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08:34 < kanzure> ted's "100kgarages" website sucks
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08:55 < kanzure> hm there's a #tangiblebit?
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08:59 < deviantlarva> hi
09:01 < kanzure> hello
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09:03 < deviantlarva> hi kanzure 
09:04 < kanzure> what's up?
09:07 < deviantlarva> nothing for now, just hanging around to see how things happens^^
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10:00 < deviantlarva> see ya
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10:41 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 7b8da88 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: wrote find_delegate to graphsynth to help find matching objects with similar dictionaries
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10:58 < kanzure> genehacker: you going to the presentation at noon?
11:00 < genehacker> yes where is it again?
11:00 < kanzure> one moment
11:01 < kanzure> NST 1.104 at 12PM
11:02 < genehacker> 12pm?
11:02 < kanzure> noon
11:03 < genehacker> affirmative
11:11 < kanzure> so i deleted 22,000 emails from my account on gmail and not even a megabyte was freed?
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11:37 < kanzure> fenn: Range("20 m", "kg") shouldn't this fail?
11:38 < fenn> ya
11:39 < kanzure> ok time to go act as if i know molecular biology
11:39 < fenn> whee
11:39 < fenn> so much for reading the papers before i show up :P
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13:32 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2009-09-15-rothemund-utexas.html rothemund talk notes
13:32 < fenn> caDNAno is written with "Adobe Air"
13:32 < kanzure> god no :(
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14:27 < Smari> happy now?
14:29 < kanzure> yay
14:29 < kanzure> yes I am
14:30 < kanzure> we were talking about something earlier today but i'm not sure what or where to pick up
14:37 < Smari> think about it. I'll be back whenever my assignment for tomorrow is done.
14:37 < kanzure> guess i'll act like i'm doing homework too for the time being
14:40 < fenn> long DNA sequences containing occasional errors would still be usable for DNA origami
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14:41 < fenn> even if a similar sequence would be prohibitively expensive to synthesize for gene coding purposes, it would still be economically viable for origami
14:41 < fenn> because the exponential increase in getting an error doesn't matter, only the total error rate
14:45 < fenn> javascript makes my eyes film over
14:45 < fenn> i'm sure this code does something interesting but i just don't see it
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15:31 < kanzure> fenn: what code in particular?
15:32 < kanzure> i'd be happy to walk you through some javascript bullshit
15:32 < kanzure> just don't ask me to explain DOM to you
15:32 < kanzure> for some reason i'm reading a nuclear radiation book
15:33 < kanzure> i don't understand why everyone is crazy about radiation instead of radioactives
15:33 < kanzure> i mean, when it comes to carcinogens, radioactive isotopes lodged in your body are more damaging than just some dosage of radiation
15:38 < fenn> cadnano, it's written in actionscript
15:38 < fenn> nanoengineer-1 is C and python, and it's GPL so that's pretty sweet
15:40 < kanzure> there was another one btw
15:40 < kanzure> i hope i'm not thinking of cadnano
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15:47 < fenn> kanzure: gamma radiation can cause secondary radioactive isotopes
15:56 < drazak> kanzure: eugen is sort of annoying, and yeah, people fuckup the formatting, they don't need to be crusified every time, and sometimes it's because the client doesn't show them they're top posting, IE. my phone didn't show that when I replied that it had kept the quoted text, so I had no clue
16:02  * fenn curses the unix gods
16:02 < fenn> PyQt version 4.2 or later is required, but version 4.3.3 was found instead. Please update your PyQt to version 4.2.
16:02  * bkero hugs the unix gods.
16:03 < bkero> Poorly written software
16:03 < fenn> autoconf
16:03 < fenn> if test $found_major_version -gt $min_major_version; then
16:03 < bkero> Poorly written software
16:03 < bkero> Shouldn't that be gre?
16:03 < bkero> gte
16:04 < bkero> I guess there'd need to be two conditionals, if gt then proceed, eq check minor
16:47 < kanzure> well these results are all pretty neat: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=maintenance+procedure+validation+tasks+automated+instructions&btnG=Search
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17:22 < ybit> so i was thinking today that...
