--- Day changed Thu Nov 12 2009 00:02 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:03 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt updated. who are all these people from today? blah 00:17 -!- rmond [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:18 < genehacker> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/11/worlds-most-awesome.html 00:19 < genehacker> Thirty years ago the technology in this toy would have cost $100,000. 00:32 < genehacker> whoa 00:42 < ybit> anyone know of a better frequency counter script? i'm getting tired of my alias freq="sort $x | uniq -c | sort -nr | less" 00:50 < ybit> genehacker: i requested your friendship on facebook over a year ago i believe and you still haven't responded :P 01:03 < ybit> freq() { sort "$1" | uniq -c | sort -nr | less; } 01:09 < fenn> this is a neat optical illusion; stare at the cross in the center: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lilac-Chaser.gif 01:09 < fenn> "there is no green dot" 02:05 < ybit> kanzure, how large is http://anonetnfo.brinkster.net/ now or did you ever actually use it? 02:08 < genehacker> todo figure out where the heck a tooling board would go in skdb 02:08 < genehacker> especially a urethane tooling board 02:21 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:26 < fenn> materials 02:29 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:32 < katsmeow-afk> but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilac_chaser has the lilac dot edited out already 03:38 -!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:58 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:24 -!- nchaimov_ is now known as nchaimov 04:38 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:22 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:25 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:18 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:30 -!- rmond [n=strages@76.29.231.141] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:43 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-231-141.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:03 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:10 -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [No route to host] 09:35 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-53-236.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-53-236.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:59 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-43-130.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- ve [n=a@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:22 < genehacker> heh, someone made a fluidically controlled robotic arm for amputees to use 11:48 -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:48 -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:06 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-43-130.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:46 < kanzure> ybit: what's the name of the text speech synthesis library? 12:48 < kanzure> fenn: when are you waking up? 12:58 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- rmond is now known as strages 14:09 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-37-139.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:56 < ybit> kanzure: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=751169 14:56 < ybit> festival 14:57 < ybit> hts are the best voices, though cmu and mbrola have some decent ones 15:06 < ybit> kanzure: did you ever try anoynet? 15:07 < ybit> hod lipson never responded to my source code request, guess i'll have to hit up his co-conspirators 15:08 * ybit just discovered Package: reportbug 15:09 < kanzure> what is reportbug? 15:13 < ybit> a way to report bugs on debian from the cli 15:27 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-249-241.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:34 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit ["No Ping reply in 180 seconds."] 15:34 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:53 < ybit> nih is throwing 12.2 million dollars at a social network site for scientists 16:20 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-249-241.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:34 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@w-dobie-249-241.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@w-dobie-249-241.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:15 < ybit> any decent scholarly papers to read while grubbing? 17:16 < ybit> guess i'll read the black hole paper finally 17:31 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-43-130.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-43-130.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:07 -!- kardan_ [n=kardan@p54BE6B3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:20 < kanzure> 12.2mil for a what now? 18:22 < ybit> probably a flop 18:22 < ybit> http://www.biotechniques.com/news/The-NIHs-12.2M-Facebook-for-researchers/biotechniques-180547.html?utm_source=BioTechniques+Newsletters+%26+e-Alerts&utm_campaign=01b916eaf6-BTNWeekly_09032009&utm_medium=email 18:25 -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE6CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:56 < kanzure> http://ybit.ath.cx/test/test.html 18:57 < ybit> er, don't look! 18:57 < ybit> if you check back every 30 seconds it has a new css problem 19:08 < kanzure> http://drmcninja.com/ 19:09 < kanzure> http://thebricktestament.com/ 19:35 < kanzure> > 19:35 < kanzure> "seed to harvest" by "octavia butler" 19:37 -!- ve [n=a@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:38 -!