--- Day changed Tue Oct 13 2009
00:03 < ybit> katsmeow: what do you do for fun outside of internetverse
00:04 < katsmeow> not a hell of a lot
00:05 < katsmeow> no place to go, nothing to do, no one to do it with
00:10 < katsmeow> what about you?
00:14 < ybit> In the meantime, a Lego-built autonomous robot able to follow a pre-set track and assemble an exact copy of itself, starting from four externally-provided components, was demonstrated experimentally in 2003
00:14 < ybit> http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM/3.23.4.htm
00:15 < katsmeow> what functional use was it to anyone tho?
00:15 < ybit> katsmeow: had asked earlier a few of the people here
00:15 < ybit> 10:42 < ybit> hehe, seriously, i feel like i'm unproductive by just sitting at the computer 24hr/day, my mind starts to wonder and i lose motivation to do what it is  that i started out to do
00:15 < ybit> 10:43 < ybit> so i thought that maybe splitting my day into chunks would help, 3hrs of productive work, 1.5 hours of playtime away from the computer, repeat 3x
00:15 < ybit> fenn suggested tai chi
00:15 < ybit> from there i found systema, man that's intense
00:16 < ybit> i'm not really sure what to do atm, at some point i just decided that life was a game and to do whatever allows for creativity, relaxation, focus or whatever it is i want when afk
00:17 < katsmeow> i don't find incentive for self-improvement, when i know anything i do won't make me any more acceptable to society
00:18  * ybit needs to sleep unfortunately, but this is interesting to me
00:18 < ybit> gn katsmeow 
00:19 < katsmeow> see, even mentioning stuff non-specifically drives humans away
00:19 < katsmeow> gnite
00:40 < bkero> Hrm?
00:40 < bkero> katsmeow: You just have to abandon the craving for acceptance from general society. :)
00:42 < katsmeow> it's also a craving for society to stop putting me down, like the legal system assigning all my property rights to a dog just because i have trouble standing up
00:45 < katsmeow> humans coming up to me and yelling really slowly in my face how brave i must be to come to Walmart
00:46 < katsmeow> humans telling me repeatedly how heavy a 2lb package is, and i must need assistance to move it
00:46 < katsmeow> humans telling others that i cannot read or write
00:47 < katsmeow> and if i whip out somemthing to read, they say someone else read it to me and i memorised the entire 1200 page book
00:48 < katsmeow> humans saying i cannot work on the car/truck,, specifically in one case saying i cold not replace the truck rear springs because i could not have stood up to do it, never considering if anyone did stand up, they couldn't reach up under the vehicle to the springs
00:54 < bkero> A lot of people struggle with the 'what a courageous girl', and don't stop to think about her desire for independence.
00:55 < bkero> I dated a girl with really bad arthritis and mangled hands/feet for a few years.  She's still one of the strongest people I know.
00:55 < katsmeow> "desire" for independance? i AM independent! no one will have anything to do with me!
00:55 < bkero> But they want to help you all the time it seems.
00:55 < bkero> some of them don't get why you would consider that a bad thing
00:56 < katsmeow> yea,, and i don't kow why they intrude, or then why i cannot do things like put up solar panels or have a garden on my own property
00:57 < katsmeow> i cannot collect rain water intentionally, to i use water from the "rain measuring devices" to water the house plants
00:58 < katsmeow> i need human rights, i do not need to be forced to accept help opening a door
00:59 < katsmeow> i do not need, want, accept, require, request, help, assistance, aid, encouragement in any way regarding doors
01:00 < katsmeow> yet humans believe they must cram that down my throat
01:03 < bkero> Not all humans are like that.
01:04 < katsmeow> uh huh
01:04 < bkero> Do the ones that know you still behave like that?
01:05 < katsmeow> most do, they cannot break their programming (upbringing)
01:05 < bkero> Here we challenge our programming all the time.
01:05 < katsmeow> there's 3 that don't, two are in other states, two have spouses that cannot accept me, 
01:05 < bkero> It's what's nice about living in a progressive section.
01:06 < katsmeow> progressive section of what?