17:22 < ybit> 17:13 <ybit> ..the more the business does, the less time i have to pursue my own projects because i'll be so tied down with administrative tasks
17:22 < ybit> 17:13 <ybit> so it might be good to just make the business operate smoothly and pursue my other hobbies not as a business but as a hobby
17:22 < ybit> 17:14 <ybit> here's kind of an updated plan.. will probably be redrawn and edited
17:22 < ybit> 17:14 <ybit> http://filebin.ca/rtotgu/b4200.png
17:22 < ybit> so just make the junkyard run smoothly and have time to pursue me hobbies 
17:26 < ybit> 13:32 < fenn> caDNAno is written with "Adobe Air"
17:26 < ybit> 13:32 < kanzure> god no :(
17:26 < ybit> we've already been over this you two
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17:31 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, got storage, you need to store big stuff people give you for next-to-$nothing, so if i need 4 identical 90 degree heavy gearsets for my load-carrying dinosaur's legs , you can hand me 4 identical differentials
17:34 < katsmeow-afk> if someone sells you arc welders as scrap, you do NOT trash them, you save them, or at least all the parts, like the 300amp@600v diodes, the phase control scrs, the transformers, the leads, etc
17:35 < ybit> of course silly :P
17:35 < katsmeow-afk> if i want a hovercraft engine, you sell me a working all-aluminum 4cyl car engine
17:35 < ybit> hehe
17:36 < katsmeow-afk> if i want a PT oat engine, you sell me the biggest diesel you have
17:36 < ybit> but the point of this is that i have time to pursue hobbies because running a junkyard, like any other business takes time, but keeping it just a junkyard is a lot less hassle then making it a junkyard + 50 other services
17:37 < ybit> but it's also still providing a place to tinker if ya look at the drawing
17:37 < katsmeow-afk> i agree, to a point: you will make more money selling intact stuff to people who want that stuff, than selling it merely for it's weight
17:37 < ybit> tinking == building ai robot overlords
17:37 < ybit> tinkering*
17:38 < katsmeow-afk> afk-ish
17:41  * ybit doesn't know what ass fucking kanzure-ish means.. are you doing it or not... so confused
17:51  * katsmeow-afk reminds ybit that she has no external genitals to be ass fucking anyone
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> and, if you were discussing this at your business while i was there, i wouldn't be back
18:15  * ybit reminds katsmeow-afk of strap-ons 
18:15  * ybit keeps his mouth shut for now on though :)
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18:43 < drazak> kanzure: why do people on diybio have an issue with just doing shit
18:45 < QuantumG> costs money right?
18:46 < drazak> well if they're building electroporators
18:46 < drazak> then they can fucking try a heatshock
19:29 < ybit> http://creativecommons.org/videos/mayer-and-bettle2 is kind of scary
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19:30 < ybit> hi sutr 
19:30 < sutr> hello
19:32 < ybit> http://elm-chan.org/works/vlp/report_e.html is similar to the $10 xy laser scanner project
19:34 < ybit> sutr: who are ya? what are your interests, concentration, and hobbies?
19:39 < sutr> nothing going on really, I dont have investment interests, I just heard of your site and thought it sounded interesting, electronics and engineering is intresting as well
19:40 < ybit> our site?
19:41 < sutr> the channel
19:41 < ybit> the wiki seems to have been long forgotten, mostly cause kanzure's server was afk (in whatever way you want to take that ;)
19:43 < ybit> well.. guess i'm off to install the new 1tb hdd finally
19:51 < kanzure> woah wtf is with the diybio@gmail.com idea?
19:52 < kanzure> i don't even begin to understand explaining why that's a bad idea
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20:04 < kanzure> what am i doing?
20:05 < kanzure> does anyone know what i claim to be doing right now?
20:05 < genehacker> no
20:22 < drazak> kanzure: yeah, I know
20:23 < drazak> I only ever comment on the biology, other than eugen leitl being a pussy
20:24 < kanzure> so can someone tell me why we haven't split off yet from diybio and all these other groups?
