn> it'll be done uploading any minute now
17:06 < kanzure> drazak_: not all of them have RSS
17:06 < kanzure> but yes all of the ones that have RSS
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17:07 < drazak_> kanzure: oh, I thought that was a scrape of the journals
17:07 < kanzure> no the scrape is elsewhere on the hdd
17:07 < kanzure> and it's only a partial scrape
17:07 < kanzure> so I haven't shown it to you guys yet
17:07 < fenn> drazak_: the rhinopro 1000 is definitely worth the $40
17:07 < drazak_> fenn: yeah, I'll look into it at some point
17:07 < drazak_> fenn: I just need to write better on tubes
17:08 < fenn> tubes weren't made for writing on
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17:09 < fenn> if God had intended us to write on tubes, he would have given them stick-on labels!
17:09 < genehacker> some tubes come with areas to write
17:10 < fenn> genehacker: what were you doing with a microscope a couple weeks ago?
17:10 < genehacker> kanzure got a link to setting up internet with linux?
17:10 < genehacker> huh?
17:10 < kanzure> genehacker: for UT? 
17:10 < genehacker> yeah?
17:10 < genehacker> what microscope fenn?
17:10 < genehacker> oh that
17:11 < kanzure> genehacker: linux at utexas: https://management.pna.utexas.edu/static/faqs/dot1x/dot1x-linux.html
17:11 < drazak_> genehacker: generally speakiung our lab writes on the cap then details on the sides
17:11 < genehacker> I was using it to look at metal
17:12 < kanzure> genehacker: is that what you needed?
17:12 < genehacker> yup
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17:20 < fenn> this is helpful for figuring out license snafus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quick-guide-gplv3-compatibility.svg
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17:31 < genehacker> UBUNTU WOO!
17:31 < genehacker> ubuntu woo
17:32 < genehacker> seems slow for some reason
17:32 < genehacker> no config needed
17:37 < fenn> slow is probly bad DNS
17:37  * fenn mumbles something about /etc/resolv.conf
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17:59 < genehacker> http://www.hizook.com/blog/2009/08/03/high-speed-robot-hand-demonstrates-dexterity-and-skillful-manipulation
18:00 < genehacker> wow
18:02 < QuantumG> I like the tweezers one :)
18:15 < genehacker> do you see how fast those fingers move?
18:15 < genehacker> gah
18:19 < genehacker> humanity is doomed
18:32 < drazak_> kanzure: I should take an inventory of all the chemicals we have at the lab
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18:45 < fenn> just once i'd like to see a youtube robotics video without some comment about "humanity is doomed"
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18:50 < kanzure> drazak_: if you take a full inventory you will become my bestest frnord ever
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18:56 < drazak_> kanzure: I'll do as good as I can
18:56 < drazak_> kanzure: I have an hour in the morning before anyone else gets there
18:58 < fenn> you could take high resolution photos and have a pakistani child type up the chemical names
18:59 < fenn> drazak_: kanzure wants you to look at this for some reason http://adl.serveftp.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob;f=inventory/data/biology-lab-chemicals.incomplete.yaml
19:00 < fenn> pictures are good too
19:01 < drazak_> fenn: I'm not going to type it up like that
19:01 < drazak_> fenn: no fucking way I have /that/ much time
19:02 < drazak_> fenn: I'm going to bring my laptop in and start cataloging it
19:02 < fenn> what do you mean cataloging?
19:06 < drazak_> making a list
19:06 < fenn> but that is a list
19:07 < fenn> i don't really agree with the format
19:07 < fenn> name, concentration, and volume are good enough
19:08 < fenn> if it's something non-standard of course you should probably say what it is
19:08 < fenn> 'buffer A' for example
19:09 < drazak_> I meant mainly the powders, and kits
19:09 < drazak_> I'll do the fridges some other day
19:11 < genehacker> hehe
19:12 < drazak_> how is cataloging different than making a list?
19:12 < drazak_> I can make a list and put numbers next to it
19:12 < drazak_> and put where it is
19:13 < fenn> you said "i'm not going to type it up like that. i'm going to start cataloging it (instead)"
19:13 < fenn> which presumably meant you were going to do something different than type it up
19:13 < drazak_> well I'm certainly not going to put it in yaml format
19:14 < fenn> yaml is easy
19:14 < drazak_> takes too long
19:14 < fenn> compared to what?
19:14 < drazak_> NaCl
19:14 < fenn> what does that even mean?
19:15 < drazak_> it means I don't have time to type Chemical: blah, Date: Blah, Concentration: Blah
19:15 < drazak_> instead I label a columns and just start going
19:16 < fenn> is it solid? how many grams are there?
