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09:28 < kanzure> http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.2899 bacteria ratchet motor
09:35 < kardan|> ybit kanzure we would like to get feedback for https://oshw.0xb5.org/ (there has no process since last year, but it will start soon)
09:42 < kanzure> it looks like there's nothing there
09:42 < kanzure> why not use skdb as the backend? we already have packages that list out dependencies and everything
09:45 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/octopart-api
09:47 < kanzure> rauchwerk says octopart came out with a new api recently
09:47 < kanzure> not sure what they've added though
09:49 < kardan|> ok, will check that out later
09:50 < kanzure> don't bother
09:50 < kanzure> just mentioning it for the others in the channel
09:50 < kanzure> i do think though that you're reinventing the wheel.. could you check out web.py in skdb and see what you think?
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10:20 < kanzure> hello Phreedom 
10:20 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
10:28 < Phreedom> :)
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11:01 < kanzure> http://www.thistothat.com/ "glue advice"
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12:28 < kanzure> while i was disconnected i went through my "8bit music collection" and extracted some of the not-sucky tracks: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/music/8bit
12:29 < kanzure> anamanaguchi was odd
12:49 < Trooem> hahaha i gotta take a look at your archive man. i'll send over that few TB hdd when i get back to Canada.
12:50 < Trooem> i'll keep them files in my pc, learn from your archive if i can understand it.....
12:50 < kanzure> :)
12:50 < kanzure> ybit sent me an hdd and i have it sitting here at the moment
12:50 < kanzure> i need to dump some content
12:52 < Trooem> great i want to see everything - up to date on - technology involving longevity, transhumanism, etc. wonder how far we got so far...
12:52 < Trooem> :))))))))))))))))))))
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14:48 < kanzure> wtf i think solidworks is pgp encrypting the portion of their .sldprt files that contains the actual CAD data
14:48 < kanzure> (`file` claims it's pgp at least)
14:52 < kanzure> not sure what this is:
14:52 < kanzure> display_lists.zip: VAX-order 68k Blit mpx/mux executable
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15:13 < ybit> kardan|: who is we?
15:15 < kardan|> hi, a group in berlin doing mostly open webdevelopment (crabgrass) and self organized project management (redmine), funding, foodcoop networking, self organized lerning / skill networks (tsolife.org)
15:16 < ybit> kanzure: where's fenn? you didn't shove him out of the vehicle while driving to the new crib... did you?
15:17 < ybit> "organized project management (redmine)" what's with you europeans and eurasians liking ruby/redmine ;) Phreedom wanted to use that for freefab (http://freefab.org)
15:17 < kardan|> Octopart is a search engine for electronic parts. <= is that what you are using?
15:18 < katsmeow-afk> octo sucks
15:18 < kardan|> programmed perl and php before rails and its a lot more convenient
15:18 < Phreedom> ybit: maybe because it's good? :P
15:19 < kardan|> freefab is down
15:19 < Phreedom> yeah I know :)
15:19 < Phreedom> until tomorrow
15:19 < kardan|> fine then
15:20 < kardan|> did you get any news about the wave hype?
15:20 < ybit> eh?
15:20 < Phreedom> either way it's not a public site yet
15:20 < Phreedom> kardan|: we'll care about it when it's available ;)
15:20 < ybit> it's mostly Phreedom posting random pictures of progress
15:20 < kardan|> everybody wants a account and test the new revolutionizing concept of combining mail and gobby bla bla
15:20 < ybit> atm
15:21 < Phreedom> it's mostly me testing my website setup :)
15:21 < ybit> kardan|: i wasn't too impressed with it
15:21  * ybit has an account
15:22 < Phreedom> kardan|: actually a number of software projects(eg inkscape) tried using xmpp for collaborative editing before
15:22 < ybit> kanzure has an account as well, but he never responds to my 'waves' ;)
15:22 < kardan|> we had a wave meeting berlin these days.
15:22 < kardan|> and wrote an implementation for rails to access waves
15:23 < kardan|> deep alpha, just two days of work
15:23 < kardan|> katsmeow-afk: is the any alternative and why dont you like it?
