--- Day changed Wed Oct 14 2009
00:10 < kanzure> ybit: i'll give you an invite the other day
00:10 < kanzure> genehacker2: not really
00:10 < kanzure> bkero: which coast are you on?
00:10 < kanzure> ybit: er, tomorrow. that's when i get one apparently
00:11 < bkero> kanzure: Left
00:12 < genehacker2> what do you need the equations for?
00:16 < kanzure> genehacker2: i'd tell you but you'd forget for the thousandth time
00:17 < genehacker2> ok
00:21 < genehacker2> the equations describing gears and levers are pretty obvious though
00:21 < genehacker2> and springs
00:21 < genehacker2> so for example if you had a spring element, do you need energy stored in deformation, force from deformation, or both?
00:29 < genehacker2> I guess you need these and distance
00:31 < kanzure> yes
00:32 < genehacker2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke%27s_law
00:34 < kanzure> yes i am aware of hooke's law
00:34 < genehacker2> that's what you would use
00:34 < genehacker2> is this what you are looking for?
00:35 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 1894fc5 /import_tools/ (5 files): stl2pov, pov2png, iges2stl, iges2png
00:35 < genehacker2> making skdb more like thingiverse?
00:36 < kanzure> no thingiverse is just trying to be like skdb
00:42 < kanzure> also thingiverse can't convert from iges to png :)
00:42 < genehacker2> heh
00:43 < genehacker2> also on the equation thing couldn't you get the software that campbell made?
00:45 < kanzure> yes but it doesn't work
00:45 < kanzure> also it's in lisp and impossibly hard to read/understand
00:46 < genehacker2> it doesn't work?
00:46 < genehacker2> what's the problem with it
00:47 < kanzure> an error that i don't know how to fix
00:48 < kanzure> actually i remember fixing the error
00:48 < kanzure> but it's not obvious what to do next
00:48 < kanzure> and campbell doesn't knwo either
00:48 < kanzure> *know
00:48 < genehacker2> I think I need to read campbells paper again
00:54 < genehacker2> can I get a link to it?
00:56 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/Matthew_I_Campbell_PhD_Dissertation.pdf
00:56 < kanzure> other papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/A-design%20-%20an%20angent-based%20approach%20to%20conceptual%20design%20in%20a%20dynamic%20environment.pdf
00:56 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/A-design%20-%20theory%20and%20implementation%20of%20an%20adaptive,%20agent-based%20method%20of%20conceptual%20design.pdf
00:56 < kanzure> other other papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/
00:57 < kanzure> oh i guess there's also: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/The%20A-Design%20approach%20to%20managing%20automated%20design%20synthesis.pdf
01:00 < genehacker2> I'm wondering how campbell's system handeled linkages
01:05 < genehacker2> looks like it didn't
01:12 < genehacker2> perhaps you were trying to find this?
01:13 < genehacker2> http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/echeeve1/Ref/LPSA/Analogs/ElectricalMechanicalAnalogs.html
02:27 < genehacker2> WTF
02:27 < genehacker2> it's possible to have gears that turn in the same direction as they mesh
02:28 < genehacker2> shit, this is going to give me nightmares until I figure out how the heck that's possible
02:28 < katsmeow-afk> one is inside the other
02:29 < genehacker2> no
02:29 < genehacker2> not this weird gear
02:29 < genehacker2> this special gear can even have one inside the other and turn the outer gear in the opposite direction
02:30 < katsmeow-afk> url?
02:30 < genehacker2> http://books.google.com/books?id=xcjM2xmxvBAC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=The+Kinematic+Geometry+of+Gearing&source=bl&ots=vOQ97SflJj&sig=njq76l7fa3k5YZoGZE1KzKP9Skk&hl=en&ei=OnzVSvKYDZCIswO2nJTQAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=involute&f=false
02:30 < genehacker2> see page 42
02:31 < genehacker2> I want to make some of them
02:33 < katsmeow-afk> 42 isn't gearing, it's escapement 
02:34 < genehacker2> did you goto page 42?
