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00:05  * ybit would like to know where a cad file is for a baseplate
00:10 < fenn> depending what you call a cad file... there are several on lugnet
00:10 < fenn> there is also a step model for something like 8x12 flat brick
00:12 < fenn> brick_thin.stp maybe
00:12 < fenn> it would be nice if we had a website with previews of cad files
00:13 < kanzure> ooh, advanced. they actually deny the processing of orders that have already occured! genius
00:13 < fenn> why did they deny it?
00:14 < kanzure> fenn: btw that wasn't samrose this morning. sam putnam != sam rose
00:15 < fenn> ah, thanks
00:15 < fenn> sam putnam is the makerbeam guy?
00:15 < fenn> yes
00:16 < genehacker> the makerbeam guy was here
00:16 < kanzure> fenn: i've been doing stuff with cherrypy, if you haven't noticed
00:16 < kanzure> i'm still getting confused about __getattr__ and some recursive issues
00:17 < fenn> if all this effort is so it can say part/edit instead of edit/part then you're wasting your time
00:17 < kanzure> er wait maybe it's working
00:18 < kanzure> i fixed it today and then got sidetracked on ISO
00:18 < kanzure> but the unit tests seem to be working
00:18 < kanzure> no, this isn't for part/edit
00:18 < fenn> all the info you need is in machinery's handbook, fwiw
00:18 < fenn> ISO is only useful for STEP documents (IMHO)
00:18 < kanzure> ISO seems to have lots of interesting tidbits, and i get randomly obsessed with bad websites every once in a while
00:18 < ybit> btw, lugnet wants money to actually post anything
00:18 < kanzure> anyway
00:19 < fenn> ybit: huh?
00:19 < kanzure> ybit: if you want to do something, why not use my upload.php script and pipe the details to iges2png for me
00:19 < kanzure> or figure out how stl2web works (it probably doesn't)
00:19 < ybit> oic lugnet.announce.moc 
00:20 < ybit> that's probably not the oly newsgroup
00:20 < fenn> http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/
00:21 < fenn> i dunno how you add things but it seems pretty noncommercial
00:21 < fenn> at least compared to peeron.com
00:21 < ybit> aha
00:21 < fenn> which is also rather noncommercial fwiw
00:21 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 15a4d86 / (core/package.py web/web.py): web.py unit tests began to pass while i looked away for a few seconds
00:21 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 38590c8 /core/package.py: clean up old skdb.PackageSet code (removed)
00:21 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r bce6b50 /packages/screw/screw.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb
00:22 < ybit> kanzure: where is this upload.php script?
00:22 < kanzure> it's really stupid and should be ignored
00:22 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/upload-script/
00:22 < genehacker> argh....
00:23 < kanzure> this was me spending 20 minutes doing it "the wrong way"
00:23 < genehacker> I think I found an error in a paper or I'm doign something wrong
00:23 < kanzure> so it should probably be avoided
00:23 < ybit> http://counter.reprap.org/stl2web/viewer.php
00:23 < kanzure> i have an Uploader class in web.py that replaces it
00:23 < kanzure> ybit: there's a .tar.gz in the parent dir
00:23 < kanzure> for stl2web
00:24 < kanzure> out of curiosity, how many of us can run web.py in its current form? it works for me
00:24 < kanzure> just run python web.py
00:25 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 6402f3e /core/skdb.py: er, skdb.PackageSet is no more
00:25 < kanzure> ok now it works :p
00:25 < ybit> ImportError: No module named PackageIndex
00:26 < kanzure> did you run cheetah compile in the templates directory?
00:26 < ybit> oh right
00:26 < kanzure> i thought you did that already?
00:26 < ybit> cheetah-compile 
00:26 < ybit> get it right ;)
00:26 < kanzure> "cheetah compile" works just fine over here
00:26 < ybit> same here, but i also have cheetah-compile
00:27 < kanzure> so does it run?
