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02:20 < fenn> this is pretty cool; 1kJ from 1l of salt water: http://www.physorg.com/news171102611.html
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02:48 < kanzure> everyone sucks but me
02:48 < kanzure> http://www.maxmore.com/Order_Without_Orderers.htm
02:49 < fenn> heh "fenn is there all day tomorrow" really?
02:49 < kanzure> OR ELSE
02:54 < kanzure> ybit: would it be sufficiently geeky to make a lego afm?
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03:04 < fenn> genehacker: i probably won't be there tomorrow, since it seems i'm waking up at 2 am these days
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07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r e91e7c7 /packages/threads/ISO_and_UTS_Thread_Dimensions.svg: yoinked thread diagram from wikipedia
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r ee67c54 /core/interface.py: make this work on systems without igraph, at least the non-cgraph related parts
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 7664b40 /unittests/tests.py: add test for a Unit bug i noticed today
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 92975cd /unittests/tests.py: fix screw loading
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 3016659 /core/supplemental_units.dat: more
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r 31d1010 /unittests/tests.py: 1/unit didnt seem to be working
07:09 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r ed23e62 /core/supplemental_units.dat: Merge branch 'master' of ~/git/skdb
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08:03 < fenn> NotImplementedError: In user defined base classes, abstract methods should raise this exception when they require derived classes to override the method.
08:04 < fenn> notice it doesn't say "when you are too lazy to actually write the code, raise this error instead"
08:04 < kanzure> bah
08:05 < kanzure> I'll define my own error, then
08:05 < kanzure> KanzureError
08:06 < fenn> cool i never knew about Warning exceptions
08:07 < kanzure> "warning this sucks" ?
08:07 < fenn> DeprecationWarning PendingDeprecationWarning RuntimeWarning SyntaxWarning UserWarning FutureWarning ImportWarning UnicodeWarning BytesWarning
08:09 < kanzure> FutureWarning?
08:09 < fenn> Base class for warnings about constructs that will change semantically in the future
08:18 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 88d8290 /readme: updated readme to represent some recent work
08:18 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r d290ca3 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
08:18 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 2901258 /readme: dumped some text into the readme
08:28 < kanzure> ack I never pushed that original update to readme? oh well
08:33 < fenn> did you try to rebase or something?
08:33 < kanzure> no
08:33 < kanzure> nothing went wrong
08:35 < fenn> move along, citizen
08:35 < kanzure> yessir
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08:38 < kanzure> core/interface.py has an assertion error: assert self.interface1.part in cgraph.dict().values()
08:38 < kanzure> which makes sense because I don't have igraph
08:38 < kanzure> can you point me to the dot deb for igraph?
08:42 < fenn> blargh
08:42 < fenn> now i can't find it in ubuntu either
08:42 < fenn> i wish there was a dpkg-where-did-this-come-from
08:44 < fenn> you can add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://cneurocvs.rmki.kfki.hu /packages/binary/
08:44 < fenn> appparently i downloaded the .deb's somehow
08:44 < kanzure> this doesn't sound like a very standard package, fenn
08:45 < fenn> no
08:45 < fenn> there aren't any other python graph packages are there?