02:34 < katsmeow-afk> removing teeth from one or two gears for the purpose of allowing extra motion is common in clocks and few things
02:34 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, i am on 42 now
02:35 < katsmeow-afk> hmmm, *fig* 42 is different
02:35 < katsmeow-afk> err, 1.22
02:35 < katsmeow-afk> wtf
02:36 < genehacker2> yeah
02:36 < genehacker2> apparently it was discovered in russia
02:37 < katsmeow-afk> that's gonna be a high fricton device
02:37 < genehacker2> yeah
02:38 < genehacker2> dang they don't have much information on them either
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08:54 < ybit> kanzure: thanks, also if you get time today, would you mind helping the diy-h+ archive get started? if you don't have time, maybe just sending a drive to you is easier?
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09:52 < katsmeow-afk> ...
10:22 < kanzure> ybit: please send storage
10:23 < katsmeow-afk> he's at work atm
10:32 < genehacker> kanzure
10:32 < genehacker> gears can turn each other in the same direction
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10:51 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/occray/ "python library for generating realistic images from pythonOCC using Yafaray"
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11:06 < kanzure> i wish i knew about that /before/ i wrote iges2png
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11:53 < fenn> kanzure: you suck, sorry
11:53 < kanzure> no go away
11:54  * fenn finishes his book
11:54 < fenn> http://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocked_-_After_the_Siege.html   read it if you want
12:09 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-imagecad notes on figuring out how to take a pixmap from occ
12:29 < kanzure> http://www.geuz.org/gl2ps/ <-- gl2ps
12:30 < kanzure> what is this? it seems to have stuff like gl2psDivideQuad, etc.
12:30 < kanzure> i would expect gl2ps to just take an image
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12:51 < fenn> "I’m more interested in the theory of how to do something than actually doing it. I don’t really have time for reality any more."
12:53 < kanzure> nick taylor?
13:00 < fenn> reprap mendel is out.. looks good to me
13:05 < fenn> dunno how the hell they manage to spend $630 on it though
13:08 < fenn> 300 nuts 200 bolts and 700 washers?
13:22 < fenn> how come we never saw this? 
13:22 < fenn> “From the producers that brought you MYTHBUSTERS comes an explosive new series, WEAPONIZERS (3 x 60 min) premiering on Discovery Channel US, May 11, 2009 at 9pm.
13:23 < fenn> This new program combines creativity, military-like strategy and engineering as two teams of master builders — dubbed “Weaponizers” — turn ordinary vehicles into remote-controlled machines of destruction. With the pace and intensity of a video game, the vehicles are completed with live-ammunition machine guns and other seemingly ordinary objects that are transformed into powerful weapons.
13:23 < genehacker> never saw what?
13:23 < fenn> it's like battlebots that doesn't suck
13:23 < kanzure> i saw commercials for that
13:23 < fenn> i don't think i ever saw that show or any advertisements for it
13:24 < kanzure> iges2png output looks like this: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-tools/bearing.png
13:24 < kanzure> i was using bearing.iges provided with OCC 6.3.0
13:25 < genehacker> oh shit
13:25 < genehacker> that show
13:26 < genehacker> I never saw that either
13:39 < katsmeow-afk> is it a training film put out by anyone in the "middle east" ?
13:41 < fenn> those darn easterners
13:42 < katsmeow-afk> yep, inventive as the vietnamese
13:42 < katsmeow-afk> or the koreans
13:42 < katsmeow-afk> or,, hmm, otherpeople
13:44 < genehacker> try finding the videos on youtube
13:44 < katsmeow-afk> would that be like furiously waving a big red flag?
