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07:21 < drazak_> kanzure: maybe in 10 years there will be a central synbio facility where scientists can come to, and everyone will define synbio the same way
07:22 < drazak_> kanzure: maybe that's too much to ask for though, molecular biology has a definition rarely agreed upon
08:10 < kanzure> has been updated: http://pinkarmy.org/
08:27 < kanzure> member number: 30
08:27 < kanzure> andrew made quite an impression on me last year
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09:10 < drazak_> sfw?
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10:10 < kanzure> drazak_: well again the "sfw" is the large amounts of money he has offered
10:10 < genehacker> kanzure did I tell you about my email from guido?
10:11 < kanzure> no
10:11 < kanzure> why did you get an email from guido?
10:15 < drazak_> kanzure: safe for work :P
10:18 < kanzure> oh, yes, it's safe for work
10:25 < kanzure> hm apparently there's a project called "simple kernel debugger"
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11:58 < kanzure> this is boring
11:58 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/ch301/2009-08-26.html
11:58 < kanzure> 3,880 words and absolutely nothing was spoken
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12:57 < ybit> yay, go pink army for charging to register
12:57 < ybit> guess that's open source doing its bidding again
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13:00 < kanzure> the registration is not for getting access to anything in particular, ybit
13:04 < ybit> on superkuh, you're in here. guess i don't have to PM you then :)
13:08 < genehacker> are we trying to summon superkuh?
13:08 < superkuh> I replied to his PM.
13:08 < ybit> yup
13:09  * ybit is trying to gain access to files in http://superkuh.ath.cx/Library/Ferroelectrics/
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13:15 < ybit> kanzure: where is neverness again?
13:15 < ybit> and i never got a response from you, do you want me to send the hdd to you or retrieve at certain times of the day?
13:15 < ybit> at a certain transfer rate, etc
13:16 < kanzure> ybit: http://heybryan.org/doc/ is where neverness is
13:16 < ybit> thanks
13:16 < kanzure> 1 to 6 in the morning I guess
13:17 < ybit> alright, and if you need me to setup a certain rate and wait time between retrievals, i can do that
13:18 < ybit> something like every 20 secs between each fetch and no faster than 2K/s?
13:19 < ybit> or no faster than..? up to you
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13:28 < ybit> i'll just not worry about transfer rates and give a 20 sec waiting period between fetches
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14:38 < ybit> http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/
14:41 < ybit> http://extratorrent.com/torrent_download/2119781/Life+in+the+Undergrowth+%28BBC+-+Complete+Series%29.torrent 
14:43 < genehacker> how do I torrent?
14:43 < genehacker> I can't torrent in the dorm they [CONTENT FILTERED OUT]
14:49 < splicer_> you can use a proxy server
14:58 < genehacker> does proxify work
14:58 < genehacker> I want to be anonymous too
14:58 < genehacker> I don't want THEM to come after me
14:58 < genehacker> THEY have got people here
14:58 < genehacker> THEY come in the night
15:01 < ybit> genehacker: what are you talking about :P
15:01 < ybit> who is this they you speak of?
15:02 < kanzure> the university has student moles
15:02 < ybit> genehacker: setup privoxy and tor?
15:03 < genehacker> oh yeah forgot about those
15:03 < genehacker> makes me wonder if the girl who got caught was really caught or was paid to say so
15:03 < genehacker> NO I WILL NOT USE TOR
15:04 < genehacker> never ever, ever use tor to torrent
15:04 < genehacker> it's just rude
15:04 < genehacker> plus dissidents need to use it
15:05 < genehacker> hmmm.... I should probably turn my computer into a node
15:11 < kanzure> apparently iclicker operates at 915mhz
15:16 < ybit> thinking of making some type of hack for it :)
15:16 < ybit> +?
15:17 < genehacker> kanzure don't tell me
15:17 < genehacker> you got a clicker class?
15:17 < genehacker> physics I presume?
15:21 < kanzure> no
15:22 < genehacker> what class then?
15:22 < kanzure> chemistry
15:23 < genehacker> you're in chemistry this semester?
15:23 < genehacker> what classes are you taking?
15:23 < kanzure> chemistry and calculus
15:23 < kanzure> this is boring
15:24 < genehacker> I'll say
15:24 < kanzure> why am I paying for this
15:24 < ybit> renamepdf.py is on adl or heybryan?
