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00:59 < ybit> picture of the house from google, can get a decent view of the sideyard where a mad scientist garage can be placed :) 
00:59 < ybit> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=110+east+bailey+springs+drive,+florence,+al&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&cbll=34.845935,-87.590109&panoid=BtNUMBVmTPeGPC3kO3Cajg&cbp=12,94.98,,0,-3.6&hq=&hnear=110+E+Bailey+Springs+Dr,+Florence,+Lauderdale,+Alabama+35634&ll=34.850298,-87.594209&spn=0.00891,0.013711&z=16
01:00 < ybit> can't decide if i want in neighborhood or on the land recently purchased from grandfather
01:02 < ybit> oh right, ZZzzz
01:05 < ybit> problem with that house is that it isn't in my name, so i would have to follow the owner's rules (mum), and it's in neighborhood. the land i have now is ~ 3.3x that size and it's in my name, but it's just land.. and i'm guessing a min. of $40k will have to be put in it. Right now, I'm having a tough time figuring out how to get that kind of money to plunk down from my own pocket
01:08 < ybit> stock, savings, it's all ~0 at this time :\
01:08 < ybit> convincing 5 people to put in $70/month for 5 years gets me about $21k, enough to build a mudhut.
01:09 < ybit> or about 10 shipping containers.
01:09 < ybit> but getting 4 other people to do so is the hard part
01:10  * ybit wouldn't mind living in that junky house for 5 years and storing stuff in the garage in the meantime
01:11 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: if you don't mind me asking, how did you pay for your house?
01:17 < bkero> lol there was a flash mob on campus
01:21 < ybit> bkero: o.O
01:21 < ybit> what for?
01:21 < ybit> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=County+Hwy-107,+Killen,+Lauderdale,+Alabama+35645&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=35.219929,56.162109&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FWDBEwIdt4zJ-g&split=0&hq=&hnear=County+Hwy-107,+Killen,+Lauderdale,+Alabama+35645&ll=34.848501,-87.455775&spn=0.004455,0.006856&t=h&z=17
01:21 < bkero> ybit: Why not?
01:21 < bkero> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvUBArPwArU
01:22 < ybit> to the left of the A marker, below house (from the google view)
01:22 < ybit> that's the land
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01:24 < ybit> 34.846984,-87.456419 there, that's better
01:38 < ybit> bkero: flash mobs are fun, my past midnight mind was thinking pitchforks and torches :P
01:38  * ybit has wanted a flash mob pillow fight for quite some time
01:38 < bkero> We did get flashed
01:38 < ybit> not really in the mood to organize another pub event 
01:38 < ybit> eh?
01:39 < bkero> Girl flashed the mob
01:39 < bkero> THen police came
01:39 < ybit> oh, b00bs, why didn't you say so? :P
01:39 < bkero> And told her what she did was wrong, then presumably punished her.
01:40 < ybit> hmm, did the words 'bad girl' come anyone of them?
01:40 < ybit> +from
01:41  * ybit calls it a night, someone feel free to add insight to this annoying situation of building a lab
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01:41 < bkero> Don't know
01:43 < ybit> s/annoying/delightful?
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01:46 < genehacker> night?
01:46 < genehacker> I'm don't plan on sleeping tonight
02:32 < wrldpc2> Is anyone else attending SingSum?
02:38 < fenn> not that i know of.. don't you need an invitation?
02:50 < kanzure> no you just kind of show up and give them money
03:26 < wrldpc2> i dunno why vassar and anissimov are being such tight asses with the press passes
03:26 < wrldpc2> it's not like all of the proceedings aren't going to be posted to the site pos-summit anyhow
03:26 < wrldpc2> t
03:27 < wrldpc2> whatever ... i just want to drink a beer with aubrey and i'll be good.
03:28 < fenn> i thought you lived in boston.. 
03:28 < fenn> bit of a ways to go for a beer
03:31 < wrldpc2> i moved to Tenafly, NJ recently.
03:31 < wrldpc2> i had some temporary work down here and am staying with my dad.
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03:38 < wrldpc2> Does anyone have any books (in pdf format) by Yaneer Bar-Yam of the New England Complex Systems Institute (NECSI?)
03:39 < kanzure> no. but i recommond salth from necsi
03:39 < kanzure> *recommend
03:40 < wrldpc2> Seth Lloyd?  no hits on salth
03:40 < kanzure> salthe
03:40 < kanzure> stan salthe
03:40 < wrldpc2> copy
03:42 < wrldpc2> do you have any of his books?
03:42 < kanzure> no just a few thousand emails for some reason
03:43 < wrldpc2> ha
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05:19 < wrldpc2> Bryan you still there?
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06:39 < drazak> katsmeow-afk: who the hell is this kathal guy anyway
06:39 < katsmeow-afk> umm,, doesn't ring abell, should i know?
06:40 < drazak> er, cathal
06:40 < drazak> cathal garvey on diybio
06:40 < drazak> he actually knows shit compared to 98% of the rest of the list
06:40 < katsmeow-afk> Welcome :: CGarvey.ie - The personal website of Cathal GarveyCathal Garvey is an Irish IT Consultant specialising in workflow/collaborative systems, bespoke software, Internet services and hospitality networking. ...
