--- Day changed Mon Sep 07 2009 00:03 < kanzure> well that was a waste of time 01:10 < fenn> ybit2: http://www.stemmewest.com/pages/s10vt.htm 01:23 -!- genehacker2 [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:11 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-67-188-6-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:50 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:59 < kanzure> wow 06:59 < kanzure> http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Lady-Ts-Magick-Shop__W0QQ_armrsZ1 07:00 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Overand, chizu, fenn_adl, CIA-32, boogles 07:02 -!- Overand [i=overand@69.182.171.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:03 -!- Overand [i=overand@69.182.171.130] has quit [Killed by kornbluth.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 07:04 -!- Overand [i=overand@crappy.domain.name] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- fenn_adl [n=fenn@146.6.88.5] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- CIA-32 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- boogles [n=boogles@osuosl/staff/Boogles] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- chizu [n=chizu@osuosl/staff/chizu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:04 -!- Overand_ [i=overand@crappy.domain.name] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:05 -!- Overand [i=overand@crappy.domain.name] has quit [Success] 07:12 < kanzure> hah. "Legal disclaimer: The law requires that all paranormal items such as spells or psychic readings be sold for entertainment purposes only." 07:14 < katsmeow-afk> didja ever notice that "land mass" in defining islands, is not quantified for purposes of the definition? 07:15 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 0ec5d4a /geom/geom.py: assembly_volume_actual works now, but it takes 40 to 60 seconds 07:33 < fenn> wouldn't want to let people practice magick without a license 07:33 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: how long is the coast of britain? 07:34 < Utopiah> infinite 07:36 < Utopiah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Long_Is_the_Coast_of_Britain%3F_Statistical_Self-Similarity_and_Fractional_Dimension 07:37 < fenn> " 5X Power Sex Change Transgendered SPELL, SUPER POWERFUL" gee I wonder if you can have them cast it on other people 07:41 < katsmeow-afk> it's an island, no? : http://www.wired.com/images/article/magazine/1702/mf_seasteading_f.jpg 07:42 < fenn> looks like a guy in a trench coat 07:43 < fenn> i kid. don't they specify the dimensions and number of floors of the hotel thingy? 07:43 < katsmeow-afk> what hotel ? 07:43 < fenn> the one they are trying to build 07:44 < katsmeow-afk> what are you talking about? 07:45 < katsmeow-afk> oh,, the Seasteading Institute? 07:45 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno, i wasn't paying them any attention 07:45 < katsmeow-afk> that's not an island, and i was on the topic of islands 07:45 < fenn> the picture is of patri friedman 07:46 < katsmeow-afk> correct 07:46 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.wired.com/techbiz/startups/magazine/17-02/mf_seasteading?currentPage=all 07:47 < katsmeow-afk> my research into ships tells me it's unlikely a mile sized floating platform can be built which will last 10 years 07:48 < katsmeow-afk> in fact, building past 1000ft in any direction makes it quite fragile in the open ocean 07:48 < fenn> i can't seem to find a decent image of the hotel concept.. they had one that was professionally CAD'ed up 07:49 < fenn> anyway, what's this about islands? 07:49 < katsmeow-afk> and, solidly tying a deck to the top of more than one spar, without a huge system of connections below the water, seems to be suicide 07:49 < fenn> have you looked into the pneumatically stabilized platform concept? 07:50 < katsmeow-afk> "island" is not well defined, there's loopholes 07:50 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, i have 07:50 < fenn> i don't care about definitions so long as it works 07:50 < fenn> so why the 1000 ft limit? 07:50 < katsmeow-afk> unless it's unreasonably flexable, it will break 07:51 < fenn> first of all, things become unreasonably flexible on 1000 ft length scales 07:51 < fenn> second, are there even waves of that wavelength? 07:51 < katsmeow-afk> modern ocean going cargo ships are so tightly designed, moving a bulkhead 2 inches in any direction is pretty much guaranteed to sink the ship 07:52 < fenn> that's just stupidity 07:52 < katsmeow-afk> sometimes, it's not a single wave that causes the breakup, but fatigue 07:53 < fenn> i don't pretend to know the fatigue limit of reinforced concrete but i know it's greater than zero 07:54 < kanzure> can you get a ref on that 2 inch thing? 