--- Day changed Sat Sep 12 2009 00:04 -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@wsip-70-184-88-89.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:38 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:19 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 01:19 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:59 < wrldpc2> can i get the patent breaking links? 02:00 < wrldpc2> You guys have to see this: http://stickam.com/member/loadChatRoom.do?roomId=1299966 02:30 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:31 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-42-204.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:05 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:40 -!- nsh_ [n=nsh@khbed74-243.studenthalls.gla.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:40 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh- 05:31 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@khbed74-243.studenthalls.gla.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:49 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@khbed74-243.studenthalls.gla.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:47 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 08:07 -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@wsip-70-184-88-89.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 08:15 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@khbed74-243.studenthalls.gla.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:04 -!- any84775927 [n=someone@75-120-43-129.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-39-59.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:54 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:56 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:58 < ybit> bkero, any84775927, fenn_adl, do you all use esd mats? 09:59 < bkero> nope 10:18 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 1135eee /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: EmbeddingRule class for graphsynth 10:18 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 1b5fe0e /packages/threads/generate.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb 10:49 < fenn> esd is only a problem if you have cats or carpet 10:53 < ybit> that's essentially what my dad said 10:53 < ybit> he's the first goto person for my questions 10:53 < ybit> but i like to have second opinions 10:55 < ybit> hrm, when you guys are editing yaml, you type our four spaces? o.O 10:55 < ybit> s/our/out 10:57 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:02 < ybit> some of this seems useless 11:02 < ybit> welding: 11:02 < ybit> equipment: 11:02 < ybit> safety glasses with side shields 11:02 < ybit> dry, hole-free insulating gloves 11:02 < ybit> esd mats 11:02 < ybit> ventilation fan or vacuum 11:02 < ybit> fire extinguisher 11:02 < ybit> welding helment: 11:02 < ybit> correct filters 11:02 < ybit> welders cap 11:02 < ybit> ear protection 11:02 < ybit> button shirt collar 11:02 < ybit> oil free protective clothing: 11:02 < ybit> leather gloves 11:02 < ybit> heavy shirt 11:02 < ybit> cuffless pants 11:02 < ybit> high boots 11:03 < ybit> buttoned shirt with collar for instance 11:11 < ybit> from the safety guide: Electric and magnetic fields (EMF) can affect 11:11 < ybit> Implanted Medical Devices. 11:12 < ybit> wonder how it might affect someone with an rfid tag implanted 11:12 < ybit> s/tag/chip 11:13 * ybit stops blogging in irc 11:15 < ybit> http://global.ihs.com/standards.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254B2A310A&shopping_cart_id=282438372B49403C4F5B4D28240A&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL 11:21 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:22 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:30 -!- superkuh_ [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:31 -!- superkuh_ is now known as superkuh 11:53 < ybit> http://www.cganet.com/customer/publication.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 11:54 * ybit is becoming overwhelmed with standards and specifications 11:54 * ybit needs a central repo for this, hmm... 12:04 * ybit is looking up the welding helmet which is being used here 12:04 < ybit> http://www.jacksonsafety.com/linkdetails.cfm?groupid=3023293 kicks mine's ass 12:06 < ybit> here's mine: http://www.jacksonsafety.com/linkdetails.cfm?groupid=3002507 12:07 < ybit> http://www.jacksonsafety.com/images/WeldingTopBanner.jpg the guy looks like he has a computer screen mounted to his head :P 12:19 -!- kardan [n=kardan@p54BE4157.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE7683.