15:24 < ybit> kanzure ^
15:24 < kanzure> it's a zotero script
15:24 < ybit> alright
15:24 < genehacker> just chemistry and calculus?
15:25 < genehacker> why aren't you taking statics yet?
15:25 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/ZoteroRename.02.py
15:25 < kanzure> genehacker: because I don't have the prereqs
15:25 < genehacker> anyway you know that you can specialize in computer graphics?
15:26 < kanzure> why would you do that?
15:26 < genehacker> or design or something
15:27 < genehacker> CAD stuff
15:27 < genehacker> that's the specialization
15:27 < genehacker> seems you're doing a whole lot of cad
15:27 < kanzure> yes the automated design lab involves CAD
15:28 < drazak_> kanzure: what kind of chem?
15:28 < kanzure> drazak_: the most lame class you can think of
15:28 < drazak_> kanzure: genchem?
15:28 < kanzure> general chemistry
15:28 < kanzure> they don't offer generative chemistry here
15:29 < genehacker> just two classes?
15:29 < kanzure> well also programming and one on nuclear engineering, but the programming class doesn't meet, and the nuclear class is apparently just watching videos
15:30 < genehacker> me205 then
15:30 < kanzure> yes
15:30 < genehacker> didn't you take that last semester?
15:30 < kanzure> yes
15:30 < kanzure> but remember, they erased the past year from my record
15:31 < genehacker> that sucks
15:31 < genehacker> anyway
15:31 < genehacker> Try to brute force the passwords for units
15:31 < drazak_> why'd they do that?
15:31 < kanzure> medical withdrawal
15:33 < genehacker> well on the bright side you've got time for H+
15:33 < genehacker> I don
15:33 < genehacker> 't
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15:36 < kanzure> does anyone have some RSS feeds that I missed the other day?
15:36 < kanzure> I just added in NASA:
15:36 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/space/
15:38 < kanzure> huh the rss folder is 41 MB?
15:38 < kanzure> oh 20 MB is git overhead
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15:44 < kanzure> hey parolang 
15:44 < kanzure> the other day you said you were checking in or something?
15:46 < parolang> Hi...sorry, I think the server hiccupped.
15:46 < parolang> Yeah, just lurking.
15:47 < kanzure> you mentioned you were here a few years ago though?
15:47 < parolang> No, I didn't mentioned that...so you must remember.
15:47 < parolang> But I didn't contribute anything.
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15:48 < drazak_> kanzure: what the hell were you addicted to?
15:48 < kanzure> ah so you were a boring lurker
15:49 < kanzure> drazak_: what?
15:49 < parolang> yes
15:49 < drazak_> kanzure: you said medical widthdrawl
15:49 < parolang> If you don't want me to lurk just give the word
15:49 < kanzure> parolang: no it's fine
15:49 < kanzure> parolang: I was only kidding :)
15:50 < parolang> ah :)
15:50 < parolang> I just thought that for you "boring" is a pretty serious accusation :)
15:50 < kanzure> drazak_: it wasn't addiction
15:51 < parolang> But I do have a question, since I've proken the lurker's code of silence for the moment, have you had any success with uzbl?
15:51 < kanzure> I've been able to browse around the web with it, yes.
15:51 < parolang> Is it super-fast?
15:51 < kanzure> no it's about as fast as anything else
15:52 < drazak_> kanzure: so it was medical widthdrawl from what?
15:52 < kanzure> drazak_: from the university/semester
15:52 < parolang> Hmm...okay, thanks.  Might still give it a try.
15:52 < drazak_> kanzure: oh, ok, on what grounds though?
15:52 < kanzure> drazak_: dad died, mom thought I was depressed and mentally retarded
15:52 < drazak_> ah, ok
15:52 < drazak_> shit happens
15:53 < genehacker> kanzure thinking of messing with the clicker?