07:54 < kanzure> 2 inch tolerance I mean 07:54 < katsmeow-afk> sometimes stupidity,, a ship sank a few yrs ago, it had recently been lengthened 15 meters, but when reassembled, all the welds were in one line around the boat, and that's where it broke in two 07:54 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, yeas 07:54 < kanzure> thanks :) 07:55 < katsmeow-afk> might take 10 minutes........... 07:55 * kanzure doesn't think boats are designed to be lengthened 07:55 < kanzure> in general. 07:57 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.shipstructure.org/derby.shtml 07:58 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.shipstructure.org/case_studies/carla/ 07:58 < fenn> why would you design a boat to sink even if it did break in half? 07:58 < fenn> i mean seriously, how hard is it to keep storage cells from flooding 07:58 < katsmeow-afk> they didn't put me in charge, i dunno 07:59 < kanzure> aren't ship designers usually "architectural engineers" ? 08:00 < katsmeow-afk> i hope not,, but that wold explain why so many ships break upand sink 08:00 < fenn> huh i guess it stayed afloat for five days 08:01 < katsmeow-afk> the Prestige oil tanker also stayed afloat days, but sank lower and lower, and hogging effects eventually broke it up and sank it 08:01 < kanzure> fenn: minsky says it wants a system restart 08:01 < fenn> becuase i installed a new kernel 08:01 < kanzure> hm why didn't you install OCC.GEOMImpl ? 08:02 < fenn> eh? 08:02 < katsmeow-afk> that was in 2002 08:02 < fenn> is that salome? 08:02 < kanzure> trying to run /home/fenn/local/pythonOCC/samples/Level2/PAF/test_gears_sympy.py 08:02 < fenn> because i was trying to make the simplest possible install script before mucking it up 08:02 < kanzure> you have a new install script? 08:02 < fenn> isn't it SGEOM anyway? 08:02 < kanzure> no, OCC.GEOMImpl means it is in the OCC module 08:03 < kanzure> kanzure@pikachu:~/local/sgeom/src/GEOMImpl 08:03 < fenn> this multiple places to store 'how to compile stuff' really chaps my ass 08:03 < kanzure> well fuck that theory I guess 08:04 < fenn> why can't the devs just make it work properly out of the box? is really nobody else using debian? 08:04 < kanzure> the devs are jerks 08:04 < kanzure> and french 08:04 < fenn> anyway where should i put my half-tested compile script? 08:05 < kanzure> adl:~/remember/pythonOCC 08:05 < kanzure> so that the wiki is updated 08:05 < fenn> whose ~ ? 08:05 < kanzure> you 08:05 < fenn> it's already there as /home/fenn/remember/compile_pythonocc 08:06 < fenn> right, keep up the good work :P 08:10 < kanzure> you know it would probably be more profitable to do "pink army" for fat people 08:46 < kanzure> are swapfiles merged back into RAM as soon as RAM is available? 08:48 < fenn> dirty_centisecs .. it's so dirty, baby 08:48 < kanzure> er, I mean, are pagefiles put back in to RAM ever? 08:49 < kanzure> http://zen-sources.org/ "kernels done right" eh? 08:53 -!- |kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE369B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:58 < kanzure> fenn: how many months of rent can you do at the new apartment? just wondering 08:58 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE4F3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:02 < katsmeow-afk> fenn recently relocated? 09:02 < kanzure> fenn's been living with me for a while now 09:06 < katsmeow-afk> o 09:06 < katsmeow-afk> then the "new apartment" ? 09:07 < kanzure> moving a block down the street 09:11 < fenn> i've been in austin since february 09:11 < fenn> kind of depressing to think about 09:12 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 09:12 < fenn> kanzure could refine question please? 09:14 < kanzure> no, I don't know what I'm asking 09:14 < kanzure> just asking so that I can know when I'll have to put up with my mom yelling at me 09:15 < fenn> holy crap 09:15 < fenn> Georges Buffon found that if you drew a grid of parallel lines, each 1 unit apart, and dropped a pin on it that was also 1 unit in length, then the probability that the pin would fall across a line was 2/π. In 1901, someone dropped a pin 34080 times and got an average of 3.1415929. 09:16 < kanzure> george didn't drop the pin? 09:16 * fenn tries to think of the sort of snide retort a theor would make 09:17 < kanzure> "drawing is for the servants" ? 