13:46 < fenn> they just need to spend more money on it
13:46 < fenn> then middle easterners wont be able to make use of the info
13:47 < fenn> or whoever
13:47 < fenn> blah
13:50 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, the usa once put out a "top secret" research paper, disinformation, on a corregated submarine hull
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13:50 < katsmeow-afk> sure it was amazingly strong crosswise, but it would have accordianed under pressure
13:51 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno anyone serious who's have built it, but doing so may have blown the right people's sub budget
13:53 < katsmeow-afk> making wireless mobile bombs is right up that alley: deploy them and anyone can trash the control freqs so they don't work,, but in the meantime someone left a paper trail buying the parts shown in the tv show, and blew gobs of cash doing it
13:53 < fenn> who said anything about wireless
13:53 < katsmeow-afk> <Collossus> There is another.
13:54 < fenn> you can do object recognition on a $100 PC
13:54 < katsmeow-afk> you going to make wired mobile tankbusters?
13:54 < fenn> why the colossus comment? (i saw the movie; i just dont get it)
13:54 < katsmeow-afk> oh, so it will be moving really slowly, inconspicuously, towards the target?
13:55 < katsmeow-afk> the paper trail led to the collusus comment
13:55 < fenn> driving a car isn't that hard if the goal is to blow some shit up
13:55 < katsmeow-afk> yea, but the bigger the miss, the bigger the bomb hasto be
13:56 < fenn> paper trail: some RC servos, a commodity PC, a webcam, some bombs
13:56 < fenn> now they already have the bombs
13:56 < katsmeow-afk> <bomb> is that a usa battle tank or the garage door to a shop?
13:56 < fenn> who cares, it's a warzone
13:56 < fenn> i imagine a tank would be easier to recognize than most things
13:56 < katsmeow-afk> big black object?
13:57 < katsmeow-afk> ok, other colors
13:58 < katsmeow-afk> with all the money bin Laden is purported to have, i can't figure why he's not deployed a single uav, it's not like they can see a small glider at 30kft dropping grenades
13:59 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno, not alot makes much sense about this whole war scenario unless you tune out the politicians
14:01 < katsmeow-afk> hire Korean electronics firms to protect usa bases, they've got track/fire robotics to hide in tree stumps,, 1000 people attack, there's 2 or 3 massive boombooms, and the entire force falls down dead
14:02 < katsmeow-afk> one bullet per attacker
14:02 < katsmeow-afk> but instead, the wrong people die
14:04  * katsmeow-afk hopes to be the proud owner of a Tektronixs DC503 soon
14:04 < katsmeow-afk> it will go ito the rack with the FG and DM
14:06 < fenn> are you talking about the samsung sentry gun?
14:06 < katsmeow-afk> most likely, yeas
14:06 < katsmeow-afk> as far as you know :-)
14:09 < fenn> for multiple targets the hedgehog things would work better than a machine gun
14:09 < fenn> forget what they are called IRL
14:10 < katsmeow-afk> hedghogs are sprayer, i was thinking synchronised targetted action
14:10 < fenn> electronically fired bullets stacked in a barrel
14:10 < katsmeow-afk> oh,, i know what you mean, i don't rememmeb the name either
14:10 < fenn> instead of slewing the gun all the way around, you slew so that one barrel aligns with the target, fire then slew another barrel to another target
14:11 < fenn> it's a parallel machine gun instead of a serial machine gun
14:11 < katsmeow-afk> it can fire another bullet instantly as the previous leaves the "barrel"
14:11 < fenn> right
14:12 < katsmeow-afk> ok, either way, just thinking if they are pricision units, the amount of airborn ordinance can be minimal
14:12 < fenn> yes i mean active targeting, not just a bomb that goes off
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> multiple units, synchonous fire, leaveslettle time of actors for return fire,, a sniping of the battlefield, so to speak
14:13 < fenn> can they shoot down bullets yet?