00:27 < ybit> looks good so far
00:27 < ybit> oooh, so close
00:28 < kanzure> i wonder what happens if you .gitignore .gitignore
00:28 < ybit> check out http://ybit.ath.cx/misco_docs/crappers.txt
00:29 < fenn> it doesn't commit changes to .gitignore
00:29 < kanzure> 404
00:29 < ybit> oh, well that doesn't tell you anything (crappers.txt)
00:29 < ybit> oh, misc_docs
00:29 < kanzure> looks like it works to me
00:29 < ybit> anyway, here's the last lines..
00:30 < ybit> b7f05000-b7f20000 r-xp 00000000 03:01 2330212    /lib/ld-2.10.1.so
00:30 < ybit> b7f20000-b7f21000 r-xp 0001a000 03:01 2330212    /lib/ld-2.10.1.so
00:30 < ybit> b7f21000-b7f22000 rwxp 0001b000 03:01 2330212    /lib/ld-2.10.1.so
00:30 < ybit> bf7fb000-bf821000 rwxp bffd9000 00:00 0          [stack]
00:30 < kanzure> "Ran 4 tests in 15.865s
00:30 < ybit> bf821000-bf822000 rw-p bffff000 00:00 0 
00:30 < kanzure> hah
00:30 < kanzure> what?
00:30 < ybit> Aborted
00:30 < kanzure> that's not on the page
00:30  * ybit pets dino
00:30 < kanzure> i guess that was stdio and you pasted stderr here?
00:30 < ybit> yeah i know, thus 00:29 < ybit> oh, well that doesn't tell you anything (crappers.txt)
00:30 < fenn> why is there a stack trace?
00:31 < ybit> yeah
00:31 < kanzure> fenn: do you get a stack trace when you run it?
00:31 < ybit> i figured python web.py &> crappers.txt would grab all the text
00:31 < fenn> hang on i'm still installing crap
00:31 < kanzure> 2&>
00:32  * fenn wonders if laptops die of old age
00:32 < fenn> mine makes interesting noises through the headphones
00:32 < kanzure> not just noise?
00:33 < kanzure> perhaps it's crying
00:33 < kanzure> :(
00:33 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/misc_docs/crappers2.txt
00:33 < fenn> like i can hear a noise every time i press a key, or when it is sending wifi or rapidly changing video on the screen
00:33 < ybit> i get that as well
00:34 < ybit> without headphones, mine sounds a lot like a rocket test
00:35 < ybit> kanzure: so what's the diagnosis doc?
00:35 < kanzure> ybit: is that from trying &2> ?
00:35 < ybit> yeah
00:35 < kanzure> nevermind, i thought that's how you redirect stderr
00:35 < kanzure> maybe it's 2&>
00:35 < fenn>   File "web/web.py", line 244, in <module>
00:35 < fenn>     application = cherrypy.Application(Root(), script_name=None, config=None)
00:35 < ybit> it looked the same, i didn't give it a good stare down though
00:35 < fenn> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Application'
00:35 < ybit> :P
00:35 < kanzure> fenn: where did you get cherrypy from
00:35 < fenn> apt-get install python-cherrypy
00:35 < kanzure> sudo easy_install cherrypy
00:35 < fenn> why?
00:35 < kanzure> or go get the latest development version and python setup.py install
00:36 < ybit> that's what all the cool pythonistas are doing
00:36 < fenn> how about you fix your broken code
00:36 < kanzure> fuck you, cherrypy.Application is totally valid
00:36 < fenn> why is cherrypy 3 not in debian?
00:37 < kanzure> what version is?
00:37 < fenn> d'eaux
00:37 < fenn> i have to get Package python-cherrypy3
00:38 < kanzure> that's the latest release. there you go
00:38 < fenn> hmm it's much larger
00:41 < ybit> is the motion path planner necessary for the most basic of examples, e.g. two brick_thin.stp ontop of each other
00:42 < fenn> well this is a 500 internal server error for some reason: ImportWarning: skdb.geom not loaded. load_CAD not available.
00:42 < ybit> i.e. two identical pieces stacked on each other
00:42 < fenn> what motion path planner?
00:42 < ybit>         assembly planner: #aka assembly sequence planner, assembly operation planne\
00:42 < ybit> r, etc.