06:40 < katsmeow-afk> cgarvey.ie/ - Cached - Similar
06:40 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno
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10:08 < genehacker> someone who actually knows something on diybio impossible!
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11:05 < wrldpc2> So Bryan is in Chicago waiting to take off.  Flight was delayed :\
11:09 < genehacker> wait a second
11:10 < genehacker> seems like he'd have classes today
11:44 < wrldpc2> He's attending SingSum09.
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13:09 < wrldpc2> off to fetch bry
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13:31 < ybit> bry and bennie wennie, don't they make a cute wouple? ;P
13:34 < Phreedom> o_O
13:39 < katsmeow-afk> so i thought a desc of a dimm was a maistake, but i got the stuff,and it says 2.6v, i wanted 2.5v, and if ddr = 2.5v , ddr2 = 1.8v, and ddr3 = 1.5v , what's 2.6v?
13:42 < ybit> ddr4
13:42 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#Chips_and_modules
13:42 < katsmeow-afk> it says DDR, not DDR4
13:42  * ybit was paid to play around with linux for the second time in his life-time today
13:43 < ybit> hmm
13:43 < ybit> well it's wrong
13:43 < ybit> or else it really doesn't do 2.6v
13:43 < katsmeow-afk> but which is wrong, the 2.6 or the DDR ?
13:43  * katsmeow-afk looks for a hammer
13:45 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: i'm guessimating the minimum cost for a house is going to be near 35k, from your experience building, how close am i?
13:45 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno, i built as i had money, and didn't keep track, but $10/sqft at least
13:45 < bkero> If you're building a domicile I'd recommend a dome or yurt. :)
13:45 < katsmeow-afk> depends on layout and material types
13:45 < bkero> Much cheaper
13:46 < bkero> Also can use less dead trees
13:46 < katsmeow-afk> or A frame
13:46 < katsmeow-afk> in western culture tho, anything other than square tends to waste space
13:47 < bkero> If you're wasting the space though, you're not doing it right :/
13:47 < katsmeow-afk> i agree
13:47 < katsmeow-afk> western culture does not do everything right
13:47 < bkero> I don't think I'll ever be able to afford a house around here
13:48 < ybit> bkero: thanks, i forgot about the hexayurt, that's something to consider
13:48 < bkero> So I'm getting a plot of land with some friends.  Some of us are doing concrete-spray domes, some of us are doing earthbags, and some of us are erecting yurts.
13:48 < bkero> ybit: Most yurts aren't perfectly round.  Many look like low-poly cylinders
13:49 < katsmeow-afk> spray isn't costing a small fortune?
13:49 < bkero> Nah
13:49 < bkero> Once you get a frame up with chicken wire, spraying costs a few thousand
13:49 < bkero> < $4k
13:50 < katsmeow-afk> anotehr option is a bubble house, you lay a slab on a large balloon, and before the contrete hardens you inflate the balloon
13:50 < bkero> That sounds difficult
13:50 < katsmeow-afk> i would feel beter with more than chicken wire, at least real concrete 6inch mesh wire, and preferably with at least 1/2 inch rebar
13:51 < bkero> I was just going to dig a giant hole, toss the remaining dirt in bags with a 10% concrete mixture, then stack them dome-shaped, then stucco over it.
13:51 < katsmeow-afk> not as difficult as spray, if you don't have the spray equipment
13:51 < katsmeow-afk> eww, i tried that for chinking, the 10% + dirt, it was a waste of cement, it makes for a water soluable house
13:52 < genehacker2> well they got a bunch down here
13:52 < bkero> The only equipment I'd need is a bagger
13:52 < genehacker2> or at least in the general locus of the place that sells em
13:52 < bkero> katsmeow-afk: It really depends on the kind of dirt you're bagging, some is good for it, some isn't.
13:52 < katsmeow-afk> ok
13:52 < katsmeow-afk> save on bags, use rammed earth?
13:52 < bkero> Not really as resilient
13:52 < katsmeow-afk> or rammed bricks?
13:52 < katsmeow-afk> ok
13:53 < bkero> Rammed bricks work, but you need to seriously waterproof the outside
13:53 < genehacker2> how about those foam brick concrete composite things that are people are starting to use
13:53 < katsmeow-afk> i meant rammed bricks with cement, and you already said stucco
13:53 < bkero> Yea, the stucco with bags is so it doesn't look like ass though, not so much the insulation or waterproofing
13:54 < bkero> If you have the proper soil you don't even need any cement mixture
13:54 < genehacker2> make walls out of these foam block things with steel between em and stack em to make molds for concrete walls
13:54 < bkero> and if you like squares you can do stuff like http://www.motherearthnews.com/uploadedImages/articles/online_articles/2005-12-01/Earthbags21.gif
13:54 < bkero> ...that actually looks pretty nice
13:55 < genehacker2> I think curved forms are available
13:57 < bkero> Friday chowdah!!!