15:53 < kanzure> genehacker: nah
15:53 < kanzure> just packing some knowledge for future reference
15:53 < genehacker> some people have contemplated jamming it
15:53 < kanzure> fenn mentioned an interest in taking the average of everyone's answer
15:53 < genehacker> but of course
15:54 < genehacker> that makes sense
15:54 < genehacker> you could totally game the system that way
15:54 < kanzure> well another algorithm would be to track who makes the correct answers
15:54 < kanzure> and then compare the group of people-who-answer-correctly-all-the-time with the class average answer
15:54 < genehacker> but that requires know who makes correct answers
15:54 < kanzure> yes but you can figure that out after three or four times
15:55 < kanzure> since the top percentile will always answer correctly
15:55 < genehacker> heh if you could do that you could put the clicker company  in hot water
15:55 < kanzure> that's why they are the top percentile, I might add
15:56 < genehacker> now if you could apply this clicker thing to something useful
15:56 < genehacker> CHOOSE THE BEST WAY TO SHOOT DOWN MISSILES
15:56 < genehacker> HEADED FOR YOUR LOCATION
15:56 < kanzure> why do missiles know where I am located?
15:57 < genehacker> they don't it's all part of some huge conspiracy
15:58 < genehacker> reference to anime forget it
15:58 < genehacker> involved crowdsourcing
15:59 < drazak_> oh man
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15:59 < drazak_> it's like who wants to be a millionaire
15:59 < drazak_> the audience clicker
16:00 < kanzure> the audience clicker is attached to the chairs, IIRC
16:00 < kanzure> so you can't track who's who
16:00 < kanzure> unless you have some sort of visual memory for what people look like and the ID of the clicker in the chair that they happen to sit in
16:01 < genehacker> hehehehe
16:02 < genehacker> things would get funny if you spoofed everyone's clicker and had them all input the wrong answer
16:02 < kanzure> but if you had someone always getting the answer correct in the audience, wouldn't that person be the one playing the game?
16:03 < genehacker> yeah
16:03 < genehacker> good point
16:03 < genehacker> have everyone get the wrong answer
16:03 < genehacker> and you can mess with the curve
16:10 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r a468862 /paths.py: make the down lego actually be the down lego
16:10 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r e470b22 /doc/proposals/files-vs-database: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
16:20 < kanzure> fenn: I'd show it to you but the z-buffer is still fucked up
16:25 < parolang> kanzure: Actually, if you're monitoring everyone's answers, there will be certain clickers that will get the right answer more than other clickers.  Secondly, the clickers that get the right answers more often will more often agree with the other clickers.
16:26 < parolang> So, statistically, there is a way to find out what answer is most likely to be right.
16:28 < kanzure> that's what I said I think
16:28 < parolang> Oh, sorry :)
16:28 < kanzure> well did I say something different?
16:29 < parolang> No.  I just suck at lurking.
16:29 < genehacker> lurk more
16:38 < kanzure> fenn: is there a way to do a pointer in yaml to an instance of an object in the python session (not in the yaml file)?
16:38 < kanzure> I guess you can have a proxy variable or something that you assign in the yaml file, and then later when you load it up you replace it with the actual variable or something
16:43 < fenn> yaml only points to a yaml node
16:44 < kanzure> no I just mean in a post_init_hook
16:44 < kanzure> nevermind I answered the question myself
16:48 < ybit> warning, a thought which was pondered while high is coming up: does anyone else recognize an oscillation of thought modes every few seconds?
16:49 < fenn> no, for me it's totally random
16:50 < ybit> i was thinking that this occurs continuously, but that it's difficult for anyone which is high to recognize it, and that it also occurs in periods of time as well, not just every few seconds. then again, this could just be what a certain strand of weed does to the mind. 
16:51  * ybit doesn't plan on using green for a long time, at least a year
16:51 < fenn> uh huh.
16:52 < genehacker> does anyone ever notice that if close your eyes and move your hand you can see movement where it is 
16:52 < fenn> you can pick up light through your eyes, and also your brain anticipates what you expect to see
16:52 < genehacker> even if your hand happens to be behind a concrete wall which doesn't pass light?
16:52 < genehacker> yeah
16:52 < genehacker> the brain anticipation part is cool
16:54 < ybit> there's also other sensory organs which help
16:54 < fenn> yes like your pit viper infrared sensors
16:54 < genehacker> hey don't be telling people about those
16:55 < ybit> i was thinking more like your skin and ears but, those work too :P
16:55 < genehacker> well the implication that I can see where my hand is 
16:56 < genehacker> means that arm movement information is being could be processed in my visual processing sector
16:56 < kanzure> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/political-pictures-barack-obama-bat-signal.jpg
16:57 < genehacker> healthcare discussion?