00:42 < ybit>             motion path planner:
00:42 < fenn> um. your call
00:43 < ybit> the motion path planner depends on collission detection which is pyODE i'm guessing
00:43 < fenn> i've never written a path planner
00:43 < fenn> i can imagine ways to do it without collision detection tho
00:44 < fenn> just not 100% reliably
00:47 < ybit> recommended path planners?
00:47 < ybit> http://carmen.sourceforge.net/getting_carmen.html seems too large, but maybe a few snippets of code couldn't hurt
00:50 < ybit> http://code.google.com/p/kapal/
00:50 < ybit> "Kapal is an open source path-planning library written in Python. Its intended use is algorithms research and navigation tasks in games and robotics."
00:51 < ybit> Q: Why Python? Isn't Python too slow for path-planning?
00:51 < ybit> A: I couldn't find a full-featured path-planning library for Python, so I decided to write my own. And yes, Python isn't as fast as compiled languages, but if you are already using Python for your game or robot, then you probably don't need the fastest path-planner. If you need a faster (and more complicated) path-planner, check out OOPSMP. 
00:51 < ybit> http://www.kavrakilab.org/OOPSMP/index.html
00:55 < kanzure> fenn: that's probably the unit test
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01:03 < kanzure> if you disable the print statement in skdb, it's no longer an internal 500 error
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01:04 < kanzure> todo: file objects in skdb packages so that /package/lego/data/ and /package/lego/data/yaml does something
01:08 < fenn> i guess /yaml would spit out the raw file?
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09:21 < kanzure> apparently i know someone working here: http://www.rle.mit.edu/avbs/
09:25 < ybit> kanzure: what are you currently working on in skdb?
09:25 < ybit> think i'm going to work on the motion path planner
09:26 < ybit> kapal might be of use
09:27 < ybit> whatever you feel like?
09:27 < ybit> ..atm
09:27 < ybit> kind of like 01:04 < kanzure> todo: file objects in skdb packages so that /package/lego/data/ and /package/lego/data/yaml does something
09:27 < ybit> i'm guessing yes
09:30 < kanzure> well i just woke up, so nothing
09:34 < kanzure> in general just random stuff until things look like they are working
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11:57 < kanzure> where in skdb did we use an implicit resolver with yaml?
11:58 < kanzure> i thought somewhere certain attrs were automagically assumed to be of a certain type.. doe sthis only work with yaml_pattern?
12:05 < katsmeow> Building Microfluidics Devices 
12:05 < katsmeow> Biomedical engineer Michelle Khine uses Shrinky Dinks straight from the toy store to build microfluidic devices. 
12:05 < katsmeow> http://www.technologyreview.com/article/23263/
12:19 < kanzure> didn't we show you that last year?
12:26 < katsmeow> hmm, no date anywhere on that article
12:26 < katsmeow> i have noted that some news sites also do not date pages
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12:44 < kanzure> anywho.. turns out node.value is the key name and value pair for the current node in from_yaml
12:47 < katsmeow> i hadto write code to find x.y.z() as well as y.z.x() and x.z.y()
12:47 < katsmeow> green.apple and apple.green can both be relavant
12:53 < kanzure> http://sensorpedia.org/
12:54 < kanzure> it's not the citation web that matters, it's the tech web
12:56 < katsmeow> welllll,, citation leads to veracity/truth/reliablity factors
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14:37 < kanzure> fenn: any hot tips on implicit path resolvers?
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14:39 < kanzure> yay slashdot comes through for me
14:39 < kanzure> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/29/1955236/How-To-Enter-Equations-Quickly-In-Class?art_pos=21 "how to enter equations quickly in class"
14:51 < kanzure> "Of course, I don't practice what I preach: my own lecture notes are in text files. But that's because to me, "block ramp friction mu=0.2, 1 kg 30deg 1m long, find final v. U=4.9 Wf=1.7 v=2.5" is a complete set of notes for a 20-minute segment of lecture."