13:57 < bkero> <3
13:58 < katsmeow-afk> i used stone-look mobile home underskirting as poured cement molds, and topped with vertical slab pours i cut (before it set up fully) with abrasive disk to resemble cut stone
13:58 < ybit> http://hexayurt.com/ these aren't so bad, in one video, the guy says it's a 12 ft diameter yurt, and it looks plenty tall. could toss up several of these, each having a specific purpose
13:58 < genehacker2> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/10/02/2009-10-02_book_reveals_chilling_details_of_how_cryonic_lab_thumped_remains_of_baseball_imm.html
13:59 < genehacker2> alcor=bad
13:59 < katsmeow-afk> hmm, Tiggr has the http://www.motherearthnews.com/uploadedImages/articles/online_articles/2005-12-01/  but not that gif ,, damned fatal memory allocation errors
14:00 < ybit> you would spend about 13k for ~4k sq ft if you were to go the hexayurt route.
14:00 < ybit> what concerns me is the insulation
14:00 < ybit> and how well is it bound to the foundation, is there a foundation, etc.
14:01 < katsmeow-afk> insulation could be your most expensive item,, vs energy for hvac will be your most expensive operating cost
14:02 < katsmeow-afk> bkero, what are tose bags made of, and how do the bags tie themselves together as the cement hardens in them?
14:04 < ybit> here http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/Earthbag-Building-Garden-Shed.aspx?page=6
14:04 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, if you plan on heavy equipment, you will have a slab at least
14:05 < ybit> here's page 1 http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/Earthbag-Building-Garden-Shed.aspx
14:12 < katsmeow-afk> the bags are not in the building materials list
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> ah, they are on the separate page tho
14:13 < genehacker2> http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2009/10/01/how_to_get_useful_data_out_of_a_drug_patent.php
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> i can only guess that Polypropylene bags
14:13 < genehacker2> WOOHOO FOR PATENTS
14:13 < katsmeow-afk>  are woven?
14:15 < katsmeow-afk> btw, ybit, HomeDepot orange buckets are great for mixing cement, you can make a holder with a 2x2 plywood with 2 1ft cleats in a V shape to hold the bottom of the bucket into with a toe of a foot, as you mix with a stucco/plaster paddle mixer in a 1/2 double-reduction drill
14:16 < katsmeow-afk> best use 2x4ft 3/4 ply, so you have space to stand on the ply too
14:16 < katsmeow-afk> this wayt he bucket won't go anywhere, but is easily removeable, as essentially nothing holds it down
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14:17 < katsmeow-afk> i poured 1000's of bags of "sand topping mix" that way
14:17 < katsmeow-afk> kdftyri netsplits
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14:19 < katsmeow-afk> wb
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14:24 < ybit> genehacker2: that does sound bad, didn't the exec.dir. of alcor offer kanzure a free pass to be frozen? 
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> you mean now?!
14:25 < ybit> no no :P
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> can't he wait till he w,, oh, ok
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> btw, ybit, HomeDepot orange buckets are great for mixing cement, you can make a holder with a 2x2 plywood with 2 1ft cleats in a V shape to hold the bottom of the bucket into with a toe of a foot, as you mix with a stucco/plaster paddle mixer in a 1/2 double-reduction drill
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> this wayt he bucket won't go anywhere, but is easily removeable, as essentially nothing holds it down
14:26 < ybit> they probably would play with his head using an atom smasher to honor him, or maybe they would bash it with it legos, either way, sounds gruesome
14:26 < katsmeow-afk> best use 2x4ft 3/4 ply, so you have space to stand on the ply too
14:26 < katsmeow-afk> i poured 1000's of bags of "sand topping mix" that way
14:27 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: i'll have a look
14:27 < ybit> but i think i have a cement mixer at the junkyard
14:27 < katsmeow-afk> oh
14:28 < katsmeow-afk> i used  my idea up on scaffolding, it didn't weigh anything
14:28 < ybit> wish i was told this before mixing over a 1000lbs of concrete in january though :P
14:28 < katsmeow-afk> ouch, winter is hard on cement
14:28 < katsmeow-afk> and hands
14:34 < ybit> it built muscle, i felt like a man's man, more so than i typically that is, because we all know how manly i am, right?... :)
14:34 < ybit> i i i i grrr
14:34 < katsmeow-afk> yea yea
14:52 < ybit> 16ft diameter earthdome or yurt is about the right size
14:54 < katsmeow-afk> for a home or a shop?
14:54 < ybit> shop
14:55 < katsmeow-afk> where do you put a 12ft lathe in a 16ft circle and still use the space around it?
14:55 < ybit> that's a massive lathe
14:55 < katsmeow-afk> ok, anything 12ft long
14:55 < ybit> you put it in a clearspan hangar
14:55 < katsmeow-afk> or 10ft
14:56 < ybit> speaking of, i need to call before they close
14:56 < katsmeow-afk> but you don't have a clearspan hangar, you built a 16ft yurt
14:56 < ybit> then you weren't thinking very straight when you built it
14:57 < katsmeow-afk> of course not, a yurt is round!
14:59 < genehacker2> wait a second
14:59 < genehacker2> do you have the lathe?
14:59 < katsmeow-afk> a) it's motorless atm b) tableless too
15:00 < katsmeow-afk> oh, and not 12ft long
15:00 < genehacker2> 12 ft lathe for real?
15:00 < genehacker2> 12 ft wide?
15:00 < katsmeow-afk> i did say no,, but i know a place that has several
15:01 < katsmeow-afk> they do truck driveshafts in them
15:01 < genehacker2> oh
15:01 < genehacker2> why are you going to do with a 12 ft lathe?