09:17 < fenn> "oh, that's just the implementation. not important" 09:17 < kanzure> how did he come up with that, then? 09:17 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:18 < fenn> simple math based on the randomness of the pin's angle 09:19 < fenn> the pin sweeps an angle of 2pi 09:19 < fenn> something like that 09:20 < fenn> if you care http://www.mste.uiuc.edu/reese/buffon/buffon.html 09:32 < kanzure> geometry_demos.py has "points_from_intersection" but it seems to only work on objects like gp_Pln, gp_Cylinder, gp_Sphere, etc. 09:34 < katsmeow-afk> [off topic] how important is it to be able to stand up in a boat cabin that's only 8ft wide, if going above 5.5ft inside height begins making relocating the boat on land extraordinarily difficult? really, it's not like i'll be running laps inside 09:39 < katsmeow-afk> it's the inside-the-hull , "below decks", sleeping, weathertight, desk-workshop cabin i speak of 09:39 < fenn> not being able to stand in a workshop would suck, but i guess you're used to it 09:41 < katsmeow-afk> true, but standing at a spining lathe on a boat would seem to have a huge disadvantage: the boat roll tossing a standing person into the work 09:41 < fenn> i was more thinking about wrestling with something in a vise, (wrench, hammer, hacksaw, etc) 09:42 < katsmeow-afk> oh, well, dirty poundy work is prolly best done upstairs 09:43 < fenn> you can do a lot in an office chair if the space is set up for it 09:43 < katsmeow-afk> the main hull will require land transport, there's the heigth restriction,, but the above-hull cabin is built onthe boat after launching and has no such restriction 09:43 < fenn> i see. you could also just make it removable 09:44 < katsmeow-afk> the lower cabin will have environment controls to keep humidity and salt to a minimum, the top cabin may have open windows 09:44 < katsmeow-afk> even if removeable, i cannot build it here without a very tall barn to build it in 09:45 < katsmeow-afk> and a crane to move it about 09:45 < katsmeow-afk> building it here is contraindicated 09:45 < katsmeow-afk> i'd rather build a kit of a top cabin here, if needed, and stillassemble it onthe hull after launching 09:46 < katsmeow-afk> anyhow, given the presence of the top cabin, the sit-down lower internal cabin is less of a problem? 09:47 < fenn> yah 09:48 * katsmeow-afk thanks fenn for his input 10:02 < kanzure> hm for some reason gp_Mat.Column returns a gp_XYZ 10:02 < kanzure> gp_Mat is a matrix 10:21 < fenn> a liquid feast http://kaedrin.com/images/eggnogs.jpg 10:23 < katsmeow-afk> eggnog is my favorite reason to goto grocery stores during xmas season 10:32 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:33 < kanzure> fenn: how much trouble would it be to turn occ_class into a list in the OCC_triple classes in geom/geom.py? 10:34 < kanzure> i added Point.from_vertex because I don't want to get into that at the moment 10:34 < kanzure> but basically there's a way to turn a TopoDS_Vertex into a gp_Pnt (and thus a Point) 10:34 < kanzure> but it requires that Point() be able to take a TopoDS_Vertex as the parameter, and OCC_triple currently doesn't allow for anything but whatever the occ_class says 10:35 < kanzure> also, BRep_Tool is hidden in OCC.BRep, not in OCC.BRepTools 10:37 < fenn> OCC_Triple can do gp_*, list, tuple, or subclass of OCC_Triple.. what's so hard about adding another case to the __init__? 10:38 < kanzure> huh? should TopoDS_Vertex work for anything that inherits from OCC_Triple? 10:38 < fenn> wrapped_classes = gp_Pnt, gp_Vec, gp_Dir, gp_XYZ 10:39 < kanzure> I guess so 10:39 < kanzure> but it becomes kinda meaningless to go from gp_Vec to TopoDS_Vertex 10:39 < fenn> meh 10:40 < fenn> "dont do that" 10:42 < fenn> anyway TopoDS doesn't have all the same methods as the wrapped_classes do, so you'd have to write a method to cast it to OCC_tripe anyway 11:08 < kanzure> "A box approximation of an object used for collision detection. An axis-aligned bounding box (AABB) is defined by the minimum and maximum 'x', 'y', and 'z' values. An oriented bounding box (OBB), however, generally gives a closer fit, because it is always aligned with the object." 11:14 < flamoot> http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1526234/Placebos-Are-Getting-More-Effective 11:16 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:38 < genehacker> huh 11:38 < genehacker> my fluids lab professor does anti-cancer work? 11:39 < genehacker> http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/21053/ 11:43 < kanzure> no he does pro-cancer work 11:56 < genehacker> she 11:56 < genehacker> with a femtosecond laser 12:33 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:35 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 5844e80 / (geom/geom.py tests/test_geom.py): unit tests for bounding boxes collision detection pass 12:35 < kanzure> do this: python tests/test_geom.py TestGeom.test_boundingbox_collision 12:43 < dira> I've never seen people talk about H+ here 12:44 < dira> although we talk about collision which is good thing in one point of view 12:45 < kanzure> "gnu network object model object environment" == gnome? really? 