--- Day changed Thu Sep 10 2009 00:24 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-46-239.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:59 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:08 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-67-188-6-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-74.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-67-188-6-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:29 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-74.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:51 -!- wrldpc2_ [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:00 -!- wrldpc2_ is now known as wrldpc2 05:19 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:48 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:08 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:08 -!- dira_ [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:08 -!- dira_ is now known as dira 06:17 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:17 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:20 < kanzure> poultry is exempt from the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act? 07:29 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 07:30 < katsmeow-afk> it's too costly to convince the chickens to be euthanised willingly,, or to sneak up on them 07:31 < katsmeow-afk> the chicken industry could not find a polite way to hang them upside down, or to avoid with certainty their heads not being accidently ripped off when being forceably aligned to the electric water bath or the neck slitters 07:31 < katsmeow-afk> seriously 07:35 < katsmeow-afk> getting their heads into the electric water wasn't guaranteed even if that entire end of chicken was dunked, so the slitter would cut an unstunned bird, or someone would haveto manually remove the bird fromthe conveyor and send it back again from the start 07:38 * katsmeow-afk has a deja vu about this topic 07:43 < fenn> probaby just a past life or something 07:43 < katsmeow-afk> so i am repeating this with great fidelity, great 08:01 < kanzure> blah 08:01 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 384050a /core/graphsynth.py: decided to rewrite graphsynth. boo and hiss to dotnet 08:01 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 3979564 / (7 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 08:02 < fenn> core/ ? 08:02 < kanzure> we want Part to inherit from Node right? 08:02 < fenn> that's definitely a module, might even belong in another repo :P 08:02 < fenn> i still want to be able to swap out various graph back ends 08:02 < kanzure> I don't really want to use svn to store this 08:03 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 758365b / (core/graphsynth.py thirdparty/graphsynth.py): ok, move it to thirdparty 08:04 < fenn> somehow i doubt he'll be pleased :) 08:05 < fenn> shouldn't "#these dont need to be here" stuffs be in __init__? 08:05 < kanzure> not really, some of them are just for reference 08:07 < fenn> i dont understand 08:07 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@128.62.42.204] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:07 < kanzure> fenn: the names of the attributes are different in my python version 08:07 < fenn> arc.directed seems pretty obvious 08:07 < kanzure> so I wanted to make sure I remained consistent 08:08 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:09 < fenn> class data is basically useless 08:09 < fenn> it should be for stuff like constants 08:10 < kanzure> yes that's why I just explained what those were for 08:59 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:00 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:28 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@128.62.42.204] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 09:41 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 04f87f4 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: more graphsynth programming 09:41 < kanzure> it's entirely possible that I misunderstood pythonnet 12:03 -!- |kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE2D06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:10 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE7ADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:12 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:58 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-97-148.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-140-125.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-97-148.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:05 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r c071c22 /packages/threads/generate.py: attempting to generate thread geometry.. segfaults for unknown reason 14:05 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r d9f43d8 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 14:11 < fenn> what causes segfaults? 14:32 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r c73780e /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: more graphsynth 14:33 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-140-125.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:40 < kanzure> ancient but good: http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/oscomak/need.htm 14:43 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:43 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:52 -!- mason_l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:16 < kanzure> fenn: does this sound right? "information is tokenized; knowledge is parsed." 15:22 < fenn> sounds like bullshit to me 15:25 < kanzure> um I'm trying to figure out how XML confuses something 15:25 < kanzure> people seem to think that if you can read XML you therefore have knowledge in your system 15:25 < kanzure> but that's not true, you just have all of these crappy data structures 15:26 < kanzure> "knowledged is parsed" just means that there has to be something that interprets the data and checks if it makes sense.. it doesn't matter how it gets to the checker. 15:36 < kanzure> anyway the point should be making sure the data makes sense.. don't know why people are thrilled about sysml 15:36 < kanzure> the horror: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/sysml/ 15:39 < kanzure> 15:39 < kanzure> 15:39 < kanzure> A connector may be redefined when its containing classifier is specialized. The redefining connector may have a type that specializes the type of the redefined connector. The types of the connector ends of the redefining connector may specialize the types of the connector ends of the redefined connector. The properties of the connector ends of the redefining connector may be replaced. 15:39 < kanzure> 15:39 < kanzure> 15:40 < kanzure> right, so .. 