08:45 < fenn> anyway it looks a lot more complete than python-graph
08:45 < kanzure> python-graph - transitional dummy package
08:45 < kanzure> ok
08:45 < kanzure> whatever. I'm just hoping there isn't too much cruft to get skdb running on someone else's system
08:46 < fenn> wtf where did python-graph come from
08:46 < fenn> aha
08:46 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/python-graph/
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08:46 < fenn> so apparently now python-graph is in debian (was it not before?) but is not in ubuntu intrepid
08:47 < kanzure> python-graph has been in debian for a long time
08:47 < kanzure> python-pygraph
08:47 < kanzure> oh it might be called 'python-pygraphviz'
08:47 < fenn> that's not useful
08:48 < fenn> it just does some crap like graphviz.write_dot_file
08:48 < fenn> er, graphviz.read_dot_file
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09:13 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/garage-bio-magazine-editorial
09:14 < fenn> boo hiss
09:16 < fenn> i just realized that pitch is not the same as distance/thread for multi-start threads
09:16 < fenn> (again)
09:21 < kanzure> http://garagebiomagazine.com/
09:25 < fenn> so, access denied, and access denied. thanks a bunch
09:28 < kanzure> no problem
09:28 < kanzure> just showing the "progress"
09:28 < kanzure> heee
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10:21 < fenn> 1:1 scale gundam is sufficiently h+ to warrant mention in here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nophotonolife/3822887753/
10:25 < fenn> no need to thank me for sparing you from inane otaku/furry comments
10:28 < kanzure> "
10:28 < kanzure> "-Andrew is commiting $2000 toward the first 2 issues, covering copy-
10:28 < kanzure> editing, print samples, graphic design, etc "
10:32 < kanzure> http://vixra.org/ arxiv.org alternative
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11:51 < genehacker> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/09/pattern_kits_for_gingery_machines.html
11:51 < genehacker> possible kit idea
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15:20 < katsmeow-afk> what does it mean "stack overflow" ? http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=747
15:22 < kanzure> stderr to stdout: something-that-generates-errors 2>&1
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15:26 < kanzure> IOError: error in package "lego": could not read file "3673.png"
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16:55 < ybit> so what's the differing of opinions between fenn & kanzure and smari & samrose?
17:04 < drazak> about what?
17:08 < kanzure> about who's more awesome
17:08 < kanzure> clearly I think I am more awesome
17:13 < ybit> just wondering why tbit and skdb split as soon as they merged
17:13 < ybit> over xml?..
17:14 < kanzure> they split?
17:14 < kanzure> what??
17:14 < kanzure> when did this happen?
17:15 < ybit> is what i'm told by smari
17:15 < kanzure> he hasn't told me anything
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17:19 < ybit> give me awhile, and i'll give you a copy of the conversation
17:19 < ybit> emerging python atm so i can't sync my imap folder
17:19 < ybit> s/folder/server
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17:38 < fenn> i haven't heard anything from smari at all in months
17:39 < fenn> well, a month
17:39 < fenn> afaik tbit was just inventory/site stuff, so far
17:42 < drazak> I'm going through xkcd and finding comics that my physics teacher may have missed, he likes xkcd, but I'm sure he hasn't read all of the old comics
17:49 < kanzure> "The government had to nationalize a bunch of patents, set the license fees reasonably and pay back the original inventors to get more people working on planes."
17:55 < ybit> http://tools.suckless.org/
18:17 < ybit> http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-SPECS/
18:20 < ybit> http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/videos/index.html
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19:19 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
19:19 < kanzure> updated the description
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19:59 < ybit> kanzure: gingery?
20:00 < drazak> they say gingerol boosts brain power
20:00 < ybit> i see
20:00 < drazak> I dunno if that has anything to do with the gingery thing
20:00 < drazak> but
20:00 < drazak> who knows
20:01 < drazak> :D
20:01 < ybit> it's referring to david gingery
20:01 < drazak> oh right
20:01 < ybit> :)
20:01 < drazak> well gingerol does that too
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21:11 < ybit> kanzure: give me admin privs please
21:11 < kanzure> on what?