12:45 < kanzure> dira: it's because we're all working on projects for h+ stuff 12:45 < kanzure> so instead of talking about philosophy, we just go do it 12:45 < kanzure> or act like we're doing it 12:45 < kanzure> not sure which is which yet 12:46 < dira> and I'm interested to know of such projects , at list topics? 12:48 < kanzure> "The Free Software Foundation and Net Community started a fund drive to raise $14,175 to fund the completion of Display Ghostscript--that is, extending Ghostscript to support the Display Postscript features. We have succeeded in raising the full amount, and the work is being done." 12:48 < kanzure> dira: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb 12:48 < dira> and you cannot cut the philosophy outa things , if you do it , that contradicts with your own philosophy , evolution and improvements need interaction, iteration and reviewing what you've achieved so far although with less concentration 12:48 < kanzure> sure 12:48 < kanzure> but that only happens when a new guy shows up 12:49 < kanzure> unless we're all acting drunk (although I don't think any of us do get drunk, except maybe ybit2) 12:49 < dira> knock knock , I'm there 12:49 < kanzure> projects in the pipeline for transhuman technology: 12:50 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/trans-tech.yaml 12:50 < kanzure> there was this opportunity a few months ago that presented itself where we might have got a large warehouse to go work in and make stuff 12:50 < kanzure> it hasn't exactly come through yet, but that's a file that describes some of the projects we were thinking of implementing 12:50 < kanzure> it's listed in a way that describes what we need in order to do what we want to do.. 12:51 < kanzure> so for instance, to do muscle enhancement you would need myostatin inhibitors (if you want that option), which would require maybe a bioreactor (for the method I've been thinking of) 12:51 < kanzure> and to do microelectrode arrays you need to be able to do electrode etching 12:52 < dira> although I'm on your camp, but I'm eager to know why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama calls H+ as one of the world's most dangerous ideas ? 12:52 < kanzure> dunno, he seems like he just likes to write and talk a lot 12:52 < kanzure> I'd ignore him. nothing useful has ever come from him as far as I can tell. 12:52 < dira> then if you are familiar with him , open it up a little for me 12:53 < kanzure> open what up 12:53 < dira> the discussion 12:53 < kanzure> what discussion 12:53 < kanzure> sorry, what are you talking about? 12:53 < dira> that he thinks of H+ as the world's most dangerous ideas? 12:54 < kanzure> is that somehow important? 12:54 < dira> since that is the only critic around , it is to me ... 12:55 < kanzure> dira: in the popular media there is a different idea of transhumanism than what we're talking about in here 12:55 < dira> and that's big acquisition 12:55 < kanzure> in here, we mean transhuman in the sense of transexualism-but-more 12:56 < kanzure> francis likes to talk about the idea of 'democratic transhumanism' which has been the basis of WTA for a while, the concept of "improving humanity for them" or something 12:56 < kanzure> this is what you'll find transhumanism defined as if you go read the wikipedia article, for instance 13:00 < dira> shall we talk about H+ that you believe in here ? brief description ? link ? 13:00 < kanzure> personal augmentation and administration 13:00 < kanzure> it's not a belief .. it's just what we're on about. 13:02 < dira> I see 13:08 < genehacker> blah blah H+ is dangerous 13:08 < genehacker> don't care 13:10 < kanzure> "everything is dangerous" 13:21 * dira thinks of eating baked beans as brick fast as one of the most dangerous habits 13:26 * katsmeow-afk ponders if "brick fast" is like "brek fist" ? 13:35 < kanzure> "Damien Francis Broderick (born 22 April 1944) is an Australian science fiction and popular science writer. His science fiction novel The Judas Mandala is sometimes credited with the first appearance of the term "virtual reality"." 13:37 < dira> virtual reality ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th8_zKa0DKk 13:41 < kanzure> just something fenn and I were talking about 13:50 < kanzure> TypeError: object.