01:06 < bkero> Progressive...city
01:06 < katsmeow> o
01:06 < katsmeow> without a job, i cannot live in a city
01:07 < bkero> Sounds like you have a shitty situation
01:07 < katsmeow> explains my shitty demeanor
01:08 < katsmeow> i gave up "rising above it", all that did was give me ulcers, it accomplished nothing
01:08 < bkero> I suppose I should be lucky that people just leave me alone.  I'm a very private person.
01:08 < katsmeow> i gave up on self improvement, i got spat on for being "uppity, thinking you're better than us", and got me nothing good
01:09 < katsmeow> well, if i canget the boat in the water, perhaps leave them 500 miles in my wake, i'llbe better off, i dunno yet
01:11 < bkero> You'll have to find something to do on the other side
01:12 < katsmeow> other side? of?
01:12 < bkero> Whatever's 500 miles away.
01:13 < katsmeow> ah, lack of humans telling me i cannot grow tomatoes, or generate my own power again, or use an elevator, or read and write
01:13 < bkero> Oh, seasteading
01:13 < katsmeow> that works too
01:13 < katsmeow> altho, tomatoes don't grow in an ocean, and solar/wind isn't ocean related either
01:14 < katsmeow> elevators aren't all so great in salt water to get from bedroom to other rooms
01:14 < bkero> I fear that if you're at sea too long you'll turn in to Kevin Costner.
01:14 < katsmeow> but yea,, the land is generally infested with humans
01:14 < bkero> There's plenty of land in Russia where there aren't any. :)
01:14 < katsmeow> other than the sex change, would that be so bad?
01:14 < bkero> Not exactly arable land.
01:15 < bkero> Additionally you could move to a small town, where you'd only have to tell people to fuck off once, since they'd all know you.
01:15 < katsmeow> this place is said to be small, yet for 20 years i been refusing help and asking to be hired
01:16 < bkero> Nobody will give you a job? :/
01:16 < katsmeow> correct
01:17 < bkero> Shitty
01:29 < bkero> Oh man, I bothered to read the front page of conservapedia.  What a horrible mistake.
01:30 < katsmeow> Conservapedia Launches Effort to Translate the Bible Into ...?
01:32 < bkero> They want to take all the liberal out of the bible
01:32 < bkero> They say "liberal" 35 times on the front page.
01:34 < katsmeow> i think i won't bother going there
01:36 < bkero> It will make you more upset than you already are.  Much more upset.
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02:58 < kanzure> "The new Reality Mining dataset is now available. This data consists of 220,000 hours of continuous movement and communication involving 106 subjects over 9 months, coupled with new survey data ranging from friendships and workplace satisfaction to recent illness and local hangouts. For more information go to http://reality.media.mit.edu or email reality@media.mit.edu. "
02:59 < kanzure> also a CPAN data analysis competition?
03:11 < fenn> that shit's scary
03:11 < fenn> remind me why i carry a cellphone again?
03:14 < kanzure> "workplace satisfaction"
03:14 < kanzure> oh you mean none?
03:18 < fenn> just look at the titles: http://reality.media.mit.edu/publications.php
03:19 < fenn> and think about who is doing the analyzing
03:19 < fenn> hint: not you or me, or anyone we know
03:19 < fenn> (i hope)
03:20 < fenn> having just read "little brother" perhaps it's more obvious to me
03:21 < fenn> the guy gave a talk about it a couple years ago.. basically they can figure everything out about you simply by doing primitive accelerometer analysis on your phone
03:22 < fenn> who you know, what your job is, who/what you like and dislike
03:23 < fenn> where you go every day and when.. but that's redundant with the GPS sensors
03:23 < fenn> http://reality.media.mit.edu/dyads.php
03:25 < fenn> just using bluetooth proximity information, "Workplace colleagues, outside friends, and people within a user's circle of friends were identified with over 90% accuracy"
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05:59 < wrldpc2> http://nixweb.com/you-are-here/
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07:47 < ybit> .com addresses: partsfabr, partfabr, humcie, adfabr, partmates.com, p2pdevs.com, adfablab, numables, numnums, adfaba
07:56 < ybit> (all available)
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08:02 < katsmeow-afk> humcie?
08:03 < katsmeow-afk> wierd! no rain scheduled for today!