- ve [n=a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:56 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-43-130.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:59 < kanzure> neat, mit runs a qdb server now? http://qdb.mit.edu/ 21:28 < fenn> this old testament is pretty hilarious 21:28 < fenn> at least when rendered in legos.. 21:29 < genehacker> huh, is skdb outputing the bible or something, or is it that lego bible thing 21:33 < fenn> i'm reading http://thebricktestament.com/king_david/index.html 21:40 < ybit> fenn: you cringed at the website yesterday, what didn't you like? 21:45 -!- oddboy [n=oddboy@adsl-75-51-154-162.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:48 < ybit> hi oddboy 21:49 < kanzure> hi 21:49 < oddboy> hey hey 21:49 < kanzure> todd? 21:49 < ybit> trixie? 21:49 < kanzure> MOM? 21:49 < ybit> your mum's a boy? 21:50 < kanzure> trixie's not? 21:50 < kanzure> er, trixie is? 21:50 < kanzure> hahah 21:50 < ybit> my best friend is a boy named trixie, what are you trying to say? :) 21:50 < kanzure> so if you guys want to infiltrate the 3 day startup mailing list, 21:50 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/3ds-utfall09 21:50 < kanzure> feel free to totally up-promote anything i write 21:51 < kanzure> lest these crazy cell phone people on steroids or "droids" or whatever get to me ;-) 21:51 < oddboy> this is todd 21:51 < kanzure> oh cool :) 21:51 < oddboy> :) 21:51 < kanzure> what's up? 21:51 < kanzure> i'm going to be spending this weekend doing 3daystartup 21:51 < oddboy> i've decided to start hanging out on irc more 21:51 < oddboy> :) 21:51 < kanzure> good 21:51 < oddboy> where at? 21:51 < kanzure> austin technology incubator 21:52 < kanzure> it's like a 100 MBA: 2 programmer ratio going on here 21:52 < oddboy> excellente 21:52 < oddboy> haha 21:52 < oddboy> i've been to those events before 21:52 < ybit> oddboy: anything good ever come out of them? 21:52 < oddboy> it's like "OMG, this person has talent, let's hook them up to a yoke" 21:52 < oddboy> erm 21:52 < oddboy> yes 21:52 < ybit> such as? 21:52 < kanzure> i just wrote up an email proposing the gene synthesis bidding website 21:53 < ybit> nice 21:53 < kanzure> oddboy: have you seen http://ybit.ath.cx/images/omnifab.png 21:53 < oddboy> disillusionment 21:53 < kanzure> or http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/web/test.html 21:53 < oddboy> ? 21:54 < oddboy> well, it's not as bad as disillusionment, but it's enough to make you earn a healthy distrust of MBAs 21:54 < kanzure> since when did you have to earn that 21:54 < kanzure> :) 21:54 < fenn> ybit: mostly the color scheme and huge image based letters 21:54 < ybit> speaking of the test site, kanzure, you wouldn't happen to know offhand how to specify that the ul needs to be a 1column, 3 row table (without tables) would you? 21:54 < kanzure> what units are you talking in boy 21:55 < kanzure> bee arrrr beee 21:56 < oddboy> brb, going on a walk 21:56 < ybit> also see omnifab2.png 21:57 < ybit> i was thinking it would be nice to replace "what, how, start" 21:57 < ybit> the arrow needs to be larger 21:57 < ybit> and Gnusha needs to be fixed at some point 21:58 < fenn> the old testament makes much more sense if you take the perspective that yahweh and friends were extraterrestrial people 22:04 -!- oddboy [n=oddboy@adsl-75-51-154-162.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 22:09 < kanzure> god damnit don't scare todd huffman away 22:10 < kanzure> this guy has .. people :p 22:24 < ybit> a few annoying things... 22:24 < ybit> first: 22:24 < ybit> 23:17:27 up 1 min, 2 users, load average: 1.25, 0.53, 0.19 22:25 < ybit> i had to reboot 22:25 < kanzure> http://www.asmeconferences.org/IDETC2010/CallforPapers.cfm 22:25 < ybit> secondly @font-face doesn't work in uzbl nor firefox (sorry fenn).. however there are javascript options 22:25 < kanzure> http://mason.gmu.edu/~jgero/conferences/dcc10/ 22:26 < kanzure> campbell wants to publish something with me in at least one (or more) of these 22:26 < ybit> and thirdly my webdev minutes are over tonight for the time being since i again am unable to boot into xmonad with a working mouse and keyboard 22:29 < kanzure> it's not @font-face 22:29 < kanzure> it's just "font-family" 22:32 < ybit> had to reboot after attempting to start xorg 22:32 < ybit> it is @font-face, it's a new css feature 22:32 < ybit> check out http://ybit.ath.cx/test/style.css to see it in action! 22:32 < ybit> ..not really 22:32 < ybit> but you can see how you specify it 22:32 < fenn> new css feature... why?? 22:33 < ybit> because _someone_ doesn't like large images 22:33 < ybit> largish* 22:33 < fenn> i must be missing something 22:34 < ybit> you don't like the large text images, so i was going to replace them with actual text with the same font-family 22:34 < kanzure> heh 'text images' sounds like an oxymoron 22:34 < ybit> unless you are referring to svg 22:35 < ybit> that's another option, you can replace the text with svg for webkit and gecko browsers, and use vml for ie 22:35 < ybit> using a little javascript to tie it all together 22:35 < kanzure> you're making this too complicated 22:36 * ybit goes back to introducing xorg to hald 22:37 < kanzure> if they bark at each other, make hald sniff xorg's butt to get them acclimated to each other 22:45 -!- oddboy [n=oddboy@12.157.151.170] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:47 < kanzure> hello oddboy 22:47 < kanzure> did you get a chance to check out http://ybit.ath.cx/images/omnifab.png or http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/web/test.html 22:47 < ybit> stop being mean to me 22:47 < kanzure> ybit: ? 