__new__(PySwigObject) is not safe, use PySwigObject.__new__() 14:06 < kanzure> fenn: the fix is to write your own __deepcopy__ apparently 14:07 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-67-188-6-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:14 < ybit2> hey fenn, thanks for mentioning the s10-vt, that would be ideal if it could be towed away on a trailer, but the comments from the pastebin still have me concerned 14:14 < ybit2> ..about electric flight atm 14:15 < fenn> that's why EESTOR being locked away from "the rest of us" by zenn and lockheed martin pisses me off 14:15 < fenn> there's so much more that could be done and they aren't even thinking about it 14:17 < genehacker> argh 14:17 < genehacker> want ultracaps so badly 14:18 < ybit2> i think http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=IS2xAAAAEBAJ&dq=7466536 is their tech they are hoarding 14:18 < fenn> what is it you're referring to? (without making me use some awful flash pdf thing) 14:19 * fenn wonders if grumpiness transmits well over irc 14:20 < ybit2> EEStor's US patent 7466536 claims ten EESU components were tested which had an average relative permittivity of 18,500.[4] In January 2007, an independent company certified EEStor's production line's process as capable of producing 99.9994% purity barium titanate powder. According to EEStor, this is sufficient for achieving the desired permittivity.[11] 14:20 < ybit2> i just googled for the patent 14:21 < fenn> ybit2: uh, ok, whatever 14:21 < fenn> the point is they have it but aren't even willing to sell it on the open market 14:22 < fenn> while simultaneously holding patents on it 14:22 < fenn> lockheed didnt even give them any money 14:24 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:26 < fenn> "the judas mandala" isn't in my collection of 14000 scifi books, if that tells you anything 14:27 < kanzure> he's no hero of mine 14:52 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: wrldpc2, dira, katsmeow-afk, mason-l, bkero, wonklab, drazak, superkuh, Utopiah, davidnunez, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: davidnunez, wonklab, mason-l 14:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Overand_, drazak, Utopiah 14:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: katsmeow-afk, flamoot, bkero 14:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: wrldpc2, kardan|, superkuh 15:00 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has left #hplusroadmap [] 15:02 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fenn, parolang, Phreedom_ 15:06 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nchaimov 15:14 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:14 -!- Phreedom_ [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:14 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-73.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:15 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fenn, Phreedom_, parolang, dira 15:16 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dira 15:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fenn, parolang, Phreedom_ 15:17 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: dira 15:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dira 16:03 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: strages 16:03 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: xp_prg 16:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: strages 16:12 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 16:29 < kanzure> bounding boxes mode works: 16:29 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/2009-09-07-skdb-bounding-boxes-2.png 16:30 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r e44e8f5 / (core/part.py geom/geom.py paths.py): bounding boxes mode in paths.py implemented as add_valid_lego, use the b key 16:30 < kanzure> wtf it's already 1630? 16:31 < fenn> past my bedtime 16:32 < kanzure> fenn: are you sure you're not just going to sleep 23 hours later every day? 16:32 < kanzure> sorry, 23 hours earlier 16:32 < fenn> yes 16:32 < fenn> i don't normally sync backwards 17:09 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@mea0f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:05 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]"] 18:26 -!- kso512 [n=kso@cpe-70-113-112-200.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:32 * bkero pieces together a resume. 