08:09 < ybit> an equivalent to diysci in spanish :P since jason bobe has .com
08:12 < katsmeow-afk> o
08:12  * ybit has always liked rainy weather, but it's really been an impendiment here recently
08:15 < katsmeow-afk> for real
08:16 < katsmeow-afk> i tell people we have been getting a hurricane's worth every week here, yesterday alone is was 3-5 inches
08:16 < katsmeow-afk> and there'sa re-do for tonite(!?) and another Thursday
08:17 < katsmeow-afk> that's *months* worth of rain in one week
08:20 < katsmeow-afk> is there a Titan's nick for innovation?
08:21 < katsmeow-afk> or are they just a bunch of destructive bullies?
08:26  * katsmeow-afk drops the PalPal user agreement into the Ai drive to test the parser against
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10:09 < kanzure> fenn: could you trace wxDisplay.py SaveAsImage for me? i've been trying and can only get to NISViewer and i get lost
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10:40 < kanzure> http://timeship.org/project.html
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10:51 < genehacker> heard about that
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11:06 < kanzure> who wrote the paper on parts closure (re: self replication) recently, and why don't i know them?
11:08 < genehacker> whoa
11:08 < genehacker> what paper?
11:11 < genehacker> it's not on openmanufacturing, diybio, or diyh+
11:12 < genehacker> what paper are you refering to?
11:13 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Towards%20cyclic%20fabrication%20systems%20for%20modular%20robotics%20and%20rapid%20manufacturing.pdf
11:13 < kanzure> Towards cyclic fabrication systems for modular robotics and rapid manufacturing
11:15 < genehacker> Matt Moses
11:15 < genehacker> I thought you already read that paper?
11:16 < genehacker> lets not forget Hiroshi Yamaguchi, and Gregory S. Chirikjian 
11:16 < genehacker> Chirikjian has done work on lego self-replicators
11:16 < genehacker> how do you not know them?
11:16 < genehacker> didn't you read KSRM?
11:18 < genehacker> anyway the system proposed in that paper can make just about anything if combined with investment casting or plaster based molds and a foundary
11:18 < genehacker> are you ok?
11:23 < kanzure> yes i'm fine
11:23 < kanzure> no i don't recognize those names
11:24 < kanzure> i've been meaning to grab all of the papers referenced in KSRM, but i haven't got around to it
11:30 < genehacker> http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM/3.18.htm
11:31 < genehacker> http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM/3.23.htm
11:31 < genehacker> why did you all of a sudden get interested in that paper
11:32 < kanzure> it has been on my mind for a while and i realized that i didn't know who wrote it
11:35 < genehacker> do you think that paper offers a system worth pursuing for total replication?
11:35 < genehacker> I think it does
11:35 < kanzure> i think it might be worth writing up their dc motor as a skdb package
11:36 < genehacker> ok got it
11:36 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/dc-brush-motor-cyclic-fabrication-system.png
11:36 < genehacker> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:802
11:36 < genehacker> document away
11:36 < kanzure> oops wrong link
11:37 < kanzure> ok should be fixed
11:37 < genehacker> anyway the point is this system produces wax forms
11:37 < genehacker> wax forms can be used to do investment casting
11:37 < genehacker> investment casting can be used to make metal parts
11:37 < kanzure> https://custer.lcsr.jhu.edu/Publications#Robotic_Self-Replication hm
11:38 < kanzure> genehacker: if you want to help out skdb, it would be cool if you could convert the .stl and .dxf files to .step or .iges
11:39 < kanzure> genehacker: when you publish a thing on thingiverse, do you upload the screenshots that you see on the left?
11:39 < genehacker> no
11:39 < genehacker> it does that automatically
11:40 < genehacker> the green screenshots are generated automatically
11:40 < kanzure> i guess it's easier to generate screenshots of stl files?
11:40 < genehacker> the color pictures of the finished item are what you upload
11:40 < genehacker> I guess
11:40 < kanzure> well opencascade can convert stuff to stl i guess
11:40 < kanzure> but then how are they generating the screenshots?
11:40 < genehacker> automatically of course
11:41 < genehacker> with software that generates screenshots of .stl files, .dxf files, and other files thingiverse recognizes
11:41 < genehacker> go into a cad program, make something, and upload it to thingiverse and see for yourself
11:42 < kanzure> that doesn't tell me how they do it
11:43 < genehacker> you could ask them
11:43 < kanzure> zack isn't very friendly
11:44 < fenn> 'convert stl or dxf to step or iges' is a terrible idea
11:44 < genehacker> hmmm... 