14:51 < kanzure> and this: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/30/1713258/Facebook-Awarded-711-Million-In-Anti-Spam-Case?art_pos=3
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14:59 < ybit> re: equations in class: org-mode
14:59 < ybit> i waited two days in the prices are jacked $40 higher
14:59 < ybit> s/in/and
15:03 < kanzure> ah, add_path_resolver
15:08 < ybit> grr, that was a 72 hour sale
15:22 < ybit> ooh, a slightly more deceptive spam site: http://thaiclinic.com/board/cache/store/airline/airline.php?page=southwest-airlines-discount-code.html
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15:35 < ybit> where is mate_connection(connection)
15:35 < ybit> from?
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15:36 < fenn> geom i think
15:37 < ybit> yep
15:49 < kanzure> i can't seem to get add_path_resolver working
15:49 < kanzure> at best i can make this happen: >>> yaml.load("yes: haaaaa\nno: nooooooooo")
15:49 < kanzure> {False: 'nooooooooo', True: 'haaaaa'}
15:49 < kanzure> which is totally useless
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15:58 < kanzure> yaml.add_path_resolver("!some_tag", [], dict) .. ok. i think i got it.
15:58 < kanzure> not sure how to make it relevant only within certain objects though.. for instance,
15:59 < kanzure> let's say you had a list of parts
15:59 < kanzure> and these !part objects are loaded up, and maybe you use !some_derived_part instead
15:59 < kanzure> in different cases the "path" (the [] second parameter to add_path_resolver) is going to be completely different
16:00 < kanzure> but you don't know what that different/unique path is going to be, until you start loading up the objects
16:00 < kanzure> (because you should be able to tell by what type/object they are)
16:03 < kanzure> guess this can be done in from_yaml by using node.value[0] to get the attr name, and use that in the path. gah.
16:04 < kanzure> er, wait that doesn't make sense.
16:21 < katsmeow-afk> ybit is about to be hammered.weatherly
16:21 < fenn> please add a simple example of path resolver to dice.py
16:30 < kanzure> add_path_resolver is meant to be called before load_yaml according to #yaml
16:30 < kanzure> so if you have three different packages, how do you know in advance what their paths are going to be (their attribute names)
16:31 < kanzure> i know that all packages have a "source data" attribute, but i can't add_path_resolver for that because they are deep in the yaml dictionary
16:36 < kanzure> i guess having people type "!filelist" isn't the end of the world. kind of sucks though
16:38 < fenn> what is the point of all this again?
16:38 < kanzure> to load up files without having to type !file
16:38 < fenn> can't you just make a function get_files() that returns a list of file handlers?
16:38 < ybit> holy bejeebus, it looks like a tornado should be forming just by looking outside
16:38 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: 
16:38  * ybit checks the radar
16:38 < kanzure> fenn: the user shouldn't have to call it
16:39 < ybit> nope, just one below me, phew
16:39 < kanzure> ybit: have you tried not living in alabama?
16:39 < ybit> once, i lived in the country capital of the world (aka, nashville)
16:39 < fenn> isnt texas "tornado alley"?
16:39 < kanzure> no
16:39 < ybit> oklahoma?
16:39 < ybit> anywho
16:42 < ybit> why is there a motion path planner in the todo, wasn't collission detection already implemented in paths.py|geom.py?
16:42 < katsmeow-afk> there's 2 tornado alleys
16:43 < kanzure> collision detection doesn't really exist at the moment
16:43 < kanzure> there's a bounding box check that's being used as some glue
16:43 < ybit> what's this BoundingBox class?
16:43 < kanzure> motion path planning was going to be used for checking whether or not your hand could fit into the orifice to tighten a screw
16:43 < kanzure> BoundingBox is something i did and i think fenn deleted it
16:43 < kanzure> he rewrote it, or something
16:44  * ybit considers going purchase an apple pie in the rain
16:44 < ybit> +to
16:44 < ybit> yep, my future obesity calls out
16:44 < ybit> afk for a bit
16:44  * katsmeow-afk already ate the obesity card :-((
16:46 < fenn> i didnt fix your busted bounding box stuff
16:48 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 2d3c1c3 /dice.py: dice.py example of add_path_resolver
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16:49 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 19058e6 /dice.py: cleaned up the inheritance a bit, not repeating everything everywhere now
16:52 < kanzure> fenn: what's the "module" attribute in packages/lego/metadata.yaml about?