15:01 < katsmeow-afk> big boat places have them too, for prop shafts
15:01 < genehacker2> make propellor drive shafts I presume
15:02 < genehacker2> you might want a friction welding machine
15:02 < genehacker2> the shipbuilding industry uses those a lot
15:03 < katsmeow-afk> i might? because i saw or know of places, i might want one?
15:03 < genehacker2> friction welding makes nice long welds
15:06 < genehacker2> and can also be used to weld dissimilar metals
15:07 < katsmeow-afk> ok
15:09 < ybit> 21.3k for a 55ft width, 90ft length clearspan construction
15:09 < katsmeow-afk> kool, a 32Mbyte x 374bit memory module
15:10 < ybit> the guy on the phone had a neat idea, put the clearspan.struct. on top of shipping containers to give a little more clearance
15:11 < ybit> $21.3
15:11 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, in a hurricane, i think you'd wished you'd not done the shipping containers
15:11 < ybit> luckily we only have to deal with those every other year ;0
15:11 < ybit> ;) **
15:11 < bkero> katsmeow-afk: The bags can be made of a few things, let me look that up.  THey're sewn together at the top.
15:11 < bkero> and then laminated closed
15:11 < katsmeow-afk> however, you could bolt it to the tops of 2ft thick stub walls 5ft tall
15:11 < ybit> but yeah, you're right
15:12 < katsmeow-afk> 2ft thick stub walls will keep humans from driving thru them with a forklift to stealstuff for scrapmetal recycling
15:13 < ybit> heh, good luck getting to them with a forklift
15:13 < katsmeow-afk> and hold them down,, a 55ft wide span will make for a huge sail
15:13 < ybit> security is #1 priority before anything goes there
15:14 < katsmeow-afk> good luck? you will need a worklift or heavy overhead traveling crane to get stuff in and out
15:14  * ybit will have to rent those
15:14 < katsmeow-afk> i need to go outside and do things irl :-((
15:15 < katsmeow-afk> an overhead traveling crane can be made cheap enough, and can go places the forklift cannot
15:15 < katsmeow-afk> bbl
15:16 < ybit> when you get back, katsmeow-afk, if i haven't posted links to diy cranes, i want details :)
15:16 < genehacker2> now what are you guys trying to do?
15:16 < genehacker2> set up a manufacturing center in the country?
15:17  * ybit is still on this weeks' kick: building a lab
15:17 < ybit> genehacker2: yeah, no building codes or neighborhood rules
15:21 < Utopiah> http://www.seeedstudio.com/
15:29 < Utopiah> http://liquidware.pbworks.com/
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16:00 < genehacker2> sweed
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16:43  * katsmeow-afk wonders if ybit will provide visitors with language translation services
16:43 < katsmeow-afk> for instance, i was outside "awk whale'd'ing" ,  which has nothing to do with awks or whales
16:44 < katsmeow-afk> and "chewbacca" has nothing to do with a certian Star Wars character, altho the guy who said "chewbacca" to you may sound like the character
16:45  * bkero gawks
16:45 < bkero> gnu awk :)
16:45 < katsmeow-afk> ah :-)
16:46 < katsmeow-afk> and if they talk about going to Sprangvale, there's no such town, but there is a Springville
16:47 < katsmeow-afk> Tramlaw is not the act of leaving Walmart
16:48  * bkero stuck in oregons.
16:48  * katsmeow-afk tosses out http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2004/Sandra-CPU-Dhrystone,449.html fwiw
16:50 < katsmeow-afk> a Intel Pentium 4 EE 3.72 GHz Prescott,3724/266,925XE,DDR2-533 is 10x faster than a AMD K6-2+ 550 Chompers,550/100,MVP3,SDR100 
16:59 < bkero> Hehe
17:01 < katsmeow-afk> 10x faster in 10 yrs, that means they get 1x faster per year,,,, which means 10mips x 1 = 10mips the 2nd year, and 10mips x1 = 10mips the 3rd year,, math doesn't lie?
17:01 < Utopiah> 1x faster , smart Intel 
17:02 < katsmeow-afk> southwest coast of .nz is getting 50ft waves atm
17:04 < bkero> And pumps out about 10x as much heat
17:05 < katsmeow-afk> imagine if they did!
17:05 < katsmeow-afk> for the same thruput
17:05 < katsmeow-afk> a new P4 doing 5x the work, putting out 250 watts of heat (5x 50w of a P1)
17:06 < bkero> Pentium 3's were introduced in 1999.  If we compare them with Core i7s, they're a hell of a lot faster than 10x.
17:06  * katsmeow-afk nods
17:06 < katsmeow-afk> i gave the url for 2004 tests because i was interested in the single core benches
17:07 < katsmeow-afk> either browse the site for new benches, or replace 2004  in the urlwith 2008 or 2009
17:07 < bkero> K6/K6-2's kind of sucked
17:07  * katsmeow-afk needs to go back outside a while
17:07 < bkero> K7's are where athlons started handing intel their pants
17:08 < katsmeow-afk> but then the P4 hands the pants back? wait, does that means the Athlons wears the pants in this race?