11:45 < genehacker> I should probably upload the .dwg file for a theojansen walker to skdb
11:45 < kanzure> i don't know what to do with a .dwg file
11:47 < kanzure> does anyone know a good source of steady state equations for different mechanical components?
11:48 < genehacker> I don't think there are any
11:48 < genehacker> what sort of components?
11:48 < genehacker> levers, gears, wheels, ramps, wedges?
11:49 < genehacker> levers and gears pretty much use the same equation
11:51 < kanzure> basic machine elements and yes, levers, gears, wheels, ramps, wedges, screws, bolts, washers, nuts, other crap
11:51 < genehacker> http://wikis.controltheorypro.com/index.php?title=Mechanical_Component_Modeling
11:52 < genehacker> what sort of information do you want to know
11:53 < genehacker> I could derive it
11:55 < kanzure> i would like some steady state equations for the inputs and outputs of maybe 10 basic components
11:56 < genehacker> what do you mean by steady state?
11:56 < kanzure> like a spring, motor, screw/bolt/fastener of your choice, basic electronic elements (capacitor, resistor, transformer, battery, resistor), hydraulic element of your choice
11:57 < genehacker> a motor outputs torque
11:57 < genehacker> and power
11:58 < kanzure> yes i know
11:58 < genehacker> I can't think of the inputs and outputs of a screw/bolt fastener
11:58 < genehacker> force I guess?
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11:59 < genehacker> F1*A1=F2*A2?
12:00 < kanzure> "For example: The flow of fluid through a tube, or electricity through a network, could be in a steady state because there is a constant flow of fluid, or electricity. Conversely, a tank which is being drained or filled with fluid would be an example of a system in transient state, because the volume of fluid contained in it changes with time."
12:00 < kanzure> genehacker: yes it would be either force or pressure, fenn modeled it as a pressure with the screw in skdb
12:00 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/screw.py
12:00 < kanzure> steady state is a more general situation than dynamic equilibrium
12:01 < genehacker> ok
12:01 < kanzure> "In a steady state the rate of inputs is equal to the rate of outputs so that the composition of the system is unchanging in time. For example, a lake is in a steady state when water flows in at the same rate as water flows out."
12:01 < genehacker> then levers, gears, and wheels use L1*F1=L2*F2
12:02 < kanzure> please define your variables
12:02 < genehacker> lenght1*force1=length2*Force2
12:03 < genehacker> or torque= length*force
12:03 < genehacker> you really need to define what inputs and outputs you want
12:05 < genehacker> energy, mass, heat, donuts?
12:06 < genehacker> and force
12:07 < kanzure> steady state behavior of a dc motor: torque = k*i - constant torque (also known as the the sliding friction) where i = (constant DC voltage - (k * angular_rotation)) / lumped_resistance   where k is the motor constant 
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12:09 < kanzure> maximum power output of moses' dc motor: 1/(4R) * (voltage - (constant torque or sliding friction)*R / k) where R is the radius 
12:09 < genehacker> ok
12:09 < kanzure> what do you call these equations?
12:10 < genehacker> I don't know
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12:12 < genehacker> I can give you some thermodynamics steady state equations
12:12 < kanzure> isn't this what "statics" is all about?
12:12 < genehacker> no
12:12 < genehacker> this isn't what statics is all about
12:12 < kanzure> "Statics is the branch of mechanics concerned with the analysis of loads (force, torque/moment) on physical systems in static equilibrium, that is, in a state where the relative positions of subsystems do not vary over time, or where components and structures are at a constant velocity."
12:12 < kanzure> sounds like it
12:12 < kanzure> no moving parts
12:12 < genehacker> yeah
12:13 < kanzure> loads of various types (like a load on the dc motor)
12:13 < genehacker> you want to borrow my statics book?