15:40 < kanzure> compare that to: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/bearing/data.yaml 15:52 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r d99c2c5 /packages/threads/generate.py: another way to fail utterly 15:52 < CIA-32> skdb: fenn * r da6e215 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 15:55 < fenn> was that automatically generated or something? 15:59 < fenn> omgwtfsyml 16:03 < kanzure> my thoughts exactly :( 16:03 < kanzure> it makes my inner child cry 16:03 < kanzure> weep, even 16:03 < kanzure> I'm drowning 16:04 < kanzure> halp halp 16:17 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has left #hplusroadmap [] 16:49 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:51 * wrldpc2 throws kanzure life preserver. 16:56 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:13 < kanzure> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1364241&cid=29381777 17:15 < kanzure> wtf? "Cybercrime is now larger than the international drug trade..." 17:15 < kanzure> "Over eleven years ago (1998), the UN reported that "illegal trade in narcotics has a captive market of about 190 million addicts and users worldwide, and is estimated to be worth more than 400 billion dollars a year"." 17:16 < kanzure> the second quote was a counterquote to show that the cybercrime statement was bullshit 17:16 < kanzure> (both were published, but the second one was from the UN) 17:17 < fenn> source of first quote? 17:17 < kanzure> slashdot article 17:18 < kanzure> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1364351&cid=29381949 17:24 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:53 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:18 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 18:23 < kanzure> fenn: http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x267/fresh2fly4u/robot_chicken.jpg 18:28 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:04 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:16 < fenn> http://fablab.lowtech.org/w/doku.php 19:18 -!- any83522755 [n=someone@69-179-108-156.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- any86089043 [n=someone@75-120-34-195.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-121-61-202.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:32 -!- any86089043 is now known as katsmeow-afk 19:36 -!- any54444979 [n=someone@75-120-39-59.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 -!- any83522755 [n=someone@69-179-108-156.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:53 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-34-195.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:12 -!- superkuh_ [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:17 < genehacker> http://cleantech.com/news/3442/genomatica-eliminates-petrochemicals-plastic 20:18 < genehacker> this bacteria can make a chemical needed to make synthetic dna 20:19 < genehacker> errr 20:19 < genehacker> make the chemicals to make synthetic dna 20:24 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:24 -!- superkuh_ is now known as superkuh 20:27 < any54444979> if that works to turn sugar into plastics, why aren't we seeing bioplastics yet? 20:28 < QuantumG> cause sugar is worth more than plastic 20:39 < genehacker> don't know 21:04 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ybit2, tarbo2 21:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ybit2 21:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tarbo2 21:10 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/images/ 21:24 < genehacker> from the aerial photographs it looks like you have a big backyard, correct? 21:39 < kanzure> yes 21:50 < genehacker> is the ground relatively flat? 22:00 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05 < wrldpc2> since when does tim o'reilly act as a shill for u.s. milcom? 22:09 < wrldpc2> https://analyzethe.us/ 22:12 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@wsip-70-184-88-89.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:52 < ybit2> hey you microfluidics cats 22:53 * ybit2 was kicked out of the house for most of the day while older women drunk and did crazy things like talking about cleaning and stuff 22:54 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54 < ybit2> genehacker: i asked about the borosilicate glass plates, but the guy said no, that they use fr4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-4 ...that's as far as that part of the conversation got today.. you kind of have to know the guys to understand...well fuck, leave then 22:55 < ybit2> for future copying and pasting to genehacker 22:55 < ybit2> they got out of the glass stuff awhile back is what the guy said 22:56 < ybit2> and yes we can do grayscale 23:05 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:26 < ybit2> 22:52 < ybit2> hey you microfluidics cats 23:26 < ybit2> 22:53 * ybit2 was kicked out of the house for most of the day while older women drunk and did crazy things like talking about cleaning and stuff 23:26 < ybit2> 22:54 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:26 < ybit2> 22:54 < ybit2> genehacker: i asked about the borosilicate glass plates, but the guy said no, that they use fr4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-4 ...that's as far as that part of the conversation got today.. you kind of have to know the guys to understand...well fuck, leave then 23:26 < ybit2> 22:55 < ybit2> for future copying and pasting to genehacker 23:26 < ybit2> 22:55 < ybit2> they got out of the glass stuff awhile back is what the guy said 23:26 < ybit2> 22:56 < ybit2> and yes we can do grayscale 23:35 -!- mason_l is now known as mason- 23:35 -!- mason- is now known as mason-l 23:45 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47 < ybit2> papers to grab: 23:47 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems on a printed wiring board platform 23:47 < ybit2> A novel microfluidic integration technology for PCB-based devices: Application to microflow sensing 23:47 < ybit2> Design and fabrication of microfluidic devices integrated with an open?ended MEMS probe for single?cell impedance measurement 23:48 < ybit2> http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=yG6pAAAAEBAJ&dq=fr4+microfluidics 23:48 < ybit2> Microfluidic systems in PCB technology 23:49 < ybit2> Integrated microfluidic components on a printed wiring board platform 23:49 < ybit2> Low cost piezo printhead based on microfluidics in printed circuit board and screen-printed piezoelectrics <- name of patent linked to 23:49 < ybit2> time for bed 23:56 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:57 < genehacker> hmmm... 23:58 < genehacker> they did do glass? 23:58 < genehacker> does this facility do microfluidics?