20:24 < drazak> I dunno
20:24 < drazak> we need a group for discussion of science
20:24 < drazak> no politics allowed
20:24 < kanzure> i think you can talk about politics if you're really careful, or if it's one tenth of your output/bullshit or something
20:25 < kanzure> but yes
20:25 < kanzure> i don't know how to say it, but it sounds like a lot of people on diybio are total fucking idiots
20:25 < drazak> general rule is no politics
20:25 < drazak> 85% of them
20:25 < drazak> meredith, whomever that is,knows shit
20:27 < kanzure> drazak: have you noticed anything about the biologists in your lab?
20:27 < kanzure> like, something pathological?
20:31 < drazak> well
20:31 < drazak> it's hard to tell
20:31 < drazak> 3 of them don't speak english well
20:31 < drazak> which leaves me and one other guy
20:31 < drazak> and he's kinda weird, like me
20:31 < kanzure> that's not a very large lab
20:31 < drazak> nope
20:31 < drazak> it's 5 of us
20:33 < drazak> in the other labs all the english speakers are techs, and don't give two shits
20:33 < drazak> :s
20:37 < ybit> i
20:37 < ybit> 'm a little late to the party
20:37 < ybit> but this is funny imho: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/ep009.jpg
20:38 < drazak> LOL STALMAN
20:38 < drazak> I mean uh
20:39 < kanzure> ybit: steve's brother joe publishes that
20:39 < drazak> kanzure: I dunno, the other native english speaker is an MD/PHD student, so he's allowed to be weird
20:39 < kanzure> no, i'm not talking about weirdness
20:39 < drazak> kanzure: describe better what you mean?
20:39 < kanzure> i'm talking about this total cluelessness about computers and technology
20:39 < ybit> steve richfield?
20:40 < kanzure> ybit: steve rayhawk
20:40 < drazak> oh
20:40 < drazak> definitely not
20:40 < drazak> they know where their towels are
20:40 < drazak> completely
20:40 < kanzure> people on diybio don't even seem to know what the fuck email is
20:40 < drazak> yup
20:40 < drazak> and they all say they're programmers learning biology or biologists learning computers
20:40 < drazak> lolwat
20:42 < ybit> 20:24 < kanzure> so can someone tell me why we haven't split off yet from diybio and all these other groups?
20:42 < ybit> diyh+?
20:42 < drazak> more like cluefulbiopeople
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20:43  * ybit pulls an esr...
20:43 < ybit> or diysci
20:43 < kanzure> ybit: unfortunately that was invaded by poets
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20:43 < ybit> these poets only showed up in the last email
20:44 < ybit> aside from my mine
20:44 < kanzure> what?
20:44 < kanzure> no, they were all about "dancing on fluffy wings of bullshit" or something
20:44 < drazak> rofl
20:44 < ybit> i'm guessing you were referrign to paul and patrick
20:44 < kanzure> sigh
20:45 < ybit> o.O didn't see that one
20:45 < kanzure> yes i think it was probably patrick
20:45 < drazak> the thing is
20:45 < drazak> diybio is all like
20:45 < drazak> LOLZ LETS REINVENT THE WHEEL!
20:45 < drazak> WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING, SO LETS REINVENT IT
20:46 < kanzure> i think that the problem is their assumption that it has to be easy immediately
20:47 < kanzure> our job is to make it easier, that's true, but it doesn't just start off being ridiculous
20:47 < kanzure> the backend is made, and then the frontend is the simple display stuff
20:47 < kanzure> but until that point, you can't water things down
20:48 < drazak> yeah
20:48 < drazak> and people don't know shit about biology
20:51 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/diysci join or flame it if you want but stop complaining, grrr 
20:51 < drazak> rofl
20:52 < drazak> ybit: are you heath matlock?
20:52 < ybit> yeah
20:52 < drazak> figured
20:52 < kanzure> fuck
20:52 < kanzure> what's wrong with you?
20:52 < ybit> hehe
20:52 < fenn> bad ybit, bad!