22:47 < ybit> terrible attempt at a joke 22:50 < ybit> computer may be rebooting if you attempt to reach ybit.ath.cx 22:50 < ybit> here goes nothing... 22:51 < ybit> aha! 22:51 < ybit> it works, and i know the problem 22:52 < ybit> the mouse doesn't start working until you press ctl-alt-enter to bring up a prompt 22:52 < ybit> er, Mod-Shift-Enter, just for you xmonad nerds. drazak, have you ever experienced this? 22:52 < ybit> okay, back to work 23:14 < ybit> tim__: you have your reprap problem fixed? 23:31 < tim__> ybit: mostly 23:31 < tim__> It's printing out quite usable Mendel parts as I type 23:31 < tim__> Improving quality with every iteration 23:32 < ybit> exciting, isn't it :) 23:32 < tim__> I still can't figure out how to get Nick's extruder body model to print, but oh well. 23:32 < tim__> It is! 23:32 < tim__> PLA is a wonderful plastic to work with... 23:32 < ybit> so how did you _mostly_ fix the problem, i never saw a response in the thread 23:33 < tim__> I've gotten to VERY high quality parts without nearly as much trouble as Nick - who is printing with ABS. 23:33 < tim__> ybit: I started printing other parts :D 23:33 < ybit> hehe 23:34 < ybit> i start building mine in ~january-feb 23:34 < ybit> right after i get the car 23:34 < ybit> if my budget stays true 23:35 < tim__> I asked this in #reprap, but might do here too... I'd like to have a printable "construction kit" ala Erector or Meccano for making on the RepRap - for all those times when you'd like to throw something together, but don't want to take the multiple hours to CAD a custom part and print it. 23:35 < ybit> kanzure: you wouldnt' happen to know a quick-fix for the buttons on the slideshow on http://ybit.ath.cx/test/test.html ? 23:35 < kanzure> what's wrong with them? 23:36 < ybit> they need to be to the right of the image and in 1 column, three rows 23:36 < kanzure> did you try setting display:inline on the ul element? 23:36 < kanzure> or maybe that's the li elements. hrm. 23:38 < ybit> take a look at http://ybit.ath.cx/test/style.css 23:38 < ybit> is that what you are saying? 23:38 < ybit> or are you talking about stripViewer? 23:38 < kanzure> i only see "float: left" on .stripViewer 23:38 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, i find css fails at the stuff tables is best for,, and you can nest css inside a table, or a table inside css 23:38 < fenn> tim do you make your own PLA filament or buy it in bulk? 23:42 < tim__> fenn: I'm buying in bulk ATM - will be for sale online soon. I have 200lbs coming in a few weeks. Hopefully about a thousand lbs after that, and if that sells, I've already started looking into purchasing my own equipment. 23:42 < fenn> that's pretty hardcore 23:42 < tim__> The majority of the 200lbs is likely to get snapped up by MiRUG members. 23:43 < tim__> I apparently take my hobbies seriously :D 23:45 < tim__> That said, it will be easier for me to get off the ground than most. I've started the MiRUG, which has fostered a LOT of RepRap activity in Michigan, and I'm looking at a 10,000 square foot warehouse space tomorrow morning - in which I would do the plastic extrusion. I am splitting the space in half, and offsetting rent by starting the Grand Rapids area's first Hackerspace in the second half. 23:45 < tim__> :D 23:46 < tim__> I'm an energetic fellow. 23:46 < kanzure> cool someone wants to make us some SiC AFM probe tips 23:46 * katsmeow-afk looks impressed 23:47 < fenn> how many repraps are there in michigan? 40? 23:48 < kanzure> well at a replication cycle of 1 day, by now there should be.. 23:48 < kanzure> 2048? 23:48 < kanzure> O WIATS 23:48 < fenn> it's longer than 1 day 23:48 < tim__> I would guess closer to 20 - based strictly on the one's I've seen show up to our meetings. Only 2 are working ATM - mine and Nick (mccoyn)'s. Devon's is _very_ close. We ordered 25 sets of parts for building extruders, and Nick has been printing extruder parts like mad. I intend to do same. 23:49 < tim__> The plan is to have all of the existing members' repraps working by mid-year 2010. 23:49 < tim__> Hopefully a few extras will get printed between now and then. 23:50 < tim__> kanzure: it takes ~ 2weeks to print all the printed parts. Plus time to purchase non-printed parts, build electronics, program, debug, and assemble. 23:50 < tim__> I'd put a speedy replication at no less than one month. 23:51 < fenn> http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2009/07/hydraraptors-second-child.html puts build time at 3 days working around the clock, so call it a week to print the parts 23:51 < fenn> hydraraptor is somewhat slower than darwin though 23:53 < tim__> "I aimed to print these parts over the course of a week, three batches a day, but the machine had other plans and it actually took me two weeks. I will give more details tomorrow. " 23:53 < tim__> from bottom of page 23:53 < fenn> well it seems like if you're doing this all the time you could work most of the bugs out 23:54 < tim__> believe me, he already has. 23:55 < tim__> It will improve with time, but this was already quite a fast replication. 23:55 < fenn> nophead's a hacker.. he pushes the envelope so it makes sense his machine has bugs 23:58 < tim__> RepStraps are the hardest. There are a lot of assumptions in various places - the firmware, skeinforge, host software. If your machine is not a CupCake, Darwin, or Mendel, you're on your own making the thing work at all - let alone finding settings that work well.