17:09 < bkero> P4's never really performed that well against athlons :P
17:09 < bkero> Especially not if you factored price into it
17:09 < katsmeow-afk> they do on that bench
17:09 < katsmeow-afk> oh
17:10 < katsmeow-afk> well, i am up to buying 5 yr old puters atm,, or i was, till some guy came along and is offering $120 for these things
17:10 < bkero> Heh
17:10  * katsmeow-afk goes afk-er
17:10 < bkero> For modern performance
17:11 < bkero> $100 quad core 2.6GHz Athlon 64, $60 motherboard, $20 case, $20 RAM
17:27 < katsmeow-afk> but what software uses 4 cores?
17:27 < bkero> Your operating system
17:28 < bkero> Firefox is going to start very soon, it already uses 2
17:28 < katsmeow-afk> winxp is single threaded, i thought
17:28 < bkero> An OS can't be really
17:28 < bkero> It can block on certain things, but still execute things in parallel
17:28 < katsmeow-afk> so what good are multiple cores?
17:28 < bkero> For instance, svchost handles services, that's a process that can run on one core, explorer.exe can run on another, firefox can run on a third, etc
17:29 < katsmeow-afk> oh
17:29 < bkero> There's just a big pool of processes
17:29 < bkero> It's ordered in a queue
17:29 < bkero> and when a process needs to do something, there's a handler at the end of the queue that tells the process to "go to the freest core"
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17:29 < katsmeow-afk> well cusswords
17:33 < genehacker2> you know if you made a phased array of wave generators you could make giant waves and take out invading navy ships tryint to infringe on your seacolony
17:34 < katsmeow-afk> still be a heck of a lot of energy, and wouldn't stop the missiles
17:34 < genehacker2> guess it wouldn't
17:34 < genehacker2> but an AB dome could stop those
17:34 < genehacker2> probably
17:35 < ybit> feel free to connect to the mumber server on this comp., because switching between screens and typing gets annoying 71.228.183.181
17:35 < ybit> mumble*
17:36 < genehacker2> is hey bryan down?
17:36 < genehacker2> fuck it is
17:37 < ybit> 16:43  * katsmeow-afk wonders if ybit will provide visitors with language translation services
17:37 < ybit> oh, i was thinking spanish until i read further :P
17:37 < katsmeow-afk> heh
17:38 < ybit> seems no friends are willing to contribute captial to the project, just sigs :-\
17:39 < ybit> for some reason, i receive awkward reactions when i mention a garden, well, and solar panels
17:39 < katsmeow-afk> solar panels barely pay for themselves, and some won't
17:40 < ybit> go on
17:40 < ybit> i realize they are expensive 
17:40 < katsmeow-afk> buying them now makes sense only in terms of future price hikes in electricity and devaluation of the dollar
17:40 < katsmeow-afk> and scarcity of silicon cell ingredients
17:41 < katsmeow-afk> and with the EPA yesterday saying they will start clamping down on pollution from large point sources (read: coal power plants) electricity costs WILL go up again soon
17:42 < katsmeow-afk> so far AlaPwrCo has gotten out of improving power plants built 60 yrs ago
17:42 < genehacker2> what about nanoantenna solar cells?
17:43 < katsmeow-afk> what about them?
17:44 < katsmeow-afk> the 2009 cpu charts don't show Atoms or ARMs
17:45 < bkero> Tomshardware is too stupid to know ARM exists
17:45 < bkero> and no idea why they don't show Atoms
17:45 < bkero> Oh yea, and all of their tests are closed source and cost money, which means you can't compile them for ARM
17:45 < genehacker2> 90% efficient(over a narrow range of frequencies), could work at night(they work in the infrared spectrum especially the the range which stuff heated up in the day emits), are made of metal patterned how hologram stickers are made
17:45 < ybit> btw katsmeow-afk, how are you planning on powering your boat? small turbines in the bottom?
17:45 < ybit> (just a guess)
17:45 < katsmeow-afk> genehacker2, kool, where can we get them?
17:46 < genehacker2> but they only produce unusuable high frequency AC at the frequency of infrared light
17:46 < genehacker2> ohio national laboratories
17:46 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, i have 10 solar panels, a couple car engines, and i wanna try turbines (i have a couple plain turbine wheel disks), and otec,, sails, wind
17:47 < katsmeow-afk> why is it unuseable?
17:47 < genehacker2> it's high frequency AC current that's oscillating at the frequency of infrared radiation
17:47 < genehacker2> it's unrectifiable
17:48 < katsmeow-afk> so? will it go down a wire?
17:48 < genehacker2> yeah
17:48 < genehacker2> I think so
17:48 < katsmeow-afk> then it can make light and heat?
17:48 < genehacker2> yeah but what good is a solar powered light bulb?
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> [17:46] <genehacker2> 90% efficient(over a narrow range of frequencies), could work at night
17:49 < genehacker2> oh yeah
17:49 < katsmeow-afk> besides, "inside" is not "outside in the sun"
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> and if the power will go down a wire, then it can go into and be concentrated in a convertor tomake a easier-to-use form
17:50 < genehacker2> how do you rectify something oscillating at the frequency of light?
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> you don't, i think
17:50 < katsmeow-afk> why do you wanna keep doing that?