20:52  * ybit was waiting on it :)
20:52 < drazak> taking initiative? bad!
20:53 < kanzure> no, that's not initiative
20:53 < kanzure> it's yet-another-group with nothing behind it
20:53 < drazak> kanzure needs more email groups
20:53 < kanzure> do i?
20:53 < ybit> true that
20:53 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html
20:53 < kanzure> fuck you all
20:53 < kanzure> you people suck at mailing lists :p
20:53 < drazak> I've seen that before
20:53 < ybit> no fuck you and you're top-posting hating madness ;)
20:53 < ybit> your*
20:54 < drazak> I don't even fucking know what top-posting is
20:54 < ybit> o.O
20:54 < kanzure> drazak: it's where people do some stupid email formatting and make it hard to follow
20:54 < ybit> you have been banned from the mailing list drazak ;)
20:54 < drazak> ha-ha
20:54 < kanzure> ybit: maybe you should work on skdb instead of making yet another mailing list
20:54 < ybit> kanzure: this is more of a joke
20:55 < ybit> speaking of skdb... time to go install me occ on this debian sys
20:55 < drazak> yeah, I mean, read the home page
20:56 < kanzure> ybit: i suggest following the instructions on the dokuwiki installation on adl.serveftp.org
20:56  * ybit sees no instructions on http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/occ
20:56 < drazak> woohoo I have 293B's expressing an non-replicating adenovirus for mef2c!
20:57 < kanzure> ybit: try the pythonocc page :)
20:58 < ybit> you ricer you, choosing unstable packages
20:58 < ybit> i'll have to upgrade to unstable it looks like
21:00 < kanzure> you won't have to "upgrade" per se
21:00 < kanzure> just change the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file a bit
21:00 < ybit> right
21:00 < kanzure> have you run a debian box before?
21:00 < ybit> don't forget, i've used ubuntu once before
21:00 < kanzure> once?
21:01 < ybit> okay, several times
21:03 < ybit> but this pinning thing is new to me, i kind of like it
21:06 < ybit> while dist-upgrade takes its precious time, think i'll call it a night since i don't have adrafanil just yet to keep me fully awake throughout the day 
21:06 < fenn> pinning?
21:06 < ybit> fenn: /etc/apt/preferences
21:06 < fenn> i dont think i've ever looked at that file
21:06 < ybit> fenn: http://pastebin.ca/1567822
21:06 < fenn> actually it doesn't exist
21:07 < kanzure> that's a good reason to have never looked at it
21:07 < ybit> i had to create mine as well
21:08 < ybit> and i'm hopefully about to pass out on the bed behind me, gn
21:08 < fenn> sounds like a pla
21:09 < fenn> ...n
21:09 < kanzure> fail
21:09 < fenn> i'm going to bed too.
21:09 < kanzure> uberfail
21:10 < fenn> your transcript is missing what anyone besides rothemund said
21:10 < fenn> it's sort of confusing
21:10 < kanzure> it doesn't indicate what they said
21:10 < kanzure> er, distinguish
21:11 < drazak> link the transcript again pl0x
21:12 < fenn> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2009-09-15-rothemund-utexas.html
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21:15 < kanzure> i also took another transcript today
21:15 < kanzure> this presentation was from a guy from Schlumberger
21:16 < drazak> your spelling sucks
21:17 < kanzure> he talks fast
21:17 < drazak> type faster
21:17 < kanzure> 120wpm not fast enough for you?
21:18 < drazak> faster damnit! :)
21:18 < kanzure> :)
21:18 < kanzure> and here's the transcript from the schlumberger speaker: http://heybryan.org/school/me136n/2009-09-15.html
21:26 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r 2c295fe /tests/ (test_units.py test_yamlcrap.py tests.py): cleaned up unit tests
21:26 < CIA-32> skdb: kanzure * r db2d6aa /tests/test_units.py: added some tests for ranges of different and multiple units
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22:22 < genehacker> WTF
22:22 < genehacker> you can mold metal with magnetic fields
22:22 < genehacker> http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9802/Li/Li-9802.html#ToC4
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