21:11 < ybit> i want to ban xp_prg :P
21:11 < kanzure> there are no ops in here
21:11  * ybit raises his fists to gods of nix
21:12 < ybit> dammit, so many package dep issues in my portage install, taking me forever to do simple things like install occ or use anything which requires python -_-
21:14 < ybit> i thought occ was installed, but it wasn't there was some python dep problem, python-updater fails, revdep-rebuild failed, maybe this emerge world won't fail. i either need more control (a la lfs or slack) or less (a la arch)
21:14  * ybit likes his time though so arch is appealing
21:15 < ybit> alias ohshit='emerge -DNuva world && revdep-rebuild'
21:15 < fenn> kanzure: it was from fritzing.org
21:17 < ybit> nice
21:18 < fenn> myriel milicevic http://neighbourhoodsatellites.com/
21:18 < ybit> 02:48 < kanzure> everyone sucks but me
21:18 < kanzure> it's true
21:18 < ybit> is that what you tell yourself when you wake up kanzure? :P
21:20 < fenn> he remixed it into a techno song and falls asleep listening to it
21:20 < kanzure> it's no-suck trance volume three (radio edit)
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21:23 < ybit> right, so military grade soldering was listed in one of the sites above
21:23 < ybit> mil-s-45743e
21:25 < ybit> finishing going through the training on the manual tomorrow, yayboo
21:25 < ybit> seems nothing has changed since '79, imagine that
21:26 < ybit> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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21:26 < ybit> That's a partial misunderstanding. I did merge with SKDB at one point,
21:26 < ybit> but almost immediately thereafter a certain conflict arose and I have
21:26 < ybit> since been developing Tangible Bit independently as before with a
21:26 < ybit> growing assortment of collaborators. It wasn't a major conflict, just a
21:26 < ybit> difference of opinion between myself and Sam on the one hand and Bryan
21:26 < ybit> and Ben on the other, and Sam and I decided to keep plotting our own
21:26 < ybit> path for now and perhaps try again at a merge at some later date.
21:26 < ybit> Either way, the SKDB name would never have worked for me. :)
21:26 < ybit> - Sm?ri
21:26 < ybit> - Show quoted text -
21:26 < ybit> Heath Matlock wrote:
21:26 < ybit> > 2009/9/1 Sm?ri McCarthy <smari@anarchism.is>:
21:26 < ybit> >> Thanks for the pointer. Do you think we need to rebrand?
21:26 < ybit> >
21:26 < ybit> > I thought you already rebranded by merging with SKDB?
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21:26 < ybit> figured i would just paste since python wants to be stubborn tonight
21:27 < kanzure> not sure what conflict he's talking about
21:27 < kanzure> honestly sam didn't want to talk with me or something
21:27 < kanzure> and got angry and never came back
21:27 < ybit> really? man.. i don't recall that
21:27 < ybit> you two seemed to be hitting it off about some evolutionary programming or something
21:28 < kanzure> you'd think so, but he didn't seem to understand my tone or something
21:28 < kanzure> and he thought I thought he was a moron
21:29 < ybit> the logs show no sign of him getting angry, maybe through email?
21:29 < kanzure> search the logs for "difficult"
21:29 < ybit> % grep -i -r difficult irclogs/freenode/\#hplusroadmap.log | grep samrose
21:30 < ybit> 11:18 < samrose> well, the intitial work could be difficult
21:30 < kanzure> no
21:30 < ybit> ah
21:31 < ybit> no? then what convo..
21:32 < fenn> i agree sam had some totally unrealistic expectations and thought we were just making up the whole de-facto industry standard data suckiness problem
21:32 < fenn> i thought he agreed to port some matweb data though
21:32 < kanzure> hmm I recall the same too
21:33  * ybit recalls that part of the convo
21:34 < fenn> that was Tue Jul 21 2009
21:34 < kanzure> doesn't take that long to write a crappy parser
21:35 < fenn> i think he was more into community gardening or something
21:35 < fenn> sorry, "urban agriculture"
21:36 < fenn> < samrose> but, typing shit out by hand is not how I usually operate, and I disagree that you'd be forced to type this out all by hand no matter what
21:37 < genehacker2> conflict with skdb?
21:37 < fenn> i guess that was the disagreement
21:37 < kanzure> samrose just wasn't listening 
21:37 < fenn> at least with samrose
21:37 < kanzure> you don't just magically get data from The Void
21:38 < genehacker2> ok so does it matter if someone disagrees with skdb?
21:38 < kanzure> not really. but smari is actually a somewhat good programmer
21:38 < kanzure> and he ran a fablab back in the day
21:38 < kanzure> so having him contributing is pretty neat
21:38 < genehacker2> but is it necessary?