16:58 < fenn> genehacker: you don't necessarily need any sensory input to imagine your hand doing something
16:58 < genehacker> so then in that case I'm keeping track of where my arm is
16:59 < fenn> no, you just think you are
16:59 < genehacker> oh dear this seems to be heading for philosophy mighty fast
16:59 < fenn> not really
16:59 < kanzure> nope
16:59 < fenn> look up ramachandran's mirror
17:01 < genehacker> oh wow
17:03 < genehacker> that's interesting
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17:04 < genehacker> now if we only knew how it happened in the brain
17:05 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r ab5152d /core/skdb.py: Package.makes_sense updated to help assist in package creation
17:05 < genehacker> I need to commit that code
17:06 < kanzure> are you on linux at the moment?
17:07 < genehacker> yes
17:07 < drazak_> kanzure: did you ever tell me who that josh guy is?
17:07 < kanzure> drazak_: no, but I don't know anyway
17:08 < genehacker> I need to get the code off the server
17:08 < drazak_> kanzure: ok
17:08 < drazak_> kanzure: he seems to know stuff, or atleast have read papers, but he also seems like he doesn't have any wet lab experience
17:08 < kanzure> genehacker: do this: mkdir -p ~/code/ ; cd ~/code/ ; git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git 
17:08 < genehacker> there are some comments in it too
17:09 < kanzure> that's better than no comments
17:09 < fenn> how is he going to push?
17:09 < fenn> or make it available somehow
17:09 < fenn> genehacker: i think you're supposed to make a fork on github
17:10 < genehacker> it's also in .m
17:10 < kanzure> that's fine
17:10 < kanzure> as long as it's not a binary format
17:11 < genehacker> do you know how I get things off the server?
17:11 < kanzure> copy?
17:11 < genehacker> yeah the me server
17:14 < genehacker> do you know if citrix works on linux?
17:15 < genehacker> and how do I install software in a tar file?
17:16 < genehacker> think I got it
17:20 < fenn> genehacker: why don't you just put it on pastebin.ca?
17:22 < genehacker> the code?
17:22 < genehacker> think I will
17:22 < genehacker> that's why I'm trying to get to it on the appserver
17:22 < genehacker> I need to install some software to do that
17:23 < genehacker> in the form of a tar.gz file
17:37 < genehacker> having trouble installing
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17:45 < xp_prg> I have my weekly meeting tomorrow at the Tech Shop in Mountain View, CA, I am trying to find a speaker, anyone interested?
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17:55 < genehacker> code bin isn't working
17:56 < genehacker> gives me 404 not found
17:56 < genehacker> I'll email it to you kanzure
17:57 < drazak_> `are any of you big tea fans?
17:58 < ybit> can't say i'm a fan, but i do like tea
17:58 < drazak_> someone suggested ti kuan yin oolong, and I can't remember who it was or what channel it wsa in
17:58 < ybit> xp_prg: make sure the speech is recorded so that i may scrutinize it ;)
17:59 < drazak_> I think it was in #xkcd but I can't seem to find the person from there that suggested it
17:59 < drazak_> xp_prg: yeah, I'd like to scrutinize it too, how's that primer designing program coming?
17:59 < xp_prg> haven't had a chance to get to it, but I will :>
18:00 < ybit> drazak_: haven't tried that variant
18:09 < xp_prg> so you guys don't know anyone who would be interested?
18:11 < fenn> genehacker: i said pastebin.ca because other sites tend not to work reliably
18:11 < genehacker> pastebin.ca failed
18:12 < genehacker> sent it to kanzure
18:12 < fenn> how did it fail?
18:12 < genehacker> 404 file not found
18:12 < fenn> what was the link?
18:20 < genehacker> http://pastebin.ca/1544010
18:20 < genehacker> works now 
18:20 < genehacker> have fun
18:20 < genehacker> having trouble with it though
18:22 < fenn> what are the colons in angle*(m-1):0.1:((m)*angle)
18:23  * fenn wonders if he should convert this to python
18:24 < genehacker> oh that
18:25 < genehacker> colons like that mean make a matrix from a to b
18:26 < fenn> theta is a matrix?
18:26 < genehacker> 1:3 makes  [1,2,3]
18:26 < genehacker> 2:2:8 makes [2,4, 6, 8]
18:26 < genehacker> not smiley face
18:26  * ybit wasn't aware of http://rsi.aip.org/
18:26 < genehacker> but 8
18:27 < fenn> so theta is a matrix from angle*(m-1) to angle*m in incrememnts of 0.1?
18:28 < genehacker> yeah
18:28 < genehacker> something like that
18:28 < genehacker> anyway
18:28 < genehacker> I'm having trouble with cycloidal gearing
18:29 < genehacker> I forgot why I did the rb/z thing
18:29 < fenn> that's the gear module i think
18:30 < genehacker> oh yeah
18:31 < genehacker> oh thanks
18:34 < genehacker> this can't be right...
18:35 < genehacker> The paper I got this gear design from didn't say much about the design
18:37 < ybit> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/unsorted/Print%20Your%20Atomic%20Force%20Microscope.pdf
18:37 < fenn> genehacker: what paper was that btw?
18:38 < ybit> ah, http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Print%20your%20atomic%20force%20microscope.pdf
18:38 < ybit> thought only http://heybryan.org/books/papers/How%20to%20build%20a%20plastic%20AFM.html was available
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19:23 < kanzure> guh? http://www.memebox.com/futureblogger/show/1741-a-brain-implant-for-artificial-motivation
19:26 < kanzure> "Reclaim™ Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) Therapy received a Humanitarian Device Exemption from the FDA for the treatment of chronic, severe, treatment-resistant OCD."
19:32 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/diybio.png :P
19:33 < ybit> i'm guessing that's the number of redundant questions on the y axis and the number of new members on the x?
19:36 < kanzure> it was actually used once to plot the rate of my posting
19:37 < ybit> But still, let's say we're splurging, and not sharing, here: 500 for the Neurofeedback device. 250 (for nice round numbers) for the TMS device. Both of which can produce nootropic effects. So, ask yourself: is 750 dollars worth the ability to periodically sleep for only 2 hours for the day, increase your IQ by up to 30 points, and be effectively 'stress-free'?
19:37 < kanzure> from the html file in the docs folder?
19:38 < kanzure> I was actually re-reading that yesterday.
19:38 < kanzure> "how much would it cost to become transhuman"
19:38 < ybit> http://www.functionalisminaction.com/2007/09/how-much-would-it-cost-to-become.html
19:38 < kanzure> oh, well it's in the docs folder too
19:38 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/how-much-would-it-cost-to-become-transhuman.html
19:38 < ybit> it was from the docs, but i didn't want to link to your server
19:38 < kanzure> understandably :(
19:38 < ybit> right
19:39 < ybit> 2 hours of sleep per day and increase iq by 30 points with eeg and tms? really? please citate blogger!
19:40 < ybit> that doesn't sound very researched :P
19:40 < fenn> genehacker: is it supposed to look like this? http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal.png
19:40 < kanzure> 404
19:41 < ybit> but if anyone has links to certain papers claiming this...
19:41 < kanzure> you might want to look in http://heybryan.org/books/papers/open-rtms/ but I'm not entirely sure I recall any papers claiming that
19:42 < kanzure> if you do find it, be sure to update human-brain.yaml
19:42 < fenn> try again
19:42 < kanzure> works
19:43 < ybit> "Various resources, uncovered during my research, indicated that the 'best' site to acquire adrafinil within the US is a site called Biogenesis.com. There, one can acquire a 1-month supply for $33.25. Thus, a one-year supply would be in the order of 350 dollars."  ~350 is the cost of one month supplies (without insurance)
19:44 < kanzure> are you sure you said that correctly?
19:44 < kanzure> it says 350 for a year
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19:45 < ybit> i meant to say that's the cost of modafinil
19:46 < ybit> $30.20 is the price of adrafinil from the link now, that's a $3.25 reduction
19:47 < ybit> so we can expect it to be free in 10 years? :)
19:51 < fenn> genehacker: or like this? http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal2.png
19:52 < fenn> ew that looks terrible as a png
19:54 < kanzure> fenn did you see my fix to paths.py?
19:54 < genehacker> like what?
19:54 < genehacker> did you get the code to work?
