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00:32 < xp_prg> http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/polonator.php
00:32 < xp_prg> they are saying the software that runs this is opensouce
00:33 < xp_prg> where can it be found?
00:35 < bkero> "Open Source", "License Free"
00:35 < bkero> These tools will be made available to the community.
00:35 < xp_prg> yes where can I get them?
00:36 < bkero> It comes with 2 Duo Core PCs with 3 TByes of Storage
00:36 < bkero> lowest price = eleventy billion cents
00:36 < xp_prg> o maintain his vision for an Open system, all of the source code for this software, fully commented, is freely downloadable so that others can further optimize it as well as develop tools for others to use.  (See software for the link to the ftp site).
00:36 < bkero> Probably have to email
00:37 < bkero> J Adams (May 31st 2009, 10:00pm)
00:37 < bkero> We are currently upgrading the user interface and working on data processing capabilities. 
00:38 < xp_prg> e are working on an update that will be available then, or shortly after.  You can obtain the source code for the current release by visiting the Church Lab?s web-site at:
00:38 < xp_prg>     http://arep.med.harvard.edu
00:39 < xp_prg> I don't see it readily on this site
00:39 < bkero> What a terrible web site
00:40 < xp_prg> found it!  http://arep.med.harvard.edu/Polonator/soft.html
00:41 < bkero> Wonder what kind of hardware you'd need to run these
00:41 < xp_prg> they run on a pc
00:42 < xp_prg> they also run on linux based on my understanding
00:42 < bkero> I know they run on a PC
00:42 < bkero> I'm wondering what hardware is attached to the PC
00:44 < xp_prg> some kind of camera that takes a huge amount of pictures is all I know right now
00:46 < xp_prg> I would love, love, love to know more!
00:46 < xp_prg> it appears they are using flourescing tags
00:47 < bkero> http://gizmodo.com/5348493/cooking-with-magnets-an-intro-to-induction
00:48 < xp_prg> bkero concentrate on this, who cares about anything else!
00:49 < bkero> xp_prg: You have no idea how many things I do at the same time.
00:50 < xp_prg> well help to figure this out, this is majorly exciting to me!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:55 < xp_prg> they are using a bunch of python!
00:55 < xp_prg> this is way cool
00:59 < xp_prg> http://www.polonator.org/
00:59 < xp_prg> tell me more of what they are describing here please
01:01 < xp_prg> bkero what does this mean:  http://www.polonator.org/faqs.aspx
01:03 < xp_prg> bkero hello?
01:03 < bkero> Yes?
01:03 < xp_prg> are you reading this, explain stuff to me please!! :>
01:03 < bkero> Afraid I probably know less than you.
01:04 < xp_prg> can you pretend to know what they are saying?
01:05 < bkero> I could, but I wouldn't be able to tell you anything useful.
01:07 < xp_prg> no pretend I said
01:07 < xp_prg> pretend to understand what they are saying here:  http://www.polonator.org/flowcells.aspx
01:10 < bkero> The flow cell has a lot of imaging area, efficiently uses reagents, and has good thermal conductivity so thermal cycling is faster...
01:11 < bkero> It's got two channels for doing two runs at once
01:11 < bkero> Just a giant grid of cameras
01:12 < xp_prg> what do the channels do, what reaction is occurring?
01:12 < xp_prg> it appears pcr is occurring
01:12 < xp_prg> what are they copying?
01:12 < bkero> Depends on what you put in it
01:13 < xp_prg> it is doing some kind of analysis of DNA is all I know
01:14 < bkero> It's just a bunch of cameras and a bunch of stuff to make reagents work well
01:15 < bkero> Probably to capture the reaction of a reagent's affect on the cell
01:15 < bkero> kanzure: Am I anywhere ballpark?
01:15  * bkero knows dick-all about biology.
01:15 < xp_prg> well I guess dna is put in there and the reagents do stuff to make the dna be seen?
01:34 < xp_prg> I am going to the ICSB conference at Stanford Tomorrow
01:35 < xp_prg> only 45.00 for the tutorials and workshops!
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02:17 < ybit> http://www.zeva.com.au/tech.php
02:20 < ybit> meh, not what i was thinking.
02:22 < ybit> http://www.rowetel.com/ev.html is decent, and it has a few qcad files
02:23 < ybit> CAD file of G102 Charade To Zibo motor Adaptor Plate http://www.rowetel.com/downloads/G102_adap_plate_v1b.dxf for example
02:37 < ybit> blargh, those cad files weren't great. time for sleep. when i wake up, i expect to have have the skdb-get pancakes package available ;)
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03:44 < kroliczak> hello, what can I do with http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml ?