17:51 < genehacker2> I don't know if it can go down a wire
17:51 < genehacker2> I want DC current 
17:51 < katsmeow-afk> [17:49] <katsmeow-afk> so? will it go down a wire?
17:51 < katsmeow-afk> [17:49] <genehacker2> yeah
17:52 < katsmeow-afk> i know you want dc, but if it's 98% effcient in collection, can you waste 10% to convert it to dc and still come out ahead?
17:53 < katsmeow-afk> say "yeas"
17:54 < genehacker2> ok
17:56 < katsmeow-afk> The nanoantennas consist of tiny gold squares or spirals set in a specially treated layer of polyethylene, a common plastic. <<== poly won't last one year outside in the sun
17:57 < genehacker2> well yeah
17:57 < genehacker2> at a dollar per square foot, you can't go wrong
17:57 < genehacker2> but it looks like the cooler applications are cooling stuff with these things
17:57 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, you can, labor to replace the entire array
17:58 < genehacker2> convert the radiated heat from your computer chip to electricity and have a laptop that runs a long time
17:58 < katsmeow-afk> won't work, the cpu hasto have the heat sucked from it into something cooler, not radiated into the air
18:00 < genehacker2> the CPU emits infrared radiation
18:00 < genehacker2> if the radiation is turned into electricity then the net heat flow is to the solar cell
18:02 < katsmeow-afk> if the cpu can do without the heatsink with forced air, then why do we have all cpu with heatsinks and forced air?
18:02 < genehacker2> unfortunately you still can't convert all the heat into electricity though
18:02 < genehacker2> heh guess so
18:03 < genehacker2> I guess one could use some sort of heat pump to pump the heat to a thermal accumulator
18:03 < genehacker2> to increase it's temperature so that it incandesces
18:03 < katsmeow-afk> yea,,, let me know how that works out?
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18:05 < katsmeow-afk> ok, going bak outside
19:03  * ybit is off to bed
19:07 < drazak> later ybit
20:27 < fenn> zero emails today.. i must be experiencing causal domain shear
20:37 < genehacker2> why
20:37 < genehacker2> is heybryan down?
20:37 < fenn> probably because kanzure stole the external disk
20:38 < genehacker2> huh?
20:38 < genehacker2> oh
20:38 < genehacker2> ok
20:38 < genehacker2> usually I leave my external disk home when I travel
20:38 < genehacker2> that way I won't lose my data
20:38 < fenn> i think he's planning on being promiscuous
20:38 < fenn> with his data that is
20:39 < genehacker2> how he doesn't get any viruses
20:39 < genehacker2> well in that case
20:39 < genehacker2> that's understandable
20:39 < fenn> you would never pass a turing test
20:39 < genehacker2> sigh
20:39 < genehacker2> you might be right
20:41 < fenn> <3 tranceport 4 disk 2
20:41 < fenn> it makes me want to go looking for a rave 
20:42 < fenn> or buy a motorcycle and drive to alaska
20:42 < fenn> bad time of year to go to alaska
20:42 < genehacker2> some people are
20:43 < genehacker2> TEXAS FOR CANCER!
20:43 < fenn> oh right
20:43 < genehacker2> WE'RE BIKEING ALL THE WAY FROM TEXAS TO ALASKA TO CURE CANCER
20:43 < fenn> am i allowed to ride with them if i have cancer?
20:43 < genehacker2> ok but how does biking cure cancer?
20:43 < fenn> will it cure me?
20:44 < genehacker2> no
20:44 < genehacker2> I think I found a problem with lunar replicators 
20:44 < fenn> not enough chlorine i hear
20:45 < genehacker2> the only practical way to weld large dissimilar metal plates for chemical pressure vessels and other pressure vessels is explosion welding
20:46 < fenn> why dissimilar?
20:46 < genehacker2> corrosion resistance 
20:46 < genehacker2> extreme environment resistance
20:46 < fenn> i dont get it
20:46 < fenn> why would you weld dissimilar metals
20:46 < genehacker2> to make clad
20:47 < genehacker2> which is necessary for some extreme environment applications
20:47 < genehacker2> particulary in oil refineries and chemical plants and cryogenics plants
20:48 < genehacker2> but as far as I can tell explosion welding is really the only way to do this
20:50 < kanzure> ha ha
20:50 < genehacker2> sup
20:50 < kanzure> so there was this "VIP" meeting for the summit tonight
20:50 < kanzure> i wasn't invited
20:50 < genehacker2> how's SingSum
20:50 < kanzure> i showed up anyway
20:50 < kanzure> it was absolutely awesome
20:50 < genehacker2> and?
20:50 < genehacker2> what'd you do?
20:50 < kanzure> just mingled with people who have more money than they know what do with
20:50 < fenn> did you tell them what to do with it?
20:51 < genehacker2> damn
20:51 < kanzure> not directly
20:51 < kanzure> this was at the bloomburg building
20:51 < kanzure> the tallest building left in ny
20:51 < kanzure> at the top floor
20:51 < genehacker2> WHOA
20:52 < genehacker2> how'd you get in?