15:27 < ybit> looks like i'll be volunteering at the h+ convention
15:28 < katsmeow-afk> kardan, it seems to find the most expensive parts, it solicits retailers to advertise their stock as search results
15:28 < ybit> that saved me a little money, thanks kanzure for bring that to my attention
15:33 < kanzure> ybit: fenn is on vacation
15:35  * katsmeow-afk is still waiting on that plutonium
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15:58 < ybit> kanzure: if you and fenn, decide to go the hotel route, the preferred hotel only costs $64 per night, split between 4 of us, ~$17/night
15:58 < ybit> comma splicing ftw
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16:08 < kanzure> ybit: how many people?
16:08 < kanzure> nevermind. yeah, we're game for that
16:09 < kanzure> please send information
16:20 < ybit> waiting to hear back from alex on details
16:32 < ybit> "Here's the hotel: Candlewood Suites Irvine East, tel 949-598-9105, 3 S
16:32 < ybit> Pointe Dr, Lake Forest, CA 92630. The deal is through hotels.com only and is
16:32 < ybit> non-refundable."
16:33 < drazak> I have to go to a funeral tomorrow
16:34 < ybit> drazak: who died?
16:35 < drazak> friend of mine, suicide
16:38 < ybit> eek, sorry to hear that, i've been through the same situation, i know how hard it can be
16:38 < drazak> I mean
16:38 < drazak> I wasn't best friends with him
16:38 < drazak> but we hung out and stuff
16:39 < ybit> gotcha
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16:40 < ybit> so it's $67, not $64, and all you have to do is go to hotels.com, enter the day, look for the hotel and you'll see the price. i was thinking of reserving it to check in on the fourth, and check-out on the sixth, because i was planning on getting there one day early to go exploring
16:41 < drazak> what can I do that's tasteful for him, he was a marxist
16:41 < ybit> ..and i can pay for the one extra day if no one else plans on coming that day
16:41 < ybit> drazak: continue living is one thing
16:41 < drazak> well yeah
16:42 < ybit> kanzure ^
16:43 < kanzure> ybit: i don't know when i need to show up.
16:43 < kanzure> they haven't told me much
16:45 < ybit> drazak: i really don't know what to tell you, when my girlfriend died two years ago (not the suicidal friend), we partied so hard that we wouldn't have to think about it, and some wrote songs for her, others liked to just talk about her
16:46 < drazak> yeah
16:47 < drazak> I dunno
16:47 < drazak> theres going to be poetry
16:47 < drazak> I'm sure
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17:40 < kanzure> i need a script that watches a file and makes backups each time it is changed with some pre-set interval
17:40 < kanzure> is tail -f appropriate?
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17:50 < genehacker> what happened to fenn?
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18:22 < ybit> genehacker: he died tragically on the way to his new apartment
18:22 < ybit> he's, as they say, on vacation
18:23 < ybit> (he really is on vacation, not the deathly kind)
18:24 < kanzure> there never was a fenn
18:26 < genehacker> ok
18:26 < genehacker> he's in meatspace then
18:27 < ybit> yeah
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19:55 < kanzure> good for a laugh: http://ticpu.net:8080/~jerome/thepiratebay.org/
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20:19 < genehacker> heh
20:19 < genehacker> makes me wonder about what would happen if we implemented a quantum internet
20:19 < genehacker> a quantum internet means it's physically impossible for internet data to not be private
20:24 < genehacker> though it could make quantum drm possible...
20:25 < genehacker> which would be bad
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21:22 < genehacker> anyone here know anything about floppy disks?
21:23 < genehacker> I've recently stumbled upon some obsolete storage media with possibly valuable data
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21:45 < Noahj> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=<filename> 
21:45 < Noahj> And then mount -o loopfs the image or poke about with forensic tools or what have you
21:46 < genehacker> I'll think I'll just copy the data
21:46 < genehacker> the data might be a book on gears possibly stored in some obsolete file format
21:50 < ybit> genehacker: dd is copying
21:51 < ybit> and if you suspect the data is corrupt, you would use something like dd_rescue or dd_rhelp
22:10 < kanzure> does anyone have a windows xp key?
22:19 < ybit> i know someone who does, but it would take days to get it. there's bound to be one online somewhere
22:19 < ybit> ask in #windows
22:20 < ybit> #
22:20 < ybit>   File "paths.py", line 179, in get_brick
22:20 < ybit> #
22:20 < ybit>     brick = deepcopy(lego.parts[random.randint(0,len(lego.parts)-1)])
22:20 < ybit> #
22:20 < ybit> AttributeError: 'Package' object has no attribute 'parts'
22:20 < ybit> was that the last error, did you get any further kanzure?
22:22 < genehacker> yes
22:22 < genehacker> somewhere I think
22:23 < genehacker> but I want to keep xp
22:23 < genehacker> is that for a winblows system
22:25 < genehacker> the computers in the library have winblows
22:44  * ybit wonders what DFBrowser in occ is anyway
22:44 < ybit> "This is normal, this DFBrowser think comes in upstream tarball as
22:44 < ybit> binary only for x86 and is not included in the Debian package, AFAICT
22:44 < ybit> it is unused anyway. "
22:55 < ybit> http://step.nasa.gov/pde2009/presentations.html
22:57 < ybit> list of presentation abstracts from the nasa product data exchange workshop
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23:08 < ybit> oi strages 
23:09 < ybit> kanzure: i don't see how you and fenn have been able to get as far as you have with occ/pythonocc
23:15 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, whacha know of power transformers?
23:17 < ybit> not much, most transformers i've messed with weren't built to be opened 
23:18 < katsmeow-afk> err,, ok,, i didn't open these
23:18 < ybit> what's the question?
23:18 < katsmeow-afk> i mean "use of", "characteristics of", etc
23:18 < katsmeow-afk> http://designerthinking.com/transformers.html
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> those are pics of the secondary when driven by 120vac 60hz powerco sinewaves
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> unloaded, and 1/2 amp load
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> 20v/div both pics
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> how do i fix that?
23:19  * ybit wonders why DRAWEXE's display goes blank when i move the window around :-\ luckily pythonocc's interactiveviewer is still working a-okay
23:19 < katsmeow-afk> i don't require a sine wave, but those look really sick
23:21 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: you really know how to make a guy feel useless ;)
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> lol
23:22 < ybit> have you asked in ##electronics
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> heck no
23:22 < ybit> heh, why not?
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> i always ask transformer questions in biology rooms first
23:22 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno, i thought *you*'d know
23:22 < ybit> hehe
23:23 < genehacker> this isn't a biology room
23:23 < katsmeow-afk> fenn may, ifhe weren't asleep
23:23 < genehacker> that'd be diybio
23:23 < katsmeow-afk> oops
23:23 < genehacker> he's on vacation
23:23 < genehacker> supposedly
23:23 < katsmeow-afk> i saw
23:23 < ybit> dead
23:23 < ybit> until proven otherwise
23:23 < ybit> speaking of fenn, kanzure did you recieve the second package today?
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23:24 < genehacker> geez you sure send kanzure a lot of stuff
23:24 < ybit> katsmeow: tetracomm and speedevil might know in ##electronics
23:24 < ybit> genehacker: just two packages
23:25 < genehacker> you know according to drazak it's possible to mail genes via the postal system in letters?
23:26 < genehacker> also I need to download stryers from kanzure
23:26 < genehacker> apparently it's a good book to read to know stuff
23:26 < katsmeow> ybit, asking there now
23:28 < katsmeow> i'm being igorated
23:28 < katsmeow> ignorated
23:29 < ybit> wait until the morning or afternoon when you see one of the two guys mentioned above, they know their electronics better than anyone i've met online
23:30 < katsmeow> well, this is a magnetics problem, really
23:31 < ybit> was using the word electronics as kind of a generic catch-all term
23:31 < genehacker> electrical engineers study magnetic fields
23:31 < genehacker> hmm...
23:31 < genehacker> need to ask fenn about magnetic amplifiers
23:33 < katsmeow> i have a suspicion these may have been woundup for 400hz
23:33 < katsmeow> they are oscillating at higher than 60hz
23:34 < katsmeow> i have a FG503 in the mail right now to me, so i can sweep them and maybe tell more
23:36 < katsmeow> tetracomm quit w/o saying anything
23:38 < katsmeow> i think no one can hear me in there
23:40 < ybit> 23:29 < ybit> wait until the morning or afternoon when you see one of the two guys mentioned above,
23:40 < katsmeow> [23:40] <katsmeow> i think no one can hear me in there
23:40  * ybit is off to read and then sleep
23:43 < ybit> katsmeow: i'll think about it some tomorrow when i'm sitting at work doing something repetitive and jamming to electronic trance
23:44 < katsmeow> k