03:44 < kroliczak> I have yaml module for Python installed
03:55 < fenn> kroliczak: that was just a transcription of a Make magazine article.. it's not useful at all
03:55 < fenn> if you want to load it into python do this:
03:56 < fenn> import yaml; foo = yaml.load(open('ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml'))
03:58 < fenn> i guess nobody has actually tried loading it into skdb yet
03:59 < kroliczak> i have loaded it into python
04:01 < katsmeow-afk> i disagree, i have never owned a ball peen hammer, but have several small sledgehammers
04:01 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 586cf5d /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: plus sign screws up range expression
04:02 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: all these lists are hopelessly incomplete to the point of not being useful
04:03 < katsmeow-afk> no wonder there's no soldering iron mentioned
04:05 < katsmeow-afk> mig welder:  level: extremely useful  ;  welding mask: level: can do without
04:05 < fenn> yeah what a dumbass
04:05 < fenn> especially to publish that in something like Make where people will actually believe it because they don't know any better
04:05 < katsmeow-afk> i have 3 welding facemasks, you never know when you run ovr one and then haveto do welding
04:06 < katsmeow-afk> what does BOM stand for?
04:06 < fenn> bill of materials
04:06 < katsmeow-afk> k
04:06 < fenn> they were clogging up inventory/ but weren't actual inventories
04:09  * fenn wonders whether 'extremely useful' is more useful than 'priority'
04:11 < katsmeow-afk> make it even worse:  absolutely required for rare events, elsewise totally useless
04:11 < fenn> yeah this whole list sort of goes against the idea of skdb
04:11 < fenn> you should have a list of activities and the tools they require
04:11 < fenn> if some tool shows up in 95% of activities then it's a good idea to get one
04:12 < katsmeow-afk> i agree
04:12 < katsmeow-afk> carpenters seldome need tigs
04:12 < katsmeow-afk> egine rebuilders seldome need tilting table saws
04:13 < katsmeow-afk> everyone needs a soldering iron
04:13 < fenn> i dunno about that
04:14 < katsmeow-afk> i once had a 140w gun, 12watt micro, 25w "normal", 60w standard, and 120w huge roofing iron
04:15 < katsmeow-afk> i had them, because i needed them at one time or another
04:15 < katsmeow-afk> i wish i could find the gun now, i have the 25w and 60w on the bench atm, lost the 120w roofing iron
04:16 < katsmeow-afk> the 12 was in the car and got wet and died
04:16 < katsmeow-afk> anyhoo, bbl
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04:18 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 46a96a1 /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: convert usefulness ratings to a numerical scale. this doesn't make it suck any less though.
04:19 < fenn> kroliczak: how did you hear about skdb?
04:20 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 6395874 /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: put blame where blame is due :P
04:22 < kroliczak> i have heard about skdb via one of Bryan's mailing-list posts and #openkollab
04:23 < kroliczak> CIA-32: are you writing into skdb ? 
04:24 < fenn> CIA-32 is a bot that relays updates to SKDB to this IRC channel
04:25 < fenn> i wish we had a tinyurl thingy in the message so you could just click on it to see the diff
04:26 < fenn> you can see here for example what the last change was http://adl.serveftp.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=commitdiff;h=6395874
04:26 < fenn> i added the line "maintainer: bryan bishop"
05:15 < katsmeow-afk> can anyone contribute data for the yaml files?
05:18 < fenn> you mean like the manufacturing process stuff?
05:19 < fenn> or "can anyone" as in "who is allowed"?
05:19 < fenn> the idea behind git is that anyone can make a clone and it's the maintainer's job to merge in changes from other contributors
05:19 < katsmeow-afk> or if i can provide data, should i keep my mouth shut?
05:19 < fenn> you can make a fork on github.com pretty easily
05:20 < katsmeow-afk> well, i know you, sorta, i am here because of you (historically), so i was aiming to give you a paw
05:20 < katsmeow-afk> err,hand
05:20 < fenn> thanks
05:20 < katsmeow-afk> i wasn't trying to butt in and become a "member" or anything
05:21 < fenn> i've spent the last month or so on this: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping.png http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping2.png http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping3.png
05:21 < fenn> so that's probably why it seems like there hasn't been much getting done
05:22 < fenn> anyway you don't have to be a "member" to make changes
05:22 < katsmeow-afk> i wasn't judging anything, i know you been doing things 
05:22 < fenn> it would be nice if there were books out there with data in them already we could just copy verbatim
05:23 < fenn> but it seems 99.999% of human knowledge is just plain text subjective descriptions
05:23 < katsmeow-afk> and wildly different formats
05:23 < fenn> right
05:23 < fenn> apparently there are 40,000 peer reviewed research journals now
05:23 < fenn> why we still don't have a de-facto "results" format is beyond me
05:24 < Utopiah> ResearchML ? could use the MIT AI-lab format they used for their fake AI-paper-writing trick
05:24 < fenn> Utopiah: but nobody uses it!