14:13 < katsmeow-afk> yeas
14:14 < fenn> i've seen the tank defense shape charge thingies
14:14 < katsmeow-afk> the israelies perportedly can take down bullets from 6 directions with active tank defences
14:15 < katsmeow-afk> they fire a bullet (or 50) to be in the way at about 6ft out from the tank
14:15 < katsmeow-afk> the point was taking out shaped charges coming at them, but it's supposedly much more accurate and fast enough for larger bullets as well
14:15 < fenn> ... and then it explodes, sending out a planar jet, right?
14:15 < fenn> so the bullet doesn't have to be aimed accurately, only timed accurately
14:15 < katsmeow-afk> notmuch info was released
14:16 < katsmeow-afk> right
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14:17 < katsmeow-afk> if you trash the shape of a shaped charge, it's less  of a threat to the passive armor, but it also took out 50cal gunfire, to a point,,, the tank could run out of defensive firepower
14:18 < fenn> of course now i have no idea what keywords to find this with
14:18 < katsmeow-afk> and of course, it was pretty dmaging to friendly forces standing about outside the tank
14:19 < fenn> yeah
14:19 < fenn> so is an incoming missile
14:19 < katsmeow-afk> yeas
14:20 < fenn> "active defense"
14:20 < katsmeow-afk> iirc, it was covertly modded to deal with approaching people as well, they supposedly dropped that plan because of public outrage
14:20 < fenn> http://defense-update.com/products/i/iron-fist.htm
14:20 < katsmeow-afk> "i dare you to go over and kick that car's tires"
14:21 < fenn> still, an RPG is not quite the same as a bullet
14:21  * katsmeow-afk waits on a broswer
14:22 < fenn> "The system has also been designed to counter tank fired (kinetic) threats."
14:22 < katsmeow-afk> it didn't track small bullets, or respond well to them, but then, i doubt they'd be much of a threat
14:22 < katsmeow-afk> ok, got a browser
14:23 < katsmeow-afk> "Ssystem" ?
14:23 < fenn> can you see videos?
14:23 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, but no sound
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> that url says 2 directions, my understanding was 6 max
14:25 < katsmeow-afk> possibly a variable based on speed, timing, size, velocity, etc
14:26 < katsmeow-afk> defending against bullets is prolly not a good idea, it was only said it could target them
14:27 < katsmeow-afk> one belt on a machine gun would consume all the defenses the tank would carry, i imagine, simple wearing it out thru attrition
14:28 < katsmeow-afk> shoot bullets for a minute, then hit it with the rpg
14:29 < fenn> hmm i think ironfist isn't what i was remembering
14:29 < katsmeow-afk> still it was said it could stop them, at least as fast as reloading could happen
14:29 < katsmeow-afk> you wer thnking of that flashfire stop-sign-shaped shotgun thing
14:30 < katsmeow-afk> it wasn't said to be able to stop bullets tho, only fire the entire "magazine" in a split sec
14:30 < katsmeow-afk> 25,000 per minute, but then it didn't carry 25,000 bullets either
14:31 < katsmeow-afk> the video showed it fire all at once, as fast as humans could see it was a short roar and the plate was instantly surrounded by somke
14:32 < katsmeow-afk> smoke
14:32  * kanzure pokes Aspect_PixMap
14:32 < katsmeow-afk> i'd suspect that much recoil would make for bad aiming
14:35 < katsmeow-afk> bbl
14:35 < fenn> now this is just a cool video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0Hr1RrV-8
15:20 < kanzure> what does this do?
15:20 < kanzure> short hi = static_cast<short>(window_handle >> 16);
15:20 < kanzure> short lo = static_cast<short>(window_handle);
15:20 < kanzure> i forget my bitshifting (>>) knowwhathow
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15:27 < fenn> low is the 16 LSB
15:27 < fenn> hi is the MSB
15:28 < fenn> >> 16 moves the bits to the right
15:28 < fenn> <short> chops it off at 16 from the right side, i guess
15:30 < katsmeow-afk> and your humor for the day: Microsoft Corp. issued a record number of security patches for its software Tuesday as part of its regular monthly update.