19:55 < fenn> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/cycloidal4.png looks like it as sort of a lump where the arc flips over
19:55 < fenn> genehacker: i rewrote it in python
19:55 < kanzure> maybe I'll get something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Sharper-Image-Personal-Cooling-System/dp/B000XO2LNC
19:56 < fenn> kanzure: was my vector wrong?
19:56 < fenn> i rechecked that like 5 times
19:57 < kanzure> it's entirely possible that my vector is wrong but it shows the wrong thing
19:58 < kanzure> er, but it shows the right thing
19:58 < kanzure> you had: build_trsf(point,[0,-1,0],[1,0,0])
19:58 < kanzure> I put: build_trsf(point,[0,-1,0],[-1,0,0])
19:58 < genehacker> cycloid 2 is right
19:59 < genehacker> SWEET?
19:59 < genehacker> how'd you do plot?
19:59 < genehacker> does python have plot?
20:00 < kanzure> python has everything
20:00 < genehacker> is it making lines?
20:01 < genehacker> and could you extrude it to 3d using some python?
20:04 < genehacker> paper
20:04 < genehacker> let me find it fenn
20:05 < genehacker> Construction Principle and Torque Solution of the 
20:05 < genehacker> Translational Meshing Motor 
20:05 < genehacker>  
20:05 < genehacker> Qiang Xu, Qizheng Liao, Shimin Wei, Xiguang Huang, Xin Wen 
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20:14 < genehacker> fenn?
20:15 < fenn> do you have a url for me?
20:15 < fenn> i write an svg so i could import it to heekscad and extrude
20:16 < kanzure> gee you totally just blasted my work for albert's thesis out of the water
20:16 < fenn> um, assuming heekscad didnt crash every time i run it
20:16 < kanzure> heekscad still crashes on extrude?
20:17 < genehacker> well anyway to make really small lines in heekscad with python bindings?
20:17 < fenn> heekscad crashes on my debian machines upon launching, somethin to do with wx
20:18 < genehacker> anyway mind sending me the script you used to generate those .PNGs?
20:18 < genehacker> python version
20:22 < fenn> http://pastebin.ca/1544126
20:22 < fenn> you'll have to get python-cairo
20:24 < genehacker> python has a surf command, sweet
20:24 < fenn> that's a variable name
20:25 < genehacker> ben lipkowitz?
20:25 < fenn> i'm not a lawyer
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20:27 < genehacker> you're writing it to png?
20:28 < genehacker> as in turning it from svg to png?
20:28 < fenn> omg heekscad is so slow on my laptop
20:28 < fenn> it writes two files
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20:29 < genehacker> one in svg?
20:30 < fenn> ya
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20:32 < kanzure> you people suck at lurking
20:32 < genehacker> awesome
20:40  * fenn waits
20:41 < genehacker> before I get into that python though I need to figure out how to make 1 tooth difference gears
20:42 < fenn> cycloidal(99); cycloidal(100)
20:42 < genehacker> not so fast
20:42 < genehacker> 1 tooth difference gears that interlock
20:42 < genehacker> or mesh with one inside the other
20:45 < fenn> oh i guess it wouldnt work actually
20:45 < fenn> you need to specify the modulo, not the radius
20:45 < fenn> then figure out the radius based on the number of teeth
20:46 < genehacker> I know
20:46 < genehacker> I'm doing that right now
20:50 < fenn> "too few computrons available"
20:51 < fenn> apparently turning off wondershaper doesn't have the intended effect
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20:56 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_pocket1.png http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_pocket2.png
20:58 < genehacker> err...
20:58 < genehacker> this is annoying
20:59 < genehacker> addendum and deddendum radius are the same
20:59 < genehacker> so I'm not so sure if this will work
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21:45 < fenn> well this looks like crap http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_3d.png
21:57 < ybit> sudo make me a pancake
21:58 < ybit> http://www.uncrate.com/men/home/kitchen/chefstack-automatic-pancake-machine/
21:58 < ybit> linked from http://www.alphaonelabs.com/wiki/index.php/Projects
22:00 < genehacker> fenn I think the profile I chose won't work as well
22:00 < genehacker> I don't think I can get the 1 tooth difference I need 
22:00 < genehacker> between the inner and outer gears
22:00 < ybit> had these the other day: http://www.twistentertaining.com/portal/Portals/0/strawberry on a stick.jpg
22:01 < ybit> that's a fried choco strawberry
22:01 < ybit> yum
22:02 < fenn> genehacker: why not?