05:24 < katsmeow-afk> i think that was the point behind xml , but i don't see that stanndardised either,, even "job title",, i must have a million listed in Tiggr
05:25 < fenn> yeah even individual ontologies are not internally consistent
05:25 < fenn> like this crap bryan just typed up (technical-devices.yaml)
05:29 < katsmeow-afk> you want any of this sorta data ?
05:29 < katsmeow-afk> BABBITTER (machine shop) 709.684-022
05:29 < katsmeow-afk> Baby Sitter (domestic ser.) 301.677-010
05:29 < katsmeow-afk> BABY-STROLLER AND WHEELCHAIR RENTAL CLERK (retail trade) 295.367-014
05:30 < fenn> no, thanks
05:31 < katsmeow-afk> k
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05:45 < katsmeow-afk> 53-6041.00	Traffic Technicians	Technology	Trafficware Sim Traffic	43232604	Computer aided design CAD software
05:45 < katsmeow-afk> 53-6051.01	Aviation Inspectors	Tools	Aircraft Technical Publishers ATP Maintenance Planner	25191503	Integrated maintenance information systems
05:45 < katsmeow-afk> 53-6051.01	Aviation Inspectors	Tools	Angled feeler gauges	41111617	Feeler gauges
05:45 < katsmeow-afk> ?
05:45 < katsmeow-afk> 53-5021.03	Pilots, Ship	Tools	Wind gauges	41114401	Anemometers
05:45 < katsmeow-afk> 53-5021.03	Pilots, Ship	Technology	Jeppesen Marine Nobeltec Admiral	43232504	Route navigation software
05:46 < katsmeow-afk> 49-9044.00	Millwrights	Tools	Workshop bench vises	27112102	Bench vises
05:46 < katsmeow-afk> 49-9044.00	Millwrights	Technology	Autodesk AutoCAD software	43232604	Computer aided design CAD software
05:46 < katsmeow-afk> 32573 lines like that
05:51 < katsmeow-afk> 11-3021.00	Computer and Information Systems Managers	Plan, direct, or coordinate activities in such fields as electronic data processing, information systems, systems analysis, and computer programming.
05:54 < katsmeow-afk> jobs directory : 83Mbytes, 68 files
05:54  * katsmeow-afk stops browsing it and closes it
05:59 < fenn> there are endless lists of names of stuff, but nobody ever seems to actually explain what the stuff is or what it's good for
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06:02 < any93601512> erg
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06:12 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r fcc4049 /doc/technical-devices.yaml: make more hierarchical
06:13 < fenn> this is pointless without pictures to go with it
06:13 < fenn> i think most of these pictures are from patents so they're actually public domain
06:14 < fenn> i'm not going to be the one to scan, crop, and label all 9000 of them
06:21 < fenn> also one major bias to note is they mostly concentrate on mechanical things; i'm pretty sure that in 1971 they had more ways to measure time than stopwatch and pen recorder
06:22 < fenn> vacuum tubes are much more fun to illustrate than semiconductor devices
06:22 < fenn> likewise for rulers etc vs non-contact measurement
06:27 < katsmeow-afk> umm,,, what format are the pic on, in relation to the data? 
06:42 < katsmeow-afk> ./TridionMutlimedia/
06:55 < katsmeow-afk> most common 7-word sentence in google : "an error occurred while processing this directive"
06:56 < katsmeow-afk> most common 8-word sentence in google : "This site is best viewed with Internet Explorer"
06:56 < katsmeow-afk> most common 6-word sentence in google : "Your browser doesn't support them"
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07:24 < katsmeow-afk> some days it doesn't pay to steal a database:
07:24 < katsmeow-afk> Contextually Similar Pages {...air tools...}
07:24 < katsmeow-afk>           o  repairing tools
07:24 < katsmeow-afk>           o  hand forged fireplace tools
07:26 < katsmeow-afk> Contextually Similar Categories {...air tools...} :  incinerator
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08:40 < kanzure> heh I should rename skdb-get.py to gir.py... then we could say things like "GIR, make me a sandwich!"