15:30 < katsmeow-afk> The software maker plugged 34 holes and designated most of them "critical," Microsoft's most severe rating. Among them are fixes for Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and even Windows 7, which doesn't go on sale to consumers until Oct. 22
15:32 < fenn> egad.. "advanced light-water reactor designs, costs about $1,500 per kilowatt electric"
15:32 < katsmeow-afk> how long does it run?
15:32 < fenn> probably 25 years or so
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15:32 < fenn> still seems unreasonably expensive to me
15:33 < fenn> "A widely discussed cost goal for new (Generation III and IV) nuclear plant projects is $1,000 per kWe. Achievement of this aim would make them competitive (on a unit-cost basis) with the most economical alternative, the combined-cycle natural gas plant."
15:33 < katsmeow-afk> it is, it's $0.00685 kwh over 25 yrs
15:34 < fenn> there are operating costs too, in addition to construction costs
15:34 < katsmeow-afk> the natural gas plant isn't including fuel, i bectcha
15:34 < fenn> also much of the cost of electricity is in getting it to your door
15:34  * katsmeow-afk nods
15:34 < fenn> neither is the nuclear plant
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15:34 < katsmeow-afk> and the intentional heating of the power lines in summer to keep the ice from weighing them down
15:34 < fenn> unless it's a breeder reactor (there arent many of them)
15:35 < fenn> i how does that work?
15:35 < katsmeow-afk> huh?
15:35 < fenn> intentional heating
15:36 < katsmeow-afk> oh, deliberate undersizing the lines, it doesn't help a damn in summer, tho it's been known to sag the wires and set trees on fire
15:36 < fenn> um. ok
15:36 < fenn> i figured that was to save on copper costs
15:37 < fenn> but they use aluminum right
15:37 < fenn> anyway sounds like a terrible idea
15:37 < katsmeow-afk> when it 80% or more is wasted on a line from Oregon to So Cal, copper costs vs fuel arguement doesn't work
15:38 < ybit> anyone ever see this?
15:38 < ybit> http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/
15:39 < ybit> 'principia cybernetica'
15:39 < katsmeow-afk> i have, looks different now tho
15:39 < bkero> Heh
15:40 < ybit> it was mentioned in one of the podcasts i listened to today
15:40 < fenn> looks like bullshit philosophy. am I wrong?
15:41 < ybit> ..by nova spivack, from his 2008 sing. summit speech
15:41 < ybit> ..on collective intel.
15:41 < ybit> fenn: don't know, just got there, haven't read it all yet
15:42 < katsmeow-afk> i thought , yrs ago,it was the ravings of a newbie
15:42 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno now, will look tonite
15:43  * katsmeow-afk goes back outside to make more roof
15:46 < fenn> ok they have some awareness of modern science, but WHY
15:47 < fenn> heh "hypercard.acgi"
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15:56 < ybit> yay for google wave, booh that there's nothing to do with it
16:00 < fenn> "In 2006 scientists at Columbia University asserted that up to one fifth of all schizophrenia cases are caused by prenatal infections."
16:00 < fenn> influenza, in particular
16:05 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-imagecad
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16:11 < fenn> kanzure: http://pastebin.ca/1620568
16:11 < fenn> i dunno wtf you did to your computer
16:12 < kanzure> http://pastebin.com/f659d1010
16:16 < fenn> i wish laptops just had regular computer hardware in them
16:17 < drazak> you guys are war mongers
16:18 < fenn> drazak read "after the siege"
16:18 < fenn> the point is that witholding patented drugs is as bad as war
16:19 < fenn> or something like that
16:20 < drazak> I meant all the stuff about tanks and whatever
16:20 < fenn> well sorry for discussing "forbidden subjects"
16:21 < fenn> please go stick your head back in the sand
16:22 < drazak> didn't say it was forbidden
16:22 < drazak> just said that you guys are war mongers
16:23 < fenn> if people routinely comment in a negative way on the fact that you are talking about a particular subject, it might as well be forbidden
16:23 < fenn> in the anarchy that is IRC, social norms are all that we have
16:37 < drazak> I dunno about that
16:38 < drazak> war monger isn't negative
16:38 < drazak> it's just an observation
16:39 < fenn> warmongering - a policy of advocating war
16:40 < fenn> was i advocating war?
16:40 < drazak> I wasn't talking necessarily about you
16:40 < drazak> but they were talking about machines used in war
16:40 < drazak> and how they could be improved
16:40 < drazak> thus continuing the cycle of war and peace
16:41 < fenn> there is no cycle of war and peace.. we've been at war since 1770
16:41 < fenn> anyway, i like to know how technology works
16:41 < fenn> a good lot of technology is only found in weapons
16:42 < fenn> i'd rather it weren't so
16:44 < drazak> well then that's different, I apologize for calling you a warmonger
16:46 < fenn> drazak: do you really think improved weapons are what continues war?
16:47 < fenn> sure, they increase overall spending, but that's not really what matters, is it
16:49 < drazak> lemme see if I still have this thing that I kinda wrote one day
16:50 < drazak> about weapons and their ability to make war less personal and more destructive because they make it less of a moral decision
16:50 < drazak> and crap like that
16:52 < fenn> i'm not sure that's always true
16:52 < fenn> recent improvements in remotely piloted vehicles can get you right up in the other guy's face
16:53 < drazak> well
16:53 < fenn> and even primitive tribes have serious social obligations, making it less of a decision (distributing blame)
16:53 < drazak> this was like a year ago
16:53 < drazak> before I was in the know on a lot of things
16:53 < drazak> it's rather rambly, if I can dig it up
16:55 < fenn> i remember watching a clip from iraq with a kid driving a car full of explosives at a checkpoint.. they blew up the front of the car with a bradley's main cannon but he was still alive
16:55 < fenn> so they went to check it out with a robot.. he's trapped in the wreckage, praying, banging his head on the steering wheel because he fucked up.. they hit him with the cannon again
16:56 < fenn> this time there's nothing left
16:56 < fenn> tell me that's not personal
16:57 < fenn> he was probably 16 or 17
17:05 < fenn> kanzure: gillez tran, oyonale.com
17:05 < fenn> gilles*
17:06 < fenn> he doesn't really use pov-ray anymore, i've noticed
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17:11 < genehacker> covert submarines? now we aren't talking about going captain nemo now are we?
17:12 < genehacker> tankbusters?
17:13 < genehacker> everyone knows the easiest way to cripple an abrams tank is to hit the tank treads with a REDACTED
17:19 < genehacker> http://imgur.com/MTzja.jpg
17:19 < genehacker> how it's done in africa
17:28 < fenn> genehacker: where's the oil-soaked cloth insulation? it's not afrighetto enough!
17:29 < genehacker> it's effective
17:29 < fenn> i built one of those and could never get it to work
17:29 < genehacker> it's a welder built from nothing, which I find amazing.
17:30 < fenn> the electrode would weld itself to the workpiece and heat up all along its length
17:30 < fenn> maybe i just suck at stick welding
17:30 < fenn> do you know how they made the laminations?
17:31 < genehacker> no
17:31 < genehacker> I found this on the internet
17:32 < fenn> i would at least add a handle to pick it up
17:32 < genehacker> I
17:32 < genehacker> 'd add something ferromagnetic for the transformer core
17:33 < fenn> the laminations are made of sheetmetal
17:33 < genehacker> oh
17:33 < fenn> they are wrapped in paper to prevent eddy currents
17:34 < genehacker> I failed to notice that
17:34 < fenn> (i think)
17:34 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qIE0EVZSQg
17:35 < fenn> no, no paper, now that i look at it
17:35 < fenn> looks like a pencil sharpener
17:37 < genehacker> it's paradoxical gear
17:38 < fenn> i guess
17:38 < fenn> isn't it just a geneva mechanism wrapped around a helix?