16:53 < kanzure> and why is it needed if you say "lego:" under "classes"?
16:53 < kanzure> hey how did we do this without add_path_resolver
16:53 < kanzure> the "classes:" i mean. that's basically the same thing..
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16:54 < kanzure> hm it was done in the post_init_hook of Package
16:54 < kanzure> i guess it wouldn't be terrible to load file handlers in post_init_hook too
17:15 < ybit> where's this how to start a civ. seed presentation? 
17:15  * ybit wants to have a look
17:18 < ybit>                 play:
17:18 < ybit>                     circular peg in a square hole:
17:19 < ybit> future automated sex bots are on their way it seems 
17:19 < ybit>                     positive: a little bit of slop
17:19 < ybit> my mind is in the gutter
17:21 < ybit> part mating works, paths.py shows this, so what's next in getting the ass. planner to work?
17:21  * ybit takes a look at techniques.py
17:23 < kanzure> ODE joints.
17:25  * ybit thought ODE was for mot.path.planner
17:25 < ybit> hmm, i suppose that works though
17:26 < ybit> what the pyyaml path resolver for?
17:26 < ybit> why is the sky gray?
17:50 < kanzure> ybit: it would be cool to be able to mix and match materials and booleano expressions like in skdb/tests/test_parser.py
17:50 < kanzure> right now you can only say stuff like "package1 and package2" as a dependency
17:50 < kanzure> but saying "package1 (where gold>20kg) or package2" is way more useful
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17:51 < kanzure> don't know if that would stick. it would probably be temporary
18:01 < ybit> neato: python-epydoc 
18:07 < kanzure> can't help but notice that skdb packages are loaded twice when you call Package("screw")
18:08 < kanzure> there we go. just cut load time in half for Package("lego") :p
18:08 < kanzure> it was loading the CAD models twice
18:13 < ybit> kanzure: so what's the plan on getting instructions. i'd like to see it in the form of, we need this, then this, then this, and voila we now generate instructions
18:13 < ybit> geom.py confuses me
18:13 < kanzure> geom.py is not for instructions
18:13 < ybit> python-occ is generating its api as we speak
18:13 < ybit> since ffox can't handle it
18:14 < kanzure> they have a zip file to the API btw
18:14 < kanzure> but it's not helpful
18:14 < kanzure> you should just learn to love bpython
18:14 < ybit> i just did python generate_APIREF.py 
18:15 < kanzure> anyway, for instruction generation we need a way to represent parametric actions, to assemble "inverted trees" where nodes correspond to actions and edges to states, and most importantly some way to write instructions without having to be a cunning computational linguist
18:15 < kanzure> one idea is to just screw the parametric action representation idea, and just write in plaintext for all instructions
18:16 < kanzure> fenn and i both think it's a good idea to pursue the dependency resolution aspects first though. like: "you need x, y, and z to do this project" and compare that to the inventory
18:22 < ybit> what file is working toward dep.resolution?
18:22 < kanzure> skdb/core/dep.py
18:22 < kanzure> feel free to completely rewrite that
19:08 < kanzure> looks pretty neat: http://opensource.scitouch.net/indigo/
19:10 < fenn> if you say so
19:13 < kanzure> how do i test my File object?
19:13 < kanzure> there's really nothing special going on other than some logic to close the file handler when it's done, and such
19:15 < fenn> see if the file exists and is readable.. didnt i already write functions for that stuff? package_file etc
19:15 < kanzure> yep
19:16 < kanzure> this is for cherrypy integration
19:16 < kanzure> see we just had lists of file names
19:16 < kanzure> but it would be better to load up the files on demand when we want to read their contents (instead of just keeping a string)
19:16 < fenn> ok, so.. do that? what's the prob?