08:40 < kanzure> gir: http://www.waipahums.k12.hi.us/eportfolio05-06/wisportfolio05-06/team8d_portfolios/ty_christine_e_portfolio/images/InvaderZim-GIR4.jpg
08:41 < kanzure> maybe a better description: http://www.designterrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Invader_Zim_by_Shadow_Raider02.jpg
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11:01 < ybit> i second the name grr :)
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11:22 < xp_prg> hi all, I am at the internation conference on systems biology!
11:22 < xp_prg> international
11:32 < kanzure> go away
11:35 < kanzure> and stop sending me those emails like "I am in room 102"
11:35 < kanzure> honestly I don't fucking care
11:45 < xp_prg> I made code yesterday in biopython! http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/
11:46 < kanzure> doesn't look like it
11:46 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/source/browse/#svn/trunk
11:46 < kanzure> nothing in there
11:46 < kanzure> also that's not biopython
11:48 < xp_prg> http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/source/browse/trunk/problem1/solution.py
11:48 < kanzure> ok
11:59 < xp_prg> http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/wiki/ProblemOne
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13:04 < ybit> this probably needs to be put into skdb at some point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIA_Standards
13:11 < ybit> or maybe not..
13:11 < kanzure> probably
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14:20 < kanzure> todo: save assembly graph and reload in paths.py
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14:25 < xp_prg> I am learning cell designer :>
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14:30 < xp_prg> drazak you here?
14:46 < kanzure> no go away
14:54 < xp_prg> cell designer is cool!
14:55 < xp_prg> kinetic reaction = reactants + modifiers => products
15:05 < xp_prg> I created a protein catalyst reaction then put it in a cell compartment
15:05 < xp_prg> now working on a complex
15:06 < kanzure> does that mean you can leave now?
15:08 < xp_prg> nope, got 4 more hours of tutorials
15:09 < kanzure> no I mean leave this channel
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15:10 < kanzure> hey embraceunity 
15:10 < embraceunity> hi
15:11 < xp_prg> http://www.yeastgenome.org/cgi-bin/locus.fpl?locus=YHR023W
15:11 < xp_prg> cell designer can search databases as well
15:11 < kanzure> we already know this
15:11 < kanzure> go away
15:11 < xp_prg> do you use cell designer?!
15:11 < kanzure> used it last year
15:11 < kanzure> now piss off
15:43 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFnd32egRM
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16:29 < kanzure> not sure how to wrap TopoDS_Shape
16:30 < kanzure> since the constructor takes no arguments
16:31 < kanzure> maybe copying the __dict__ of a TopoDS_Shape object is enough?
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16:32 < genehacker> hello davidnunez
16:33 < genehacker> didn't you say you could do medical tests with PCR?
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17:43 < kanzure> ann arbor maker faire images from the reprap-mi group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dugsong/sets/72157622053470559/
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18:35 < kanzure> http://givenimaging.com/
18:44 < xp_prg> how much is one of those?
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19:08 < genehacker> this is odd
19:09 < any17863947> we knew that
19:09 < genehacker> there is nothing even resembling or as big as a book in the books folder for the proprietary textbook thing
19:16 < genehacker> now this is downright creepy
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19:46 < genehacker> heh
19:46 < genehacker> I found the proprietary book format
19:46 < genehacker> I found my textbook woo!
19:52 < fenn> you still lose
19:54 < genehacker> Abstract
19:54 < genehacker> A system for providing digital rights management of protected content includes a client and a DRM manager. The client is capable of receiving at least one piece of content, the piece(s) of content being encrypted with at least one encryption key regardless of client user(s) authorized to access the piece(s) of encrypted content. To facilitate the client accessing one or more of the piece(s)...
19:54 < genehacker> ...of content, the DRM manager is capable of transferring the encryption key(s) to the client, the encryption key(s) being encrypted with a private key of a public key/private key pair unique to a client user associated with the client. The client can thereafter decrypt the encryption key(s) using the public key of the public key/private key pair unique to the client user. Then, the client...
19:54 < genehacker> ...can decrypt the piece(s) of content using the decrypted encryption key(s), and access the decrypted piece(s) of content.
19:54 < genehacker> yeah I still do
19:54 < genehacker> found the patent
19:55 < genehacker> it's rather confusing
19:55 < genehacker> I wonder if I could crack it
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19:57 < genehacker> I mean I know some of the message
19:57 < genehacker> as I can read the text and copy it out
19:58 < genehacker> is there anyway I can see what my computer is doing when decrypting the book?
20:00 < genehacker> maybe I should just wrangle me some compsci's
20:12 < kanzure> gearotica
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20:16 < genehacker> let me guess
20:16 < genehacker> HOT MESHING ACTION!
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