20:52 < kanzure> well
20:52 < kanzure> alter ben and i were walking around in new york 
20:52 < kanzure> we had just left the 2600 meetupo
20:52 < kanzure> *meetup
20:52 < kanzure> and michael anissimov recognized me on the streets
20:52 < kanzure> he was hailing a cab
20:52 < kanzure> and i asked where he was going, and he said the VIP meeting
20:53 < kanzure> he was dressed in a suit and tie
20:53 < kanzure> so i called ben goartzel and said that i had lost my baggage and thus didn't know the address
20:53 < kanzure> so he kindly explained how to get there
20:53 < kanzure> and then i showed up in jeans and a t-shirt
20:53 < genehacker2> sounds like a social hack
20:53 < kanzure> yep that's exactly what it was
20:54 < kanzure> anna saw me there and her brain blew up
20:54 < genehacker2> anna who?
20:54 < kanzure> she and i lived together for a few weeks in 2008
20:54 < kanzure> anyway
20:54 < genehacker2> sounds like you're having fun
20:54 < kanzure> they were handing out "speaker packets" to every one
20:54 < kanzure> and some poor kid was handing them out, he didn't know anything
20:54 < kanzure> so i asked him, very loudly, where mine was
20:54 < kanzure> then i asked eliezer directly where my speaker-packet was
20:54 < kanzure> since i was supposed to deliver a talk
20:54 < kanzure> (of course, i wasn't)
20:55 < kanzure> but now i think if i just start talking tomorrow maybe someone will listen
20:55 < fenn> yep
20:55 < fenn> do you have anything to talk about? :P
20:55 < kanzure> no
20:55 < kanzure> do they?
20:55 < fenn> but they have powerpoints!
20:55 < genehacker2> daw, now kurzweil won't be able to get a speaker packet
20:55 < genehacker2> oh wait
20:55 < genehacker2> that's a good thing
20:56 < kanzure> now i have all these business cards stuffed in my pocket
20:56 < genehacker2> nice
20:56 < kanzure> "give me an email and i will give you money. this is not the martini talking."
20:56 < kanzure> here's my theory about these social parties
20:56 < genehacker2> for real?
20:56 < kanzure> they are all crammed into very tiny apartments/pads
20:56 < kanzure> so you have to yell at the top of your lungs to get anybody to hear it
20:56 < kanzure> poor anders sandberg could barely hear me
20:56 < kanzure> and when you yell, you sound smarter or something
20:57 < kanzure> because of all of the background noise
20:57 < genehacker2> well you just have to project your voice
20:58 < genehacker2> anyway sounds like you're doing good, hope you get some sort of way to advance skdb
20:58 < fenn> so it's like 10pm what are you doing on IRC?
20:59 < kanzure> sitting around at the marriot
20:59 < genehacker2> GTFO
20:59 < kanzure> someone introduced me to michael vassar and said "this is bryan and he's crashing this party"
20:59 < fenn> srsly
20:59 < kanzure> and he told me to leave
20:59 < kanzure> so i quitely snuck out
20:59 < kanzure> i left enough of a mark though
21:00 < kanzure> okay i guess i can walk around
21:00 < kanzure> my feet kind of hurt though
21:01 < fenn> i'm surprised you didn't bring you camera after all that fuss
21:01 < fenn> or the mini toothpaste tubes on the table
21:01 < kanzure> what camera?
21:01 < fenn> the red one
21:01 < kanzure> it doesn't have a battery
21:01 < genehacker2> sounds like airline thrombosis
21:02 < genehacker2> don't sit
21:02 < fenn> yeah go out and do something
21:02 < kanzure> where should i put my stuff
21:02  * fenn goes to freebirds for a night of excitement
21:02 < genehacker2> put object stuff into hotel room
21:03 < kanzure> there is no hotel room
21:03 < kanzure> i'm waiting for this other guy to show up
21:04 < fenn> too much stuff
21:04 < kanzure> yeah i guess so
21:04 < genehacker2> how are you online?
21:05 < kanzure> marriot
21:05 < kanzure> sitting in a hotel lobby
21:05 < genehacker2> does your laptop have a camera on it?
21:05 < kanzure> yes
21:06 < genehacker2> hmm...
21:06 < kanzure> i need to write some follow-up emails
21:06 < kanzure> met this guy from NBC news
21:06 < kanzure> other various folks
21:06 < genehacker2> I would say leave the bag unattended and use your laptop to stream video
21:07 < kanzure> i met a guy who claimed to have invented retrosynthetic analysis five years before the other guy got the nobel prize for it
21:07 < ybit> genehacker2: what's the point of that? :P
21:07 < kanzure> dan stoicescu
21:07  * ybit didn't sleep
21:08 < genehacker2> well if bryan can make it look like the laptop has some sort of video security system then it's less likely to get stolen
21:08 < fenn> lulz
21:08 < genehacker2> anyway write those follow ups
21:08 < genehacker2> GO GO GO
21:08 < genehacker2> I've contemplated doing that with my laptop sometime
21:08 < fenn> before you forget who you really are
21:08 < fenn> erm i mean before you remember who you really are.. or something
21:09 < kanzure> hm  why does one of these guys have an @santafe.edu address
21:09 < ybit> realization why solar isn't the way to go for me atm: http://pastebin.com/m3b87c668
21:09 < fenn> santafe institute did a lot of complexity theory
21:10 < ybit> where is wrldpc during all of this?