18:35 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r e4ef948 /paths.py: paths.py: click on a lego and press b to add a random lego to it 18:46 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 7685483 / (gui/gui.py paths.py): move find_part into gui module 19:16 < kanzure> huh randomly found a comment by chris phoenix when clicking through search results: http://ideasfactory.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/the-matter-compiler/ 19:22 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@mea0f36d0.tmodns.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:36 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@m6f0f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:41 < kanzure> wtf why hasn't anyway outdone mark leach yet? 19:41 < kanzure> *anyone 19:47 < kanzure> 'RMG is an automatic chemical reaction mechanism generator that constructs kinetic models composed of elementary chemical reaction steps using a general understanding of how molecules react (currently limited to C, H and O atoms). ' 19:47 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rmg/ 19:48 < kanzure> found here: http://web.mit.edu/cfgold/www/RMG/about.html 19:48 < QuantumG> is it remotely predictive? :) 19:49 * bkero considers redoing the template of his resume. 19:57 < kanzure> QuantumG: I'm looking for a chemical reaction mechanisms database, preferably in SMILES or something that's not in english. 19:58 < kanzure> superkuh: Know anything for that? 19:58 < superkuh> No. 20:01 < kanzure> http://www.daylight.com/meetings/emug98/Delany/rxn-smiles.html 20:01 < kanzure> "Reaction SMILES is the language used for describing specific, single-step reactions. Reaction SMILES are a strict superset of molecule SMILES. Any valid molecule SMILES can be a component of a reaction SMILES." 20:01 < kanzure> IIRC, this might be related to SMIRKS. 20:01 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:01 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:02 < kanzure> well this looks close to what I want: 20:02 < kanzure> http://www.daylight.com/daycgi/depict?4e43436331636363284f2963284f2963313e3e4e434363316363324e43333d4343283d4f294334284f294343332843434e34294f63326363314e 20:03 < kanzure> where's my metadata? 20:03 < kanzure> http://www.daylight.com/meetings/emug98/Delany/rxn-tree.html 20:04 < kanzure> aha. http://www.daylight.com/meetings/emug98/Delany/rxn-db.html 20:04 < kanzure> '# Database from Infochem. Includes 2.5 million reactions, with citation, keywords, yield, conditions. ' 20:23 < kanzure> does anyone have access to Current Chemical Reactions? I may have access, but the database doesn't seem to accessibly exidst. 20:23 < kanzure> *exit 20:23 < kanzure> *exist 20:24 < QuantumG> is it possible to have a database of chemical reactions and do stuff like hillclimbing on it to work out, say, chemical synthesis procedures? 20:29 < kanzure> yes that's called retrosynthesis 20:29 < kanzure> it's what I'm doing actually 20:29 < kanzure> you can break up a target molecule and work your way back to common elements 20:29 < kanzure> so I want to do that, but hook it into skdb 20:29 < kanzure> so that it generates the machinery that you need as well 20:29 < kanzure> i.e. hardware for performing certain chemical reactions 20:31 < QuantumG> in Peter F. Hamilton's book "Misspent Youth" he talks about the War On Drugs basically being ended by the creation of general home chemical synthesis devices. 20:32 < QuantumG> which had lots of "legal" uses before people figured out how to hack them to get around the anti-illicit-drug protections 20:58 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:46 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-46-150.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:55 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:57 -!- glytch [n=glytch@li40-165.members.linode.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:58 < kanzure> Hey glytch. 21:59 < QuantumG> I've yet to find anyone who is working on a truly innovative virtual environment.. it's all very derivative.. no-one really trying for the hard problems :) 21:59 < QuantumG> for example, in second life I would have expected someone to have done some mocap data streaming by now. 21:59 < QuantumG> facial expression streaming... lip synching at least 21:59 < kanzure> Don't look at the faces. 21:59 < kanzure> They steal attention. 22:01 < QuantumG> be nice if there was at least a premier place for that kinda research 22:01 < QuantumG> you'd think those internet 2 bozos would be all over it 22:12 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:46 < genehacker> second life sucks 22:46 < genehacker> their entire economy is based around 22:48 < QuantumG> unfinished sentences? 23:11 < genehacker> well uh 23:11 < genehacker> you know