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:40 < kanzure> http://www.opencascade.org/support/products/ssp/ 12:41 < ybit> kanzure: didn't you jot down an inventory list for the adl? 12:41 < fenn> heh 12:41 * ybit wants it :) 12:41 < kanzure> adl has no inventory 12:41 < kanzure> just a bunch of chairs 12:41 < fenn> 10 comfy chairs, 6 computers, twenty eight legos 12:41 < ybit> :P 12:41 < kanzure> 10 broken comfy chairs 12:41 < kanzure> broken or in the process of breaking 12:42 < ybit> aka, comfy ;) 12:42 < fenn> actually it was the new guy, he stole my chair and substitued the broken one :( 12:42 < ybit> i'm wanting to have all the equipment my school supplies at my the mancave soon 12:43 < fenn> kanzure: http://www.opencascade.org/showroom/demos/# click on "Approximation" 12:44 < fenn> i think it goes through every point though 12:44 < ybit> am aware of invenotory lists for fablabs, pcr, and...? 12:44 < fenn> really what is the point of this inventory crap 12:45 < fenn> inventory is useless unless you have a model of what it does 12:45 < ybit> because i can't keep up with it all in my puny head 12:45 < ybit> yes yes, we realize the importance of skdb :P 12:47 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutting_torch.jpg ..looks dangerous 12:50 < ybit> ..from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazing_torch ..just trying to figure out what welding processes are used for what and why 12:51 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welding#Processes 12:53 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Remote_Fibre_Laser_Welding_WMG_Warwick.ogg 12:53 * ybit drools 12:57 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:03 * ybit wants to know wha the price of a laser cutter is and how many mW is used 13:04 < ybit> s/cutter/welder 13:04 < fenn> depends 13:05 < kanzure> not sure how to convert from Geom_BSplineSurface to Geom_Surface 13:05 < kanzure> this just casts a Geom_BSplineSurface as a Geom_Surface via Handle() http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_3984/ 13:06 < fenn> about the same as laser cutter of the same capacity, slightly less because you dont have to deal with so much metal vapor 13:06 < kanzure> but how do I do that? 13:07 < fenn> is that Geom.Handle? 13:08 < fenn> Geom stuff has a GetHandle or GetObject method 13:08 < kanzure> there is no Geom.Handle 13:08 < kanzure> yes 13:08 < kanzure> GetHandle 13:08 < kanzure> but this just gives you Handle_Geom_BSplineSurface 13:09 < fenn> it's an instance of Handle_GeomSurface no? 13:09 < kanzure> what is? 13:09 < fenn> Handle_Geom_BSplineSurface is a subclass of Handle_GeomSurface 13:09 < kanzure> isinstance(Handle_Geom_BSplineSurface, Handle_Geom_Surface) 13:09 < kanzure> False 13:09 < kanzure> oh 13:09 < kanzure> well it's not an instance 13:09 < kanzure> so that's the first problem 13:09 < kanzure> but yes help() shows that you are right 13:09 < fenn> does whatever you're trying to do actually fail if you pass a Handle_Geom_BSplineSurface instead 13:10 < kanzure> no 13:10 < fenn> -_- 13:20 < kanzure> fenn: what's the point of all these TColgp_Array20OfXY classes? 13:21 < fenn> these = what? 13:21 < kanzure> TColgp_Array and then every possible iteration you can imagine 13:21 < fenn> i have no idea 13:32 < kanzure> well luckily jelle somehow figured out that TColgp_Array is just an array but with this extra index parameter that it always insists on 13:32 < kanzure> go jelle 13:32 < kanzure> is it something about being french that helps you understand wtf is going on in OpenCASCADE? 13:32 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:32 < kanzure> http://www.oswash.org/ 13:37 < fenn> ybit: why are there no photographs of welding done close up through a welding mask, like what you'd actually see when welding? 13:41 < fenn> this is pretty cool looking http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk/Pattern_welding.htm 13:42 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:46 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:46 -!- ve_ [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:49 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:49 -!- ve_ is now known as ve 14:52 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:06 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]"] 16:27 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:51 -!- draz|lab is now known as drazak 16:53 < ybit> creating a hackerspace is more difficult than one would think 17:01 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-73.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:02 < genehacker> kanzure are we still starting a hackerspace? 17:03 < ybit> of course 17:03 < ybit> where @, dunno 17:03 < ybit> fenn_adl, i'm guessing you two aren't doing the h+ l.a. facility for awhile 17:20 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:53 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-121-73.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:34 < kanzure> ybit: no, we do not type four spaces 18:34 < kanzure> ybit: set your tabwidth 18:35 < kanzure> fwiw, http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/explore_opencascade.py doesn't entirely work yet but it sorta kinda works. 18:35 < kanzure> it helps plot paths from one opencascade object to another 18:35 < kanzure> so you're not left sitting around thinking "wtf" 18:39 < kanzure> genehacker: btw I was working on some surface model reconstruction code today 18:39 < kanzure> it sort of works 18:39 < kanzure> it takes a mesh and tries to make a brep 18:40 < kanzure> well, it takes a point cloud actually 18:54 -!