19:17 < kanzure> unit tests?
19:17 < fenn> ^^
19:17 < kanzure> just wrote it and was doing my post-write-code check
19:17 < fenn> see if the file exists and is readable
19:17 < kanzure> that's a unit test?
19:17 < fenn> well you'd need some example files to really test it
19:18 < fenn> i'm not sure i really care that much though
19:19  * ybit notes to self, probably a bad idea to generate the python api docs while actually using the computer
19:19 < ybit> about the only thing i can do right now is type :-|
19:19 < ybit> 100% memory, physical and swap is being used
19:20 < kanzure> why not download the zip file?
19:20 < kanzure> it's not that useful.. i don't know why you're generating the files
19:20 < ybit> too late
19:20 < ybit> we're in it for the long haul
19:20 < kanzure> srsly you will regret this
19:20 < ybit> fine, i'll quit
19:20 < ybit> it has an hour and fifty mins left
19:21 < kanzure> did you check the docstrings?
19:22 < ybit> no
19:22 < ybit> i just figured the api would be quicker
19:22 < ybit> it's an api ref
19:22 < kanzure> are you wanting to know how to do something in particular
19:22 < ybit> no, i'm just looking at all these .py files you two have created and i keep wondering what this and that do
19:23 < ybit> OCC.gp for instance
19:23 < kanzure> fenn has a file that explains that
19:23 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/
19:23 < kanzure> hm it might be in skdb/doc/
19:24 < kanzure> anyway the documentation on http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/ is as good as you're going to get
19:25 < ybit> do we want the users to select from a list on the site, which machines they have?
19:25 < ybit> or they could manually edit machines_owned.yaml
19:25 < ybit> thanks for the link
19:25 < kanzure> either way, but i was hoping they would type in a preliminary list separated by new lines 
19:25 < fenn> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/occ
19:25 < fenn> look at that first
19:25 < kanzure> and then we would bring up possible packages that sound close to what they named
19:25 < fenn> add acronyms as necessary
19:26 < fenn> also you really ought to be using bpython
19:26 < ybit> ah, very nice
19:26 < kanzure> "is this what you meant? [sears bandpathon] [yes] [no] [go away]"
19:26 < kanzure> bandpathon
19:27 < kanzure> hm.. *bandsaw
19:27 < fenn> sounds painful
19:27 < fenn> ... and this here is my ouroboros machine
19:28  * ybit really needs a mecheng geek gal around tomorrow so we can both do some part-mating roleplaying 
19:28 < ybit> it's halloween after all
19:28 < kanzure> oh noes, i need to go buy candy
19:28 < kanzure> fenn!!
19:29 < fenn> wat
19:29 < kanzure> candies!
19:29 < fenn> the kids arent allowed to eat my candy anyway
19:29 < ybit> it's okay, just hand out the nasa ice cream :P
19:29 < kanzure> screw the kids, it's no secret it's all for me
19:29 < fenn> it has to be sealed and nucleonically sterilized then stamped certified by the surgeon general
19:30 < ybit> btw, i know that was an odd combination, but like i stated, they wouldn't let me cancel since they had already packaged it
19:30 < fenn> custom ordered icecream?
19:30 < ybit> "let's poke ourselves and watch the blood drip while we eat ice cream!"
19:30 < fenn> hmm reminds me of high school
19:31 < ybit> fenn: did you get any or did kanzure eat it all? :P
19:31 < fenn> he ate it all apparently
19:31 < kanzure> wah
19:31 < ybit> :P
19:31 < kanzure> news to me
19:31 < ybit> i have it in the logs 'save some for fenn, they are for both of you'
19:32 < kanzure> wait, what?
19:32 < ybit> did you get the presents from thinkgeek?
19:32 < ybit> well, i just ruined it if you didn't
19:32 < ybit> you should have gotten it just a few days after you recieved the hdd
19:32 < ybit> they were a 'thank you'
19:35 < ybit> i'm taking that as a no, that you hadn't recieved it
19:35 < kanzure> where's my fucking ice cream
19:35 < ybit> have you checked the mailbox yet?