12:13 < kanzure> no
12:13 < genehacker> all you need to know is sum of all forces = 0
12:14 < kanzure> heh
12:14 < genehacker> really thats all there is
12:15 < genehacker> for other stuff mass in= mass out
12:15 < genehacker> energy in = energy out
12:17 < genehacker> also a force*distance= work
12:17 < genehacker> which is energy
12:20 < kanzure> "    * Screw: A screw is essentially an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder. The run over the rise of this inclined plane is the mechanical advantage of a screw.[1]
12:20 < kanzure> heh never thought of it like that
12:21 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_(engineering)
12:21 < kanzure> guess that's only useful for calculating mechanical advantage 
12:23 < kanzure> why is this so hard to find? isn't this simple?
12:25 < kanzure> basically this is just mesh analysis (nodal analysis) and i need linear equations that represent the components.. but why is it so hard to find a list of linear equations for simple machines?
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12:35 < genehacker2> you need torque and rotation rate to determine power
12:35 < fenn> campbell always called the equations 'behavior' dunno if that helps
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12:37 < genehacker2> ok so what do you guys want anyway?
12:41 < genehacker2> what do you want to use the equations you are looking for for?
12:43 < genehacker2> do you want this
12:43 < genehacker2> for a wheel
12:46 < genehacker2> force out= torque*radius
12:50 < genehacker2> though force also depends on friction which is normal force times friction coefficient
13:03 < kanzure> i don't understand how people are supposed to learn this in class if it's impossible to find on the net
13:09 < kanzure> this doesn't look terrible: http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/springs/intro/intro.html#characteristic
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13:18 < kanzure> thread systems: whitworth, sellers, british standard pipe (BSP)
13:28 < fenn> god what kind of books are you reading? prehistoric pipe threads for dummies?
13:31 < kanzure> mathematical models of translational and rotational mechanical elements: http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/7291525?extension=pdf
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13:45 < kanzure> http://www.control-systems-principles.co.uk/ebooks/Introduction-to-Physical-System-Modelling.pdf
13:45 < kanzure> so far this book rocks :)
13:50 < kanzure> robert h bishop at ut austin has apparently written "the mechatronics handbook".. maybe that's worth looking into
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16:15 < ybit> 08:03 < katsmeow-afk> wierd! no rain scheduled for today!
16:15 < ybit> you sure about that 
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18:03 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, there is for tonite
18:04 < katsmeow-afk> oh, ybit has rain right now
18:05 < katsmeow-afk> no rain here atm, maybe not for acouplehrs
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18:27 < kanzure> other people have been struggling to render images with opencascade (without using X11 buffers) forever now too: http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_971/
18:27 < kanzure> i guess i'll use opencascade to convert a model to stl, then use an stl viewer that actually works (not sure which)
18:30 < kanzure> http://vis.lbl.gov/staff/jshalf/VTK/vtkOffScreen/
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19:19 < ybit> holy crap:
19:19 < ybit> then i found this:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multimachine/ The MultiMachine is an accurate all-purpose machine tool that can be used as a metal or wood lathe, end mill, horizontal mill, drill press, wood or metal saw or sander, surface grinder and sheet metal "spinner". It can be built by a semi-skilled mechanic using just common hand tools. For machine construction, electricity can be replaced with "elbow grease" and all the necessary material can 
19:19 < ybit> ty kanzure for forwarding that
19:20 < ybit> all from discarded vehicle parts, perfect :D
19:22  * ybit needs to find a spot to put the new car :)
19:23 < ybit> thinking i'll use garage at this other house if the bossman doesn't allow me to park it at one of the garages at work
19:33 < kanzure> multimachine is old news
19:33 < kanzure> i thought you knew about it?
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20:04 < genehacker2> WAAAAY old news
20:04 < genehacker2> I don't think anyone's built one either
20:05 < genehacker2> whats up with that website you posted on building solar stuff on the moon using HUMANS?
20:05 < genehacker2> the moonminer page
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20:06 < genehacker2> casting in air?
20:06 < genehacker2> they suggest casting in air on the moon
20:07 < genehacker2> which frankly makes no sense
20:07 < genehacker2> because vacuum casting is what you use to make great parts
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20:37 < kanzure> i heart blender -b -P
20:57 < kanzure> huh. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:Py/Scripts/Manual/Import/LDRAW
21:12 < ybit> nope, sure didn't know about it. i see a pic of it on the group's mailing list
21:13 < ybit> grr, real life called
21:14  * ybit doesn't understand center star alabama is such a bad place to set up shop.