- dira [n=chatzill@86.99.40.183] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]"] 18:57 < ybit> kanzure: i thought that 18:57 < ybit> 's what ya did 19:06 < ybit> ..at least after i asked, was hoping you wouldn't bring that back up ;P 19:29 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-67-188-6-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 20:02 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/acmbpq/hackerspace.png 20:02 < ybit> tell me what you think 20:02 < ybit> the two circles are balconies, one shows what the top looks like, the other shows what's below 20:03 < any84775927> can you financially afford balconies at this time? 20:03 < ybit> it's not going to all be built at one time 20:04 < any84775927> oh 20:04 < ybit> there's also a parking spaces, trees, and small gardesn decorating the outside to keep the view from being run-down 20:09 < ybit> suggestions are welcome 20:10 < ybit> btw, it's a little scary, it's taken nearly 24 hours to sync my imap server with gmail, last i checked it was on ~70 thousandth message 20:11 < any84775927> well, i dunno what humans want in any topic, so i don't know what they'd want in a machining facility 20:14 < ybit> come on, you've studied our species long enough, you're bound to know a little about the humans :P 20:15 < ybit> as i've mentioned to someone... i'm kind of going for a co-working hackerspace type place 20:15 < any84775927> regardless of being in here under a yr, i been alive over 1/2 a century, and i can still say i don't know 20:16 < ybit> http://wiki.coworking.info/Make+a+VIDEO 20:16 < ybit> (for those who might not be familiar with the term) 20:17 < ybit> the presentation area is also a gaming zone or whatever the heck geeks want to do for fun 20:17 < any84775927> i recommend a line of sight from the bug-free eating space to the machine you left running, somoene at the door to accept food and parcel deliveries in your name, and lots of floor space to rearrange office and equipment 20:18 < ybit> now that's something i forgot, clean rooms 20:18 < ybit> can turn one of those photlith rooms in such a space 20:18 < ybit> s/in/into 20:18 < any84775927> "bug-free" includes the indoor gardens, btw 20:19 < ybit> yeah, i thought about plants such as the ones mentioned on some ted speech which produce oxygen and remove other stuff 20:19 < any84775927> and you haveto make it intrinsically impossible to put a 10 ton manufactuing equipment up on the balcony 20:19 < ybit> hehe 20:20 < any84775927> yeas, reasearch indoor "waste" recycling to reduce recurring costs to city/county infrastructre 20:20 < genehacker> spirulina be your plant 20:20 < genehacker> for space 20:20 < ybit> my dad and i were thinking about alternative energy sources 20:21 < any84775927> and you need a lan room and ups/generator room 20:21 < ybit> any84775927: ah, the data server room as well 20:21 < ybit> not sure what goes at the entrance just yet 20:22 < any84775927> feed from your solar panels to the ups batetries, which can override the incoming ac lines and power at least the smaller loads while the shun sines 20:22 < any84775927> i think i got the flues 20:22 < ybit> my dad was thinking wind turbines, but as we both soon found out, that may be, um, a little expensive :P 20:23 < any84775927> yeas, and lightning attractors 20:23 < ybit> data storage and ups/generator room.. ty any84775927 20:25 < any84775927> 20:25 < any84775927> can i has a grahm cracker, please? 20:26 < kanzure> reconfigurable walls please 20:26 < any84775927> i said that 20:26 < any84775927> and lots of floor space to rearrange office and equipment 20:27 < kanzure> everything on pallets 20:27 < any84775927> err,,,, everything? 20:27 < kanzure> including you 20:28 < any84775927> oh,, and no parking under the balconies, so robots running amuck and crashing down, won't ruin the new investor's Mercedes 20:29 < ybit> reconfigurable walls, haven't seen them before, ty 20:30 < any84775927> everything remotely structural must take into account fire and thermal effects from fire 20:30 < kanzure> picked it up from this guy that stalks me around austin 20:30 < kanzure> he goes to all the conferences and events in austin that I do 20:30 < kanzure> so we end up talking every once in a while 20:30 < any84775927> ybit, "reconfigurable walls" IS "wide open space so everything can be moved" 20:30 < kanzure> his employer's hq's programmer's building is made of reconfigurable walls 20:30 < genehacker> wait a minute 20:30 < genehacker> robots running around? 20:30 < genehacker> waht's happening? 20:30 < kanzure> any84775927: no, you need walls for sound proofing everything 20:31 < kanzure> genehacker: did you see that I have been doing surface reconstruction of meshes? 20:31 < any84775927> many many office spaces use cubicles with 5ft walls, but make all them moveable 20:31 < kanzure> thought you'd get a kick out of that 20:31 < genehacker> surface reconstruction? 20:31 < kanzure> cubicles do not good walls for machine shops make 20:31 < genehacker> awesome 20:31 < kanzure> genehacker: yes, like "a point cloud -> 3D CAD" 20:32 < genehacker> you making a robot car or a 3d scanner? 