17:39 < fenn> does it actually transmit torque?
17:39 < genehacker> yes I think so
17:39 < genehacker> http://imgur.com/k2X0x
17:39 < genehacker> it makes this make sense
17:39 < fenn> they show the two gears being separated, meaning they're driven individually from outside
18:25 < drazak> woohoo pcr machine stopped beeping
18:38 < ybit> grr "The Social Engineering Knowledge Database (SKDB) fosters a distributed network of software, people, " :P
18:39 < bkero> Oooo
18:39 < bkero> Sounds important
18:40 < ybit> "See http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/eventinfo/bpcs09/ for information about the IEET’s Biopolitics of Popular Culture Seminar, to be held Friday December 4 2009 in the same venue."
18:40 < ybit> no thanks i'm good
18:41 < bkero> I see Bryan Bishop was wayy too grizzly to put up there. :)
18:42 < kanzure> where?
18:44 < bkero> I guess that's a difference conference.
18:46 < kanzure> i tend to ignore ieet
18:46 < ybit> where are you ladies and gents staying at for the h+ summit? /me is figuring out details atm and calling ahead/purchasing stuff
18:47 < ybit> btw, the hdd will be shipped tomorrow kanzure, post office was closed
18:48 < kanzure> ybit: my mom's boyfriend is a travel agent and can get you some good deals if you'd like
18:48 < ybit> those still exist? o.O
18:48 < kanzure> haven't looked around yet but was figuring i'd just crash someone's house
18:48 < kanzure> apparently
18:48 < kanzure> it's.. convoluted.
18:49 < ybit> well it couldn't hurt to ask him, i was looking at kayak.com for tickets and couchsurfing for a roof
18:49 < ybit> so if you want to ask him, go right ahead, maybe he can get me a decent deal.
18:51 < kanzure> ok
18:51 < kanzure> i figure there must be one or two people we know in LA who would be willing to house us
18:51 < kanzure> er, couch us
18:51 < kanzure> house is optional :)
18:54 < bkero> I know some folks in SLO and SD.  Nobody in LA. :(
18:54 < bkero> You could also stay at a hotel.  That's nice and cheap.
18:54  * ybit would love to visit s.f. while i'm out that way, i've always wanted to live there, because of the 66F weather throughout the year
18:55 < kanzure> wtf is it too much to ask for a listing of my friends on facebook by geographic location? jeebus
18:55 < ybit> it was boston until i decided that 66 was the perfect temperature for me, then i decided on a coruna and now i just don't give fsck
18:55 < ybit> jeebus is fun to say btw
18:56 < kanzure> yes it is
18:56 < ybit> there's a cali channel on freenode, i'm going to go bother some people there
18:57 < ybit> #ubuntu-california
18:58 < kanzure> huh i have no friends in la :(
18:59 < genehacker> you could make some
18:59 < ybit> that's because no one there can _read_ 
18:59 < ybit> (kidding)
19:00 < drazak> I have friends all over LA
19:01 < genehacker> you should pay a vist to tyrell corporation and see what they're doing with H+
19:02 < drazak> tyrell
19:02 < drazak> lol
19:02 < drazak> do androids dream of electric sheep much?
19:02 < genehacker> androids?
19:03 < genehacker> tyrell corporation doesn't make androids 
19:03 < genehacker> they make replicants
19:04 < drazak> the original book was entitled do androids dream of electric sheep
19:04 < drazak> :)
19:05 < genehacker> anyone know if stem cells differ on a subcellular level from other types of cells?
19:05 < drazak> yes
19:05 < drazak> they do
19:05 < drazak> but what kind of stem cell specifically?
19:05 < drazak> (all cells are different subcellularly :P)
19:05 < genehacker> embryonic
19:06 < genehacker> do embryonic stem cells have organelles that other cells don't have?