19:36 < kanzure> yesterday
19:36 < fenn> so ybit, based on my analysis of the contents of the two packages, i can only assume you were fucking with whoever is searching through my mail
19:36 < fenn> because they make almost no sense
19:36 < kanzure> the person searching through your mail is me
19:36 < ybit> so wow, you never recieved the package?
19:37 < fenn> there was a hard drive with a bunch of crap that looked like it was whatever was in your pockets
19:37 < fenn> and another package with some bubble wrap and two five dollar bills
19:37 < ybit> right, but you never recieved the thinkgeek stuff :|
19:38 < ybit> i have to run and get pizza, i'll call tg when i get back and complain
19:38 < kanzure> fenn why doesn't data.yaml ever have attribute names for the parts
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20:10 < ybit> i'm going to waste time for about 4 hours watching a movie
20:11 < ybit> first movie i've watched in over a year
20:11 < katsmeow-afk> how was the storms?
20:12 < ybit> minus 'wall-e'
20:12 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: fun
20:12 < katsmeow-afk> they aren't here *yet*
20:12 < katsmeow-afk> lite rain starting soon tho
20:12 < katsmeow-afk> had inflow earlier, i stayed up on the roof adding more tin
20:13 < katsmeow-afk> as slow as it's going, the squall line won't get here till tomorrow
20:13 < ybit> star trek better be good if it wastes a few hours of my time
20:14 < katsmeow-afk> i have not seen any 2009 movies yet
20:15 < ybit> oh, wall-e was sometime last year
20:16 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, saw it
20:16 < genehacker> ybit, are you a fan of the old star trek>
20:16 < katsmeow-afk> local blockbuster hasn't gotten in the latest ST or the Terminator movie
20:16 < ybit> genehacker: i watch it, growing up, a friend and i were big into star wars
20:16 < ybit> local blockbuster?? :P
20:17 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: er, torrent
20:17 < katsmeow-afk> yea, none a one of the puters has a sound transducer device on it
20:17 < ybit> i'm pretty sure buying one will save you money in the long-run
20:17 < katsmeow-afk> i got a terminator.vob and it wouldn't play in anything
20:18 < katsmeow-afk> buying one what?
20:18 < ybit> your sound transducer device :)
20:18 < katsmeow-afk> ah
20:20 < ybit> genehacker: are you a fan of the old star trek?
20:20 < ybit> i've wasted quite a few hours watching them, can't say i'm the biggest fan, but they weren't terrible
20:20 < ybit> the brain from planet arous was funny :P
20:21 < katsmeow-afk> planet arouse?
20:21 < ybit> i watched a few mins of it, kept skipping it just to get the gist of it
20:21 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the%20brain%20from%20planet%20arous&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv
20:22 < ybit> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3149193119416167491
20:22 < katsmeow-afk> and i just told you, no sound devices
20:23 < katsmeow-afk> iceweasel , eh?
20:23 < katsmeow-afk> on a serious note :  if i have ( manyputers - switch - router&internetmodem - puter ) , how can i get puter to see manyputers?
20:26 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: iirc in windows, going to the screen properties via right click on wallpaper background, click properties and it's in one of those menus.. or obviously it's hiding somewhere in control panel
20:26 < katsmeow-afk> how is the switch/router control hiding in the OS settings?
20:27 < genehacker> why'd you watch the brain from planet arous?
20:27 < genehacker> *brains
20:27 < ybit> genehacker: you guys quoted it so i skimmed over it
20:27 < katsmeow-afk> the brains on other planets were alseep?
20:27 < ybit> i laughed
20:27 < ybit> the acting was great :)
20:28 < ybit> and what's with them running straight into a rock like they couldn't see it and pretending that it was the end of the road :P
20:28 < genehacker> oh
20:28 < genehacker> so it's that funny
20:29 < ybit> k, movie is fully downloaded, official waste of time begins now
20:30 < genehacker> uh oh you're illegally downloading a movie MAFIAA IS GOING TO SEND A NINJA HITMAN TEAM TO KILL YOU
20:30 < genehacker> oh noes!