20:32 < any84775927> i agree, i was not limiting wall size, only sugegsting wide open spaces with no preconcieved limits wo that can me moved in them 20:34 < genehacker> kanzure the next step is to use tri stereo cameras to make point clouds 20:34 < kanzure> well right now I'm just doing a single boundary surface from a group of points 20:35 < kanzure> I need to stick together multiple patches next 20:35 < kanzure> *stich 20:35 < kanzure> maybe we can finally get all these damn STL files fixed 20:35 < kanzure> and deleted forever 20:37 < genehacker> you know the robot car team might draft you if you can do it in real time 20:37 < kanzure> huh, opencascade jython scripting for OCC 1.3? http://www.opencascade.org/about/news/issue62/ 20:37 < kanzure> nobody will draft me 20:37 < kanzure> they will just tell me they want to 20:37 < kanzure> and then not.. 20:45 < genehacker> well I don't think there is another darpa challenge 20:45 < genehacker> so it's unlikely 20:46 < any84775927> but there is a darpa challenge, just not for driverless vehicles 20:47 < any84775927> they want a 4cu ft computer, using less than 60kw, that will top the supercomputer list 20:50 < genehacker> are you participating in said challenge? 20:50 < any84775927> lol 20:51 < any84775927> i did think up a 300ps cycle time for sustained instructions in a risc cpu, but cannot figure how to get data/instructions to it from memory, and that's not a big noteworthy accomplishment anyhow at state-of-the-art levels 20:52 < genehacker> is this for pattern recognition and stuff 20:52 < any84775927> ummm,,,, so? ok? and? huh? 20:53 < genehacker> or just a general all purpose super computer? 20:53 < any84775927> still has the same data bandwidth problem 20:53 < any84775927> the darpa challenge? i didn't read up or rememeber it, it's outa my capability to compete in it 20:54 < any84775927> i believe, since it would haveto run the speed tests to place, it's generalpurpose 20:57 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 8633e31 /import_tools/ (STL_read.py STL_write.py stl.py): merged STL_read and STL_write into one file 21:06 < kanzure> um 21:06 < kanzure> http://projects.opencascade.org/cgi-bin/secure3dwb/foo.txt 21:06 < kanzure> so who wants to guess what daniel's password is? 21:07 < any84775927> password 21:07 < any84775927> daniel ? 21:07 < any84775927> danielspasword ? 21:10 < kanzure> http://www.stellarscience.com/improve_open_cascade.html 21:11 < any84775927> that's a hell of password 21:12 < kanzure> no you should look at the file to see the password 21:14 < genehacker> my password makes a really cool pattern when you look at in the unicode table space 21:18 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 21:18 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-34-238.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:29 < genehacker> kanzure are you using point cloud packages? 21:32 -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:42 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/fydbrv/hackerspace.png and i'm spent for tonight 21:45 < any84775927> elevators 21:46 < ybit> thought about it 21:47 < ybit> that wouldn't be too hard to add into the drawing 21:47 < any84775927> unfortunately, thoughting about it won't get me or steven hawking up tot he balcony 21:47 < ybit> i'm through with plans for the time being, now i need to budget out for all of this + equipment 21:48 < ybit> but i happen to be a manly man with muscles, so problem solved ;) 21:48 < ybit> alright, alright, elevators 21:48 < any84775927> yeas, but i don't feel like being carried 21:48 < any84775927> i'd rather sue you 21:48 < ybit> :P 21:48 < ybit> i couldn't carry you but maybe two steps anyway due to my back 21:49 < ybit> back problems run in the family 21:49 * any84775927 nods 21:57 < kanzure> hey uhh 21:57 < kanzure> where is cvsroot usually? 22:03 -!- any84775927 is now known as katsmeow 22:05 < kanzure> http://autoopencas.sourceforge.net/ hm.. 22:11 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/ksrvgj/hackerspace.png only upon katsmeow's request. _no_more_ drawing for me tonight :P 22:18 < bkero> THat's a bunch of space 22:19 -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 22:19 < katsmeow> specially costly considering the 12 inch think concrete floors in the heavy machinery space 22:26 < ybit> er, i had uploaded the wrong pic last time. http://filebin.ca/fvbvkc/hackerspace.png 22:27 < ybit> 12 inches thick, aye? 22:27 < katsmeow> less vibration! 22:27 < ybit> ah 22:27 < ybit> hmm 22:28 < katsmeow> i once say a 6 inch slab at a Home Depot that bounced an inch when forklifts ran over it,, you could distort a lathe bed fast that way, i suspect 22:28 < katsmeow> oh good, stairs this time too, no more rapelling :-) 22:29 < katsmeow> you left out the library again 22:30 < katsmeow> i am going to hurt IE,,, i could open png on win95b, and cannot on winxp, cusswords 22:31 < katsmeow> ok, going to find dinner again 22:31 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk