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02:11 < genehacker> http://theuniverseas.com/how-useful-are-you-take-this-technology-quiz
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04:16 < fenn> i got 10/10 on the technology quiz but for some reason i don't feel proud
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04:29 < genehacker> yeah
04:29 < kanzure> "obama wins nobel peace prize" http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5981JK20091009
04:29 < genehacker> still it's good stuff to know
04:30 < genehacker> meh
04:30 < genehacker> more interested in the other nobel prizes
04:31 < kanzure> i think it's funny
04:31 < genehacker> wait a second did he really win?
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04:32 < genehacker> we need those nukes you knoww
04:32 < genehacker> for in case of alien attack or impending meteor impact
04:33 < genehacker> woohoo enough time for 3 hours of sleep
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06:32 < fenn> web scraping for profit? http://www.aggdata.com/about
06:33 < fenn> i can't believe they make money on this..
06:34 < fenn> $39 for a list of all arby's restaurants.. how many people need to know this?
06:46 < drazak> I dunno man
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08:11 < fenn> so drazak what made you decide to read anathem? and how far in are you?
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08:41 < fenn> kanzure: as requested, please come up with a list of things you want to talk about for h+ summit that are not things that I want to talk about
08:41 < fenn> i.e. diybio stuff
08:41 < fenn> or should i make a list of things i want and you can find the complement?
08:41 < fenn> and are we really last in the lineup?
08:43 < kanzure> there's a diybio talk too so i don't know if that's game for me
08:43 < kanzure> i definitely want one of us to do a demo
08:43 < kanzure> (whatever that means)
08:43 < kanzure> i'll get a list i guess
08:47 < fenn> fwiw i think the talk should be more about the generic concepts and less about our specific implementation, or it will come across as a sales pitch
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09:51 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/topics huh a different view on google groups?
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10:26 < kanzure> does anyone know what file format a sharepoint presentation is probably going to be in?
10:26 < kanzure> for instance, powerpoint is typically in ppt
10:46 < fenn> "Personally my working theory is that Nepotism is the only way anything gets done, all declarations of meritocracy and transparency to the contrary." - joseph jackson
10:49 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure , prolly more work than needed : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_list_of_file_extensions
11:17 < fenn> that damn genehcker
11:17 < fenn> always closing his laptop
11:46 < fenn> here's your igem ripoff http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2942143955_995c9f6a20.jpg
11:46 < fenn> i still think it's dumb though
11:48 < kanzure> http://lwn.net/2001/features/KernelSummit/
12:08 < fenn> kanzure: the bjork robot video i was talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQA
12:14 < fenn> warning: cheese factor 0.6
12:17 < fenn> mumble mumble transhumanist theme song etc
12:32 < fenn> this page kept coming up repeatedly http://cscott.net/Projects/FabClass/
12:33 < fenn> as well as random people from cba: alex slocum, cynthia breazel, saul griffith, 
12:35 < fenn> and the OLPC is in the same clique
12:36 < fenn> without OLPC the whole netbook thing would never have happened
12:36 < fenn> i remember thinking it was really cool even if you ignored the whole 'humanitarian' aspect
12:50 < fenn> it's kinda scary i actually understand what this is saying now http://cscott.net/Projects/Mallard/
12:51 < bkero> wtf http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aVcHn1Ig_M1E
12:55 < fenn> well at least he agrees that he doesn't deserve it
12:57 < bkero> Didn't see that one coming
12:59 < fenn> i was under the impression that you had to campaign pretty hard to actually win a nobel prize (at least the science ones)
13:04 < bkero> Yea
14:03 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COCOMO
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14:39 < kanzure> woot
14:40 < kanzure> http://ng.cba.mit.edu/show/video.html
14:41 < fenn> my "holy crap" was in response to http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=113815459076713258356.000463b77495ac9c316f8&source=embed&ll=41.838874,-87.673645&spn=0.434828,0.583649
14:51 < ybit> ah, the tornado siren beside my house, nothing like the feeling that your ears may fall off
14:52  * ybit badly wants to see a tornado
14:53 < ybit> any suggestions for live weather radar updates? 
14:53 < ybit> aside from the t.v.
14:53 < fenn> nws.noaa.gov
14:54 < fenn> it wants java but overall seems to be the least annoying website
14:55 < ybit> indeed, thanks for the recommendation
14:56 < fenn> is there sound in this video? any idea wtf is happening? http://ng.cba.mit.edu/show/demo/siljet.mpg
14:58 < ybit> no sound
15:25 < fenn> i want to be this guy when i grow up http://ng.cba.mit.edu/show/video/09.04.Spirit_Chair.mpg
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15:33 < fenn> this looks pretty simple to make http://ng.cba.mit.edu/show/video/09.04.electro_stepper.mpg
15:33 < fenn> based on the same principle as a hypocycloid gear
16:21 < any54251606> ybit http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=BMX&region=c4&lat=33.51913834&lon=-86.80933380&label=Birmingham%2c%20AL
16:21 < any54251606> pic your own zip
16:30 < ybit> any54251606: is it updated more often than nws?