21:38 < kanzure> are you necessary?
21:39 < fenn> smari is smart and has the right motives and ideals, and basically working on the same thing.. i think it matters
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21:39 < genehacker2> I am not sure if I am necessary
21:40 < fenn> well so far you haven't even managed to install any supporting libraries
21:40 < fenn> (or download any code even?)
21:41 < ybit> 19:57 < samrose> java is actually a great programming lang
21:41 < ybit> hmmm
21:41 < ybit> that's disappointing :)
21:41 < fenn> comments or thoughtful edits appreciated http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
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21:42 < ybit> fenn: did you give proper attribution for that image?
21:43 < ybit> or request to use it? if not, that's cool... it's just something to consider when you go skdb.org or whatever
21:43 < fenn> no, kanzure stole it, 100% of the blame -> kanzure
21:43 < fenn> it's not quite right anyway
21:44 < fenn> there's nothing about networks and sharing
21:44 < genehacker2> you could use an image search engine to find the source
21:44 < ybit> remove the circuit board plugged into the wall and the breadboard and replace it with a human thinking of submarines would be more appropriate
21:45 < ybit> genehacker2: he already knows where it came from
21:45 < ybit> see fritzing
21:45  * kanzure proposes we steal the artist
21:45 < genehacker2> let's
21:45 < genehacker2> or at least ask for permission to use the image
21:46 < ybit> my company has offered to give me solidworks, *blah*
21:46 < ybit> was re:"If you have access to expensive proprietary CAD software such as Solidworks, CATIA, or AutoCAD, and wish to help, please contact us at openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com"
21:47 < fenn> alright, get converting!
21:47 < genehacker2> convert what?
21:47 < fenn> um. stuff.
21:47 < ybit> other cad programs already do this if i'm not mistaking
21:47 < fenn> do what?
21:47 < fenn> import .SLDPRT files?
21:47 < fenn> ich dont think so
21:47 < ybit> huh
21:48 < ybit> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4463899/SolidWorks_2009
21:48 < ybit> what's the point of needing someone else to physically give you the program on the cd when this is available
21:48 < kanzure> fyi, I have a copy of solidworks 2005, 2006, 2009
21:49 < kanzure> and autodesk inventor and mechanical
21:49 < fenn> me too me too
21:49 < kanzure> I also have a copy of pro/e
21:49 < fenn> i have solidworks 2013
21:49 < fenn> post-mayan calendar version
21:49  * ybit needs a good enough computer to run a virtualized windows session
21:49 < ybit> fenn: please seed ;)
21:49 < genehacker2> do you even use those kanzure?
21:49 < kanzure> yes sometimes
21:51 < genehacker2> on wine?
21:51 < kanzure> unfortunately no
21:51 < kanzure> autodesk stuff is hard to set up under wine IIRC
21:51 < kanzure> lots of license-server bullshit
21:52 < fenn> ybit: ok here's something to convert, i just ran across it the other day, not that i'm particularly interested in it but it would make a good skdb package except for all the files are .SLDPRT: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
21:53 < fenn> i should probably have been keeping a list of neat stuff but in the wrong format, oh well
21:53 < fenn> and there's the whole "national design repository" which contains god knows what
21:53 < kanzure> you rang?
21:53 < kanzure> just spit out the files
21:54 < fenn> are you talking to me?
21:54 < kanzure> yes
21:56 < fenn> kanzure: http://192.168.1.86/irc/backblaze-storage-pod-3d-design.zip
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22:05 < genehacker2> http://www.physorg.com/news171209923.html
22:05 < genehacker2> magnetic monopoles exist
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22:41 < ybit> that's 22tb on each one of those backblaze hard drives..
22:42 < ybit> wow, i need to sleep
22:42 < ybit> was thinking they were shooting for 1pb with one of those boxes
22:45 < ybit> off to bed it is while gcc recompiles...
22:45 < ybit> btw, fenn, where'd you hear about this blackbox setup?