19:06 < drazak> ESC's have some different proteins they express, some they don't express, different TF's, probably different ammounts of different tRNAs than other cells
19:07 < drazak> not really different organelles
19:07 < drazak> they have a couple different membrane proteins
19:07 < genehacker> ok friend was wondering
19:08 < drazak> not that I know of anyway
19:08 < kanzure> when you use mesa in sw mode, what does it do with $DISPLAY?
19:09 < drazak> nfc
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19:15 < kanzure> hello Goose|Laptop 
19:15 < Goose|Laptop> hello kanzure!
19:16 < kanzure> what's up?
19:16 < Goose|Laptop> in child development, taking notes on mostly common sense stuff :P
19:16 < Goose|Laptop> and you?
19:17 < kanzure> tracking down Graphic3d_GraphicDevice::Graphic3d_GraphicDevice in opencascade
19:17 < Goose|Laptop> :D oh nice
19:17 < Goose|Laptop> are you writing a CAD program?
19:18 < kanzure> something like that yes
19:18 < kanzure> opencascade is the CAD kernel
19:18 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
19:20 < Goose|Laptop> ahh, very cool :D
19:22 < Goose|Laptop> that's a brilliant idea
19:24 < kanzure> so, how'd you find us?
19:24 < Goose|Laptop> I'm a highschool friend of genehacker
19:24 < genehacker> does your reprap work yet?
19:24 < Goose|Laptop> :P not yet
19:25 < Goose|Laptop> mechanically complete
19:25 < Goose|Laptop> but I'm having firmware trouble involving the endstops 
19:25 < Goose|Laptop> can't get the firmware to invert them
19:25 < Goose|Laptop> I'm going to upgrade to the latest electronics around Christmas
19:31 < Goose|Laptop> Found a small test program to move all the axes until they hit the endstops...discovered that everything works, minus inverting the endstops
19:32 < genehacker> reverse the polarity
19:33 < genehacker> huh? there appears to be an angry mob holding torches outside my dorm...
19:33 < Goose|Laptop> oh cool :D
19:33 < Goose|Laptop> yeah, I tried that too
19:33 < Goose|Laptop> no dice
19:33 < Goose|Laptop> I should try it again though
19:33 < Goose|Laptop> I might have messed the pinout up
19:37 < ybit> l.a. is supposedly an hour away from irvine, so maybe l.a. isn't the best location
19:37 < ybit> ..to rest
19:44 < ybit> 18:58 < kanzure> huh i have no friends in la :(
19:44 < ybit> alex lightman is in irvine i believe
19:56  * ybit has 11 friends in l.a. according to facebook and i actually know one of them, we were good pals growing up. actually know another guy, but don't feel like name-calling atm
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22:02 < ybit> who is jeremiah petit?
22:03 < ybit> Jeremiah Petit
22:03 < ybit> Going to the H+ summit? If we get enough people we could just get a hotel room for a few days and split the cost to make it nice and simple.
22:04 < ybit> that's his comment on my facebook status message requesting someone to stay with in Irvine
22:04 < ybit> he has a point, fenn, kanzure, that's 4 of use attending and the recommended hotel is $90/night
22:05 < ybit> s/use/us
22:13 < ybit> arxiv.org/abs/0910.2159: An Electromagnetic Black Hole Made of
22:13 < ybit> Metamaterials
22:14 < ybit> holy fscking bejeebus, i laughed in excitement like a classical mad scientist when i read that
22:16 < ybit> notice also these chinese students aren't in american uni
22:17 < ybit> o noes! work done by a chinese in another country, also notice it's in english too :)
22:35 < ybit> i almost feel bad for purchasing an freerunner after seeing the n900 in action
22:35 < ybit> and looking at its hardware specs
22:36 < ybit> but then i saw the price and realized the freerunner is amazing again :)
22:43 < ybit> tweet tweet tweet to sleep
23:06 < bkero> Irvine is kind of a long way to go for me :/