16:30 < ybit> what's different
16:32 < kanzure> not sure how to organize the presentation
16:32 < kanzure> i have this large section on gnu, fsf, osi, linux, debian, ubuntu, etc., 
16:32 < ybit> please do a better job than i did
16:33 < kanzure> but i'm not sure if i should put all this 'diy' stuff before or after it
16:34 < bkero> I know some stuff about open source :)
16:35 < ybit> just because you work in an open source lab? oh come on! ;)
16:35 < kanzure> huh where did this come from? http://blog.raamdev.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/apt-get-wife.png
16:36 < kanzure> ooh
16:36 < kanzure> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z95/fondis002/apt-get-a-1.png
16:36 < any54251606> ybit, i didn't time either
16:37 < any54251606> you can zoom with the wunderground one
16:37 < any54251606> neither will update with my FF
16:37 < kanzure> ybit: i don't get it. http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2009/248/b/6/Sudowoodo_apt_get_by_Lexino.jpg
16:38 < ybit> guess that's on the minor todo list at some point, to figure out which online weather service has more up-to-date radar images, and which one tells me if i'm about to be tossed a good ways off my chair
16:38 < any54251606> ybit, the wunderground yo can also recenter by clicking where you want the center to be
16:39  * any54251606 is roughly under the 'm' in "bham"
16:40 < ybit> kanzure: maybe they are saying the grown-up one has super powers the younger one didn't, don't know
16:41 < kanzure> this is not a good job: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/images/apt-diagram-simple.png
16:41 < kanzure> ybit: sudowoodo.. i just don't get it. sudowodoo wasn't a good pokemon anyway
16:41  * ybit has to find the 200 links that were open, but are now lost to oblivion
16:42 < ybit> right, i can't even think of a good joke about him carrying 6 balls 
16:43 < ybit> off to deposit stock money and hopefully have the freerunner on the way
16:43 < kanzure> i just want a little diagram of a machine sucking up this giant web of dependencies and spitting out a "hello, dave, what would you like to do today?" login screen
16:43 < kanzure> is this too much to ask for?
16:43 < ybit> i can draw something real quick.. later though
16:45  * any54251606 wants an animation of a robot driving down a divided interstate, with a gps telling it to turn left, and a camera zoom out showing the left side of the car being ground off by the divider, the robot looking left, it's nose being ground off my the concrete divider, saying that option is greyed out
16:50 < any54251606> everyone who remembers that ibuprofen is ototoxic, raise your hand
16:51 < any54251606> WHAT?
16:51 < any54251606> ican't hear you, what part of "it's ototoxic, raise your hand " didn't you understand?
16:53 < kanzure> maybe we need a penguin opening up lots of packages and unpacking stuff
17:08 < drazak> I am motherfucking exhausted
17:19 < fenn> i think yoko ono should have won the nobel peace prize
17:21 < drazak> rofl
17:24 < fenn> what happened at something:30 on october 9th?
17:25 < drazak> also what the fuck
17:25 < drazak> my computer won't play music
18:02 < drazak> ugh I hate doing reverse transcriptase
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19:33 < ybit> soft tiles and reflectix insulation, two neat technologies i just became aware of
19:34 < ybit> vinay gupa or however you spell his name just told me also that hexayurts with this type of tech can survive -6C easy, any54251606, comment?
19:35  * ybit is about to post an email to the hexayurt mailing list concerning price comparisons on alt building methods
19:40 < ybit> and apparently the death star i keep seeing is an inflatable satellite dish
19:40 < ybit> http://tinyhouseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hexayurt1.jpg
19:40 < ybit> http://www.gatr.com/
19:43 < kanzure> dum de do
19:43 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/screenshots/2009-10-09.png
19:49 < kanzure> http://prezi.com/ eh?
19:50 < ybit> http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt/browse_thread/thread/2fe50bc9a57842fe
19:53 < ybit> nothing there really, the poster just makes me feel rich and 21st centuryish if i go the hexayurt route
19:54 < ybit> http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_schematics
20:01 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/images/hexalab.png
20:04 < any54251606> ybit, it's an abbreviated house, conservation of surface area, but reflecting heat doesn';t work worth a pee if the air is moving, which it almost always is
20:11 < any54251606> i think it's benefits are it's airtight right at the insulation surface,and the foam is closed cell, more than anything else
20:13 < any54251606> you can get sheets of osb done the same way, altho osb itslef isn't airtight; they put two sheets of osb in the form, and shoot expanding foam tween them, you get heavier structural 3 to 6 inch thick sections of that foamboard
20:13 < ybit> that's what vinay suggested i build the hexayurt out of
20:13 < any54251606> paint the osb, seal the stuff with the paint, and it's entirely a scaled up version of that 
20:14 < ybit> there are already these types of hexayurts
20:14 < any54251606> ok, but anyone can put anew door into your space by cutting the tape
20:14 < any54251606> you going for cheap? or durable?
20:15 < ybit> can i has both?
20:16 < any54251606> not if the entire house is only foam
20:16 < ybit> it's osb or plywood
20:16 < any54251606> all i saw was foil-covered foam
20:16 < ybit> http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/other/plywood-hexayurt-
20:17 < ybit> argh
20:17 < any54251606> ?
20:18 < ybit> fourth video down from hexayurt.com
20:18 < ybit> s/from/on
20:22 < any54251606> well, i have no audio, and the movie is choppy
20:23 < any54251606> keep in mind, osb is not airtight or watertight
20:24 < any54251606> it's draft, and will not keep rain out
20:24 < ybit> http://blip.tv/file/get/Hexayurt-PlywoodHexayurtConstructionDetails992.MP4
20:24 < any54251606> drfty
20:24 < ybit> http://blip.tv/file/2596816/
20:24 < any54251606> if it gets wet, it warps to no end
20:25 < any54251606> in some places, it is not rated for any structural strngth at all
20:25 < any54251606> and it will outgas glue fumes for  a year or more
20:26 < ybit> another plywood hex.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fwlIxWomyw
20:26 < ybit> 20:24 < any54251606> it's draft, and will not keep rain out
20:26 < any54251606> http://a7.video2.blip.tv/0630002046593/Hexayurt-PlywoodHexayurtConstructionDetails992.MP4?bri=9.7&brs=4233  is the same one you gave earlier
20:26 < drazak> aygh
20:26 < ybit> re:^ it's water-proof
20:27 < any54251606> ybit, i have seen water run right thru the stuff
20:27 < ybit> i think it has waterproof paint
20:27 < ybit> i _think_ that's why it's called waterproof
20:28 < ybit> drazak: get back to work! :P
20:28 < any54251606> i dunno...... the guy smoking the joint, vs the guy who can't operate the drill/driver on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fwlIxWomyw doesn't inspire me
20:29 < ybit> haha, will view it when the download is complete
20:29 < any54251606> tv here is now replaying entire evenings of shows,, tonite is a rerun of last nite
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20:32 < any54251606> re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fwlIxWomyw   ; get some power tools, seriously
20:33 < any54251606> it's not efficient to use labor and feed laborers for days, when one saw will do all the work in one hour
20:34 < any54251606> he's doing a event to teach how to make a yurt and live on $1000's yr in the woods?
20:35 < any54251606> i've lived in a communte before, this isn't working for me
20:35 < any54251606> commune
20:35 < drazak> ybit: I'm home
20:35 < drazak> ybit: I don't o back to the lab until monday
20:35 < ybit> on columbus day, blasphemy!
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20:42 < ybit> lol, i see what you mean about the need for power tools 
20:43 < ybit> it's almost unbearable watching this
20:45 < genehacker> http://www.intellectualpornography.com/2009/10/one-oclock-daily---a-prize-for-layman-science.html
20:45 < genehacker> whoa
20:45 < genehacker> I stay off of IRC for one day and miss a whole bunch?
20:46 < drazak> ybit: psh
20:46 < drazak> ybit: there's going to be like, everyone that normally comes in
20:48 < ybit> http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=527 :: CEB, Hexacube, and Hexayurt: Side by Side
20:48 < ybit> genehacker: what'd you miss?
20:48 < genehacker> got some emails from fenn and kanzure
20:49 < genehacker> fenn, so you have something that can hover, now how do you land it and control which direction it's going it?
20:51 < genehacker> also let's not forget about what would happen if the package was loosely secured in something spinning like that
20:52 < genehacker> it'd wobble like crazy
20:56 < genehacker> it's a cool design though
20:56 < genehacker> reminds me of this:
21:08 < any54251606> ybit, how much floor area can you cover with a hexayurt, with 4ft tall walls, using 7 sheets of 4x8 plywood/osb ?
21:10 < genehacker> dang can't find it
21:12 < any54251606> ybit, for a square: 4 sheets to make the walls, 2 to make a roof, 1 to raise the roof 2ft on one edge and make it slope
21:12 < any54251606> (the rest of the 2ft x8ft piece is made into two wedges to fill in undr the sloping sides of the roof)
21:14 < any54251606> so with 2 cuts, you get a 8x8 with a peak ceiling of 6ft, with 7sheets, which you can layer up 4x8 insulation against inside, and only one oddball multi-angled cut is needed, and it's only one cut off 90degrees
21:16 < any54251606> a hexayurt with 4x4 wall panels has many odd lumber cuts, has a floor space of 41sqft (vs 64 for the 4sided box)
21:19 < any54251606> if you want more room, make a round house, big enough diam that you don't need to cut the exterior sheathing, just bend around and screw into place, subdivide as needed
21:19 < any54251606> last thing you need, trust me, is a comforter/blanket falling off the bed at night against a hot wood heater
21:20 < any54251606> put the wood burner in the other room
21:23 < genehacker> ah here it is
21:23 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Triebfluegeljaeger
21:50 < genehacker> hmmm.... now I wonder would a water gun with a 3000 psi jet be safe?
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23:36 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZQpWo9Qhs&feature=related
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