19:16 < drazak_> how do you measure grams when it's in a container without measuring it outside of the container
19:16 < fenn> estimate
19:16 < fenn> pick it up and shake it
19:16 < drazak_> oh god I suck at that
19:17 < fenn> anyway just saying "NaCl" doesn't communicate very much
19:17 < drazak_> I'd rather look at the volume, and the supposed mass of stuff in the container, estimate the volume fraction and decide how much of it there is
19:17 < fenn> sure, that's perfectly fine way to do it
19:18 < fenn> just be consistent however you decide to write it up
19:19 < fenn> not like i know wtf anyone is going to do with all these inventories anyway
19:19 < drazak_> I'll use it
19:19 < drazak_> I mean, if I want to do some sort of experiment, I want to know if we have something, or if we have enough
19:19 < drazak_> I dunno wtf you people are going to do with the inventories from my lab
19:20 < fenn> yeah that's what i meant
19:20 < drazak_> I mean
19:20 < drazak_> I know if I was going to start a lab my inventory would be much different
19:20 < drazak_> I would have less of these kits
19:20 < drazak_> and more of the actual stuff to do stuff
19:21 < fenn> stuff!
19:21 < fenn> and lots of thingies
19:21 < drazak_> I mean I'd have the specific reagents to isolate DNA and a method for the lab
19:21 < drazak_> that way if we switch kits results won't change, we're all using the same reagents
19:21 < fenn> SCIENCE
19:22 < drazak_> because there's no kit to change, anyway
19:23 < fenn> kanzure: i'll write that code as soon as i figure out how to run pythonOCC
19:23 < fenn> er. s/run/import/
19:24  * fenn kicks sshfs in the nads
19:26 < drazak_> so are you guys just sitting next to eachother?
19:26 < drazak_> also what code
19:30 < fenn> wtf why can't user "bryan" read this? drwxr-xr-x 1 fenn bryan
19:30 < fenn> drazak_: he's in the other room watching the simpsons
19:31 < drazak_> lol
19:31 < fenn> i'm attempting to write some cad code on bryan's computer because mine sucks and/or doesn't have a monitor or functioning pythonOCC install
19:32 < kanzure> fenn, drazak: I wasn't estimating the mass of the containers. they were graduated glassware.
19:33 < drazak_> kanzure: these aren't
19:33 < drazak_> kanzure: and I'm not talking about how you did it, but how i'm going to do it
19:38 < fenn> what does this mean? d????????? ? ?    ?           ?                ? tub
19:38 < fenn> that's from ls -l
19:41 < fenn> sigh. when did this all become so hard
19:44 < fenn> what's up with your vim? "Sorry, the command is not available in this version"
19:53 < kanzure> vim should be normal
19:54 < fenn> any clue? ImportError: No module named DataExchange.STEP
19:55 < fenn> hmm there are multiply pythonOCC's on this box
19:56 < kanzure> wasn't it OCC.DataExchange.STEPImporter ?
19:56 < fenn> no that's the class name
19:57 < fenn> i think maybe you have an old/incomplete pythonOCC in manufacturing (which is what i've been using)
19:57 < kanzure> where's the othering?
19:57 < kanzure> er the other one
19:58 < fenn> local
19:58 < fenn> i should just download 0.3 or something
19:58 < fenn> i have no idea what is going on
19:59 < kanzure> there should be a copy in /mnt/maxtor/software/pythonOCC/ too
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22:28 < genehacker_> any linux expert here want to tell me how to run an .exe on my windows partition
22:29 < genehacker_> with wine
22:31 < fenn> wine foo.exe
22:31 < genehacker_> huh?
22:40 < kanzure> that's how you run the exe
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22:40 < genehacker_> I don't get it
22:40 < genehacker_> it doesn't quite work right
22:46 < genehacker_> going to switch to the EVIL partition
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23:39 < ybit> anyone have family members suggesting what you should do with your life continually? "oh, you would be great at this, you really should consider this field to work in" today it was cyber security -_- usually these suggestions are based on little thinking. i asked a few questions that i'm having a tough time answering myself today to one of my family members and it was suggested that i should really consider writing a book or making a board game with su
23:39 < ybit> but anyway, here come a few questions to consider
23:43 < ybit> Sports, what's the point. What mindset do people have which allow them to watch sports, are they recieving dopamine due to watching this? What's triggering this release of neurotransmitters? 
23:58 < ybit> Why do a majority of people want to date others? We can hypothesize that it's due to some insinct to pass on our genes eventually, but is that really the cause? Sanity... What's the point of a "balanced life", to maintain sanity. But what is sanity? I asked one of my family members and it was interesting to see them go through a similar thought process of my own slowly leading them into where they could understand my own view. As they seemingly instinc