21:10 < kanzure> oh he's my driver so he gets in for free
21:10 < kanzure> they let him slip in
21:11 < genehacker2> driver?
21:11 < genehacker2> ok
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21:15 < kanzure> hey wrldpc2 
21:15 < wrldpc2> yo!
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21:18 < kanzure> wrldpc2: i lost the little chip that the guy from cdsomething gave me
21:18 < kanzure> do you have one?
21:19 < genehacker> chips what sort of chips?
21:19 < wrldpc2> I got it.
21:19 < wrldpc2> give it to ya mañana
21:19 < genehacker> make sure it's not buged
21:20 < wrldpc2> true
21:21 < wrldpc2> they look clean
21:21 < genehacker> what sort of chips are they?
21:22 < genehacker> some sort of id chip or data chip?
21:22 < kanzure> no
21:23 < kanzure> it might be a guitar pick
21:24 < genehacker> it's a guitar pick
21:24 < genehacker> anyway have fun
21:24 < genehacker> I'm trawling the web for some microbio stuff
21:25 < kanzure> heh anna just walked in 
21:26 < genehacker> time to get off the computer
21:30 < kanzure> met some new york nerds at 2600
21:31 < genehacker> hmmm...
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21:47 < kanzure> hah
21:47 < kanzure> that was peter thiel's pent house
21:49 < fenn> now you can sneak in in the middle of the night and whisper socialist propaganda into his quietly sleeping ear
21:49 < kanzure> "His NY apartment boasts an $8,000 armchair designed by 20th-century designer Tommi Parzinger, whose clients included Marilyn Monroe; a $15,000 sofa by Mattaliano, and $25,000 Neidermaier dining chairs."
21:51 < ybit> sounds like a waste of money
21:53 < fenn> i bet the rent is way more
21:55 < fenn> this is kinda cool.. i have line of sight to zilker park so i can hear austin city limits quite clearly
21:56 < wrldpc2> wow
21:56 < fenn> no idea who is playing though
21:56 < wrldpc2> cool
21:56 < wrldpc2> shotgun mic
22:07 < kanzure> hm there goes eliezer, goertzel and a few others
22:07 < kanzure> hi emil
22:07 < kanzure> why is everyone here?
22:08 < wrldpc2> lolwtf
22:11 < genehacker> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
22:12 < genehacker> speaking of ACL, I should probably head down there tomorrow and assassinate my target(in a game not IRL)
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22:35 < wrldpc2> awesome
22:42 < bkero> http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/  Ahh yea
22:50 < fenn> "rest assured that, while I intend to provide plenty of very interesting detail about what I'm doing, the detail of how some of the critical aspects will not be disclosed here, for obvious reasons. "
22:50 < fenn> i wish people wouldn't assume their obvious reasons are obvious
22:52 < genehacker> if you're going to build a cruise missile, build a cruise missile shooter downer too
22:52 < genehacker> can't have chaos if one side is unbalanced
22:53 < fenn> is an anti cruise missile a type of cruise missile?
22:53 < genehacker> I don't know
22:55 < bkero> Need an open source cruise missile for $5000 minus payload
22:57 < fenn> i wonder how he justifies charging for subscription since supposedly he's just doing it to create public awareness
22:57 < genehacker> how about hand missile launcher and a ship with an integrated missile microfactory
22:58 < fenn> hmm there's a huge flaw in his flight control electronics
22:58 < genehacker> maybe the CIA made him put that there
22:58 < fenn> he uses GPS for position, but ALL non-military GPS receivers will blank out if you go over a certain speed
22:58 < genehacker> why?
22:59 < genehacker> they work in airplanes fairly well
22:59 < fenn> to prevent people from launching DIY cruise missiles, presumably
22:59 < genehacker> that feature can be disabled
22:59 < fenn> uhm no
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23:00 < genehacker> by using the new gps system that just came out
23:00 < fenn> looks like it's about 500m/s
23:00 < fenn> so the cruise missile wouldn't be affected.. nevermind
23:01 < genehacker> any one could just use a really good inertial guidance system
23:01 < fenn> yeah right
23:02 < genehacker> laser ring gyros perhaps?
23:02 < genehacker> acoustic ring gyros?
23:03 < fenn> wish i had something that went 500m/s to test this assertion with
23:05 < fenn> 'Note: for obvious reasons, I will not be releasing full details of the flight control software to anyone except government or military departments from "friendly" countries.'
23:06 < fenn> more obvious reasons...
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23:39 < fenn> "A court in Brazil has ruled that P2P software is illegal in that country, on the grounds that it is primarily used to infringe the legal rights of those who create copyrighted material."
23:44 < bkero> Bahaha.  <3 UnitedNuclear.  http://www.unitednuclear.com/deathray.htm
23:45 < bkero> In other words, I won't be moving to Brazil.
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23:45 < bkero> Don't want to live in America
23:46 < bkero> Where can I go do things and not be prosecuted?
23:47 < fenn> cyberia
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23:48 < fenn> 80 watt is hardly a death ray
23:48 < fenn> that doesn't mean i dont want one
23:53 < fenn> the longoria machine sounds more like an x-ray or gamma ray emitter
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23:59 < bkero> what the fuck fuck fuck fuck
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