21:16 < ybit> what would be missing exactly? huntsville is an hour away, bham, 2, nashville 2, atl is 4
21:16 < ybit> two airports (huntsville, muscle shoals) are 45 mins away and a smaller one just down the road
21:17 < ybit> down the road being ~.3miles
21:18 < ybit> it's defintely going to be 17 acres, the rest is being negotiated still, which could bring the lot up to 37acres. not bad for a little research center
21:18 < drazak> Fuck ELISAs
21:18 < ybit> plus electric transportation (got my car today)
21:19 < ybit> hi drazak 
21:19 < drazak> yo
21:20 < ybit> anywho, converting the car then a wrangler
21:22 < ybit> and huntsville isn't a bad place as strages_ can attest to
21:23 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummings_Research_Park <- the research park there
21:23 < ybit> "Cummings Research Park, located primarily in the city of Huntsville, Alabama is the second largest research park in the United States,[citation needed] and the fourth largest in the world."
21:23 < ybit> that inflatable, satellite? huntsville. (http://www.gatr.com/)
21:23 < ybit> -,
21:25 < ybit> not to mention nasa (and restone, i know genehacker2 doesn't care for this one)
21:26 < ybit> oh wait, it was the rocket genehacker2 didn't care for
21:26 < ybit> s/restone/redstone
21:28 < ybit> huh, there's a Lab-on-a-Chip Applications Development Lab at the Marshall Space Flight Center (nasa)
21:29 < ybit> sure nasa isn't very exciting, but the point is that there are interesting people and it's not too bad of a place, and a few benefits 
21:31 < ybit> plus there's the "The Advanced Technology Robotics Research and Development Complex" being built in decatur (again right down the road on the way to huntsville)
21:31 < ybit> http://robotics.tmcnet.com/topics/robotics/articles/30651-robotics-complex-rise-northern-alabama.htm
21:32 < ybit> and my spill for the area is for the time complete. so why not a small city (with a flippin cool name)? :)
21:34 < ybit> shorter and more concise article: http://smart-machines.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-alabama-robotics-research-and.html
22:00 < kanzure> rawr stl2pov didn't work >:(
22:00 < kanzure> grr. i need an stl renderer that does not require X11
22:00 < ybit> As I like=2 0to say,
22:00 < ybit> in the 19th Century, those who wanted the best life had to offer
22:00 < ybit> stayed in Boston and Baltimore (nothing particular against them except
22:00 < ybit> that they start with the same letter.) Those to whom it was more
22:00 < ybit> important to be able to start life over fresh, where you could get in
22:00 < ybit> on the ground floor and rise to the top, those ready to sacrifice in
22:00 < ybit> exchange for a life that was really worth living, well they were the
22:00 < ybit> ones whom moved west.
22:01 < ybit> """
22:01 < ybit> s/west/east to alabama :P
22:01  * ybit pleads once more. at least consider it as a last resort, i am.
22:02 < kanzure> are you trying to get me to move to alabama?
22:02 < kanzure> i think i need a few years on one of the coasts first
22:06 < ybit> this moon society mailing lists (& their ilrp) are right along the lines of my own thinking, thanks for linking kanzure
22:09 < kanzure> ybit: there are many others.. you should see artemis, l5, etc.
22:10 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/notes.html
22:10 < kanzure> those links are from 2006 so no guarantees
22:21  * ybit has posted on artemis once before, not sure what you mean by l5 though (luf?)
22:23 < ybit> i see
22:23 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L5_Society
22:58 < genehacker2> why are you advertising alabama ybit?
22:59 < ybit> because i get 50 centers per click through ;)
23:00 < ybit> cents, 'bout to pass out thanks to a certain sleeping pill
23:02 < ybit> i'm just trying to get as many of us like-minded individuals within close proximity 
23:03 < ybit> ask questions if have any, time for sleep
23:05 < genehacker2> you are reprimanded 5 triffids for indulging in sleep
23:38 < bkero> kanzure: Come to this coast.  It's better out here.
23:43 < bkero> My senior design project is a in interface for a 400-node cluster for the campus's Center for Genome Research and Biocomputing.
23:56 < genehacker2> kanzure did you ever figure the equations you needed?