22:02 < genehacker> I can't adjust the module with this design can I?
22:02 < fenn> one moment
22:04 < genehacker> so I am bashing my head against the not very well documented gear profile used in the pneumatic wobble motor
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22:10 < ybit> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-Carbonated-Fruit/
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> How-to-Make-Carbonized-Fruit/ may be more exciting
22:11 < genehacker> not really
22:11 < genehacker> carbonated fruit taste better
22:11 < katsmeow-afk> i used the qualifier "may"
22:12 < katsmeow-afk> but carbonized fruit would make a better filter than fizzy fresh fruit
22:13 < fenn> how about we encase the fruit in carbonite
22:16 < fenn> genehacker what's the prob with this? http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_9_10.svg
22:17 < genehacker> what did you do?
22:18 < genehacker> how did you do that?
22:18 < fenn> or even http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal_8_10.svg
22:18 < fenn> i just moved it over a bit in inkscape to look like it's meshed
22:19 < genehacker> 1 tooth difference is better higher reduction ratio
22:19 < fenn> how does addendum/dedendum work with cycloidal gears?
22:20 < genehacker> it's equal to the diameter of the rolling circle
22:21 < genehacker> I think
22:21 < fenn> oh, i changed it to use module btw
22:21 < genehacker> ok
22:21 < genehacker> how?
22:21 < genehacker> every time I mess with the module
22:22 < genehacker> I get something bad
22:22 < genehacker> try a 35 in a 36
22:22 < genehacker> if it involves moving svg's you needn't bother
22:22 < fenn> ug. this laptop is too slow
22:24 < fenn> http://pastebin.ca/1544244
22:25 < genehacker> that makes sense
22:27 < genehacker> so it looks like it will mess
22:28 < genehacker> there needs to be some gap
22:28 < genehacker> there is zero gap with one tooth difference
22:28 < fenn> i guess subtracting a cylinder from the center of the ring gear wouldn't hurt anything
22:29 < genehacker> ???
22:29 < fenn> like imagine you're boring it out on a lathe
22:30 < fenn> ok maybe not
22:30 < genehacker> what would that do?
22:30 < fenn> what if you just scaled it up a little bit?
22:31 < genehacker> what then the module wouldn't be the same
22:31 < fenn> only by a tiny bit
22:32 < genehacker> that might work
22:32 < genehacker> though this other gear profile looks more promising
22:32 < genehacker> it's just driving me nuts
22:34 < genehacker> well I'll just add more teeth to deal with the decreased number of steps
22:37 < genehacker> 72 gear teeth hmmmm....
22:39 < genehacker> how does one calculate reduction ratio?
22:42 < genehacker> got it
22:44 < fenn> for "vernier" gears it's number of teeth/difference
22:45 < genehacker> just making sure
22:45 < fenn> i think you use the smaller gear
22:45 < genehacker> that's really irritating I need twice as many teeth with this design
22:45 < genehacker> I can't
22:46 < fenn> i mean for the ratio calculation
22:46 < genehacker> oh
22:46 < genehacker> that's out of the question
22:46 < fenn> huh?
22:46 < fenn> i suggest building a model with zero clearance and see if it's as bad as you think
22:47 < genehacker> ok
22:47 < fenn> also try scaling the pinion 0.99
22:47 < fenn> and 0.95
22:47 < genehacker> so this is for a stepper motor
22:47 < genehacker> for reprap
22:48 < genehacker> minimum number of steps is 200
22:48 < fenn> uh, why 200?
22:48 < genehacker> because that's what reprap requires
22:48 < fenn> O RLY
22:49 < fenn> well anyway you get 3* number of teeth right?
22:49 < fenn> numbe of bladders * number of teeth
22:50 < genehacker> yeah 2*3 *reduction ratio
22:50 < genehacker> *2 because of half stepping
23:10 < genehacker> wtf is a stub involute?
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23:19 < fenn> scaling the inner gear by 0.99 seems to look ok
23:22 < genehacker> ok
23:22 < genehacker> I'll try printing off a copy and seeing how it works
23:23 < genehacker> also figured out I might be able to aproximate this other gear profile
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