20:34 < genehacker> otherwise enjoy the movie
21:00 < genehacker> kanzure are you actually setting up skdb to have atomically accurate parts?
21:13 < kanzure> someone named "katherine" sent me this: compatibility issues for mechanical system modelling with standard components http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Compatibility%20issues%20for%20mechanical%20system%20modelling%20with%20standard%20components.pdf (pg 7-9 are the interesting ones)
21:14 < kanzure> genehacker: uh if you show me a data representation for atomically accurate parts, it will be included yeah
21:29 < kanzure> fenn: do you have a favorite syntax highlighter? i haven't settled on one. gensho/genkshosos keeps popping up
21:31 < fenn> no, but genshi looks ok
21:31 < kanzure> kinda "default by popularity"
21:32 < fenn> well how many different syntax highlighters do we need
21:32 < kanzure> just one as long as it doesn't suck
21:32 < kanzure> if it can read vim syntax files that would be awesome
21:32 < kanzure> what's the international standard syntax highlighting format
21:32 < fenn> it really annoys me that every text editorr hass its own highlight syntax
21:32 < fenn> "xml" :P
21:33 < kanzure> second result on google is "comprehensive walkthrough of genshi and cherrypy" http://genshi.edgewall.org/wiki/Documentation
21:33 < kanzure> ok i'm sold :p
22:09 < genehacker> I don't think we need atomically accurate parts
22:09 < genehacker> also .pdb would be what you'd use
22:10 < kanzure> protein databank files?
22:15 < genehacker> yeah
22:16 < genehacker> there are .pdb's of drexlershit bearings
22:17 < kanzure> er did drexler lose his cluebone?
22:20 < genehacker> well I don't think some of those nice looking bearings are makeable
22:20 < genehacker> stickyfingers be damned
22:22 < genehacker> time to play the approximate an involute curve game, woo!
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23:23 < ybit> i'm such a softy
23:23 < ybit> it was beautiful
23:24 < ybit> re: syntax highligther, i was looking at http://pygments.org/ the other day because of hatta
23:28 < fenn> ahh marshall brain is my hero: http://marshallbrain.com/star-wars.htm
23:31 < kanzure> i'm afraid to view the page
23:33 < fenn> it's too bad he didn't say anything about the space battles
23:33 < genehacker> seems like he isn't too thrilled about robots
23:34 < fenn> btw on the topic of marshall brain, kanzure: http://marshallbrain.com/dogcost.htm
23:34 < genehacker> err...
23:34 < genehacker> seems like he likes robots
23:36 < fenn> genehacker: if you haven't read his book 'manna' it explains his stance on robots
23:37 < genehacker> no I haven't read his book
23:40 < fenn> well it's a short book
23:41 < fenn> http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm
23:42 < genehacker> all those help buttons look like they could be misused
23:44 < genehacker> does he talk about automatic design at all?
23:44 < fenn> yes sort of, in the second half
23:46 < fenn> god i can't believe the gall of some of these peak oil doomers
23:46 < fenn> "If you're lucky, your descendents will sit around a campfire flaking flint to make tools while telling their children incredible (and unbelievable) myths of indoor plumbing, cars and aeroplanes."
23:46 < fenn> because all the oil's gone! oh noes!
23:47 < genehacker> flint? pah we'll mine the sky scrapers for steel to use in our swords!
23:49 < fenn> yeah no shit, that metal isn't going anywhere (except china)
23:50 < kanzure> ok individual file views are working. time to integrate genshi
23:50 < fenn> did you know they make premium razor blades from old train tracks
23:52 < genehacker> no, but I do know they made a battle ship from some of the remains of the twin towers
23:53 < kanzure> screw it, the cssgeeks can figure out syntax highlighting for me
23:54 < kanzure> should i leave debug messages in the source when i commit?
23:59 < fenn> not with the way your debug messages are worded
23:59 < CIA-23> skdb: kanzure * r 50c4424 / (4 files in 4 dirs): worked on individual file view. /package/lego/data/yaml works now.